Nadal matches Villas record.

[acebh...@gmail.com]

49 clay titles.

Can Rafa reach 50?

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> 49 clay titles.
>
> Can Rafa reach 50?
>

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[Court_1]

Who the feck is Villas? It's VILAS! And it's "Vilas' record" with an apostrophe!

[Guypers]

On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 4:47:20 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
> Who the feck is Villas? It's VILAS! And it's "Vilas' record" with an apostrophe!

Ace is really a dope!

[Gracchus]

On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 1:47:20 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:

> Who the feck is Villas? It's VILAS! And it's "Vilas' record" with an apostrophe!

You never heard of GEEL-JER-MOE VILLAS? He was one of those "old-timers." Played tennis back in the days when they wore flannel trousers and used ping-pong paddles. But nowadays any 12-year-old hacker plays better than he did in his prime. And the same goes for that BEE-JORN BORGULUS too.

[bob]

i used to like vilas. he was a clay specialist to the utmost, but the
day in which he played was great stuff - borg, connors, vilas.

i saw him practicing on an outside court at USO 3-4 yrs ago, maybe for
sr event or whatever. watched him for quite a while, he was more
interesting than isner.

bob

[Gracchus]

On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 5:59:13 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:

> i used to like vilas. he was a clay specialist to the utmost, but the
> day in which he played was great stuff - borg, connors, vilas.

> i saw him practicing on an outside court at USO 3-4 yrs ago, maybe for
> sr event or whatever. watched him for quite a while, he was more
> interesting than isner.

I liked him too. Really nice one-handed backhand and backhand overhead, and I liked his soulful persona that set him apart from Borg and the Americans. I went to a match at the old Pepsi Grand Slam where he played a close 3-setter against McEnroe. Both were in fine form. Mac prevailed in the end.

[pari...@gmail.com]

A desi choot more like it

[bob]

what was the surface? i'm guessing mac was prime and vilas getting
old.

i always recall the day a frustrated connors mimicked him by showing
how vilas hit his exagerated topspin FH.

bob

[Gracchus]

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 7:07:34 AM UTC-7, bob wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 18:22:30 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus

> <> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 5:59:13 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
> >
> >> i used to like vilas. he was a clay specialist to the utmost, but the
> >> day in which he played was great stuff - borg, connors, vilas.
> >
> >> i saw him practicing on an outside court at USO 3-4 yrs ago, maybe for
> >> sr event or whatever. watched him for quite a while, he was more
> >> interesting than isner.
> >
> >I liked him too. Really nice one-handed backhand and backhand overhead, and I liked his soulful persona that set him apart from Borg and the Americans. I went to a match at the old Pepsi Grand Slam where he played a close 3-setter against McEnroe. Both were in fine form. Mac prevailed in the end.
>
> what was the surface? i'm guessing mac was prime and vilas getting
> old.

They played on Har-tru. That match was either '80 or '81. One year they played the runner-up match and the other it was the final. I went to the tournament both years, but not sure which match I'm recalling. Vilas wouldn't have been 30 yet. Both matches are on YouTube.

> i always recall the day a frustrated connors mimicked him by showing
> how vilas hit his exagerated topspin FH.

That certainly sounds like Connors when things weren't going his way. :) Like the time Kevin Curren beat him at Wimbledon, hitting something like 33 aces. At one point, Connors said to Curren, "I don't know where your serve is going, and I don't think you do either."

[acebh...@gmail.com]

Watched few vilas' matches on youtube. I honestly think that even almagro would have defeated him.

PS: Court_1 , thanks for correcting my grammer 😁

[bob]

that's just classic.

bob

[Court_1]

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 2:19:45 PM UTC-4, acebh...@gmail.com wrote:

> PS: Court_1 , thanks for correcting my grammer 😁

What's "grammER?" It's grammAR. Did you flunk out of elementary public school?

[bob]

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 11:19:37 -0700 (PDT), acebh...@gmail.com wrote:

>Watched few vilas' matches on youtube. I honestly think that even almagro would have defeated him.

do you always compare players in all sports 40yrs apart on an absolute
level? if you do, it's wrong.

bob

[TT]

Does this mean that Almagro > Vilas in absolute terms?

[bob]

dunno, is abby wambach > pele in "absoute terms?"

bob

[Shakes]

On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 6:22:32 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:

> I liked him too. Really nice one-handed backhand and backhand overhead, and I liked his soulful persona that set him apart from Borg and the Americans. I went to a match at the old Pepsi Grand Slam where he played a close 3-setter against McEnroe. Both were in fine form. Mac prevailed in the end.

Was it him that they used to call "the bull from Pampas" ?

[Gracchus]

I never heard that nickname applied to Vilas, but "Wild Bull of the Pampas" what they called Luis Firpo, the Argentinian boxer who fought Jack Dempsey in the 1920s.

(Court 1 will probably read this now and conclude that I'm 95 years old)

[Guypers]

Vitas Gerulaitis LITHUANIAN LION
Ilie Năstase BUCHAREST BUFFOON
Steffi Graf FRAULEIN FOREHAND
Gabriela Sabatini DIVINE ARGENTINE, PEARL OF THE PAMPAS
Guillermo Vilas YOUNG BULL OF THE PAMPAS
Björn Borg TEEN ANGEL, ANGELIC ASSASSIN
Jimmy Connors BRASH BASHER OF BELLEVILLE
Billie Jean King MOTHER FREEDOM
Rosie Casals ROSEBUD
Kenny Rosewall DOOMSDAY STROKING MACHINE, DORIAN GRAY OF TENNIS
Roscoe Tanner STANFORD HILLBILLY FROM LOOKOUT MOUNTAIN
John McEnroe CAPTAIN HOOK
Rod Laver FIREBIRD

[Shakes]

Looks like he was sometimes known as the "young bull of Pampas":

http://www.bnd.com/sports/article72352722.html

[Whisper]

On 26/04/2016 4:19 AM, acebh...@gmail.com wrote:
> Watched few vilas' matches on youtube. I honestly think that even almagro would have defeated him.
>

Not if they used the same rackets. Almagro would lose 60 61 60.

[Whisper]

Jimbo was a master at fucking with your mind. I admired him because he
never feared anyone. Even after Mac crushed him 61 61 62 in Wimbledon
Jimbo went into USO expecting to beat him, & barely lost a classic 5
setter 64 46 75 46 63. When you watch Fed taking on Rafa he always
looks defeated in the eyes - never saw that with Jimbo.

[Whisper]

Only if Alamgro could dominate Vilas using 70's/80's rackets.

That is why you only see these kind of issues prop up in rst & not the
real world. Rst has a lot of young kids who have no idea about the
game. Best to just laugh them off. They will get smarter as they
mature & brain develops.

[soccerfan777]

Yes Jimmy was a great fighter. But you forget that Wimbledon is played on grass (John's surface) and USO is played on hard court (Jimmy's surface).

So makes a big difference.

[bob]

On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:29:27 +1000, Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>
wrote:

that's true, jimbo was a fighter, even though he IMO had perhaps the
least skills of the greats of that day. plus he had no serve, and
still won 8 slams.

bob

[bob]

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:37:39 -0700 (PDT), Guypers <gap...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 12:54:31 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
>> On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 9:33:51 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote:
>> > On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 6:22:32 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
>>
>> > > I liked him too. Really nice one-handed backhand and backhand overhead, and I liked his soulful persona that set him apart from Borg and the Americans. I went to a match at the old Pepsi Grand Slam where he played a close 3-setter against McEnroe. Both were in fine form. Mac prevailed in the end.
>>
>> > Was it him that they used to call "the bull from Pampas" ?
>>
>> I never heard that nickname applied to Vilas, but "Wild Bull of the Pampas" what they called Luis Firpo, the Argentinian boxer who fought Jack Dempsey in the 1920s.
>>
>> (Court 1 will probably read this now and conclude that I'm 95 years old)
>
>Vitas Gerulaitis LITHUANIAN LION

>Ilie N?stase BUCHAREST BUFFOON

>Steffi Graf FRAULEIN FOREHAND
>Gabriela Sabatini DIVINE ARGENTINE, PEARL OF THE PAMPAS
>Guillermo Vilas YOUNG BULL OF THE PAMPAS
>Björn Borg TEEN ANGEL, ANGELIC ASSASSIN
>Jimmy Connors BRASH BASHER OF BELLEVILLE
>Billie Jean King MOTHER FREEDOM
>Rosie Casals ROSEBUD
>Kenny Rosewall DOOMSDAY STROKING MACHINE, DORIAN GRAY OF TENNIS
>Roscoe Tanner STANFORD HILLBILLY FROM LOOKOUT MOUNTAIN
>John McEnroe CAPTAIN HOOK
>Rod Laver FIREBIRD

good post

bob

[Whisper]

Yes, pretty sure it was. I have a lot of tennis mags from the early
80's I have to review when I get some time.

[Whisper]

On 26/04/2016 9:58 PM, soccerfan777 wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
>> On 26/04/2016 4:22 AM, bob wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:03:35 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
>>
>>

>> Jimbo was a master at fucking with your mind. I admired him because he
>> never feared anyone. Even after Mac crushed him 61 61 62 in Wimbledon
>> Jimbo went into USO expecting to beat him, & barely lost a classic 5
>> setter 64 46 75 46 63. When you watch Fed taking on Rafa he always
>> looks defeated in the eyes - never saw that with Jimbo.
>
> Yes Jimmy was a great fighter. But you forget that Wimbledon is played on grass (John's surface) and USO is played on hard court (Jimmy's surface).
>
> So makes a big difference.
>

Not really. Jimbo was no slouch on grass. He won the 3 slams he
entered in 1974 & all were on grass. He made 6 Wimbledon finals (1 more
than Mac, twice as many as Edberg, 1 less than Sampras etc) & only lost
to the greats. Mac at his best was simply a better player, & probably boat.

[Whisper]

He was phenomenal & a good template for all pro players. He's the
anti-clown.

I pay Hewitt the highest compliment when I say he reminds me of Jimbo.

[Guypers]

Yes, if Nishikori had Mac's, Lleyton's or even Chang's mindset, would have beaten Rafa 6-2,6-2 at Barca!

[Gracchus]

On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 5:15:53 AM UTC-7, bob wrote:

> >Vitas Gerulaitis LITHUANIAN LION
> >Ilie N?stase BUCHAREST BUFFOON
> >Steffi Graf FRAULEIN FOREHAND
> >Gabriela Sabatini DIVINE ARGENTINE, PEARL OF THE PAMPAS
> >Guillermo Vilas YOUNG BULL OF THE PAMPAS
> >Björn Borg TEEN ANGEL, ANGELIC ASSASSIN
> >Jimmy Connors BRASH BASHER OF BELLEVILLE
> >Billie Jean King MOTHER FREEDOM
> >Rosie Casals ROSEBUD
> >Kenny Rosewall DOOMSDAY STROKING MACHINE, DORIAN GRAY OF TENNIS
> >Roscoe Tanner STANFORD HILLBILLY FROM LOOKOUT MOUNTAIN
> >John McEnroe CAPTAIN HOOK
> >Rod Laver FIREBIRD
>
> good post

It's just Bud Collins' greatest hits. Not sure anyone else ever called the players any of those things.

[jdeluise]

Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au> writes:


>
> Jimbo was a master at fucking with your mind. I admired him because
> he never feared anyone. Even after Mac crushed him 61 61 62 in
> Wimbledon Jimbo went into USO expecting to beat him, & barely lost a
> classic 5 setter 64 46 75 46 63. When you watch Fed taking on Rafa he
> always looks defeated in the eyes - never saw that with Jimbo.

Sounds very similar to how Fed got crushed in FO '08 and then came back
and lost by a hair at W '08.

[Guypers]

At night, couldn't see my own dick!

[bob]

On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:47:07 +1000, Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au>

IMO both hewitt and connors had fewer raw weapons than their
contemporaries, and of course jimbo won far more than hewitt, but
mentalities were similar - IMO it's why both won as much as they did.

bob

[bob]

i was wondering why i didn't recognize the names for the most part,
but thought it very entertaining - no wonder it was bud collins. rip
bud.

bob

[Gracchus]

On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 9:57:37 AM UTC-7, bob wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:20:06 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus

A notable omission was Ivan Lendl, "The Ostrava Ghost."

[Guypers]

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Chris Evert

LONG LINDSAY
Lindsay Davenport

CROATIAN CROAKER
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Williams Sisters

SILKY SAMPRAS
Pete Sampras

HOT TODDY
Todd Martin

LOLITA
Anna Kournikova

LEANING TOWER OF PASADENA
Stan Smith

BOY BOPPER
Bob Lutz

MOANIN' MONICA
Monica Seles

BIG BAD BRENDA
Brenda Schultz

IVA THE DIVA
Iva Majoli

THE PSYCHEDELIC STROKESWOMAN
Francoise Durr

COUNT DRACULA
Ion Tiriac

MOO MAN
Tomas Muster

THE PASTA KID
Paolo Bertolucci

KID BUTTERFLY
Kimiko Date

MIGHTY MAGGIE
Margaret Court Smith

BAGEL TWINS
Eddie Dibbs & Harold Solomon

SAO PAOLO SWALLOW
Maria Bueno

BASEL DAZZLE
Roger Federer

RAMROD
Andy Roddick

THE BUTTERFLY MAN OF BARCELONA
Manolo Orantes

THE JENNERATOR
Jennifer Capriati

THE BOY BOMBSHELL
Lleyton Hewit

THE HEADLESS HORSEMAN
Marat Safin

WOLFMAN
Ray Moore

THE LONEWOLF
Pancho Gonzalez

SUNSHINE SUPERGIRL
Evonne Goolagong

MARVELOUS MARTINA
Martina Navratilova

THE GREAT WHOMPING CRANE
Pam Shriver

ZINGIN' Z
Zina Garrison

JUNKBALL JULIE
Julie Heldman

PINNACLE OF PRAGUE
Helena Sukova

OLGA THE VOLGA VOLLEYER
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THE VOLLEYING VALKERIE
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SIBERIAN SIREN
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EL NINO
Rafael Nadal

FATHER TIMELY
FATHER TIMELESS
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IDENTICAL INTIMIDATORS
Bryan twins, Bob and Mike

[soccerfan777]

On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 7:44:00 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
> On 26/04/2016 9:58 PM, soccerfan777 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
> >> On 26/04/2016 4:22 AM, bob wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:03:35 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
> >>
> >>
> >> Jimbo was a master at fucking with your mind. I admired him because he
> >> never feared anyone. Even after Mac crushed him 61 61 62 in Wimbledon
> >> Jimbo went into USO expecting to beat him, & barely lost a classic 5
> >> setter 64 46 75 46 63. When you watch Fed taking on Rafa he always
> >> looks defeated in the eyes - never saw that with Jimbo.
> >
> > Yes Jimmy was a great fighter. But you forget that Wimbledon is played on grass (John's surface) and USO is played on hard court (Jimmy's surface).
> >
> > So makes a big difference.
> >
>
>
> Not really. Jimbo was no slouch on grass.

No one said that. He won 4 slams on grass. 2 of them against Rosewall. And one against the might Phil Dent of "Taylor Dent" fame.

So he was no slouch but he was no McEnroe, Borg, Edberg or Becker on grass.

[soccerfan777]

lol good one.

[soccerfan777]

Yeah I never forgave Bud Collins for that... Rot in Hell ;-)

[soccerfan777]

I like this one. She can stroke me anyday ;-)