No bagels for Djok!

[Pelle Svanslös]

Manages to hold after blowing a 40-0 lead. Pitiful.

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-- Charles Cooke

[Pelle Svanslös]

On 13.5.2017 17:37, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> Manages to hold after blowing a 40-0 lead. Pitiful.
>

No breadsticks either. Still pitiful though.

[Pelle Svanslös]

On 13.5.2017 17:51, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> On 13.5.2017 17:37, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
>> Manages to hold after blowing a 40-0 lead. Pitiful.
>>
>
> No breadsticks either. Still pitiful though.

6-2. Fearsome tennis from Rafa and he still has a gear or two unused.
Djok has lost the fastest groundstrokes in top 10.

Better stop playing the sitar and focus on the band.

[*skriptis]

Pelle Svanslös <pe...@svans.com> Wrote in message:

> On 13.5.2017 17:37, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
>> Manages to hold after blowing a 40-0 lead. Pitiful.
>>
>
> No breadsticks either. Still pitiful though.
>
> --

> ?Donald Trump is the weak man?s vision of a strong man.?
> -- Charles Cooke
>


Even assuming that Pepe Imaz
dude is a superb guy, which I won't
debate, he's still some kind of a spiritual healer, transcendence
stuff.

Djokovic is a tennis pro and a warrior. Very down to earth needs.
So he's holding to a wrong type of person at the moment to guide
him. At this stage of his life and his career. If he does not see
that, well, it's a serious situation for him.

His father should act, imo.






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[Federer Fanatic]

Huh? His father is drunk....

FF

[Patrick Kehoe]

IF, and who really knows, but if Nole's as much 'into' self-enlightenment as he is being a professional tennis player, well, he's going to find it ROUGH out there at the very elite/championship level... because without absolute commitment and focus to all the detailing that makes for a champion's routine/technical facility of play/performance, you just cannot contend...

He'll need to make decisions soon... decisions that lay down principles and routines and connections... he'll need to order the experimental chaos of his mind - IF he wants to remain at the top of the tennis world...

P

[*skriptis]

Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> Wrote in message:

That's why I say his father should act. He's the only person left
that could be an authority for Novak.

But if the rumors are to be true, his wife and parents have
estranged relations.

[*skriptis]

Federer Fanatic <TheRelen...@nospam.invalid> Wrote in message:

??

[Jason White]

Does his father even want him playing tennis anymore? This is a man who didn't understand & questioned why Federer was still on tour in his mid 30s.

[*skriptis]

Jason White <infiniti_...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:

Good point. I forgot.

I've seen his father doing an interview last year, this time of
the year, assuring reporters Novak would win FO, if not this year
(2016) then next, but he would win it before he retires. No
doubt.


And he was saying how he was telling Novak all the time, win FO
and then quit, enjoy life, but Novak always replied to him, no I
want to become goat.


Good point. His father too isn't that pumped up for Novak to chase
records at the sacrifice of personal life now that he's achieved
everything and reach heights.

Yeah.

[Guypers]

Novak owns restaurants in Belgrade?

[grif]

From alpha to Djoke. He needs to rediscover his inner alpha again. A course of F&F should do the trick. Or maybe "Dirty Dancing" (works for Rog!).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ikGCrtWYkQ

[Court_1]

On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 11:34:58 AM UTC-4, Federer Fanatic wrote:

> | His father should act, imo.
> |
>
> Huh? His father is drunk....

LOL @ Djokovic's father acting and having any say over his Novak. Novak supports his father and that entire family. His father has no authority in Novak's life! What a bozo that skriptis* is.

[*skriptis]

Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:

If you're right, and you could be right that he's become arrogant,
that explains his loss of form but even more so general confusion
in his life right now with Pepe, lizards and that nonsense.


If he's so cocky to turn against his father and disobey him,
current situation in his life and tennis is then perfectly
understandable.


Yup.

[*skriptis]

Federer Fanatic <TheRelen...@nospam.invalid> Wrote in message:

You haven't replied to me?

[Federer Fanatic]

To answer you *skriptis*, I do recall some stupid comments about Fed and Nadal by Djoker's dad and folks
speculating that he may have been inebriated....as to Fed he claimed Fed was a bad person because
Fed critiqued the young Djoker was a "quitter"--a reference to Djokovic's inability to survice long, hot
matches.

A nice interview with Djoker's father:
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/03/25/novak-djokovic-father-exclusive-interview-436106.html

FF

ps. I like Djoker---albeit mostly because he beats the Howler Monkey.

[TT]

14.5.2017, 11:26, Federer Fanatic kirjoitti:
> ps. I like Djoker---albeit mostly because he beats the Howler Monkey.

At the moment he'll be only spanking his own monkey.

[*skriptis]

Federer Fanatic <TheRelen...@nospam.invalid> Wrote in message:

I know that interview, but it's wrong to attribute that to him
being intoxicated.


We all know Federer was arrogant. Remember how he molested
Djokovic's parents in Monte Carlo?

Do Novel's dad probably had that in mind too but didn't speak
about himself.

[John Liang]

We knew what Djoker's parents were up to in that match, didn't we ?

[Court_1]

On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 8:53:53 AM UTC-4, John Liang wrote:

> We knew what Djoker's parents were up to in that match, didn't we ?

Djokovic's parents are trailer trash. There's a reason Novak banned his obnoxious father from attending his matches for years.

[Federer Fanatic]

I believe they were "molesting" him if I remember correctly, but that doesn't
excuse him losing his temper.

FF

[Federer Fanatic]

True ;-)

FF

[*skriptis]

Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:

> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 8:53:53 AM UTC-4, John Liang wrote:
>
>> We knew what Djoker's parents were up to in that match, didn't we ?
>
> Djokovic's parents are trailer trash. There's a reason Novak banned his obnoxious father from attending his matches for years.
>

No they are not. They're upper middle class family, else he
wouldn't be able to train tennis.

But even poorer people are no trailer trash. Theere is no such
thing as trailer trash in our countries.

Everyone has minimum high school degree, everyone owns a house or
apartment of some sort, no homeless people, universal health
care.etc.

No such trash here your sick mind envisions.

[*skriptis]

John Liang <jlia...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

Don't listen to morons who trash and disrespect parents in general.
4th command in bible says respect your parents.


I don't know exactly what happened that time in Monte Carlo. Maybe
his parents were a bit loud, but can you even comprehend the
audacity Federer had to publicly humiliate his opponent's
parents? It's a gamesmanship.

Even if he had issues with Novak parents being too loud he had the
option of :
a) saying it to Novak
b) saying it to umpire

I don't know if it's cultural thing, or he's a true asshole, but
it's something that can't be tolerated in our culture.



He's a asshole no doubt. Just fast forward how he,behaved at that
USO final.

[*skriptis]

You really think parents of an atp pro in his box took a decision
to abuse his opponent?

Is that more likely or that they got carried away (even if they
misbehaved which I've seen no proof they did).

Otoh Federer deliberately singling them out and putting pressure
on Djokovic is utterly disgusting.

[Gracchus]

On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 1:01:02 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:

> I don't know exactly what happened that time in Monte Carlo. Maybe
> his parents were a bit loud, but can you even comprehend the
> audacity Federer had to publicly humiliate his opponent's
> parents? It's a gamesmanship.

> Even if he had issues with Novak parents being too loud he had the
> option of :
> a) saying it to Novak
> b) saying it to umpire

So he could either say:

(a)"Novak, I don't know how to tell you this, but your family is trash. Could you please teach them some common courtesy on the next changeover?"

or

(b) "Umpire, could you please teach my opponent's relatives the manners they never learned in Eastern Europe and should have known before attending their first tennis match?"

I can't see either one of those working better than addressing the family directly. Unfortunately, people like that require public humiliation to get the lesson through their thick skulls. Federer probably swallowed a lot of frustration before finally telling them off. Well-done, Great Man.

[Federer Fanatic]

You're obviously biased and a clear fan of Djokovic. I fail to see why
you feel the need to extend this to his parents. It's about the tennis
after all?

FF

[*skriptis]

Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

First of all, even though this has been discussed to death, people
in Serbia aren't eastern Europeans. It's the Balkans ie
southeastern Europe but totally different from eastern Europe.


I don't find it being eastern European is anything shameful, you
obviously do, so it's your shame.

But factually, that is not eastern Europe, just as Cuba and Castro
aren't exactly north Americans. But if you want to be ignorant go
ahead.


I didn't watch that match, but all the YouTube clips I've found
showed nothing to suggest his parents actually misbehaved.


Maybe they've supported him and were overly vocal but there are
ways to address that, taking care you're not publicly humiliating
your opponent and trying to influence the match by disturbing
him.

So yes, tell Novak, first, he would have told them to be more quiet.

Or you think he wouldn't have told them?

Well, that's maybe the difference between "eastern Europe and the
west".

[John Liang]

If you don't know what exactly happened that time in Monte Carlo then how do you Federer's reaction to what Djoker's parents behavior during the match wasn't appropriate.

>
> Even if he had issues with Novak parents being too loud he had the
> option of :
> a) saying it to Novak
> b) saying it to umpire
>
> I don't know if it's cultural thing, or he's a true asshole, but
> it's something that can't be tolerated in our culture.

Calling someone an asshole when you don't know what really happened, is that part of your culture ?

[*skriptis]

One of the biggest misconceptions in rst is that I'm a Djokovic fan.

Overall, and judging by his character Rafa is much more my kind of
guy in this era. As was Sampras before him.

However like Nadal, Djokovic too showed his best is better than
Federer's best, and he achieved some boat stuff surpassing even
Nadal so I appreciate him a lot.


Regarding incident in Monte Carlo it was Federer who was an
asshole. No bias there.

You don't try to intimidate your opponent by attacking his parents
in the middle of the match.

Whole stadiums cheer all the time but he had/has trouble with two
middle aged persons? Give me a break.

Like I said, he could have told Novak, if they were really
bothering him and Novak would have told them whatever it was
needed.

The way he approached it was classless and whole thing was nothing
more than an assault on his opponent and gamesmanship during an
important match.


It's kinda fake news narrative. "Oh Djokovic's parents misbehaved
so Federer had to put them in check." Sneaky.

Well, we haven't seen anything. The only one we know for sure was
an asshole, was Federer.

Whatever, it's one of the things that people would never forget
about him, at least here. He'd always be considered arrogant
classless asshole because of that incident.


E.g. you have that weird person court1 saying Djokovic's parents
are trailer trash. Proofs? Links?

Saying something like that doesn't make it true, doesn't it?

Why not say Federer is trash for being first player ever to attack
his opponent's box trying to influence the course of a
match?

[Gracchus]

On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 2:01:02 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
> Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> > On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 1:01:02 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
> >
> >> I don't know exactly what happened that time in Monte Carlo. Maybe
> >> his parents were a bit loud, but can you even comprehend the
> >> audacity Federer had to publicly humiliate his opponent's
> >> parents? It's a gamesmanship.
> >
> >> Even if he had issues with Novak parents being too loud he had the
> >> option of :
> >> a) saying it to Novak
> >> b) saying it to umpire
> >
> > So he could either say:
> >
> > (a)"Novak, I don't know how to tell you this, but your family is trash. Could you please teach them some common courtesy on the next changeover?"
> >
> > or
> >
> > (b) "Umpire, could you please teach my opponent's relatives the manners they never learned in Eastern Europe and should have known before attending their first tennis match?"
> >
> > I can't see either one of those working better than addressing the family directly. Unfortunately, people like that require public humiliation to get the lesson through their thick skulls. Federer probably swallowed a lot of frustration before finally telling them off. Well-done, Great Man.

> First of all, even though this has been discussed to death, people
> in Serbia aren't eastern Europeans. It's the Balkans ie
> southeastern Europe but totally different from eastern Europe.

> I don't find it being eastern European is anything shameful, you
> obviously do, so it's your shame.

(b) "Umpire, could you please teach my opponent's relatives the manners they never learned in Southeast Europe and should have known before attending their first tennis match?"

**fixed!**

> I didn't watch that match, but all the YouTube clips I've found
> showed nothing to suggest his parents actually misbehaved.

> Maybe they've supported him and were overly vocal but there are
> ways to address that, taking care you're not publicly humiliating
> your opponent and trying to influence the match by disturbing
> him.

> So yes, tell Novak, first, he would have told them to be more quiet.

> Or you think he wouldn't have told them?

It might have worked had Novak and Roger been friends, but they weren't. No, realistically I doubt very much if Djoke would have responded by quieting his hooligan family down.

[*skriptis]

Yup, cultural differences. Does it matter if they're friends or
not and he's asked something that is generally a reasonable
request?

By implying Djokovic wouldn't have told his parents to tone it
down you make him a savage of sort. Very rude of you.



I can't even consider your point of view as I've seen no proof or
evidence, whatever word fits better, of his parents actually
doing something wrong or vocal.

Otoh we've seen Federer's box showing their manners in London.
That I've seen and heard.

[Gracchus]

Look at it this way...imagine neighbors that had obnoxious music cranked up so loud it's impossible to ignore. From my point of view, it's reasonable to go over and ask them to turn it down. And if I do so politely, there's no good reason for them not to respond respectfully to a neighbor's request.

But a lot of people don't think this way at all. A surprising number of them would think the request is way out of line and encroaching on their "right" to play the obnoxious music. Instead of being considerate, they respond with defiance, either ignoring the request or turning the music up even louder to show that nobody is going to "tell them what to do." Such people can't be fixed because their worldview is so self-centered and childish.

The Djokovic clan strikes me as these kind of people--raucous dirtbags that think admission to the match entitles them to behave however they please. Had Federer ask Djoke to have a word with them, he probably would have just gotten pissed off and the situation might have escalated. I expect that Roger contained himself for a long time before he snapped and flatly told the family to shut up as a last resort. Sadly, it's the only language these types understand.

[*skriptis]

We know what "supposedly" happened. Djokovic's parents were
allegedly too loud. We know it only because Federer says so. Are
we to trust him?

Isn't there an umpire who's in charge of the match and the crowd?
If the umpire hasn't heard and seen anything it mustn't have been
that bad, right?

Who the fuck is Federer as a player to do empire's job? But even
if true that Novak's parents were overly vocal the course of
action he took is wrong and classless. They were not some usual
no name fans.

It's an outright attempt to humiliate and destabilize your
opponent by going after his parents. It's a form of mind game.


The classy way would be to tell Novak to tell them, and the cold
professionalism would be to complain to the umpire.


He did neither.

[*skriptis]

Whatever. Good wording there, "strikes you", "probably wouldn't
responded", "these types", etc.

I would only hope you at least understand your entire stance on
this issue is based on the assumption that Djokovic parents are
some trash who are so self absorbed, obnoxious and their whole
intent of standing there was to interfere with Federer's game.
But we've seen no evidence of that. YouTube clips show nothing.



If you believe they're total trash, well, it's easier to give
Federer a pass. But not even then, has he acted properly. If not
ask his opponent to restrain his parents, which would be
reasonable since it's kinda personal, there's an umpire for these
matters. Much better option.

What he did, I would have punched him on the court if I was
Djokovic, make no mistake about that.


The fun part is, the way whole scenario played out, someone
definitely is a trash there. Them or Federer.

Let's get real, there's little chance Federer would have done that
to Murray's camp. Just like he's done noting to Toni when he was
coaching Nadal from stands.

Some chauvinism and ill intent there for sure, just like you who
put his parents in a certain box.



Remeber Mirka actually TALKED to Wawrinka telling him he's a
crybaby, and Kim Sears SWORE at Berdych.

The whole Monte Carlo episode was only about and "allegedly"
Djokovic's parents being too vocal, supporting Novak.


But princess Roger can't stand his opponent getting any support.


God, how I enjoyed that USO '15.

[bob]

On Sun, 14 May 2017 13:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
<grac...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 1:01:02 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
>
>> I don't know exactly what happened that time in Monte Carlo. Maybe
>> his parents were a bit loud, but can you even comprehend the
>> audacity Federer had to publicly humiliate his opponent's
>> parents? It's a gamesmanship.
>
>> Even if he had issues with Novak parents being too loud he had the
>> option of :
>> a) saying it to Novak
>> b) saying it to umpire
>
>So he could either say:
>
>(a)"Novak, I don't know how to tell you this, but your family is trash. Could you please teach them some common courtesy on the next changeover?"

lol

>or
>
>(b) "Umpire, could you please teach my opponent's relatives the manners they never learned in Eastern Europe and should have known before attending their first tennis match?"
>
>I can't see either one of those working better than addressing the family directly. Unfortunately, people like that require public humiliation to get the lesson through their thick skulls. Federer probably swallowed a lot of frustration before finally telling them off. Well-done, Great Man.

i never minded fed calling out djok's parents at that match. their
behavior was inapproriate for courtside tennis seats.

but hasn't mirka been accused of similar behavior by some of the
players? stan perhaps?

bob

[Gracchus]

On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 4:30:03 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:

> We know what "supposedly" happened. Djokovic's parents were
> allegedly too loud. We know it only because Federer says so. Are
> we to trust him?

Yes. A guy that wins that many sportsmanship awards from his peers must be telling the truth.

> Isn't there an umpire who's in charge of the match and the crowd?
> If the umpire hasn't heard and seen anything it mustn't have been
> that bad, right?

> Who the fuck is Federer as a player to do empire's job? But even
> if true that Novak's parents were overly vocal the course of
> action he took is wrong and classless. They were not some usual
> no name fans.

If the empire won't strike back, Federer must.

[bob]

aha, you're on to something: is bouchard going to ask sharapova to
quiet down her shrieking next match up? :-)

bob

[*skriptis]

Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 4:30:03 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
>
>> We know what "supposedly" happened. Djokovic's parents were
>> allegedly too loud. We know it only because Federer says so. Are
>> we to trust him?
>
> Yes. A guy that wins that many sportsmanship awards from his peers must be telling the truth.

You obviously missed out on those discussions couple of weeks ago.

;)

>
>> Isn't there an umpire who's in charge of the match and the crowd?
>> If the umpire hasn't heard and seen anything it mustn't have been
>> that bad, right?
>
>> Who the fuck is Federer as a player to do empire's job? But even
>> if true that Novak's parents were overly vocal the course of
>> action he took is wrong and classless. They were not some usual
>> no name fans.
>
> If the empire won't strike back, Federer must.

This is not a standup show, it's a serious tennis newsgroup.

--

[Court_1]

On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 9:04:54 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:

> If the empire won't strike back, Federer must.

Djokovic's parents are classless hogs. Their own son (Novak) banned them from appearing at his matches for years because of their classless/inappropriate behavior. What greater evidence is there than that to show they are trash?
What Federer did to tell them to shut up was right on the money IMO. I would have probably said worse.

[John Liang]

Give me a reason why we shouldn't trust him. We knew Federer played 1200 matches in his whole career why didn't we see him act out that way against entourage of the other players just pick out on Djoker's parents.

>
> Isn't there an umpire who's in charge of the match and the crowd?
> If the umpire hasn't heard and seen anything it mustn't have been
> that bad, right?
>
> Who the fuck is Federer as a player to do empire's job? But even
> if true that Novak's parents were overly vocal the course of
> action he took is wrong and classless. They were not some usual
> no name fans.

So what you said here is it is perfectly fine for Djoker's parents to behave terribly towards Federer but Federer was wrong and classless to return the volley of abuses. So Djoker's parents are no usual no name fan they are allow to abuse other players. Who give the privilege to Djoker's parents to do that to the other players?

>
> It's an outright attempt to humiliate and destabilize your
> opponent by going after his parents. It's a form of mind game.

Who started this mind game then ? Djoker's parents or Federer.

>
>
> The classy way would be to tell Novak to tell them, and the cold
> professionalism would be to complain to the umpire.

Even more classy is to tell them enough is enough and that is what Federer did.

[*skriptis]

Don't make it more complicated that it is. Its not as if he
planned it.
He didn't acted that that way before because he was both beating
the shit out of everyone (bar Rafa and Djoker) and also everyone
was sucking up to him (including Rafa). So no reason to lose
temper. We've seen more of it post 2008.

He's very arrogant and mean when things don't go his way (Rafa-one
dimensional, delpo-put him out of his misery, djoko-he's a joke
etc )

I am asking you why should we trust him? Have other players had
"problems" with Djokovic's parents? Not that I know of.


Otoh other players had problem with his box, and he himself had
problems with his opponent's box. So he might be the problem,
right?


Btw do you comprehend how dirty is to go after your opponent's
parents midmatch?
It's a distraction far greater and bigger than any bathroom break,
or such nonsense. You're directly tampering with your opponent's
composure.

>>
>> Isn't there an umpire who's in charge of the match and the crowd?
>> If the umpire hasn't heard and seen anything it mustn't have been
>> that bad, right?
>>
>> Who the fuck is Federer as a player to do empire's job? But even
>> if true that Novak's parents were overly vocal the course of
>> action he took is wrong and classless. They were not some usual
>> no name fans.
>
> So what you said here is it is perfectly fine for Djoker's parents to behave terribly towards Federer but Federer was wrong and classless to return the volley of abuses. So Djoker's parents are no usual no name fan they are allow to abuse other players. Who give the privilege to Djoker's parents to do that to the other players?

Are you troll? Please say you are.

What proof do you have they behaved "bad" or terribly towards
Federer? Not even he himself said it.
Of course it's easy to justify his action if you create such a
bizarre fantasy in which Djokers parents came there to hackle
their son's opponent.
But you have to be of subpar intelligence to believe that.

Allegedly they were too loud supporting Novak. That's all. You
know how the Davis cup atmosphere looks like? They didn't
interfere with Federer serve, aimed at disrupting him or did
anything that could be considered inappropriate for a tennis
match.

I've already said, umpire takes care of the situation. If
necessary he asks the crowd to be more quiet, asks not to take
photos etc.

>>
>> It's an outright attempt to humiliate and destabilize your
>> opponent by going after his parents. It's a form of mind game.
>
> Who started this mind game then ? Djoker's parents or Federer.

Federer. If you think they started it, please write to me what
they did, and show some evidence, whether clip or interview.


The thing is, we have psychological projection here. Federer is so
kind and great and they're trash, so he must be right.


It's actually a circular invalid argument.

>
>>
>>
>> The classy way would be to tell Novak to tell them, and the cold
>> professionalism would be to complain to the umpire.
>
> Even more classy is to tell them enough is enough and that is what Federer did.

That's bottom.


--

[Patrick Kehoe]

A couple of years later, Federer's mother invited Nole, and his parents (their family) over to the elder Federer's home along with Fed, Mirka etc. for a lunch during the Indoor Swiss fall tournament to quell the lingering issues that had grown up between them over the years... And from what I have been told by an old friend who used to work at Reuters, who knows a lot of tennis insiders in Europe, it went well... so... both sides have moved on from that... you don't hear anything much the last few years...

P

[Gracchus]

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 9:53:28 AM UTC-7, Patrick Kehoe wrote:

> A couple of years later, Federer's mother invited Nole, and his parents (their family) over to the elder Federer's home along with Fed, Mirka etc. for a lunch during the Indoor Swiss fall tournament to quell the lingering issues that had grown up between them over the years... And from what I have been told by an old friend who used to work at Reuters, who knows a lot of tennis insiders in Europe, it went well... so... both sides have moved on from that... you don't hear anything much the last few years...

What did they have for lunch?

[Shakes]

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 8:30:03 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:

>

> Don't make it more complicated that it is. Its not as if he
> planned it.
> He didn't acted that that way before because he was both beating
> the shit out of everyone (bar Rafa and Djoker) and also everyone
> was sucking up to him (including Rafa). So no reason to lose
> temper. We've seen more of it post 2008.
>
> He's very arrogant and mean when things don't go his way (Rafa-one
> dimensional, delpo-put him out of his misery, djoko-he's a joke
> etc )
>

To an extent I agree with you on this regarding Fed. I wouldn't call him arrogant (from what I've seen, nearly all great champions are arrogant to some degree), but Fed tends to get a little "cranky" when things are not going his way. His normally cool demeanour does wear thin then.

> I am asking you why should we trust him? Have other players had
> "problems" with Djokovic's parents? Not that I know of.
>
>
> Otoh other players had problem with his box, and he himself had
> problems with his opponent's box. So he might be the problem,
> right?
>
>
> Btw do you comprehend how dirty is to go after your opponent's
> parents midmatch?
> It's a distraction far greater and bigger than any bathroom break,
> or such nonsense. You're directly tampering with your opponent's
> composure.
>
>

Is there a youtube link to this episode ? I think I might have missed it when it actually happened.

[Guypers]

Fed said shut up to Novak Sr, he should have said, shut the fuck up, you euro trash, and take your whorewife with you, mac said that at the us open to a corp sponsor!!!

[*skriptis]

Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

Not that you can see his parents doing anything in particular.

Just that snob using it as an excuse to put pressure on his
opponent, publicly humiliate his parents etc etc.


Who's going to check later what actually happened?

Simpletons would just go along with their hero, especially since
Djokovic is "Eastern European" so his parents must be trash.





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[Gracchus]

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 1:30:02 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
> Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> >

> > Is there a youtube link to this episode ? I think I might have missed it when it actually happened.
>
>
> Not that you can see his parents doing anything in particular.
>
> Just that snob using it as an excuse to put pressure on his
> opponent, publicly humiliate his parents etc etc.
>
>
> Who's going to check later what actually happened?
>
> Simpletons would just go along with their hero, especially since
> Djokovic is "Eastern European" so his parents must be trash.

No, his parents are trash because he's Southeastern European.

[*skriptis]

Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

Your humor follows Djokovic's form.
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[Shakes]

Were they heckling him ?

[John Liang]

Troll, that is what you are, you said Nole's parents are no usual tennis fan so they have the right to be louder to support their fan than other fans.

>
> What proof do you have they behaved "bad" or terribly towards
> Federer? Not even he himself said it.

What proof do you have ? show us.

> Of course it's easy to justify his action if you create such a
> bizarre fantasy in which Djokers parents came there to hackle
> their son's opponent.


> But you have to be of subpar intelligence to believe that.

Again personal insult is that all you can bring to a debate when you are losing the debate.

>
> Allegedly they were too loud supporting Novak. That's all. You
> know how the Davis cup atmosphere looks like? They didn't
> interfere with Federer serve, aimed at disrupting him or did
> anything that could be considered inappropriate for a tennis
> match.


>
> I've already said, umpire takes care of the situation. If
> necessary he asks the crowd to be more quiet, asks not to take
> photos etc.

Again, players can take action if they see fit

[*skriptis]

Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

Of course not!

But that's logical conclusion for fanbois.

That's why Federer's act was despicable. He knew very well how
will it all look like to the outsiders, casual fans etc, they'd
assume Djokovic parents heckled him or something like that. While
in fact, if anything, they were just vocal in support for their
son.

That's pretty much allowed, if done in between points, and the way
rules allow, isn't it?


Let's face it, it was Monte Carlo 2008, couple of months after
Djokovic beat him at the AO and won there. Djokovic started
dethroning Federer, Nadal only did it at Wim half a year later.
So Federer was pissed off.


But deliberately and publicly shaming his opponent's parents, is a
sneaky mind game, trying to undermine your opponent. It could be
considered as form of slander as well. He did bring bad PR upon
them. Maybe they should have sued him?

At least he didn't get an Edberg reward that year, I think 2008
was the only one he missed out?

But he got one in 2014 as well, when Mirka actually heckled
Wawrinka. ;)

He even tried to bully the umpire afterwards.

<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/rogerfederer/11238769/Rog
er-Federer-criticises-umpire-Cedric-Mourier-for-confirming-his-wif
e-Mirka-did-heckle-Stanislas-Wawrinka.html>


You'll remember even Nadal saying he doesn't want Carlos Bernardes
to be be in charge of his matches.


Otoh I don't recall classless Djokovic bullying umpires, linesmen,
other player's boxes?

Oh, yeah, he yells in the heat of the match and scares ballboys.

At least, before Pepe arrived. Now he's all love and peace.

















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[kaennorsing]

Op maandag 15 mei 2017 23:50:33 UTC+2 schreef Shakes:

It was a simple 'be quiet' about a wrong line call on Fed's baseline, while Fed went over and gave Nole a let.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2GUpbNKSWs

[John Liang]

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 9:01:02 AM UTC+10, *skriptis wrote:
> Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> > On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 12:59:47 PM UTC-7, Guypers wrote:
> >> On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 2:13:51 PM UTC-4, Shakes wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> > Is there a youtube link to this episode ? I think I might have missed it when it actually happened.
> >>
> >> Fed said shut up to Novak Sr, he should have said, shut the fuck up, you euro trash, and take your whorewife with you, mac said that at the us open to a corp sponsor!!!
> >
> > Were they heckling him ?
> >
>
>
> Of course not!
>
> But that's logical conclusion for fanbois.
>
> That's why Federer's act was despicable. He knew very well how
> will it all look like to the outsiders, casual fans etc, they'd
> assume Djokovic parents heckled him or something like that. While
> in fact, if anything, they were just vocal in support for their
> son.

We saw how Djoker's parents behave on the court side without you spreading your federer hate here.

>
> That's pretty much allowed, if done in between points, and the way
> rules allow, isn't it?
>
>
> Let's face it, it was Monte Carlo 2008, couple of months after
> Djokovic beat him at the AO and won there. Djokovic started
> dethroning Federer, Nadal only did it at Wim half a year later.
> So Federer was pissed off.

Lets face it, Djoker could not dethrone Federer when he was well into his 30s. Suck it up strip Federer still have 6 more slams than Djoker.