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John McEnroe v Ivan Lendl through 1984
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Carey
May 3, 2017, 10:09:41 AM5/3/17
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Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
*skriptis
May 3, 2017, 11:01:03 AM5/3/17
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Carey <carey...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:
4-3
Federer-Nadal in 2006
2-4
So it's true. Another proof Djokovic is boat. Unlike other greats
such as McEnroe or Federer who didn't dominate both tour and
their rivals in their peak year, djokovic has done it.
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> Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
>
Djokovic-Federer h2h in 2015.
> Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
>
4-3
Federer-Nadal in 2006
2-4
So it's true. Another proof Djokovic is boat. Unlike other greats
such as McEnroe or Federer who didn't dominate both tour and
their rivals in their peak year, djokovic has done it.
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RaspingDrive
May 3, 2017, 12:39:08 PM5/3/17
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On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 11:01:03 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
> Carey <carey...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:
> >
> > Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
> >
>
>
> Djokovic-Federer h2h in 2015.
> 4-3
Reasonable. Djok was at peak and should have the upper hand.
> Carey <carey...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:
> >
> > Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
> >
>
>
> Djokovic-Federer h2h in 2015.
> 4-3
> Federer-Nadal in 2006
> 2-4
Bad for Federer in his peak year. But we always knew that Nadal owned Federer until 2016.
> So it's true. Another proof Djokovic is boat. Unlike other greats
> such as McEnroe or Federer who didn't dominate both tour and
> their rivals in their peak year, djokovic has done it.
Whisper
May 4, 2017, 6:06:50 AM5/4/17
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On 4/05/2017 12:09 AM, Carey wrote:
>
> Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
>
Remarkable, given Mac lost 2 matches all yr.
>
> Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
>
Whisper
May 4, 2017, 6:09:12 AM5/4/17
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On 4/05/2017 12:39 AM, *skriptis wrote:
> Carey <carey...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:
>>
>> Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
>>
>
>
> Djokovic-Federer h2h in 2015.
> 4-3
>
>
> Federer-Nadal in 2006
> 2-4
>
>
> So it's true. Another proof Djokovic is boat. Unlike other greats
> such as McEnroe or Federer who didn't dominate both tour and
> their rivals in their peak year, djokovic has done it.
>
McEnroe completed dominated Lendl through 1984, winning 10 out of 12
> Carey <carey...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:
>>
>> Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
>>
>
>
> Djokovic-Federer h2h in 2015.
> 4-3
>
>
> Federer-Nadal in 2006
> 2-4
>
>
> So it's true. Another proof Djokovic is boat. Unlike other greats
> such as McEnroe or Federer who didn't dominate both tour and
> their rivals in their peak year, djokovic has done it.
>
matches. The 2 losses were fluky eg '84 FO final from 36 26 down. Don't
listen to trolls/fake news in rst.
*skriptis
May 4, 2017, 8:01:03 AM5/4/17
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John Liang
May 4, 2017, 8:23:01 AM5/4/17
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Patrick Kehoe
May 4, 2017, 11:28:54 AM5/4/17
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soccerfan777
May 4, 2017, 11:40:38 AM5/4/17
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I am just wondering if there is any possibility that someone likes both Lendl and McEnroe. I might be the only one it seems.
Lendl had McEnroe's number in 1981 and 1982. The reversal happened in 1983 and 1984. And then Lendl came back in 1985. McEnroe was no longer the same once he made the fatal mistake of semi-retitrment in 1986. He was a top player from 1979 to 1985 though. He was excellent in 1982 and 1985 even though he did not win slams.
Lendl had McEnroe's number in 1981 and 1982. The reversal happened in 1983 and 1984. And then Lendl came back in 1985. McEnroe was no longer the same once he made the fatal mistake of semi-retitrment in 1986. He was a top player from 1979 to 1985 though. He was excellent in 1982 and 1985 even though he did not win slams.
Whisper
May 4, 2017, 1:07:31 PM5/4/17
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himself admitted he was way behind Mac, Borg & Connors.
Rst is a sheltered workshop.
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Whisper
May 4, 2017, 1:08:46 PM5/4/17
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On 5/05/2017 1:40 AM, soccerfan777 wrote:
> I am just wondering if there is any possibility that someone likes both Lendl and McEnroe. I might be the only one it seems.
>
> Lendl had McEnroe's number in 1981 and 1982. The reversal happened in 1983 and 1984. And then Lendl came back in 1985. McEnroe was no longer the same once he made the fatal mistake of semi-retitrment in 1986. He was a top player from 1979 to 1985 though. He was excellent in 1982 and 1985 even though he did not win slams.
>
McEnroe is my all time fave & the reason I got into tennis. I also like
> I am just wondering if there is any possibility that someone likes both Lendl and McEnroe. I might be the only one it seems.
>
> Lendl had McEnroe's number in 1981 and 1982. The reversal happened in 1983 and 1984. And then Lendl came back in 1985. McEnroe was no longer the same once he made the fatal mistake of semi-retitrment in 1986. He was a top player from 1979 to 1985 though. He was excellent in 1982 and 1985 even though he did not win slams.
>
Lendl, but he's well down the list.
soccerfan777
May 4, 2017, 1:11:49 PM5/4/17
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soccerfan777
May 4, 2017, 1:14:24 PM5/4/17
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On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 12:07:31 PM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
> On 5/05/2017 1:28 AM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 5:23:01 AM UTC-7, John Liang wrote:
> >> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 8:09:12 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
> >>> On 4/05/2017 12:39 AM, *skriptis wrote:
> >>>> Carey <carey...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Djokovic-Federer h2h in 2015.
> >>>> 4-3
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Federer-Nadal in 2006
> >>>> 2-4
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So it's true. Another proof Djokovic is boat. Unlike other greats
> >>>> such as McEnroe or Federer who didn't dominate both tour and
> >>>> their rivals in their peak year, djokovic has done it.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> McEnroe completed dominated Lendl through 1984, winning 10 out of 12
> >>> matches. The 2 losses were fluky eg '84 FO final from 36 26 down. Don't
> >>> listen to trolls/fake news in rst.
> >>
> >> So he dominated Lendl for just 1 year, other than that streak he was completely dominated by Lendl 19:5.
> >
> > Anyone who saw this decade of tennis knows that, career wise, Lendl just out lasted him; his physicality wore him down... He was next gen fitness level and began to dominate JM mentally... he started to bully him around the court which is part of the emotional resentment that McEnroe felt for decades afterwards...
> >
> > P
> >
>
>
> Every tennis analyst I've read has McEnroe well above Lendl.
Links?
> On 5/05/2017 1:28 AM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 5:23:01 AM UTC-7, John Liang wrote:
> >> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 8:09:12 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
> >>> On 4/05/2017 12:39 AM, *skriptis wrote:
> >>>> Carey <carey...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Djokovic-Federer h2h in 2015.
> >>>> 4-3
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Federer-Nadal in 2006
> >>>> 2-4
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So it's true. Another proof Djokovic is boat. Unlike other greats
> >>>> such as McEnroe or Federer who didn't dominate both tour and
> >>>> their rivals in their peak year, djokovic has done it.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> McEnroe completed dominated Lendl through 1984, winning 10 out of 12
> >>> matches. The 2 losses were fluky eg '84 FO final from 36 26 down. Don't
> >>> listen to trolls/fake news in rst.
> >>
> >> So he dominated Lendl for just 1 year, other than that streak he was completely dominated by Lendl 19:5.
> >
> > Anyone who saw this decade of tennis knows that, career wise, Lendl just out lasted him; his physicality wore him down... He was next gen fitness level and began to dominate JM mentally... he started to bully him around the court which is part of the emotional resentment that McEnroe felt for decades afterwards...
> >
> > P
> >
>
>
> Every tennis analyst I've read has McEnroe well above Lendl.
> Even Lendl
> himself admitted he was way behind Mac, Borg & Connors.
>
> Rst is a sheltered workshop.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/tennis/10-best-men-s-tennis-players-of-all-time-1.10786667
soccerfan777
May 4, 2017, 1:20:33 PM5/4/17
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On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 12:07:31 PM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
> On 5/05/2017 1:28 AM, Patrick Kehoe wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 5:23:01 AM UTC-7, John Liang wrote:
> >> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 8:09:12 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
> >>> On 4/05/2017 12:39 AM, *skriptis wrote:
> >>>> Carey <carey...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Djokovic-Federer h2h in 2015.
> >>>> 4-3
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Federer-Nadal in 2006
> >>>> 2-4
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So it's true. Another proof Djokovic is boat. Unlike other greats
> >>>> such as McEnroe or Federer who didn't dominate both tour and
> >>>> their rivals in their peak year, djokovic has done it.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> McEnroe completed dominated Lendl through 1984, winning 10 out of 12
> >>> matches. The 2 losses were fluky eg '84 FO final from 36 26 down. Don't
> >>> listen to trolls/fake news in rst.
> >>
> >> So he dominated Lendl for just 1 year, other than that streak he was completely dominated by Lendl 19:5.
> >
> > Anyone who saw this decade of tennis knows that, career wise, Lendl just out lasted him; his physicality wore him down... He was next gen fitness level and began to dominate JM mentally... he started to bully him around the court which is part of the emotional resentment that McEnroe felt for decades afterwards...
> >
> > P
> >
>
>
> Every tennis analyst I've read has McEnroe well above Lendl.
Another one.
> > On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 5:23:01 AM UTC-7, John Liang wrote:
> >> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 8:09:12 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
> >>> On 4/05/2017 12:39 AM, *skriptis wrote:
> >>>> Carey <carey...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Djokovic-Federer h2h in 2015.
> >>>> 4-3
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Federer-Nadal in 2006
> >>>> 2-4
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So it's true. Another proof Djokovic is boat. Unlike other greats
> >>>> such as McEnroe or Federer who didn't dominate both tour and
> >>>> their rivals in their peak year, djokovic has done it.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> McEnroe completed dominated Lendl through 1984, winning 10 out of 12
> >>> matches. The 2 losses were fluky eg '84 FO final from 36 26 down. Don't
> >>> listen to trolls/fake news in rst.
> >>
> >> So he dominated Lendl for just 1 year, other than that streak he was completely dominated by Lendl 19:5.
> >
> > Anyone who saw this decade of tennis knows that, career wise, Lendl just out lasted him; his physicality wore him down... He was next gen fitness level and began to dominate JM mentally... he started to bully him around the court which is part of the emotional resentment that McEnroe felt for decades afterwards...
> >
> > P
> >
>
>
> Every tennis analyst I've read has McEnroe well above Lendl.
http://www.amiannoying.com/(S(vmb1wlme3zaolzzjx42yc0nf))/collection.aspx?collection=6276
Carey
May 4, 2017, 2:56:17 PM5/4/17
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John McEnroe and Ivan Lendl head to head, according to the ATP:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/fedex-head-2-head/ivan-lendl-vs-john-mcenroe/L018/M047
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/fedex-head-2-head/ivan-lendl-vs-john-mcenroe/L018/M047
soccerfan777
May 4, 2017, 3:25:50 PM5/4/17
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On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 5:09:12 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
> On 4/05/2017 12:39 AM, *skriptis wrote:
> > Carey <carey...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:
> >>
> >> Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Djokovic-Federer h2h in 2015.
> > 4-3
> >
> >
> > Federer-Nadal in 2006
> > 2-4
> >
> >
> > So it's true. Another proof Djokovic is boat. Unlike other greats
> > such as McEnroe or Federer who didn't dominate both tour and
> > their rivals in their peak year, djokovic has done it.
> >
>
> McEnroe completed dominated Lendl through 1984, winning 10 out of 12
> matches.
Since when tune ups matter to you??? Lendl and McEnroe were 1-1 in slams in 1984.
> On 4/05/2017 12:39 AM, *skriptis wrote:
> > Carey <carey...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:
> >>
> >> Their H2h through 1984, Mac's best year: 3-3.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Djokovic-Federer h2h in 2015.
> > 4-3
> >
> >
> > Federer-Nadal in 2006
> > 2-4
> >
> >
> > So it's true. Another proof Djokovic is boat. Unlike other greats
> > such as McEnroe or Federer who didn't dominate both tour and
> > their rivals in their peak year, djokovic has done it.
> >
>
> McEnroe completed dominated Lendl through 1984, winning 10 out of 12
> matches.
> The 2 losses were fluky eg '84 FO final from 36 26 down.
stephenJ
May 4, 2017, 4:54:23 PM5/4/17
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On 5/4/2017 10:40 AM, soccerfan777 wrote:
> I am just wondering if there is any possibility that someone likes both Lendl and McEnroe. I might be the only one it seems.
>
> Lendl had McEnroe's number in 1981 and 1982. The reversal happened in 1983 and 1984. And then Lendl came back in 1985. McEnroe was no longer the same once he made the fatal mistake of semi-retitrment in 1986. He was a top player from 1979 to 1985 though. He was excellent in 1982 and 1985 even though he did not win slams.
>
That's actually a pretty accurate description of how things happened.
> I am just wondering if there is any possibility that someone likes both Lendl and McEnroe. I might be the only one it seems.
>
> Lendl had McEnroe's number in 1981 and 1982. The reversal happened in 1983 and 1984. And then Lendl came back in 1985. McEnroe was no longer the same once he made the fatal mistake of semi-retitrment in 1986. He was a top player from 1979 to 1985 though. He was excellent in 1982 and 1985 even though he did not win slams.
>
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soccerfan777
May 4, 2017, 6:23:07 PM5/4/17
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On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:54:23 PM UTC-5, StephenJ wrote:
> On 5/4/2017 10:40 AM, soccerfan777 wrote:
> > I am just wondering if there is any possibility that someone likes both Lendl and McEnroe. I might be the only one it seems.
> >
> > Lendl had McEnroe's number in 1981 and 1982. The reversal happened in 1983 and 1984. And then Lendl came back in 1985. McEnroe was no longer the same once he made the fatal mistake of semi-retitrment in 1986. He was a top player from 1979 to 1985 though. He was excellent in 1982 and 1985 even though he did not win slams.
> >
>
> That's actually a pretty accurate description of how things happened.
>
Thanks.
> On 5/4/2017 10:40 AM, soccerfan777 wrote:
> > I am just wondering if there is any possibility that someone likes both Lendl and McEnroe. I might be the only one it seems.
> >
> > Lendl had McEnroe's number in 1981 and 1982. The reversal happened in 1983 and 1984. And then Lendl came back in 1985. McEnroe was no longer the same once he made the fatal mistake of semi-retitrment in 1986. He was a top player from 1979 to 1985 though. He was excellent in 1982 and 1985 even though he did not win slams.
> >
>
> That's actually a pretty accurate description of how things happened.
>
John Liang
May 4, 2017, 10:33:23 PM5/4/17
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TennisGuy
May 5, 2017, 12:37:14 AM5/5/17
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On 5/4/2017 11:40 AM, soccerfan777 wrote:
> I am just wondering if there is any possibility that someone likes
> both Lendl and McEnroe. I might be the only one it seems.
>
I was quite the Lendl fan in his time.
> I am just wondering if there is any possibility that someone likes
> both Lendl and McEnroe. I might be the only one it seems.
>
I also liked McEnroe's game but HATED his personality.
What an obnoxious, boorish twit.
The Iceberg
May 5, 2017, 2:59:21 AM5/5/17
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soccerfan777
May 5, 2017, 7:31:22 AM5/5/17
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I hate Pat Cash because he is a well known cunt. He was a great player when on fire
Whisper
May 5, 2017, 10:14:43 AM5/5/17
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On 5/05/2017 4:56 AM, Carey wrote:
> John McEnroe and Ivan Lendl head to head, according to the ATP:
>
> http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/fedex-head-2-head/ivan-lendl-vs-john-mcenroe/L018/M047
>
You didn't post Fed v Rafa stats?
> John McEnroe and Ivan Lendl head to head, according to the ATP:
>
> http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/fedex-head-2-head/ivan-lendl-vs-john-mcenroe/L018/M047
>
The Iceberg
May 6, 2017, 6:23:03 AM5/6/17
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stephenJ
May 6, 2017, 9:07:58 AM5/6/17
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> On 5/6/2017 5:23 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
> it's cos anybody who watched Mac play can see the talent ...
Yes, I agree, even though personally as a player I identify far more
with Lendl. At my piddling level, like Lendl, I managed to win far more
matches than my natural talent would indicate. I have very little
natural tennis ability, but the last time I played a season of USTA
tennis, I won about 90% of my matches and the USTA tried to promote my
rating for the next year, which was laughable because probably 95% of
the guys I beat were clearly more talented and skilled. I just had
non-tennis attributes in my corner, namely a Connors/Hewitt bulldog
tenacity and desire to win, and at middle-age a still-fit 6'2", 215
pound body with broad shoulders and long arms that can generate a lot of
power on a shot when I want/need it, and an approximate 160 IQ that
allows me to usually outsmart the other guy.
But as far as natural tennis ability, I'm a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10. Mac
was an 11+.
> it's cos anybody who watched Mac play can see the talent ...
Yes, I agree, even though personally as a player I identify far more
with Lendl. At my piddling level, like Lendl, I managed to win far more
matches than my natural talent would indicate. I have very little
natural tennis ability, but the last time I played a season of USTA
tennis, I won about 90% of my matches and the USTA tried to promote my
rating for the next year, which was laughable because probably 95% of
the guys I beat were clearly more talented and skilled. I just had
non-tennis attributes in my corner, namely a Connors/Hewitt bulldog
tenacity and desire to win, and at middle-age a still-fit 6'2", 215
pound body with broad shoulders and long arms that can generate a lot of
power on a shot when I want/need it, and an approximate 160 IQ that
allows me to usually outsmart the other guy.
But as far as natural tennis ability, I'm a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10. Mac
was an 11+.
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