ahaha...rabid and insane fed haters had everything lined up to fire
away, yet were shut the fuck up once again by fed...good times, good
times....
Wawrinka is smart. A tennis match is not worth getting a knife in the
back
nah, that was rabid and insane graf fans...you know the one that got
sued for tax evasion...
I do not believe that you rabid Federer fans are much different.
Steffi was never sued for tax evasion.
Max
You can find a lot of information on this on the Internet. Concentrate
only on those sources that can be held liable for what they print.
You, I and rabid Federer fans can say anything. We have no legal
liability for what we say. It is that simple.
well...it was her father who went to jail for not paying taxes on HER
earnings, so...
She was never charged and never convicted for tax evasion.
Because there never was a serious hint that she might have known which
of her world-wide earnings was taxable in Germany and which not.
So I'm correct - technically and otherwise.
Max
well if she used some kind of outside company to do her taxes, and then
was discovered that they didnt pay it, she could go after then...but
this way is fishy as hell...
anyways, so how many slams would graf had if monica never got stabbed,
and she had to go to jail instead of her father?
She used her dad - who was her manager - and his tax advisor.
And they founded an illegal tax shelter company in the Netherlands to
hide money from German tax authorities.
> and then
> was discovered that they didnt pay it, she could go after then...
What do you mean "go after them"?
At which point?
> but
> this way is fishy as hell...
>
> anyways, so how many slams would graf had if monica never got stabbed,
> and she had to go to jail instead of her father?
Why should she have gone to jail?
Max
it is her dad...do you really think she didnt know and didnt approve?
>
>> and then
>> was discovered that they didnt pay it, she could go after then...
>
> What do you mean "go after them"?
> At which point?
>
well if they had made mistake or tried to rip her off, which she had no
knowledge of
>> but
>> this way is fishy as hell...
>>
>> anyways, so how many slams would graf had if monica never got stabbed,
>> and she had to go to jail instead of her father?
>
> Why should she have gone to jail?
>
tax evasion...
truly insane Fan calling others insane...not bad...like that guy driving
the wrong direction on the highway :)
she's as innocent as Tony Bliar who didn't know that Cherri (HIS WIFE)
had illegally bought 2 flats and made a big profit from them, LOL
I base my analysis of your insanity on your out of control rage and
responses to relatively mild comments concerning Federer you worship.
Hello? She was never charged with anthing. A) She was never charged
with the knife incident although she was the front for hiring Parsch!
B) She was never charged with Tax Evasion though she was the front for
hiring her dad to do her accounting. :)
my reactions are also relatively mild no?
so what if she wasnt charged...she still directly benefited from the
after-effects...but topic is tax-evasion which her dad went to jail for,
and i think she knew all about it, but dad had to sacrifice, since he
was probably the mastermind behind i
but then again its funny how people are jumping all over me on this mild
subject...insane much? :D
We do not know what Graf knew and as I said before we are free to
accuse without any proof. That is what many people do on these lists.
However, if you were the owner of a newspaper in Germany, you would
not dare make these same accusations because Graf’s attorneys would
make you pay dearly. I am not as versed in German and European law as
in US law but I believe that in some European countries you could even
go to jail for making libelous accusations. It is a lot safer in the
US where only your money, not your freedom is at stake.
When I say, “I do not believe that Graf did not know or suspect
anything”I am only expressing a belief without having any facts to
support it. It is probably a safe thing to say in Europe as well as in
the US.
> >
> > She was never charged and never convicted for tax evasion.
> > Because there never was a serious hint that she might have known
> > which
> > of her world-wide earnings was taxable in Germany and which not.
> > So I'm correct - technically and otherwise.
> >
>
> well if she used some kind of outside company to do her taxes, and
> then was discovered that they didnt pay it, she could go after
> then...but this way is fishy as hell...
>
I think the general consensus is that Graf was innocent. She was very
young - 16, 17 - when she began winning big, and it was natural enough for
her father to manage her finances as well as her career in general. And
like a lot of those situations they simply went on that way until
something went wrong - which was the accusations of tax evasion. At that
point, Graf engaged a big accounting firm, I think PriceWaterhouse, to go
through everything.
The point was that Peter Graf had developed lines of income - chiefly
appearance fees, which were illegal on the WTA tour at the time - that
Graf didn't even know about. And I assume if he was managing her finances
he was probably also investing her money and she very likely had little
idea in what or what kind of return she was getting.
This kind of arrangement isn't at all unusual, simply because the girls
are so young. Chris Evert had her father managing her finances for years.
And you think Jennifer Capriati had any input into her finances when she
was 13 and signed to all those million-dollar contracts?
Note that Germany also went after Becker, claiming he owed money for years
in which he claimed residence in Monaco. Becker was treated far more
harshly than Graf, being held personally responsible, so it's absurd to
think they were treatly Graf gently because she was a star.
wg
...
> I believe that you are mostly responsible for most of the ugly and
> nasty letters (some of them unfortunately were mine) directed at Graf. ...
Thanks.
I'll forward this to Steffi's lawyers.
Max
What is a "parsch", dickhead?
Max
IMO, Seles is far more likely to be criminal than Steffi.
Many people believe that Seles herself or her clan paid Parche so she
could "milk this sucker-dry" (sue the tournament, sue the German
tennis federation, write several books). She obviously knew that
Steffi was coming closer again (eg. WTA rankings), that she could not
prevent herself from gaining weight etc.
So it was a nicely calculated attempt to become even more famous.
What didn't work out so well was her return.
She certainly thought a return right after Steffi's tax scandal ordeal
started would be a smart move.
But Steffi was too good.
She was more mature than 5 years earlier and so Seles couldn't profit
from this like she had from the Graf Blackmail Scandal of 1990/92.
Max
Why would she be so dumb?
She could have moved to Monaco if she wanted to pay far less taxes.
She is perhaps the most honest person ever to play top tennis.
If it had been Navratilova, Seles or the Williams sisters it might
have been different.
But Steffi???
>
> >> and then
> >> was discovered that they didnt pay it, she could go after then...
>
> > What do you mean "go after them"?
> > At which point?
>
> well if they had made mistake or tried to rip her off, which she had no
> knowledge of ...
Do you even know how Peter Graf's tax scheme was supposed to work?
Or do have any idea how and when someone who lives partly in Germany
and partly in the US and who travels all around the world to play
tennis, who gets endorsement money from many international companies,
who has many contracts (even with her own companies) has to pay taxes?
Would you tell us exactly what and when Steffi did something wrong,
intentionally?
Steffi's only mistake was to let her dad, an alcoholic, and his shady
tax advisor (a minion) do her taxes and not hire a well-known tax
specialist herself. Well, she was 17 years old when Peter Graf
implemented this complicated tax scheme. There is not a shred of
evidence that Steffi knew what was going on.
But I'm sure that young Seles and Willies understand their taxes ...
Max
Actually you are not.
Slander is a criminal offence in most civilised countries, at least in
Germany.
Maybe not in Iran or China or wherever you are from.
Max
Your the only dickhead CUNT I know!
He's utterly fixated on Steffi Graf to the extent that he needs
psychological help, for sure.
> I think the general consensus is that Graf was innocent. She was
> very young - 16, 17 - when she began winning big, and it was
> natural enough for her father to manage her finances as well as
> her career in general. And like a lot of those situations they
> simply went on that way until something went wrong - which was
> the accusations of tax evasion. At that point, Graf engaged a
> big accounting firm, I think PriceWaterhouse, to go through
> everything.
>
> The point was that Peter Graf had developed lines of income -
> chiefly appearance fees, which were illegal on the WTA tour at
> the time - that Graf didn't even know about. And I assume if he
> was managing her finances he was probably also investing her
> money and she very likely had little idea in what or what kind
> of return she was getting.
>
> This kind of arrangement isn't at all unusual, simply because
> the girls are so young.
Yup. That stuff is obvious to me, and I am mostly just a light
fan/spectator. I suppose that stuff applies to some of the guys
too. Not long ago, I remember Andy Roddick talking about how
difficult the financial success was to manage. That they can
remain focused on tennis just amazes me, and I suppose that
applies double for Stephanie Graf.
Anyway... good luck and have fun.
I'm no Steffi Graf apologist, but I don't think the tax situation with
her and her dad can be analogized to husband-and-wife Tony and Cherri
Blair. SGraf was basically a kid, so while one might expect Tony to be
aware of his wife's financial shenanigans I don't think it's fair to say
that young Steffi should have been likewise aware of her dad's financial
shenanigans.
or Israel or wherever you are from...
LOL!
Because I call people who say that Steffi was behind the Seles
stabbing "dickhead"?
YOU need help, bastard!
Max
Stefanie, not "Stephanie".
But why not call her "Steffi"?
> Anyway... good luck and have fun.
Max
He quieted down some but it appears that his insanity is coming back.
Maybe he ran away from his handlers and off his medication. At one
time, he Graf stalking was so bad that I was concerned that his Graf
mania was turning into fatal attraction and even thought about writing
to write Agassi and warn him about this nut case.
I am convinced that this lunatic provokes most of the nastiest posts
about Graf. Does this moron think that he is defending Graf? Only his
shrink knows
You seem to like writing to the Agassi family ...
Max
--
"I believe that you are mostly responsible for most of the ugly and
nasty letters (some of them unfortunately were mine) directed at Graf.
"
("Fan" on his Steffi hating, r.s.t., October 23rd, 2010)
And you need to go ahead and end your life you fuckin prick!
> ... Leave Graf and her family alone. ....
... says someone who has sent "several ugly and nasty letters" to
Steffi Graf.
Nice.
Tasting your own medicine.
I never start these things, never.
But when some Selesian asshole says that Steffi knew of the tax
evasion or that she was behind the Seles stabbing this asshole gets
what he deserves.
Live with it!
Or write a nasty and ugly letter to Steffi.
As usual.
WIKIPEDIA:
1993
Monica Seles beat Graf in three sets in the final of the Australian
Open. The burgeoning rivalry between them was then cut short. During a
quarterfinal match between Seles and Magdalena Maleeva in Hamburg,
Seles was stabbed between the shoulder blades by a mentally ill German
fan of Graf, Günter Parche. He claimed that he committed the attack to
help Graf reclaim the World No. 1 ranking. More than two years elapsed
before Seles competed again.
He is a moron
Yes, writing several ugly and nasty letters to Graf is indeed moronic.
We should warn the Agassi family because this hate could turn violent
easily.
I wonder what caused this relentless hate those losers like "Fan" have
against Steffi. Maybe because she is all what he isn't? Successful,
beautiful, intelligent, well-liked?
In your sick mind you are overestimating me by far.
> Leave Graf and her family alone.
Says who?
The person who sent several nasty and ugly letters to Graf?
> My concern is how far a demented person such as you would go to get
> Graf to notice his efforts on her behalf.
Hopefully Graf doesn't notice these nasty and ugly things you and
your
comrades say about her publicly.
> Without proper and regular
> medication,
You seem to know a lot about "proper medication" for lunatics.
Wonder why ...
> you could turn into a danger to Graf and her family.
I would watch more those people who sent nasty and ugly letters to
Steffi.
Like this "Fan" dude in rst.
> If I were your shrink, I would forbid you to read or write anything about Graf as part of your treatment.
Writing about Graf is fun because you are always on the winners'
side.
> Writing about Graf is fun because you are always on the winners'
> side.
>
Max fits the clinical profile of abuser/defender. Max sets himself up
as Graf’s defender and provokes others with his outlandish claims and
attacks on Graf’s main rival hoping to solicit some nasty responses
against Graf so that he could defend her. Unfortunately, Max’s sick
mind is not able to comprehend that most of the nasty attacks he
imagines to defend Graf from is the result of his provocation. Max,
you twisted Graf stalker, leave Graf and her family alone.
My concern is how far a demented person such as Max would go to get
Graf to notice his efforts on her behalf. Without proper and regular
medication, Max could turn into a danger to Graf and her family. If I
were his shrink, I would forbid him to read or write anything about
Graf as part of his treatment.
> Max,
> you twisted Graf stalker, leave Graf and her family alone. ...
... says someone who admitted that he sent "nasty and ugly letters" to
Graf ...
We should warn the Agassi family!
"I believe that you are mostly responsible for most of the ugly and
nasty letters (some of them unfortunately were mine) directed at
Graf."
("Fan" on his Steffi hating, r.s.t., October 23rd, 2010)
Max