Shapovalov is the real deal

[Chapeau]

Long time reader, first time poster.

This shapovalov kids is the real deal. He may or may not beat Tsonga tomorrow but he will be a multiple slam winner in the decades to come and may even rival the GOATs/BOATs you all drool over.

I was lucky enough to see Shapo court side at his most recent challengers before he rocketed into the top 100. This kid is pure excitement and energy, and will inspire a new generation of attacking, shot making tennis players. All the shots are there, even if the net game needs some seasoning. He's got the mind of a champion, and runs with momentum like no one else I've seen before. And the serve... my goodness what a beautiful shot. You can build a hall of fame career around that singular stroke.

Thank god for this. I was starting to lose my mind with the mind numbing, baselining, probabilistic tennis that typified the play of the top four/five (minus federer) players who have had a stranglehold those spots and grand slams for the past decade. Not to mention those so called up and comers in the 20 to 25 age group who have done nothing but disappoint.

So, here we go. Tennis is fun again. Hats/Chapeaus off to Denis and best of luck in this us open and the many tourneys to come.

[Carey]

On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:40:50 PM UTC-7, Chapeau wrote:


snip

>
> Thank god for this. I was starting to lose my mind with the mind numbing, baselining, probabilistic tennis that typified the play of the top four/five (minus federer) players who have had a stranglehold those spots and grand slams for the past decade. Not to mention those so called up and comers in the 20 to 25 age group who have done nothing but disappoint.
>
> So, here we go. Tennis is fun again. Hats/Chapeaus off to Denis and best of luck in this us open and the many tourneys to come.

Amen to all that. Go, kid!

[DavidW]

On 30/08/2017 9:40 AM, Chapeau wrote:
>
> This shapovalov kids is the real deal.

Oh no. I'd never seen him play before so I just looked him up on
youtube. He wears a cap backwards!

[PeteWasLucky]

Haven't seen him playing, but you are sounding like Jesus has returned :)

I will go check some highlights

[Carey]

He's not gonna be a Federer, I don't think, but he's gonna be good. ;)

[jdeluise]

On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 16:40:49 -0700, Chapeau wrote:

> Long time reader, first time poster.

Is this another felangey sock? ;)

[Gracchus]

They finally let him off the oil rig?

[TennisGuy]

Not only that, but he has adopted the annoying 'bounce the
ball behind the back and then through the legs' pre-service
routine a la Isner.

Can you imagine watching that for years to come?
I think I'd rather watch him stick his finger up
his ass like Rafa.

[TennisGuy]

On 8/29/2017 7:40 PM, Chapeau wrote:
> Long time reader, first time poster.
>
> This shapovalov kids is the real deal. He may or may not beat Tsonga
> tomorrow but he will be a multiple slam winner in the decades to come
> and may even rival the GOATs/BOATs you all drool over.
>

Don't believe you Chapeau.

It will take more than that to become accepted here on rst.

BTW I disagree. I don't think he will rival the GOATS.

[Carey]

On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 9:09:25 PM UTC-7, TennisGuy wrote:


> Don't believe you Chapeau.
>
> It will take more than that to become accepted here on rst.
>
> BTW I disagree. I don't think he will rival the GOATS.

are you hall monitor now

[Court_1]

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 12:07:07 AM UTC-4, TennisGuy wrote:
> On 8/29/2017 8:18 PM, DavidW wrote:
> > On 30/08/2017 9:40 AM, Chapeau wrote:
> >>
> >> This shapovalov kids is the real deal.
> >
> > Oh no. I'd never seen him play before so I just looked him up on
> > youtube. He wears a cap backwards!
> >
>
> Not only that, but he has adopted the annoying 'bounce the
> ball behind the back and then through the legs' pre-service
> routine a la Isner.

You guys are complaining about a backwards cap and a pre-service routine? *rolls eyes* Watch his tennis style and his enthusiasm! He's a future champ, wait and see. Much more interesting to watch than Lurch Zverev. WTF was Lurch Zverev wearing last night? Tube socks? *rolls eyes* He looked like an idiot.

[TennisGuy]

Everything wasn't right with that post Carey.
Rang hollow.

Hats off to Chapeau for trying though. :)

[TennisGuy]

I think he was just trying to keep warm. :)

[Carey]

On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 9:21:16 PM UTC-7, TennisGuy wrote:

>
> Everything wasn't right with that post Carey.
> Rang hollow.
>
> Hats off to Chapeau for trying though. :)

mebbe so

[DavidW]

On 30/08/2017 2:19 PM, Court_1 wrote:
>
> You guys are complaining about a backwards cap and a pre-service
> routine? *rolls eyes*

I've been consistent in lambasting these stupid clowns for wearing their
caps backwards. They look ridiculous.

How dumb is this guy?
https://wadejohnston1962.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/backwards_baseball_cap.jpg

[Gracchus]

Only dirtbags or worse yet, fools emulating dirtbags wear the backwards cap. It's impossible to respect anyone that does it whether they are good players or not.

[Court_1]

You don't generally tend to make dumb comments but this comment is plain dumb. Just watch his tennis and his attitude!

[Gracchus]

What does that have to do with it? Hewitt was a great player with admirable work ethic, but he still was a dirtbag at his core. Tell the truth, Tommy Haas made you soft on these guys, right?

[TennisGuy]

That's hilarious David.
Thank G_d he was at least born with a right hand. :)
He must go home dazed and confused at why his right arm
is so tired after matches. LOL!

[ahonkan]

The resume is rather thin (1 win over Rafa) given his age. But we will
wait and watch. A lefty shotmaker playing exciting tennis would be great
for tennis!

[kaennorsing]

Op woensdag 30 augustus 2017 06:39:25 UTC+2 schreef DavidW:

LOL!

[The Iceberg]

Yeah what is all the being based on? Other than. him playing for Canada? and beat an out of sorts Nadal + has now qualified for USO. Wish had seen him at Wimbledon.

[TT]

He sure invested in that backstory... lol

[ahonkan]

On Wednesday, 30 August 2017 15:04:02 UTC+5:30, The Iceberg wrote:
> Yeah what is all the being based on? Other than. him playing for Canada? and beat an out of sorts Nadal + has now qualified for USO. Wish had seen him at Wimbledon.

So Rafa is 'out of sorts' when he is off clay, right?
So is he 'out of sorts' now? Or do you expect him to win the USO?
Or is he 'out of sorts' only when he loses?

[Carey]

On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 9:48:18 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:

>
> Only dirtbags or worse yet, fools emulating dirtbags wear the backwards cap. It's impossible to respect anyone that does it whether they are good players or not.

I don't like the backwards-cap thing either, not a bit, but some things you just
have to let go. :) Shap seems like a good kid, and his tennis is, as noted above, the most exciting thing since RF. What I want is for him to do well so
the juniors will see attacking OHBH tennis as cool. No more Murrovic shit!

[soccerfan777]

I would agree with you on this 100%, but it was Lendl who started this. He did this only at AO though because he was trying not to get his hair warm? I don't know the reason... but it did start this horrific trend.

[Carey]

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 9:03:13 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:

> I would agree with you on this 100%, but it was Lendl who started this. He did this only at AO though because he was trying not to get his hair warm? I don't know the reason... but it did start this horrific trend.

Lendl did? I remember him wearing the Aussie-style hat with the drape over the
neck (which I thought was cool!), but a backwards cap? Photo link?

[soccerfan777]

He did that as well... which I thought was cool...

>, but a backwards cap? Photo link?

There is a video of the entire match. 1989 AO final vs Mecir
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqOg434BTRY

[Gracchus]

I thought it was meant to be French Legionnaire style. But he said he first saw players using it in Australia and thought it looked stupid on first sight. Then, once he tried it, he found it a great relief from the heat. Anyway, I never minded that at all. Backwards cap on the other hand simply looks moronic.

[Gracchus]

You may be right. I haven't watched him play, only heard positive things. Hopefully someone will get him to adopt a classier look and get rid of that abomination.

[Patrick Kehoe]

On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 5:19:02 PM UTC-7, DavidW wrote:
> On 30/08/2017 9:40 AM, Chapeau wrote:
> >

> > This shapovalov kids is the real deal.
>

> Oh no. I'd never seen him play before so I just looked him up on
> youtube. He wears a cap backwards!

:)))))))))

Ya, in Canada we are hoping it's just another tragic youth fashion phase he will grow out of... like the Tiafore headband-square hair cut look; he'll grow out of that... :)

P

[Patrick Kehoe]

On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 6:06:00 PM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 16:40:49 -0700, Chapeau wrote:
>
> > Long time reader, first time poster.
>
> Is this another felangey sock? ;)

:)))))))

P

[Patrick Kehoe]

Oh-KAY... ???

:))))))))))))

P

[Patrick Kehoe]

On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 9:09:25 PM UTC-7, TennisGuy wrote:

How can anyone make a statement - seriously make that prediction - he just turned 18... he's not even half way through his developmental phase as a pro yet... just a tad over the top prognostication-wise... :))

P

[Patrick Kehoe]

Ya, bit judgemental to hit a kid with a ball bounce routine... funny, though, as Isner HAS pretty much ruined it for all time... :) But, seriously, Shap has a TON of up side, that much is for sure... What if he takes Tsonga out tonight? He's a viable threat should he find his best tennis level over the 2 weeks... Ya, Zverev and those tube socks were ALL wrong... ESPECIALLY if you are 6' 5"... just YET another TRAGIC youth fashion MIS-statement... happens... actually, quite normal for the kids to get it ALL wrong in terms of their on-court LOOK... He'll have plenty of good advice in the coming years to get it right... :)

P

[Patrick Kehoe]

On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-7, DavidW wrote:

It's right out of Hewitt 2001... :)

P

[Carey]

Thanks, Raja. Looks like they were both (!) using it to keep the sun off of
their necks, to me. It's obvious that by the time of this match Lendl knew
just how to play Mecir. smart.

Gracch, I only know of the FFL as words on a page. Thanks.

[TennisGuy]

Well yes and no.

Sampras was just a year older than Shap is now and I pegged him
for an all-time great the first few times I saw him play.

I don't see that in Shap now. His game will likely develop/change
but as you say, at least for him, it is far too early to make
any greatness calls yet.

And we have to study this over-the-top 'first-time' post from Chapeau
carefully.

Look at the language. Look at all the things he is saying.
I would love him to come back, stick around a bit,
so we figure out exactly who he is from his style/language.

He hasn't had the nerve to come back and reply to anyone yet.

[Court_1]

Gracchus, making a statement such as you did above that all players who wear a backwards cap are cretins who can't be respected regardless of their tennis game is a dumb statement.

Why don't you watch Shapovalov's tennis before you declare him a lunatic for wearing a backwards cap?

As for Tommy Haas, he has nothing to do with it. I couldn't care less if a player wears a backwards cap. Zverev's tube socks the other night were much more idiotic IMO but even in that case, I don't care what he wears at the end of the day.

[Gracchus]

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 11:21:12 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 1:03:22 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 9:54:30 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 12:48:18 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-7, DavidW wrote:
> > > > > On 30/08/2017 2:19 PM, Court_1 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You guys are complaining about a backwards cap and a pre-service
> > > > > > routine? *rolls eyes*
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been consistent in lambasting these stupid clowns for wearing their
> > > > > caps backwards. They look ridiculous.
> > > > >
> > > > > How dumb is this guy?
> > > > > https://wadejohnston1962.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/backwards_baseball_cap.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Only dirtbags or worse yet, fools emulating dirtbags wear the backwards cap. It's impossible to respect anyone that does it whether they are good players or not.
> > >
> > > You don't generally tend to make dumb comments but this comment is plain dumb. Just watch his tennis and his attitude!
> >
> > What does that have to do with it? Hewitt was a great player with admirable work ethic, but he still was a dirtbag at his core. Tell the truth, Tommy Haas made you soft on these guys, right?

> Gracchus, making a statement such as you did above that all players who wear a backwards cap are cretins who can't be respected regardless of their tennis game is a dumb statement.

You make ridiculous blanket statements all the time, so not a great one to talk.

> Why don't you watch Shapovalov's tennis before you declare him a lunatic for wearing a backwards cap?

I will watch him play, and maybe I'll immediately become a huge fan of his tennis. But it won't change my view of wearing the backward cap. Why would it? Do you think the cap is the key to his abilities?

> As for Tommy Haas, he has nothing to do with it. I couldn't care less if a player wears a backwards cap. Zverev's tube socks the other night were much more idiotic IMO but even in that case, I don't care what he wears at the end of the day.

It's not something that would stop me from enjoying a tennis match. It's just IMO a foolish, disgusting look, like neck tattoos, etc.

[Court_1]

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 2:46:09 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:

> > Gracchus, making a statement such as you did above that all players who wear a backwards cap are cretins who can't be respected regardless of their tennis game is a dumb statement.
>
> You make ridiculous blanket statements all the time, so not a great one to talk.

Statements as ridiculous as a player who wears a backwards cap shouldn't be respected or taken seriously as a tennis player? No, I don't.

> > Why don't you watch Shapovalov's tennis before you declare him a lunatic for wearing a backwards cap?
>
> I will watch him play, and maybe I'll immediately become a huge fan of his tennis. But it won't change my view of wearing the backward cap. Why would it? Do you think the cap is the key to his abilities?

I couldn't care less about the cap and nor should you. Watch his GAME and his attitude!

> > As for Tommy Haas, he has nothing to do with it. I couldn't care less if a player wears a backwards cap. Zverev's tube socks the other night were much more idiotic IMO but even in that case, I don't care what he wears at the end of the day.
>
> It's not something that would stop me from enjoying a tennis match. It's just IMO a foolish, disgusting look, like neck tattoos, etc.

Comparing a backwards cap to a neck tattoo? I don't quite see the comparison. Two completely different things IMO.

Just watch Shapovalov's game later on when he plays Tsonga and don't worry about his backwards hat. *rolls eyes*

[Carey]

I expect Shap's backwards cap to soon go the way of the Dodo. We'll see.

[Gracchus]

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 12:15:26 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:

> On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 2:46:09 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:

> > > Gracchus, making a statement such as you did above that all players who wear a backwards cap are cretins who can't be respected regardless of their tennis game is a dumb statement.

> > You make ridiculous blanket statements all the time, so not a great one to talk.

> Statements as ridiculous as a player who wears a backwards cap shouldn't be respected or taken seriously as a tennis player? No, I don't.

I never said his tennis abilities shouldn't be taken seriously. Obviously if he's a winner, they should. That's why I referred to Hewitt earlier as an example.

> > > Why don't you watch Shapovalov's tennis before you declare him a lunatic for wearing a backwards cap?

> > I will watch him play, and maybe I'll immediately become a huge fan of his tennis. But it won't change my view of wearing the backward cap. Why would it? Do you think the cap is the key to his abilities?

> I couldn't care less about the cap and nor should you. Watch his GAME and his attitude!

> > It's not something that would stop me from enjoying a tennis match. It's just IMO a foolish, disgusting look, like neck tattoos, etc.

> Comparing a backwards cap to a neck tattoo? I don't quite see the comparison. Two completely different things IMO.

Yes. One you can easily remove and the other you can't Both make a person look like a lowlife though...IMO.

> Just watch Shapovalov's game later on when he plays Tsonga and don't worry about his backwards hat. *rolls eyes*

You know what? I can do both. I'm an excellent multi-tasker. Example: "Wow, this guy Shapovalov has a great game and is fun to watch. Wish he'd get rid of that stupid backwards hat."

[Carey]

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 12:45:39 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:

snip

> You know what? I can do both. I'm an excellent multi-tasker. Example: "Wow, this guy Shapovalov has a great game and is fun to watch. Wish he'd get rid of that stupid backwards hat."

"...that stupid too-large hat with the strap hanging down in front of his face
like an idiot."

fixed

[DavidW]

On 31/08/2017 5:15 AM, Court_1 wrote:
>
> Just watch Shapovalov's game later on when he plays Tsonga and don't
> worry about his backwards hat. *rolls eyes*

The trouble is that the cap is right there, in everyone's face, gnawing
away at the viewer's tolerance for it, in every image of him on screen,
whatever shot he's hitting. It builds up to breaking point.

Notice that hardly any women wear caps backwards. That's because women
have enough fashion sense to know it's just a terrible look. OTOH men
like Hewitt, Haas and Shapovalov are dumb and clueless.

[Carey]

Hana did sometimes, and she could play ok. Fed too, early on (yep).

[SliceAndDice]

He is just 18, so he is going to make a stupid fashion choices. I can't believe this whole thread has devolved into a discussion on Shap's backward cap :)

[Court_1]

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 5:19:24 PM UTC-4, DavidW wrote:

WHO CARES ABOUT A BACKWARDS HAT! STFU already about something so irrelevant. 😡

[Carey]

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:


>
> WHO CARES ABOUT A BACKWARDS HAT! STFU already about something so irrelevant.
😡

today's hall monitor speaks. and speaks and

[Court_1]

You're damn right I'll speak about something as asinine as fixating on a backward cap. There are a lot of dumb things discussed on this ng but this one takes the cake.

[TennisGuy]

On 8/30/2017 5:22 PM, SliceAndDice wrote:

> He is just 18, so he is going to make a stupid fashion choices. I
> can't believe this whole thread has devolved into a discussion on
> Shap's backward cap :)
>

Is it really that surprising when the OP of this thread had
the gall to chose 'Chapeau' as his/her moniker?

[Carey]

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 4:05:27 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:


> You're damn right I'll speak about something as asinine as fixating on a backward cap. <

snip


Of that I have no doubt.

[Gracchus]

And we'll all stop talking about it when he scraps the the damn cap. In the meantime, you NEED to stop chastising people. :)

[Court_1]

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 7:34:29 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:

> And we'll all stop talking about it when he scraps the the damn cap. In the meantime, you NEED to stop chastising people. :)

I'll stop chastising people when they pipe down about a damn irrelevant placement of a cap! We discuss a lot of pointless things on this ng but this one tops the list.

[Manuel aka Xax]

Not sure it was Sasha's choice, these quite ridiculous tube socks.
Made him look like some baseballer, wich seems more like a sponsor's choice than a player's one.

I quite like his shirt, for despite pointing at baseball outfit when mixed with these tube socks, initially reminded me Borg's clothes (because first pic I saw wasn't from feets to head).

[Patrick Kehoe]

Elite, OK... threat for winning majors, fine. BUT GOAT??? I watched those famous Sampras semi and final matches in 89 and, well, he looked like a future champion... but no one would have predicted anything like 14 majors... that was out in the dark reaches of space... :)

P

[Patrick Kehoe]

HOPEFULLY... :)

Still, the kids exciting and a real breath of fresh air...

P

[TennisGuy]

Well GOAT wasn't even in my vocabulary back in those days. :)
The term is meant to single out just one player.

Notice I said "...I pegged him for an all-time great the first few times
I saw him play."

"an" being the operative word.

Heck at the time I didn't even know who had the most slams and what the
number was!

I just knew Sampras was heading straight for the top and quickly.
I could see no holes in his game and a mighty arsenal at his disposal.

[Patrick Kehoe]

I thought you said about Shap being possible GOAT/BOAT like the ones people drool over at RST...

P

[TennisGuy]

Hey Patrick, are you losing it?
Second time misquoting/mis-attributing. :)

Go back to the original post in this thread:

"... but he will be a multiple slam winner in the decades to come and

[TT]

Carey kirjoitti 30.8.2017 klo 19:06:
> Lendl did? I remember him wearing the Aussie-style hat with the drape over the
> neck

I guess you mean the foreign legion hat Lendl wore...

Lendl said recently that it was great for the heat.

[TT]

TennisGuy kirjoitti 30.8.2017 klo 7:20:
> Everything wasn't right with that post

Sure as hell wasn't. The guy apparently lurks for long time and the
first thing he writes is that Federer is great and all the rest are
boring crap. Yawn.

[Court_1]

On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 4:00:24 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:

> the first thing he writes is that Federer is great and all the rest are
> boring crap. Yawn.

But that's the common consensus. That's why Shap is a breath of fresh air. It's been a long time since many people have been so thrilled to see a young player with all the shots and with so much promise.

[Gracchus]

Another plus is that he's crushed Rafa. That even supersedes the CAP!

[TT]

Court_1 kirjoitti 2.9.2017 klo 23:14:
> On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 4:00:24 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
>
>> the first thing he writes is that Federer is great and all the rest are
>> boring crap. Yawn.
>
> But that's the common consensus.

Only for Fedfans.

[Court_1]

Well, there certainly are a lot of those around. You are in the minority. He's the most beloved player of all time for good reason.

[calim...@gmx.de]

Yes, he is the male Steffi!


Max

[soccerfan777]

Its not irrelevant. Only arsheholes do that. Tommy Haas is a well known arsehole as well. Doesnt matter if you find him cute. And Lendl wore it few times. And I am not proud of that as a Lendl fan ;-)

[Patrick Kehoe]

Federer has nothing to do with Shap... try not to let your Feds anxieties (what ever they are) ruin the sport for you... so many interesting young players arriving on the scene... time moves on, right? Things change...

P

t

[Court_1]

Only assholes wear backwards caps. You heard it here first on RST from Raja the Great!

Oh, and Lendl was one of the most boring players of all time to watch.

[Court_1]

+1.

[soccerfan777]

You need to get your eyes checked.

[Carey]

On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 11:59:01 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:

> snip

> Oh, and Lendl was one of the most boring players of all time to watch.

Not when he'd topspin lob Mac... ROFL!!!!

[calim...@gmx.de]

> Only assholes wear backwards caps. ....


OK, this Sharopolov guy doesn't seem to very nice or intelligent. But no need to be so harsh. Are you anti-Russian?


Max

[TennisGuy]

Hey Courty, maybe Shapo had a bad back today? :)

[TT]

Patrick Kehoe kirjoitti 3.9.2017 klo 21:57:
> Federer has nothing to do with Shap...

Yet I see Fedfans jumping on the badwagon. Is Fed really so boring that
you guys are dying for new players...

[Tuan]

Fedfans are realistic enough to know that Fed won't be around for much longer so a replacement is needed. If the new generation is dominated by Zverev and Thiem it will be a nightmare (a bit like the Djokovic-Nadal era). With Shapofed in the mix it'll be much more interesting. It'll be just like old times again!

[bob]

what fedfans really want is to ensure there's no vacuum for 2 yrs
after fed retires/drops and rafa picks up 5-6 slams. :-)

nobody's fooling anybody here.

bob

[Tuan]

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 11:00:09 PM UTC+10, bob wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 00:41:14 -0700 (PDT), Tuan

Nah, exciting players like Shapo won't be a threat to Nadal's slam count. Sloggers like Thiem and Zverev are much more likely to stop Nadal on clay, while on other surfaces virtually anybody can do it.

[*skriptis]

bob <b...@nospam.net> Wrote in message:

lol
Exactly.



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[Carey]

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:00:09 AM UTC-7, bob wrote:


> what fedfans really want is to ensure there's no vacuum for 2 yrs
> after fed retires/drops and rafa picks up 5-6 slams. :-)
>
> nobody's fooling anybody here.
>
> bob

bob, I *thought* you had said that Nadal was not going to catch Fed anyway, no way, no how, but... maybe my memory is incorrect?


[confused yet again]

[RaspingDrive]

bob is right, the current 19 mark is unsafe, that's why Federer should not be fooling around but should focus on winning at least two more. In fact 23, would be very very safe. Otherwise he will have a Sampras done on him with someone (Nadal or Djok) possibly passing him when he is hardly retired.

[bob]

On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 08:25:07 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

i personally don't believe nadal has a chance for 19. i was saying
*some fed fans* are worried about that scenario.

of course nadal will have a better than 0 chance if fed say quit
tomorrow and nobody emerged as a threat, sure.

bob

[Gracchus]

I think it's quite realistic that Nadal could win 4-5 more slams, but most if not all of them would be more FOs. And at this point, I wonder if he'd rather win 1 more USO than another 2 FOs.

[Gracchus]

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 9:26:41 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:

> I think it's quite realistic that Nadal could win 4-5 more slams, but most if not all of them would be more FOs. And at this point, I wonder if he'd rather win 1 more USO than another 2 FOs.

P.S. -- Come on, Dolgo!

[Carey]

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 9:26:41 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
> On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 9:19:09 AM UTC-7, bob wrote:
> > On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 08:25:07 -0700 (PDT), Carey

> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:00:09 AM UTC-7, bob wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> what fedfans really want is to ensure there's no vacuum for 2 yrs
> > >> after fed retires/drops and rafa picks up 5-6 slams. :-)
> > >>
> > >> nobody's fooling anybody here.
> > >>
> > >> bob
> >
> > >bob, I *thought* you had said that Nadal was not going to catch Fed anyway, no way, no how, but... maybe my memory is incorrect?
> > >[confused yet again]
> >
> > i personally don't believe nadal has a chance for 19. i was saying
> > *some fed fans* are worried about that scenario.
> >
> > of course nadal will have a better than 0 chance if fed say quit
> > tomorrow and nobody emerged as a threat, sure.
>
> I think it's quite realistic that Nadal could win 4-5 more slams, but most if not all of them would be more FOs. And at this point, I wonder if he'd rather win 1 more USO than another 2 FOs.

Maybe so. I could see a couple of more, but still think he and Fed are done.
And yes, go Dolgo...

[*skriptis]

RaspingDrive <raspin...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

It's good for sport to see records being broken.

[Court_1]

But it isn't just Fed fans who are excited about Shapovalov. He's captured the interest of fans of all players. He's the real deal with all of the shots, a good head on his shoulders and he has that star quotient. Your assessment of him is completely off (what else is new?) Finally, there's a younger player to get enthusiastic about after players like Federer and Nadal retire.

[TennisGuy]

Meh...
He ain't it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, after Fed packs it in I'm
gone from here and watching tennis.

It would take another Sampras/Fed to bring me back.

As much as you show disdain for big ball-bashers, when you boil
down Shap's game, that's exactly what you've got.

Just for the record, I'm Canadian too.

[bob]

at this pt i don't think nadal cares about which slams he accumulates
more, he'd love to get to 19 in any combo. but i do believe he'd
really love to get another wimbledon.

bob

[bob]

what exactly is my assessment of him after watching 2 sets of his
entire career? sheesh chill out.

bob

[Carey]

She's already in hyena mode this morning.



Go ahead, call me 'sexist'. bwahahaha

[bob]

On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 12:53:56 -0400, TennisGuy <TG...@techsavvy.com>
wrote:

after fed and nadal are out, i'll still watch tennis but doubt i'll
feel much about it at least for a good while.

after mac/borg/connors, sampras/agassi, nadal/fed i'm thinking we
might be in for a lull. law of averages and all that, mikko can
explain.

bob

[RaspingDrive]

As is -- in fact better -- setting a challenging mark for current/future aspirants to overhaul.

[Gracchus]

Who wouldn't? But that's the one that's definitely not gonna happen. :)

[Court_1]

Ok, I think you're wrong on this one. We'll see. IMO Shap's the antithesis of a ball-basher. Zverev and Thiem are ball-bashers.

[RaspingDrive]

To the extent that everybody would love to get W, Nadal also would. However, he has 2 W's already, so yes the 19 mark is probably the goal, not slam distribution.

[Court_1]

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 1:03:43 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> what exactly is my assessment of him after watching 2 sets of his
> entire career? sheesh chill out.
>
> bob

You said only Fedfans are excited about Shapovalov and I replied that fans of all players are enthusiastic about Shapovalov and rightly so.

As for you assessment of Shapovalov, you watched the one match where he played average. Go watch clips of him on You Tube when he played Tsonga at the USO or Nadal in Montreal.

[Court_1]

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 1:06:01 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:

> She's already in hyena mode this morning.
>
>
>
> Go ahead, call me 'sexist'. bwahahaha

You're definitely sexist. I believe I said that to you years ago based on some of your comments. Some male posters use the "c" word on here daily and nobody bats an eyelash. I make comments such as Sloane (specifically) looks like Aunt Jemima and I'm labelled as a racist, hysterical, a hyena, etc. Keep going, it's amusing.

Why don't you post some more of your anti-Capitalist garbage? It's been more than a few days. *rolls eyes*

[jdeluise]

On Mon, 04 Sep 2017 10:33:23 -0700, Court_1 wrote:

> I make comments such as Sloane (specifically) looks like Aunt Jemima

I'm more curious what you see as the resemblance? And are you talking
about the older Aunt Jemima figure or the newer one?