Kick scRunge OFF The Plane...!!! [WAS: evleth knows better but let's see if he holds an open door for new Year's eve !!!
Gregory Morrow
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So is scRunge going to spend his Reveillon with his jailbird pal
"Piggy"...???
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Best
Greg
> "Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a �crit dans le message de groupe de
> discussion : C75D85E6.1919BF%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
>> On 27/12/09 20:20, in article 4B37B363...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill
>> Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
>> <tribuylt...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Earl Evleth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> the reaction after the fact is close to hysteria. Very delayed
>>>>>> departures and cancelled flights.
>>>>
>>>>> The assumption would be that this might be part of a larger plot,
>>>>> although why they wouldn't all act on concert, a la 9/11, isn't
>>>>> clear.
>>>>
>>>> Your assumption, not mine. I think this guy was not well organized
>>>> enough to be part of anything except what was inside his head.
>>>>
>>> So he used the same tech as the shoe bomber but just came up with
>>> it on his own?
>>
>> The PETN came from more professional people, you don't make that
>> yourself.
>>
>>>> He is a kook, quite a bit like you.
>>>>
>>> Thanks Earl.
>>
>> You are a bit of a kook.
>>
>>>
>>>>>> And of course some political pandering will go on, grist for the
>>>>>> mill of the hysteria mongers. And for certain Congress will
>>>>>> investigate.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Shouldn't they?
>>>>
>>>> It will be pander time. For sure, time to grandstand.
>>>>
>>> They'll probably try to change the subject from the other important
>>> issues, but this is an important issue.
>>
>> Congressional committees can't do this kind of investigation well.
>> It turns into a political football.
>>
>>>
>>>>> This is a big deal, Earl.
>>>>
>>>> Quite a bit smaller than a big deal.
>>>>
>>> Al Qaeda is plainly at it again and Earl doesn't mind.
>>
>> It might be them but a minor operation. We are still not sure
>> who financed the first truck bomb attack on the World Trade
>> Building, it did not have big financing. The big operations,
>> the London transport bombins and the Spanish rail bombings
>> were typically Al Qaeda type operation, well co-ordinated
>> lots of people. The London bombings were claimed by
>> Al Qaeda but were they?
>>
>> Reid had help too, he was using Paris for his e-mail contacts.
>> So he had help too. But who? To make sure an operation succeeds
>> you need several people in the operation. Not loners.
>>>
>>>> He is another Reid perhaps even less since Reid had support
>>>> of some kind, but not much.
>>>>
>>> You think this guy didn't have help? He juts built the bomb without
>>> anyone assisting him but he was a dufus in lighting it?
>>
>> He got the explosives from somebody. But the operation was largely
>> his, he was not talked into it, he is a wanabe.
>>
>>>
>>>> You know, like the cops there is a Keystone variety of terrorists.
>>>>
>>> Most suicide terrorists are of that type.
>> 9/11 was a non-Keystone operation, very professional.
>>
>>>
>>>>> Cost? I'd thought that Reid used acetone peroxide:
>>>>
>>>> Apparently not, several papers mention PETN and the wiki
>>>> on PETN says
>>>>
>>> They do mention TATP, in the bloody cite *I* provided you!
>>
>> The 2002 source?
>>
>> There is lots of mention of TATP, possibly used as the detonating
>> source. But I have seen nothing which is official, these ar all
>> news reports and web speculations. In particular why mix them?
>> The TATP is a finicky explosive, it can go off anytime.
>>
>> Something non-professional about his attempting to detonate. The
>> idea of using a small bomb is to set if off next to the bulk head
>> punching a hole in the side of the plane. He had the bomb
>> effectively between his legs. The 80 grams is not much but enough,
>> in my opinion,
>> to knock a hole in the side of the plane, which would have been
>> disastrous at high altitude. Yet he attempt to set the bomb off
>> was the plane was going into a landing mode. The story is that
>> he was supposed to set the bomb off over US territory, but the flight
>> from Amsterdam was coming in over Canada, only the last few minutes
>> would have been over US territory. He sat next to the window, 19A,
>> and if he had placed the bomb next to the bulkhead he would have
>> succeeded in blowing a large hole. Whether that would have
>> cause the plane to unzip I don't know.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>> Did they make their own nitric acid or did they buy it? This guy
>>> wasn't a chemist, Earl.
>>
>> The PETN is a military explosive, thousands of sources.
>>
>> Both nitroglycerine and PETN can be made from a receipt book.
>> I know how but never tried. One uses a mixture of sulfuric
>> and nitric acids. The alcohols are soluable in these mixtures
>> but once nitrated the nitrated materials come out of solution
>> and form a two phase system. The secret is keeping the mixture
>> very cold (in a container surrounded by ice). PETN is a white
>> solid, and can be isolated by shaking the mixture with
>> an organic liquid, and crystalizing out the PETN, as white
>> crystals. Nitroglycerine is hard to purify. It is colorless
>> and become more dangerous to accidental detonation.
>>
>> The sensitivity is measured by a drop test, the distance a steel
>> ball need to drop on it to set if off. Nitroglycerine will
>> have a cm or 2 sensitivity. If impure it gets more sensitive.
>>
>> I had a lab colleague who lost all the fingers of one hand
>> due to the detonation of a gram of hydrazine perchlorate
>> while is was crystalizing out of solution (crystalizations can
>> have involve heat release). Later on they
>> drop test showed it more sensitive than nitroglycerine,
>> unfortunately a chemist are Aerojet has a pound of the stuff
>> go off in the hood and he was killed. The materials was
>> a candidate for a rocket oxidant (like ammonium perchlorate
>> which is actually used) until these accidents occurred
>> My own experience with explosions was limited to smaller
>> amounts, milligram quantities which still were powerful
>> enough to create a fire ball about a foot wide, fortunately
>> I kept my fingers. It was a nitric acid related reaction.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Runge11
Reveillon rue Gerbillon, we'll try again to obtain an open door, but with
the scrooges living there, I guess they will be posting frenetically on the
NG instead of celebrating.
Meanwhile in Chicago, r�veillon at greg morrow's shack with the usual Bud
Lite...
Duh.
"Gregory Morrow" <wah...@wahwahsun.jp> a �crit dans le message de groupe de
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