Plastic cape jawa
Rebel70
How can you tell the plastic cape is authentic or a repro? Same question
concerning the original rocket firing boba fett. How can you tell they are
the original and not modified?
Chris Fawcett
With the Jawa, compare it to a real one if possible. Check the cape
color really carefully. It should be noticably different from the Ben
cape. The cape should, however be the same thickness and pliability as
the other capes form the SW figures. The arm holes should be rather
snug around the arms and the cape should stop a cm or two from the
bottom of the Jawa's feet.
For the Fett, they'd better have really good documentation and be able
to trace it back to a Kenner employee. Check out these references and
call the people. If you can't trace it, I wouldn't touch it.
Cj
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Chris Fawcett wrote:
>
> Rebel70 wrote:
> >
> > How can you tell the plastic cape is authentic or a repro? Same question
> > concerning the original rocket firing boba fett. How can you tell they are
> > the original and not modified?
>
> With the Jawa, compare it to a real one if possible. Check the cape
> color really carefully. It should be noticably different from the Ben
> cape. The cape should, however be the same thickness and pliability as
> the other capes form the SW figures. The arm holes should be rather
> snug around the arms and the cape should stop a cm or two from the
> bottom of the Jawa's feet.
>
> For the Fett, they'd better have really good documentation and be able
> to trace it back to a Kenner employee. Check out these references and
> call the people. If you can't trace it, I wouldn't touch it.
>
> Cj
The only Rocket Firing Fetts that were made were never painted. The whole figure is
greyish blue with a red missile. Some people have claimed to have seen painted ones but
these are fakes. This info came from Steven Sansweet, the formost knowledgable person
on Star Wars Toys.
Hope this helps
Russ
Eric Ehrbar
russell creekmore wrote:
>This info came from Steven Sansweet, the formost knowledgable person
> on Star Wars Toys.
I wouldn't go that far. Just because he has the money(and the
stupidity) to buy every thing that says "Star Wars" he sees, does not
mean he is the most knowledgable. I'm sure there are others who know
much more than he does.
Eric
Gus Lopez
In article <19970303144...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
I am told there are some very high quality fakes out there now, but I
still haven't seen them. I've seen some of the ones that people claimed
were very good but the cape was much stiffer than the usual vinyl capes.
The best bet is to compare a figure to carded specimen. The originals
have a different color cape than Ben's cape (a common way to fake these is
to cut up a Ben cape). Check that the shape of the cape completely
matches the shape of vinyl cape Jawas. The color of the cape should be
very close to the color of the plastic on the Jawa (Ben's cape has more
red). The texture on both sides of the cape should be different. It is
important to check for this. If the Jawa came from an original
collection, then you're probably okay.
>Same question concerning the original rocket firing boba fett.
>How can you tell they are the original and not modified?
You are not going to stumble across these at shows or in your average
collection, because these were *NEVER* shipped to the public.
There are a couple varieties of rocket-firing Boba Fett prototypes.
Images of all known existing prototypes are shown on my web page (I know
of a few different varieties of authentic ones).
If you see a rocketfett for sale at a show, most likely it's fake.
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In article <331B02...@bellsouth.net>,
russell creekmore <va...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>The only Rocket Firing Fetts that were made were never painted. The whole
>figure is greyish blue with a red missile. Some people have claimed to
>Sansweet, the formost knowledgable person on Star Wars Toys.
>Russ
Actually, there are three known painted J-slot prototypes to rocket firing
Boba Fett. One of these is pictured on my web page. Steve Sansweet owns
one of them (the other two are owned by Brian Rachfal and Tomart
Publications).
Gus Lopez
In article <331AA6...@ix.netcom.com>,
Eric Ehrbar <Eri...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>I wouldn't go that far. Just because he [Steve Sansweet] has the money
>(and the stupidity) to buy every thing that says "Star Wars" he sees, does not
>mean he is the most knowledgable. I'm sure there are others who know
>much more than he does.
Let's see...Steve has written columns for Star Wars Insider, Star Wars
Galaxy Magazine, Star Wars: From Concept to Screen to Collectible, and the
Tomart's Price Guide. He has made appearances on QVC, the Learning
Channel, Personal FX, the Sci-Fi Channel at many conventions, giving
background on Star Wars collecting. Lucasfilm was so impressed with him,
that they hired him full-time. In other words, Steve is not known for
just what he owns.
I think that overall, it is a fair statement to say he's the most
knowledgeable Star Wars collector. Keep in mind that Star Wars collecting
is a huge field and no one person knows all there is to know. There are
people who are experts in areas of collecting. But Steve has been
collecting Star Wars since the beginning, devoting an incredible amount of
energy into finding and researching Star Wars collectibles. He is very
much the authority on Star Wars collecting.
John Wooten
In article <331AA6...@ix.netcom.com>, Eri...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>russell creekmore wrote:
>>This info came from Steven Sansweet, the formost knowledgable person
>> on Star Wars Toys.
>
>mean he is the most knowledgable. I'm sure there are others who know
>much more than he does.
>
Oh yeah...great response. Mr. Sansweet has only been collecting for 20 years
and has one of the largest, if not *the* largest collections of Star Wars
memoribilia in the entire world worth hundreds of thousands of dollars (or
more); basically priceless to any Star Wars fan and has often been consulted
for interviews, authored books and actually offered a job by Lucasfilm last
year to work as a "fan liason". Yeah, that ignorant fool doesn't know
anything about Star Wars collecting, certainly not something as terribly
complicated as how to recognize a plastic cape jawa.
John
..and people wonder why folks like Sansweet don't post here...*sigh*
jgr...@rossby.metr.ou.edu
In article <331AA6...@ix.netcom.com>,
Eri...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> russell creekmore wrote:
> >This info came from Steven Sansweet, the formost knowledgable person
> > on Star Wars Toys.
>
> I wouldn't go that far. Just because he has the money(and the
> stupidity) to buy every thing that says "Star Wars" he sees, does not
> mean he is the most knowledgable. I'm sure there are others who know
> much more than he does.
>
> Eric
Ah yes, it feels good to let all that bitterness and jealousy out,
doesn't it?
Just come out and say it, instead of hiding behind thinly veiled personal
attacks. You're pissed that he has more toys than you.. Poor baby!
Any SW collector that says he's "stupid" is blinded by envy.
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stun...@ols.net
In article <331B02...@bellsouth.net>,
russell creekmore <va...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> The only Rocket Firing Fetts that were made were never painted. The whole
> figure is greyish blue with a red missile. Some people have claimed to
> Sansweet, the formost knowledgable person on Star Wars Toys.
i think you may have misunderstood steve. which also caused mr. erhbar
(sp?) to make a drastic (and rude) comment about steve.
there are in fact some genuine painted rocketfett figures. steve
actually owns one himself. these are the "j-slot" variety. steve may
have been talking about painted "l-slot" type figures. the ones
typically shown as grey first shot prototypes. none of these have been
proven to exist fully painted. many people including myself have made
them like this however.
the painted "j-slot" figures were showcased in action figure digest #20.
check the sw collectors archive for photos and in-depth information.
-chris
Chris Fawcett
Chris Fawcett wrote:
>
> russell creekmore wrote:
> >
> > Chris Fawcett wrote:
>
> > > For the Fett, they'd better have really good documentation and be able
> > > to trace it back to a Kenner employee. Check out these references and
> > > call the people. If you can't trace it, I wouldn't touch it.
> > >
> > > Cj
> >
> > greyish blue with a red missile. Some people have claimed to have seen painted ones but
> > these are fakes. This info came from Steven Sansweet, the formost knowledgable person
> > on Star Wars Toys.
> > Russ
>
> This is not true. About a year ago (?) some legitimate painted versions
> showed up from a Kenner employee. They are the L-slot variations.
> These are real rocket Fetts and they are painted. I believe there are
> only five in existence.
>
> Cj
Oops.sorry about this. I meant to say J-slot variations.
Chris Fawcett
russell creekmore wrote:
>
> Chris Fawcett wrote:
> > For the Fett, they'd better have really good documentation and be able
> > to trace it back to a Kenner employee. Check out these references and
> > call the people. If you can't trace it, I wouldn't touch it.
> >
> > Cj
>
> The only Rocket Firing Fetts that were made were never painted. The whole figure is
> greyish blue with a red missile. Some people have claimed to have seen painted ones but
> these are fakes. This info came from Steven Sansweet, the formost knowledgable person
> on Star Wars Toys.
> Hope this helps
> Russ
This is not true. About a year ago (?) some legitimate painted versions
showed up from a Kenner employee. They are the L-slot variations.
These are real rocket Fetts and they are painted. I believe there are
only five in existence.
Cj
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jgr...@rossby.metr.ou.edu wrote:
>
> In article <331AA6...@ix.netcom.com>,
> Eri...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> >
> > russell creekmore wrote:
> > > on Star Wars Toys.
> >
> > stupidity) to buy every thing that says "Star Wars" he sees, does not
> > mean he is the most knowledgable. I'm sure there are others who know
> > much more than he does.
> >
> > Eric
>
> Ah yes, it feels good to let all that bitterness and jealousy out,
> doesn't it?
>
> Just come out and say it, instead of hiding behind thinly veiled personal
> attacks. You're pissed that he has more toys than you.. Poor baby!
>
> Any SW collector that says he's "stupid" is blinded by envy.
>
> Justin G.
>
Eric, Sansweet is not just some guy who has a lot of money. Obviously
you have not checkout his books or you would know that he has researched
as well as collected for almost 20 years. And he is now working for
Lucasfilm in product(toys) relations. Not that he is god or anything,
but he has a hell of a better collection than any of use. Except maybe
Lucas himself.
Russ
Lrdsith
In article <5ffhgg$c...@nntp5.u.washington.edu>, fe...@u.washington.edu (Gus
Lopez) wrote:
I have a quick question about the Rocket Fett. Is the broken fingered
'L-slot' Fett worth more, because it was the one picture in Sansweet's big
black SW book? It was owned by the other guy, the one who is the editor of
Tomart's.
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In article <331AA6...@ix.netcom.com>,
Eric Ehrbar <Eri...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>I wouldn't go that far. Just because he [Steve Sansweet] has the money
>mean he is the most knowledgable. I'm sure there are others who know
>much more than he does.
Ahhhh yes, it feels good to let all that bitterness and jealousy out,
doesn't it?
Why don't you just come out and say it, you're pissed off because he has
more toys than you, poor baby! Yeah, he's a real idiot. I mean, it
just got him a job with Lucasfilm, allowed him to author several books
and regular columns in various magazines, and tour the country.
Anybody who says he's "stupid" is obviously blinded by envy.
Justin G.
Chris Fawcett
Lrdsith wrote:
> I have a quick question about the Rocket Fett. Is the broken fingered
> 'L-slot' Fett worth more, because it was the one picture in Sansweet's big
> black SW book? It was owned by the other guy, the one who is the editor of
> Tomart's.
I really don't think it matters. If anything the painted version might
be worth a little more just because there's one a couple of them and
maybe 20 of the others. No one's really going to quibble about Rocket
Fett variations, however.
Wait.. I think mine has two circles on it's hand!!! Oh... nevermind,
that's that other Fett. :)
Eric Ehrbar
I started out typing a REALLY obnoxious response, but I won't waste
your time with more crap.
Sure I'm jealous. Aren't we all? Would any of you turn down THAT
collection?
My point isnt to say that Sansweet isnt a good authority, but I bet
there IS someone else who knows more about what already is out. Maybe
he doesn't have inside info like Sansweet. Maybe he's just a
collector. I'm sure nobody owns as much as Sansweet either. But that
wasn't what I'm arguing. I'm sure Sansweet did A LOT of work, but I
bet others did too. I think there is someone who has read EVERYTHING,
done their own research too, goes to all the shows, examined a pair of
Underoos with a microscope :). I don't know.
My theory is that no matter who you see, you can always find someone
better.
I guarantee you that there is a better basketball player than Jordan,
better hockey player than Gretzky, better guitarist than Hendrix or
Stevie Ray Vaughn. WE JUST DON"T KNOW ABOUT THEM! Maybe they don't
want to go public, maybe they can't. Maybe they never tried! But there
is someone out there who knows more, and he doesnt need to own a
prototype Fett or go on TV or write a book to do it.
Lets look at this example...
Episodes 1-3 are out in a few years. I win the lottery. I buy
EVERYTHING and ANYTHING that says SW. I may write a book with pictures
of everything I own, I go on QVC to talk about what I own, etc. I am
not the foremost knowledgable collector. I would be sure that someone
else went through just as much work as i did, maybe more. And i am
sure that someone else went through as much work as Sansweet.
Thanks for the cool pics Gus!
Eric
stun...@ols.net
In article <lrdsith-0403...@d84.nnb.interaccess.com>,
lrd...@interaccess.com (Lrdsith) wrote:
>
> > If you see a rocketfett for sale at a show, most likely it's fake.
>
> 'L-slot' Fett worth more, because it was the one picture in Sansweet's big
> black SW book? It was owned by the other guy, the one who is the editor of
> Tomart's.
not any more. they sold it. tom tumbusch sr. (tomart) said that their
old fett didn't have cut or broken fingers. it was actually molded that
way. in molding terminology it's called a "non-fill" meaning that not
enough plastic was shot into the arm mold. since the fingers were the
last part of the arm to fill with plastic they were the part that didn't
get their fair share of material. only the arms on that fett were that
way. to my knowledge that's the only one out there like that.
just another odd bit of info for you guys...
as far as it being worth more i would say 'no' since it's flawed.
interesting, but still flawed. then again with only about 3 dozen fetts
around you can't really be that picky can you? :^)
-chris
Matthew Lee
Eric Ehrbar <Eri...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>I started out typing a REALLY obnoxious response, but I won't waste
>your time with more crap.
>Sure I'm jealous. Aren't we all? Would any of you turn down THAT
>collection?
>My point isnt to say that Sansweet isnt a good authority, but I bet
>there IS someone else who knows more about what already is out. Maybe
>he doesn't have inside info like Sansweet. Maybe he's just a
>collector. I'm sure nobody owns as much as Sansweet either. But that
>wasn't what I'm arguing. I'm sure Sansweet did A LOT of work, but I
>bet others did too. I think there is someone who has read EVERYTHING,
>done their own research too, goes to all the shows, examined a pair of
>Underoos with a microscope :). I don't know.
>My theory is that no matter who you see, you can always find someone
>better.
>I guarantee you that there is a better basketball player than Jordan,
>better hockey player than Gretzky, better guitarist than Hendrix or
>Stevie Ray Vaughn. WE JUST DON"T KNOW ABOUT THEM! Maybe they don't
>want to go public, maybe they can't. Maybe they never tried! But there
>is someone out there who knows more, and he doesnt need to own a
>prototype Fett or go on TV or write a book to do it.
This is crap. Jordan is the best there ever was. Your argument is based
on a piece of dog turd. Actually, it is pathetic. Even better is, even if
there was someone better than Jordan, it has NOTHING to do with Sansweet.
This argumentative style is called a RED HERRING. The only person who could
possibly know more than SS is Gus or one of the guys who looks after THE page,
and Gus believes (from his post) that SS is the most knowledgable out there.
Of course, there may be a person who knows more about SW Taco Bell toys, or
even SW plush Chewbaccas, but overall, SS is the MAN.
>Lets look at this example...
>Episodes 1-3 are out in a few years. I win the lottery. I buy
>EVERYTHING and ANYTHING that says SW. I may write a book with pictures
>of everything I own, I go on QVC to talk about what I own, etc. I am
>not the foremost knowledgable collector. I would be sure that someone
>else went through just as much work as i did, maybe more. And i am
>sure that someone else went through as much work as Sansweet.
>Thanks for the cool pics Gus!
>Eric
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Matthew Lee wrote:
> This is crap. Jordan is the best there ever was. Your argument is based
> on a piece of dog turd. Actually, it is pathetic. Even better is, even if
> there was someone better than Jordan, it has NOTHING to do with Sansweet.
> This argumentative style is called a RED HERRING.
Actually, my argument is based on philosophical opinion. You can make
fun of it if you want, but you will find that you cannot disprove it.
For you cannot disprove what is not known. I do not attempt to prove
that my "more informed person" exists, only to SUGGEST his/her
existence. Because it seems that everyone is resigned to Sansweet as
the diety of SW collecting. So we might as well wait for Sansweet's
annual book to get released to learn more, because if he doesn't know
it, well... it must not be important.
I think that there is someone better than Jordan, maybe he lives in
Africa or Spain, who knows! But there is someone alive that has more
potential(given by his genetic makeup) than Jordan. But maybe he never
touched a basketball in his life. He still is better than Jordan, if
given the chance.
Jordan may be the greatest "PRO" player ever. But according to my
theory there is someone greater, who will probably never be
discovered.
The same goes to SW collecting, there is a more knowledgable person
than Sansweet, but he/she doesnt give a crap about letting us know. Or
maybe they don't have the means of producing a book. Just because
Sansweet "came out" with the info, doesnt mean he is the "greatest
source" of the info.
Eric
Gus Lopez
In article <lrdsith-0403...@d84.nnb.interaccess.com>,
Lrdsith <lrd...@interaccess.com> wrote:
>I have a quick question about the Rocket Fett. Is the broken fingered
>'L-slot' Fett worth more, because it was the one picture in Sansweet's big
>black SW book? It was owned by the other guy, the one who is the editor of
>Tomart's.
In my book, it is worth less because it's damaged (well actually, the
plastic didn't fill the entire mold). Tomart sold this piece, by the way.
It's no longer in their possession.
stun...@ols.net
In article <331CB9...@ix.netcom.com>,
Eri...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> For you cannot disprove what is not known. I do not attempt to prove
> that my "more informed person" exists, only to SUGGEST his/her
> existence. Because it seems that everyone is resigned to Sansweet as
suggest their *possible* existence.
> the diety of SW collecting. So we might as well wait for Sansweet's
> annual book to get released to learn more, because if he doesn't know
> it, well... it must not be important.
just because stuff doesn't get printed doesn't mean it's not important.
look at all the crap in the magazines these days that gets printed but
doesn't need to! :^)
> The same goes to SW collecting, there is a more knowledgable person
> than Sansweet, but he/she doesnt give a crap about letting us know. Or
ok, say there could be one. then by your reasoning there would have to
be a person better than even this new person. you said so yourself that
no matter how good somebody is there has to be someone better. see the
flaw? it's a perpetual cycle. it has to end somewhere.
like that painting that shows an artist painting a picture of an artist
painting a picture of an artist painting a picture, etc....
> maybe they don't have the means of producing a book. Just because
> Sansweet "came out" with the info, doesnt mean he is the "greatest
> source" of the info.
the truth is that steve's collection is an attempt to assemble everything
related to sw. that goal has given him the chance to see and hear things
of all sorts. true there are people that specialize in certain things
that probably know more about them than steve, but on the whole when you
look at the entire range of sw items steve is a pretty damn good resource
himself. i think i am pretty good with the sw stuff i focus on, but
steve collects stuff that i have absolutely zero interest in. he
collects stuff lots of different people have zero interest in. and just
looking for and buying the stuff can make you knowledgeable about the
subject. forget the money issue, i know steve is a special case of
having all he funds and opportunities. it's good though to have somebody
like steve in the hobby. and his collecting and interest has afforded
him luxuries like books and finally employment with lucasfilm. likewise
these luxuries have trickled down to collectors in general. and i
appreciate it.
so pound for pound it would be really hard to match steve's knowledge. i
seriously doubt that there is another collector out there with as much
knowledge as steve. he has more than knowledge about products, he has
info from the actors, producers, crew, etc for the films not to mention
his contacts at kenner... all the props he has and the people who
specialize in certain areas of collecting have helped him out. he really
is a powerhouse of general sw collecting info.
the thing is, he's interested and wants and example of *everything* sw.
not many people can say that. and because he has that interest he has a
wider knowledge base than anybody else.
James Y.C. Sze
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He'd apologizes to anyone who has not been able to reach him this past
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