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Choo! Choo! There Goes the Rafa Express!

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Gracchus

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Jul 10, 2017, 3:43:24 PM7/10/17
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Ahahahhahhahahhahahhahhahaha!

Everyone who went on about his "French Open form" carrying though to a Wimbledon championship must feel very, very foolish right now. :)))))))))

SliceAndDice

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Jul 10, 2017, 3:48:44 PM7/10/17
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On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 3:43:24 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
> Ahahahhahhahahhahahhahhahaha!
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> Everyone who went on about his "French Open form" carrying though to a Wimbledon championship must feel very, very foolish right now. :)))))))))

Anyone else besides Whisper say that?

Giovanna

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Jul 10, 2017, 3:49:30 PM7/10/17
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> Ahahahhahhahahhahahhahhahaha!

hahahahhahahahahhahahahahahehehehehehehehhehehihihihiihihihihiihihhohohohohoohohohohuahauahuahauahauahauahauhauahaua
;-)

Shakes

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Jul 10, 2017, 3:49:34 PM7/10/17
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Court_1 ?

SliceAndDice

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Jul 10, 2017, 3:59:57 PM7/10/17
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Ah yes..her too.

Carey

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Jul 10, 2017, 4:22:35 PM7/10/17
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So long, Raffi! :)))))

Court_1

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Jul 10, 2017, 5:07:05 PM7/10/17
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On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 3:43:24 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
> Ahahahhahhahahhahahhahhahaha!
>
> Everyone who went on about his "French Open form" carrying though to a Wimbledon championship must feel very, very foolish right now. :)))))))))

Ha ha! You seem overly elated?

Well, I did pick Federer to win the title so let's hope he doesn't eff up too and gets it done.

Court_1

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Jul 10, 2017, 5:08:36 PM7/10/17
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I said I thought Nadal would make the final and that Federer would beat him.

Let's hope I'm not wrong about the Fed winning the title part.

Gracchus

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Jul 10, 2017, 5:12:18 PM7/10/17
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You've already forgotten those pukeworthy chipper posts about Nadal being a lock for the final and his "scary good" form? I told her not to jump the gun just cause the howler monkey beat a couple of stooges. This is Wimbledon, not that mud-pit in Paris.

Gracchus

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Jul 10, 2017, 5:16:58 PM7/10/17
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Well today feels nice. :))) But it by no means ensures an open path for Federer. He'll have some tough hurdles to clear in order to win this thing. Fortunately he's won his matches without much wear-and-tear so far, so I hope he'll have his best stuff for what's to come.

Court_1

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Jul 10, 2017, 5:28:01 PM7/10/17
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He better not lose to "Tiger" Djokovic (as in Tiger Woods!)

TT

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Jul 10, 2017, 5:36:52 PM7/10/17
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Wasn't really about Rafa's form... a nervous loss to a big server.

PeteWasLucky

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Jul 10, 2017, 5:43:01 PM7/10/17
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> Wasn't really about Rafa's form... a nervous loss to a big server.


Hahahaha

Nervous and big serve, maybe lol:)

Court_1

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Jul 10, 2017, 5:54:22 PM7/10/17
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Nervous? He has been in his best form since 2013. What does he have to be nervous about?

I think we have to count him out at Wimbledon for good. He can't handle big servers on this surface. His ROS sucks on grass vs the big servers.

John Liang

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Jul 10, 2017, 6:03:46 PM7/10/17
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Hasn't that been the case over the period of last four or five years ? With exception of Darcis, he lost to Rosol, Brown, Kyrigios and now Mueller. All big servers. I think it get to the point when Nadal faces this type of player he actually doubt his own ability and his thought process freeze, I saw that in him when he played in his third round match, this is only happened on grass .

kaennorsing

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Jul 10, 2017, 6:35:09 PM7/10/17
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Op dinsdag 11 juli 2017 00:03:46 UTC+2 schreef John Liang:
Good point. No doubt his confidence is not the same any more on grass vs big servers. Rafa's normally really solid on breakpoints, whereas today he just seemed unsure and misfiring a bunch... Missing a lot of makeable shots, for him. That's the rattling effect a big serve and volley dude can have on a grass court.

The Iceberg

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Jul 10, 2017, 6:43:23 PM7/10/17
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you don't want Raonic winning it, says it all really.

Gracchus

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Jul 10, 2017, 6:51:59 PM7/10/17
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Why should she want him to win it over Roger? Raonic isn't even a real Canadian.

fymido...@yahoo.com

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Jul 10, 2017, 7:26:33 PM7/10/17
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Brown is not a big server at all. He beat Nadal by constantly attacking the net like M.Zverev did against Murray at this year's AO.

Court_1

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Jul 10, 2017, 7:53:48 PM7/10/17
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On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 6:43:23 PM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:

> > Let's hope I'm not wrong about the Fed winning the title part.
>
> you don't want Raonic winning it, says it all really.

Hell ya. I hope Federer castrates Raonic!

ahonkan

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Jul 10, 2017, 11:13:29 PM7/10/17
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Only Whisper was bullish on Rafa ('should beat Fed 64 63 63 in the final').
Not even TT or fence-sitter Courty ('he could lose early or go all the way')
were that gung-ho about Rafa.

Whisper has no love for Rafa. He just hates Fed who has erased his hero
from the record books. His apparent Rafa-love is just to denigrate Fed
and his achievements.

ahonkan

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Jul 10, 2017, 11:15:55 PM7/10/17
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On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 03:24:22 UTC+5:30, Court_1 wrote:

> I think we have to count him out at Wimbledon for good. He can't handle big servers on this surface. His ROS sucks on grass vs the big servers.

Come next year, I bet you'll say the same thing: 'he may either lose
early or go all the way' and pick him to make the final. You just like
him too much! :-)

Court_1

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Jul 10, 2017, 11:40:10 PM7/10/17
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I wasn't a fence-sitter, I picked Nadal to make the final and lose to Fed in the David W contest. I thought based on his form thus far this year that he would get to the final again. I was incorrect (words you would never hear from most people on this ng! Bob, Whisper,Stephen J, I'm talking to you!)

Listen, a Fedal final would have been a hell of a lot better than a possible Djokovic-Murray one!

I really hope Fed wins this title and let's be honest, on paper his chances look good.

The better question is why did you pick Kyrgios to make the final? That's a worse pick than Nadal given Kyrgios' attitude and his recent injury issues.

ahonkan

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Jul 11, 2017, 12:02:36 AM7/11/17
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On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 09:10:10 UTC+5:30, Court_1 wrote:

> The better question is why did you pick Kyrgios to make the final? That's a worse pick than Nadal given Kyrgios' attitude and his recent injury issues.

Yes, my bad to not do the homework on Kyrgios' injury. I didn't expect
Rafa to go all the way given he had not got any practice on grass, didn't
think Murray was in as great a form as he has shown up till now and I lost
confidence in Cilic when he lost to Feli.
So Kyrgios was a 'best among the rest' choice. (Terrible as it turned out!)
But let's know about why you picked Rafa. He hadn't played on grass coming
in and had not advanced past R4 the last 4 times he played. So if it's
not Rafa-love, why did you pick him?

SliceAndDice

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Jul 11, 2017, 12:33:28 AM7/11/17
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On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 3:43:24 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
> Ahahahhahhahahhahahhahhahaha!
>
> Everyone who went on about his "French Open form" carrying though to a Wimbledon championship must feel very, very foolish right now. :)))))))))

Humbalito is complaining about not getting enough love from the Wimbledon organizers in terms of scheduling. He apparently prefers playing on Center Court.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/courting-trouble-nadals-grumpy-gripe-with-federer-treatment/news-story/29686c45d1c44bf7bc5e5507310579b0

joh

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Jul 11, 2017, 12:35:29 AM7/11/17
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Op dinsdag 11 juli 2017 00:51:59 UTC+2 schreef Gracchus:
Real Canadians are the ones playing with snow shoes, right?

Gracchus

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Jul 11, 2017, 12:37:51 AM7/11/17
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What a whining, entitled little fairy. As if the organizers are obligated to put him on Centre Court. He doesn't mind "preferential treatment" so much when he gets 10 more seconds between points than everyone else.

lview...@gmail.com

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Jul 11, 2017, 12:42:25 AM7/11/17
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Or more benefits in the physical components of the sport in the string technology and slowing down of the court speeds than any other great player ever.

PeteWasLucky

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Jul 11, 2017, 12:43:17 AM7/11/17
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> Humbalito is complaining about not getting enough love from the Wimbledon organizers in terms of scheduling. He apparently prefers playing on Center Court.

It's all about running the show and making money. People want to see Federer, put him on center court and make money easily.

It was amazing seeing the crowds watching Federer entering the court looking at a legend.

SliceAndDice

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Jul 11, 2017, 12:43:40 AM7/11/17
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I agree that the Nadal-Muller matchup was more intriguing than Murray-Paire. But when it comes to choosing between a 7-time champion and a 2-time champion and home crowd favorite over someone who has not done very well at Wimbledon for the last 4 years, the former 2 would get preference.

ahonkan

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Jul 11, 2017, 12:52:29 AM7/11/17
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On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 10:03:28 UTC+5:30, SliceAndDice wrote:

> Humbalito is complaining about not getting enough love from the Wimbledon organizers in terms of scheduling. He apparently prefers playing on Center Court.
>
> http://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/courting-trouble-nadals-grumpy-gripe-with-federer-treatment/news-story/29686c45d1c44bf7bc5e5507310579b0

For the Brits, the CC hierarchy is quite simple: 1. Any Brit
2. Federer

Heck, they put Kylie Edmund, the tennis version of 'Eddie The Eagle'
on Center Court.

Rafa hasn't made it to the quarters in the last 5 years so shouldn't
expect to be featured on CC. If Fed gets bumped off Chartrier and is
scheduled on Lenglen at FO, it would be the same thing. Justified.

Court_1

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Jul 11, 2017, 9:46:11 AM7/11/17
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On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 12:02:36 AM UTC-4, ahonkan wrote:

> But let's know about why you picked Rafa. He hadn't played on grass coming
> in and had not advanced past R4 the last 4 times he played. So if it's
> not Rafa-love, why did you pick him?

Because I felt that Nadal was playing more aggressively on and off clay and he made it to the final of the AO 2017 which was on a faster hc. He has had one of his best years overall this year. I figured he could finally break the Wimbledon curse and make the final (I didn't think he would beat Fed in a final though.)

However, the fact that Nadal is in incredible form and still managed to lose to Gilles freaking Muller (he's good on grass but come on!) is a bad sign for Nadal's chances of ever doing well at Wimbledon again. The truth is, Nadal's ROS is sub-standard on a grass surface and he's exposed again and again by the first big server/big hitter.

ahonkan

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Jul 11, 2017, 10:10:00 AM7/11/17
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Agree with everything. Still surprised you'd give more weightage
to his FO form while considering his chances at Wimbledon. He has
a long history of failures at Wimbledon following success at FO.
That is Whisperian logic, commonly called 'illogic'.

Court_1

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Jul 11, 2017, 10:18:33 AM7/11/17
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Well, I didn't predict Nadal would beat Federer in straights in the final, that's for sure! :)


Future Wimbledon success for Nadal looks bleak if he couldn't make a dent this year considering his blistering form. I think if Nadal can keep his 2017 form going, he can perhaps do well at the USO. You would agree with that wouldn't you?

SliceAndDice

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Jul 11, 2017, 11:06:23 AM7/11/17
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His "blistering form" works well on clay, not so much on other surfaces. He is beatable elsewhere by a quality opponent.

Gracchus

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Jul 11, 2017, 11:18:30 AM7/11/17
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Plus he's won exactly as many USOs as he has Wimbledons. So why would we assume he'd be a terror there in 2017? Because he got to the AO final (and lost)?

Court_1

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Jul 11, 2017, 2:08:28 PM7/11/17
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If it wasn't for Roger Federer, Nadal would have won that AO so looking ahead at the summer hc season and the USO, if Nadal can maintain his form he could certainly be a threat. He's better on hc than he is on grass.

We'll have to see if Federer can maintain HIS form and if Djokovic can make a comeback by then.

ahonkan

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Jul 11, 2017, 2:16:28 PM7/11/17
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Yes, he'd do better at USO than he did at Wimbledon. But both Murray &
Djoker are getting back on track and they will be there along with Fed
to challenge Rafa since they are all better than him on HC. So he won't
to *much* better. Maybe lose in the QF / SF.

Gracchus

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Jul 11, 2017, 2:21:51 PM7/11/17
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He seems better on HC than grass mainly because he's won a number of smaller HC tournaments whereas there are very few grass tournaments played each year. But slam-wise, he's won 2 on grass and 3 on HC in his whole career. Not terribly "scary," and that's just the problem with his clay-heavy resume.

The part about Federer's and Djoke's form in the fall being uncertain is true. Funny how Murray has dropped out of the conversation altogether these days. But hey, maybe he'll surprise everyone with a Wimbledon win and change that. I sure hope not. :)

PeteWasLucky

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Jul 11, 2017, 3:54:15 PM7/11/17
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> Yes, he'd do better at USO than he did at Wimbledon. But both Murray &
Djoker are getting back on track and they will be there along with Fed
to challenge Rafa since they are all better than him on HC. So he won't
to *much* better. Maybe lose in the QF / SF.

I doubt it

ahonkan

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Jul 12, 2017, 1:42:16 AM7/12/17
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So when would he lose? Earlier or later?

The Iceberg

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Jul 12, 2017, 5:37:40 AM7/12/17
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yeah! it amazing the obsession of you Fedfans! oddly though, for once, this year Murray has been getting a lot of people turn up cos of him, so far he been on a par with Fed, which has surprised me!

Whisper

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Jul 12, 2017, 5:52:22 AM7/12/17
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On 11/07/2017 5:43 AM, Gracchus wrote:
> Ahahahhahhahahhahahhahhahaha!
>
> Everyone who went on about his "French Open form" carrying though to a Wimbledon championship must feel very, very foolish right now. :)))))))))
>
>


Why?

All players have a bad match during a slam. Sometimes it gets away from
them & they lose.



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John Liang

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Jul 12, 2017, 6:03:04 AM7/12/17
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Yes, but your grass court BOAT ( according to your analysis) should not be winning just 8 matches in 5 years , 6 if you include the 1 he skipped.

ahonkan

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Jul 12, 2017, 6:07:32 AM7/12/17
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On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 15:22:22 UTC+5:30, Whisper wrote:
> On 11/07/2017 5:43 AM, Gracchus wrote:
> > Ahahahhahhahahhahahhahhahaha!
> >
> > Everyone who went on about his "French Open form" carrying though to a Wimbledon championship must feel very, very foolish right now. :)))))))))
> >
> >
>
>
> Why?
>
> All players have a bad match during a slam. Sometimes it gets away from
> them & they lose.
>

I see. So while every Fed loss at a slam is a 'career-defining loss',
Rafa gets an exemption as a 'bad match' to be ignored. How predictable
can you get? You make a big deal of Fed being taken to 5 sets (ignoring
that he won the match) by an older Agassi at USO but when Rafa (your
pick to beat Fed in straights in the final!) loses yet another 5 setter
to an unheralded Muller despite being in the best form since 2013, you
just brush it off as a 'bad match' of no consequence!

Do you realize why you are not taken seriously?

Whisper

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Jul 12, 2017, 6:37:25 AM7/12/17
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So it was a good match from Rafa?

PeteWasLucky

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Jul 12, 2017, 7:25:36 AM7/12/17
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> So when would he lose? Earlier or later?

Earlier

heyg...@gmail.com

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Jul 12, 2017, 7:55:54 AM7/12/17
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23 aces, 77 winners, 12 or so UE. Pretty good for Rafa, no?

RaspingDrive

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Jul 12, 2017, 8:07:22 AM7/12/17
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He did his best but couldn't win. He should have watched Federer's 2014 win over Muller before his match.

The Iceberg

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Jul 12, 2017, 8:40:30 AM7/12/17
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he only lost cos of Muller's improved backhand.

The Iceberg

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Jul 12, 2017, 8:41:07 AM7/12/17
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that wouldn't have helped much cos it would just show Muller totally folding.

Whisper

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Jul 12, 2017, 8:48:04 AM7/12/17
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Any chance he may be juicing? He's beating Cilic atm.

SliceAndDice

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Jul 12, 2017, 8:57:09 AM7/12/17
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He has added more dimensions to his grasscourt game, to complement his great serve. Could be a serious title contender, if he continues playing like this.

ahonkan

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Jul 12, 2017, 8:59:09 AM7/12/17
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On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:18:04 UTC+5:30, Whisper wrote:

> Any chance he may be juicing? He's beating Cilic atm.
>
Just because he beat Rafa in a hard-fought 5-setter and took 1 set
from Cilic?
Using the same logic, you should have asked the same question of Rafa
when he has suddenly been in the best form of the last 4 years, winning
everything on clay, reaching finals off clay and winning the FO w/o
losing a set.

RaspingDrive

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Jul 12, 2017, 8:59:30 AM7/12/17
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Presumptuous bugger, is 6-3 7-5 6-3 evidence of 'total folding'?

RaspingDrive

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Jul 12, 2017, 9:07:06 AM7/12/17
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great serve and crafty game but relatively poor movement.

PeteWasLucky

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Jul 12, 2017, 9:27:04 AM7/12/17
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> Any chance he may be juicing? He's beating Cilic atm.

You are asking if Nadal opponent is juicing? lol

Whisper

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Jul 12, 2017, 10:02:07 AM7/12/17
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Not really. We all know what Rafa is capable, even beating peak Federer
in a Wimbledon final. Muller hasn't quite reached these heights before
- eg he even admitted that was the best win of his career.

PeteWasLucky

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Jul 12, 2017, 10:26:47 AM7/12/17
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> he even admitted that was the best win of his career.

Brown, Rosol and Kyrgios also admitted it was their best win dismissing Rafa early in Wimbledon.
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