>> The fix is pretty simple: Stop letting wheelchairs bypass the security
>> line. There's little reason that they can't wait in line along with
>> everyone else, and get screened in order.
> I agree. It's extremely annoying to work your way up through a long security
> line, dump all your stuff on the belt and just as you are about to walk through
> the scanner, have someone in a chair cut in front of the line, take 10 minutes
> to get out of the chair, find their bording pass and work their way through.
I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must really upset your moral principles.
In the last episode of <aer96bFbtg...@mid.individual.net>, Tom P
<werot...@freent.dd> said:
> I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security >line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must >really upset your moral principles.
Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone
else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve.
-- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.
<boogabo...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>In the last episode of <aer96bFbtg...@mid.individual.net>, Tom P
><werot...@freent.dd> said:
>> I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security >>line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must >>really upset your moral principles.
>Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone
>else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve.
So short of the idiocies described earlier, what's the solution?
An obvious one is to make all security check-points capable of
checking all passengers, but cost and space requirements rules that
out.
Airports don't have to room for a cubical at every screening point,
never mind the money for the staff to man the special facilities
disabled people need.
There is a Europe (well, EC) wide system for assigning privileges to
people with mobility issues, but from the sound of things this
doesn't extend to the USA, never mind the rest of the world...
>On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:07:34 -0700, DevilsPGD
><boogabo...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>In the last episode of <aer96bFbtg...@mid.individual.net>, Tom P
>><werot...@freent.dd> said:
>>> I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security >>>line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must >>>really upset your moral principles.
>>Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone
>>else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve.
>So short of the idiocies described earlier, what's the solution?
>An obvious one is to make all security check-points capable of
>checking all passengers, but cost and space requirements rules that
>out.
>Airports don't have to room for a cubical at every screening point,
>never mind the money for the staff to man the special facilities
>disabled people need.
>There is a Europe (well, EC) wide system for assigning privileges to
>people with mobility issues, but from the sound of things this
>doesn't extend to the USA, never mind the rest of the world...
Possessing a handicap sticker or other formal documentation, or having a
doctor's note would be a good start. At least in Canada and the US, the
bar to get a handicap parking sticker should be low enough that most
qualifying individuals have one even if they don't drive, and would
absolve one of the risk of fines.
Failing that, you could also require a declaration to be signed that
indicates that, in order to be treated as handicapped and provided with
a wheelchair at the airport, the traveler must also own or rent a
wheelchair, walker or other mobility device of their own, for use in
their day to day lives, and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000
fine for misuse of the system, especially focusing on investigating
individuals who's mobility needs change over the course of the flight;
the so called "miracle flights" where "passengers use wheelchairs to
board but abandon them when their planes land"
-- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.
DevilsPGD wrote:
> the traveler must also own or rent a wheelchair, walker or other
> mobility device of their own, for use in their day to day lives,
> and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000 fine for misuse
> of the system
No.
Throw the people in jail who are responsible for the current violation
of civil and property rights that take place as part of airport
screening.
Throw them, and the politicians who enabled them to construct and
impliment the current systems in jail, and fine them $10k to boot.
Stop bleeting like fucking sheeple and take back our freedoms and
liberties from these security fascists.
> In the last episode of <hsul88hdkvb8npj1v9r51a8bbvcnd4t...@4ax.com>,
> Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> said:
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:07:34 -0700, DevilsPGD
>> <boogabo...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>> In the last episode of <aer96bFbtg...@mid.individual.net>, Tom P
>>> <werot...@freent.dd> said:
>>>> I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security
>>>> line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must
>>>> really upset your moral principles.
>>> Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone
>>> else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve.
>> So short of the idiocies described earlier, what's the solution?
>> An obvious one is to make all security check-points capable of
>> checking all passengers, but cost and space requirements rules that
>> out.
>> Airports don't have to room for a cubical at every screening point,
>> never mind the money for the staff to man the special facilities
>> disabled people need.
>> There is a Europe (well, EC) wide system for assigning privileges to
>> people with mobility issues, but from the sound of things this
>> doesn't extend to the USA, never mind the rest of the world...
> Possessing a handicap sticker or other formal documentation, or having a
> doctor's note would be a good start. At least in Canada and the US, the
> bar to get a handicap parking sticker should be low enough that most
> qualifying individuals have one even if they don't drive, and would
> absolve one of the risk of fines.
> Failing that, you could also require a declaration to be signed that
> indicates that, in order to be treated as handicapped and provided with
> a wheelchair at the airport, the traveler must also own or rent a
> wheelchair, walker or other mobility device of their own, for use in
> their day to day lives, and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000
> fine for misuse of the system, especially focusing on investigating
> individuals who's mobility needs change over the course of the flight;
> the so called "miracle flights" where "passengers use wheelchairs to
> board but abandon them when their planes land"
On a couple of occasions I've booked a wheelchair for my aged father. He's not disabled and does not possess a wheelchair, but he cannot be expected to stand in line for hours on end, and needs to sit down somewhere.
> On a couple of occasions I've booked a wheelchair for my aged father.
> He's not disabled and does not possess a wheelchair, but he cannot be
> expected to stand in line for hours on end, and needs to sit down
> somewhere.
I've done the same for my mother. Lots of walking and hours of standing would have been far too much for her.
<boogabo...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>In the last episode of <hsul88hdkvb8npj1v9r51a8bbvcnd4t...@4ax.com>,
>Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> said:
>>On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:07:34 -0700, DevilsPGD
>><boogabo...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>>In the last episode of <aer96bFbtg...@mid.individual.net>, Tom P
>>><werot...@freent.dd> said:
>>>> I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security >>>>line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must >>>>really upset your moral principles.
>>>Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone
>>>else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve.
>>So short of the idiocies described earlier, what's the solution?
>>An obvious one is to make all security check-points capable of
>>checking all passengers, but cost and space requirements rules that
>>out.
>>Airports don't have to room for a cubical at every screening point,
>>never mind the money for the staff to man the special facilities
>>disabled people need.
>>There is a Europe (well, EC) wide system for assigning privileges to
>>people with mobility issues, but from the sound of things this
>>doesn't extend to the USA, never mind the rest of the world...
>Possessing a handicap sticker or other formal documentation, or having a
>doctor's note would be a good start. At least in Canada and the US, the
>bar to get a handicap parking sticker should be low enough that most
>qualifying individuals have one even if they don't drive, and would
>absolve one of the risk of fines.
But you need a common standard and a common set of rules and a uniform
documentation system of you'd have people more or less buying them
from their doctors.
Can you say 'Socialised medical system'?
In the UK a 'blue badge' can be sold illegally for as much as £1,000
($1,600) in some places.
>Failing that, you could also require a declaration to be signed that
>indicates that, in order to be treated as handicapped and provided with
>a wheelchair at the airport, the traveler must also own or rent a
>wheelchair, walker or other mobility device of their own, for use in
>their day to day lives, and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000
>fine for misuse of the system, especially focusing on investigating
>individuals who's mobility needs change over the course of the flight;
>the so called "miracle flights" where "passengers use wheelchairs to
>board but abandon them when their planes land"
Why?
Some people just aren't fit enough to traverse modern airports under
their own power.
My elderly mother couldn't but she doesn't use a wheelchair in her
normal life, just a walking stick.
She could get a 'doctor's note' for about £20, but why should she?
She's pretty obviously not capable of traversing an airport under her
own steam.
