Prediction- if Federer wins the YEC again this year

[only human]

Our US tennis announcers are going to say yet again he won because its a
dead bouncing court that heavily favors Federer's game more then anyone
else. the comments were just loony last year. the announcers made it
sound like it was unfair because Federer could play so well on the
London indoor court. i never in my life ever heard any tennis announcer
bitch and moan because a player is playing so well on any surface until
Federer came along. its crazy that comments like that are still being
made even in this stage of Fed's career. tennis announcers are suppose
to praise a player when he or she is playing really well. not make it
sound like it shouldn't be happening. crazy!

[Court_1]

Tennis commentators are up and down with their comments about players
all of the time. It is their job to build up a hot player and downplay
a player who has been around a long time and has already won it all.

I don't think Federer will win Basel. I think it will be Djokovic or
maybe Murray but we shall see. Maybe Federer can keep up some
consistent play for this tournament and it is best 2 out of three and
not 3 of 5 so he has a better shot here perhaps.

[only human]

Wow Court_1 your not even picking him to win on his home turf? you know
the crowd will be nuts for Federer there. that alone is a factor in
Federer winning. you really must think Federer is really badly past his
best if you don't think he can even win his home tournament. Joker is
just a flash in the pan. watch how fast the pressure gets to him.

[felangey]

I'm not sure who is gonna come out hot in Basel. Fed and Djoke coming off a
long break....Murray will fancy it...who knows.

I am picking Fed to take London again though.

[Booger]

They say the same thing about Nadal during the FO. Nothing to write
about, tennis is unique because of its different surfaces.

[reilloc]

I had my use of figure of speech questioned a couple of weeks ago when I
characterized the chest-thumping, ethnic cleanser as a flash in the pan.
Interestingly, is was doubted by non-native English speakers and certain
self-appointed Tier this-or-that blowhards but he's got all-time-great
written all over him like one of my cats has "Ph.D." on her flank.

LNC

[Patrick Kehoe]

A sentiment running counter to the RST theorm of 'all surfaces play
the same today' ie there's no appreciable difference from court to
court on the ATP Tour now...

P

[Patrick Kehoe]

You haven't heard? The rst Tennis and Biblical Scholastic Society
(TBSS) says that all surfaces play the same now...

P

[Shakes]

On 2011-10-30 22:41:00 -0700, Patrick Kehoe said:

> On Oct 30, 6:11 pm, surfer...@webtv.net (only human) wrote:
>> Our US tennis announcers are going to say yet again he won because its a
>> dead bouncing court that heavily favors Federer's game more then anyone
>> else. the comments were just loony last year. the announcers made it
>> sound like it was unfair because Federer could play so well on the
>> London indoor court. i never in my life ever heard any tennis announcer
>> bitch and moan because a player is playing so well on any surface until
>> Federer came along. its crazy that comments like that are still being
>> made even in this stage of Fed's career. tennis announcers are suppose
>> to praise a player when he or she is playing really well. not make it
>> sound like it shouldn't be happening. crazy!
>

> A sentiment running counter to the RST theorm of 'all surfaces play
> the same today' ie there's no appreciable difference from court to
> court on the ATP Tour now...
>
> P

Hey Patrick, since I usually dwell on that theory, I'll take the bait
here. Let's keep aside for a moment about which is better, since that
is subjective.

Firstly, relatively speaking, there is definitely lesser difference in
the extremeties of the surfaces today. The Wim grass today is firmer
with truer bounces, carpet has all but vanished etc.

The second aspect is the predominant playing style specific to a
surface or surfaces.

These two, together, create the variety that I speak about when
comparing the gap between the surfaces.

If you take the same playing style and put them across multiple
surfaces, the gap to be bridged between the two surfaces is not as
extreme as playing two different playing styles on the same two
surfaces.

[TennisGuy]

On Oct 31, 2:36 pm, Shakes <kvcsh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > A sentiment running counter to the RST theorm of 'all surfaces play
> > the same today' ie there's no appreciable difference from court to
> > court on the ATP Tour now...
>
> > P
>
> Hey Patrick, since I usually dwell on that theory, I'll take the bait
> here. Let's keep aside for a moment about which is better, since that
> is subjective.

.....

>
> If you take the same playing style and put them across multiple
> surfaces, the gap to be bridged between the two surfaces is not as
> extreme as playing two different playing styles on the same two
> surfaces.

Don't worry Shakes, any truly objective fan will agree with your
sentiments.
It seems to me that Patrick simply wanted to wear two hats and
temporarily sit on the fence with his comment.
If you probe him a bit more I think he will concede that the surfaces,
by and large are much closer today than they ever have been.

[Court_1]

I don't think I can ever pick Roger to safely win any tournament in
the future, even one on his home turf. He has just been too
inconsistent when it has mattered most for the past year and a half.
Believe me, I hope I am wrong in this instance and he wins it.

Re Djokovic, I agree with you that he will likely never be a tennis
"great" like Roger and I have no clue how long Djokovic can continue
at the pace he has shown in the past year but one thing is for sure,
he is not a flash in the pan. He has won 4 slams so even if he wins
nothing more the rest of his career he would never be considered a
flash in the pan. He has a long long way to achieve what Roger has
however and I am doubtful he will come anywhere near Roger.

[TennisGuy]

+1

Good summary.

[Ulysses]

Why would anyone pick Fed to win Basel merely because it's his "home
tournament?"

He's 30 years old, past his prime and has only won Doha this year.

Um.... contrast that 2011 resume to that of Murray (recently) and the
career-year Djoker has had.

Djoker and Murray are ciphers in comparison to Roger's sublime talent
and his career stats, but age catches up to them all...

[Patrick Kehoe]

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We can certainly find points of agreement and things to debate here...
This is NOT, however, what is stated as FACT around here... what is
stated around here by W/bob and others is that there's no functional
difference between surfaces... it's ALL generic surfacing and thus
generic play... thus, the flatlining of differentiation between
playing styles and (an amazing assertion always tacked on to the first
point) that not only is all court tennis not played today but that ATP
Tour skill level is on the decline... the insidious suggestion traces
out/stamps out the definitive case... THAT'S WHAT is floated as a
given DAILY around here...

Which is total HORSESHIT by the way... anyone who believes playing in
Melboure Park and Miami and Rome and Madrid and Paris and Wimbledon
and Montreal and New York and Bejing and Paris indoors and the O2
Arena are virtually the same examinations of tennis... they are on
drugs!

Still, the meek and easily lead here on RST just sit quietly or follow
along to some extent with this MIS-characterization... today, I just
feel like calling out that kind of lunacy... that's what I am getting
at... :)))))))

P

[Patrick Kehoe]

They are but there is difference and those differences require
different qualities and over all skill sets and mastery of those are
amazingly difficult...

P

[only human]

Because Roger is the genuine goat of tennis. he's not the player he once
was. but the goat will find a way.