Angry Toni Nadal: 'Wimbledon is like a small event, they help other players

[PeteWasLucky]

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/news/Rafael_Nadal/45338/angry-t
oni-nadal-wimbledon-is-like-a-small-event-they-help-other-players/
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[John Liang]

Nonsense, Nadal played two matches on court 1 which is still a show court, I remember a lot of players in the past played on outside court, Sampras lost to Bastl on Court 2 in his last Wimbledon, did Sampras complain about his match on Court 2 when he was 7 times champion ? How many match did Muller play on Centre court in this Wimbledon ? Probably just 1 against Nadal. If Tony Nadal wanted to complain he should be looking at Nadal's play rather than which court the match was played. It was Nadal who gave his opponent a two sets lead to his opponent and found it hard to recover with that deficit.

[SliceAndDice]

First it was, "French Open crowd is very bad" and now this? LOL. Exactly how is Wimbledon "helping" other players more? All they are doing is scheduling the more popular players on Center Court so that the crowd gets their money's worth. And it is not like Nadal never got scheduled there? And after six years of doing nada at Wimbledon, I do not think this is unfair. What a couple of whiners! This poor little rich boy act is getting old.

[Whisper]

On 16/07/2017 7:32 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/news/Rafael_Nadal/45338/angry-t
> oni-nadal-wimbledon-is-like-a-small-event-they-help-other-players/
>

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+tube+sympathy+violin&view=detail&mid=4262649E4113558410594262649E411355841059&FORM=VIRE



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[Pelle Svanslos]

On 16/07/2017 0.32, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/news/Rafael_Nadal/45338/angry-t
> oni-nadal-wimbledon-is-like-a-small-event-they-help-other-players/
>

Yep. That's the point I made last year. Djok was the only fabbie made to
play in the morning dew of court 1. We all know what happened.

Uncle Toni is right.

[Manuel aka Xax]

Uncle Toni is a prick.
Both BBC & Eurosport commentators were saying that Rafa (and/or team) asked to play on the 1, for it is slower / higher bouncing than the Centre.

Toni can be such an unbearable crybaby, on occasions.

[PeteWasLucky]

> Uncle Toni is right

Better than retiring his match on center court.

[TT]

Obviously they didn't ask it, or otherwise Toni wouldn't be complaining.

> Toni can be such an unbearable crybaby, on occasions.
>

He's straight talker, to a fault.

[Brian W Lawrence]

'Morning dew'? Firstly Djok's R3 defeat began at 12:00 midday, so it was
afternoon. Secondly, there is no dew on the courts when play begins.
There is a tent cover over the court overnight, which is removed around
07:00 (unless it's raining). The court is then brushed & mown, and
the lines are vacuumed and repainted. Each court is checked after the
end of play, when they perform a 'bounce test' and from that calculate
how much water the court needs to maintain the bounce level. This is
done on every court individually.

> Uncle Toni is right.


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[Pelle Svanslös]

On 19.7.2017 11:08, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
> On 18/07/2017 20:32, Pelle Svanslos wrote:
>
>> On 16/07/2017 0.32, PeteWasLucky wrote:
>>> http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/news/Rafael_Nadal/45338/angry-t
>>> oni-nadal-wimbledon-is-like-a-small-event-they-help-other-players/
>>>
>>
>> Yep. That's the point I made last year. Djok was the only fabbie made
>> to play in the morning dew of court 1. We all know what happened.
>
> 'Morning dew'?

That's just literary colour coordinating.

The Djok match was delayed by ... rain.

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[Brian W Lawrence]

On 19/07/2017 09:43, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> On 19.7.2017 11:08, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
>> On 18/07/2017 20:32, Pelle Svanslos wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/07/2017 0.32, PeteWasLucky wrote:
>>>> http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/news/Rafael_Nadal/45338/angry-t
>>>> oni-nadal-wimbledon-is-like-a-small-event-they-help-other-players/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep. That's the point I made last year. Djok was the only fabbie made
>>> to play in the morning dew of court 1. We all know what happened.
>>
>> 'Morning dew'?
>
> That's just literary colour coordinating.
>
> The Djok match was delayed by ... rain.

So if it rains all of the top 4 seeds, men & women, should be put on
to Centre Court?

[Court_1]

That's because the Wimbledon ticket holders would prefer to watch Murray and Federer. This ain't Serbia.

[Pelle Svanslös]

On 19/07/2017 14.20, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
> On 19/07/2017 09:43, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
>> On 19.7.2017 11:08, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
>>> On 18/07/2017 20:32, Pelle Svanslos wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 16/07/2017 0.32, PeteWasLucky wrote:
>>>>> http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/news/Rafael_Nadal/45338/angry-t
>>>>> oni-nadal-wimbledon-is-like-a-small-event-they-help-other-players/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep. That's the point I made last year. Djok was the only fabbie
>>>> made to play in the morning dew of court 1. We all know what happened.
>>>
>>> 'Morning dew'?
>>
>> That's just literary colour coordinating.
>>
>> The Djok match was delayed by ... rain.
>
> So if it rains all of the top 4 seeds, men & women, should be put on
> to Centre Court?

We can settle that when Andy is scheduled to play on a roofless court.
Haven't seen that for a while.

[Pelle Svanslös]

By "this" I assume you mean ther local trailer park?

[SliceAndDice]

I agree with this...They should have a roof over Court 1 as well :)

[Court_1]

I'm just saying, Djokovic isn't popular and the Wimbledon elite who pay for Centre Court prefer to see Fed/Murray. Boo hoo for Tiger Djokovic!

[Pelle Svanslös]

Well, I'm just sayin' you show your colours every time you post.

[SliceAndDice]

LOL why are you booing Djokovic? It is your beloved who complained. Apparently, he is not as popular either.

[Brian W Lawrence]

Not long to wait.

[stephenJ]

On 7/16/2017 4:13 AM, Whisper wrote:
> On 16/07/2017 7:32 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
>> http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/news/Rafael_Nadal/45338/angry-t
>> oni-nadal-wimbledon-is-like-a-small-event-they-help-other-players/

>
> http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+tube+sympathy+violin&view=detail&mid=4262649E4113558410594262649E411355841059&FORM=VIRE

IMO the real story here is that Tony's outburst is indicative of how
badly Team Rafa (meaning Tony and Rafa) wanted this Wimbledon title.


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[SliceAndDice]

On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 9:05:28 AM UTC-4, StephenJ wrote:
> On 7/16/2017 4:13 AM, Whisper wrote:
> > On 16/07/2017 7:32 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> >> http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/news/Rafael_Nadal/45338/angry-t
> >> oni-nadal-wimbledon-is-like-a-small-event-they-help-other-players/
>
> >
> > http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+tube+sympathy+violin&view=detail&mid=4262649E4113558410594262649E411355841059&FORM=VIRE
>
> IMO the real story here is that Tony's outburst is indicative of how
> badly Team Rafa (meaning Tony and Rafa) wanted this Wimbledon title.
>
>

This is correct.

[Brian W Lawrence]

2015, but he was 'only' seeded #3

In 2015 #1 Djokovic played his R4 match on #1,
Federer [2] played his QF on #1, Murray was R2.
Stan was the unluckiest, he played R2, R3, R4 &
QF on #1.

The same year Serena [1], Kvitova [2], Halep [3] &
Sharapova [4] all played on #1 - Sharapova did so
twice.

If more spectators want to watch Murray why would you put his
matches on #1 with ~11k seats, when CC has ~15k?

[Pelle Svanslös]

On 19/07/2017 16.28, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
> On 19/07/2017 12:58, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
>> On 19/07/2017 14.20, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
>>> On 19/07/2017 09:43, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
>>>> On 19.7.2017 11:08, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
>>>>> On 18/07/2017 20:32, Pelle Svanslos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16/07/2017 0.32, PeteWasLucky wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/news/Rafael_Nadal/45338/angry-t
>>>>>>> oni-nadal-wimbledon-is-like-a-small-event-they-help-other-players/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep. That's the point I made last year. Djok was the only fabbie
>>>>>> made to play in the morning dew of court 1. We all know what
>>>>>> happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Morning dew'?
>>>>
>>>> That's just literary colour coordinating.
>>>>
>>>> The Djok match was delayed by ... rain.
>>>
>>> So if it rains all of the top 4 seeds, men & women, should be put on
>>> to Centre Court?
>>
>> We can settle that when Andy is scheduled to play on a roofless court.
>> Haven't seen that for a while.
>
> 2015, but he was 'only' seeded #3

Since then, at least 12 straight matches under the roof.

> If more spectators want to watch Murray why would you put his
> matches on #1 with ~11k seats, when CC has ~15k?

Among other reasons, to eliminate the thought that there's somebody
willing to make the playing field more fair for the home boy than to others?

The players and their teams certainly are justified to make point out of
this.

[Court_1]

Because Pelle isn't complaining about Nadal not having CC every time, he's only complaining about Tiger Djokovic. I don't blame the Wimbledon organizers for giving CC to Murray/Fed every time. They have to satisfy their patrons who are paying to see Murray/Fed on CC. Nadal and Djokovic are crybabies here.

[Court_1]

Because I speak the truth that the people who pay for CC tickets would rather see Murray and Fed? I'm with the Wimbledon organizers on this one.

[Pelle Svanslös]

You're wrong on that. I just posted 15 min earlier, which you probably
read, that "the players and their teams certainly are justified to make
a point out of this".

> I don't blame the
> Wimbledon organizers for giving CC to Murray/Fed every time. They
> have to satisfy their patrons

Their patrons are the millions viewing on TV.

[Brian W Lawrence]

On 19/07/2017 14:53, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> On 19/07/2017 16.28, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
>> On 19/07/2017 12:58, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
>>> On 19/07/2017 14.20, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
>>>> On 19/07/2017 09:43, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
>>>>> On 19.7.2017 11:08, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/07/2017 20:32, Pelle Svanslos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16/07/2017 0.32, PeteWasLucky wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/news/Rafael_Nadal/45338/angry-t
>>>>>>>> oni-nadal-wimbledon-is-like-a-small-event-they-help-other-players/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep. That's the point I made last year. Djok was the only fabbie
>>>>>>> made to play in the morning dew of court 1. We all know what
>>>>>>> happened.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Morning dew'?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's just literary colour coordinating.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Djok match was delayed by ... rain.
>>>>
>>>> So if it rains all of the top 4 seeds, men & women, should be put on
>>>> to Centre Court?
>>>
>>> We can settle that when Andy is scheduled to play on a roofless
>>> court. Haven't seen that for a while.
>>
>> 2015, but he was 'only' seeded #3
>
> Since then, at least 12 straight matches under the roof.

Which was open for most of them.

>> If more spectators want to watch Murray why would you put his
>> matches on #1 with ~11k seats, when CC has ~15k?
>
> Among other reasons, to eliminate the thought that there's somebody
> willing to make the playing field more fair for the home boy than to
> others?

How is it more fair if it doesn't rain? If it does rain, does it give
him much of an advantage?

> The players and their teams certainly are justified to make point out of
> this.

Tournaments schedule matches as they wish, taking into account any
number of factors. With hindsight some decisions might have been less
than great.

Looking at matches on CC in 2017 I was struck by the fact that only 3
matches involving the top 4 womens seeds were scheduled.

Day 2 Kerber [1]
Day 4 Pliskova [3] - lost
Day 8 Halep [2] - lost

Halep most likely was only put on CC because she played Jo Konta.

Kerber [1] & Svitolina [4] both lost on Day 7 - Kerber on C3 & Svitolina
on C12.

The top 4 mens seeds played on CC:

1 Murray 5
2 Djokovic 3
3 Federer 7
4 Nadal 2

[Brian W Lawrence]

TV viewers don't pay Wimbledon directly. AFAIK only the BBC have rights
to cover Wimbledon, all other TV stations in ~40 countries take the BBC
video and I assume they pay the BBC not the AELTC.

The majority of TV viewers can watch their faves whatever court they are
playing on.

[Court_1]

On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 10:33:53 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

> > Because Pelle isn't complaining about Nadal not having CC every time,
> > he's only complaining about Tiger Djokovic.
>
> You're wrong on that. I just posted 15 min earlier, which you probably
> read, that "the players and their teams certainly are justified to make
> a point out of this".

I didn't see your post on that but I disagree with what you're saying and I don't feel that Nadal and Djokovic crying about the issue is justified at all.

>
> > I don't blame the
> > Wimbledon organizers for giving CC to Murray/Fed every time. They
> > have to satisfy their patrons
>
> Their patrons are the millions viewing on TV.

The Wimbledon organizers have ONE goal--to make money and Fed and Murray make more money for them thus the Centre Court play. It's simple economics. Who cares about anything else.

[stephenJ]

On 7/19/2017 10:36 AM, Court_1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 10:33:53 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
>
>>> Because Pelle isn't complaining about Nadal not having CC every time,
>>> he's only complaining about Tiger Djokovic.
>>
>> You're wrong on that. I just posted 15 min earlier, which you probably
>> read, that "the players and their teams certainly are justified to make
>> a point out of this".
>
> I didn't see your post on that but I disagree with what you're saying and I don't feel that Nadal and Djokovic crying about the issue is > justified at all.

Complaining about court assignments is a never ending thing. I remember
almost 40 years ago, Jimmy Connors complained that the Wimbledon
officials had him "playing in the weeds" or somesuch because of his
court assignment.

Bottom line is that all the courts have the same conditions for both
players so no use whining about it.

[bob]

correct. wimbledon may pick its faves, but it's not cause it's a small
event.

bob

[Pelle Svanslös]

Are you seriously asking this? Last year Djok was taken out in a match
that was rain interrupted multiple times. It's anybody's guess how
taking the #1 out of the draw affected Andy's chances. I certainly
wouldn't underestimate that.

>> The players and their teams certainly are justified to make point out
>> of this.
>
> Tournaments schedule matches as they wish, taking into account any
> number of factors.

Which include a few provincial ones, I guess.

[Pelle Svanslös]

You know what is meant.

[Pelle Svanslös]

On 19/07/2017 18.36, Court_1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 10:33:53 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös
> wrote:
>
>>> Because Pelle isn't complaining about Nadal not having CC every
>>> time, he's only complaining about Tiger Djokovic.
>>
>> You're wrong on that. I just posted 15 min earlier, which you
>> probably read, that "the players and their teams certainly are
>> justified to make a point out of this".
>
> I didn't see your post on that but I disagree with what you're saying
> and I don't feel that Nadal and Djokovic crying about the issue is
> justified at all.

The players want a level playing field. If that is too hard to see, what
is easy?

>>
>>> I don't blame the Wimbledon organizers for giving CC to
>>> Murray/Fed every time. They have to satisfy their patrons
>>
>> Their patrons are the millions viewing on TV.
>
> The Wimbledon organizers have ONE goal--to make money and Fed and
> Murray make more money for them thus the Centre Court play. It's
> simple economics. Who cares about anything else.

Duh. Wimbledon has a responsibility to make play equitable, it's the
players that make the money for them, not the lawns. It's not Podunk Open.

[Pelle Svanslös]

On 19/07/2017 20.20, stephenJ wrote:
> On 7/19/2017 10:36 AM, Court_1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 10:33:53 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
>>
>>>> Because Pelle isn't complaining about Nadal not having CC every time,
>>>> he's only complaining about Tiger Djokovic.
>>>
>>> You're wrong on that. I just posted 15 min earlier, which you probably
>>> read, that "the players and their teams certainly are justified to make
>>> a point out of this".
>>
>> I didn't see your post on that but I disagree with what you're saying
>> and I don't feel that Nadal and Djokovic crying about the issue is >
>> justified at all.
>
> Complaining about court assignments is a never ending thing. I remember
> almost 40 years ago, Jimmy Connors complained that the Wimbledon
> officials had him "playing in the weeds" or somesuch because of his
> court assignment.
>
> Bottom line is that all the courts have the same conditions for both
> players so no use whining about it.

That's the poorest bottom line I have yet to see. Wait ... the sender is
Jaros ...

[Court_1]

Is Bernie "socialist" Sanders running Wimbledon now? The two players who make the most money for Wimbledon are Murray and Federer, hence the CC time. It's all good.

[Pelle Svanslös]

I'll take that as a white flag.

[Manuel aka Xax]

Le mercredi 19 juillet 2017 00:32:38 UTC+2, TT a écrit :
> Manuel aka Xax kirjoitti 19.7.2017 klo 0:12:

> > Le mardi 18 juillet 2017 21:32:33 UTC+2, Pelle Svanslos a écrit :
> >> On 16/07/2017 0.32, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> >>> http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/news/Rafael_Nadal/45338/angry-t
> >>> oni-nadal-wimbledon-is-like-a-small-event-they-help-other-players/
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yep. That's the point I made last year. Djok was the only fabbie made to
> >> play in the morning dew of court 1. We all know what happened.
> >>
> >> Uncle Toni is right.
> >

> > Uncle Toni is a prick.
> > Both BBC & Eurosport commentators were saying that Rafa (and/or team) asked to play on the 1, for it is slower / higher bouncing than the Centre.
> >
>
> Obviously they didn't ask it, or otherwise Toni wouldn't be complaining.
>
> > Toni can be such an unbearable crybaby, on occasions.
> >
>
> He's straight talker, to a fault.

LOL
Too bad you never heard him during FO, when interviewed by french TV.
Straight talker ? Quite the opposite, when in France, and replying in french.

[TT]

Did he say that Godard is a talented film maker?

[Court_1]

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 5:53:43 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

> >> Duh. Wimbledon has a responsibility to make play equitable, it's
> >> the players that make the money for them, not the lawns. It's not
> >> Podunk Open.
> >
> > Is Bernie "socialist" Sanders running Wimbledon now?
>
> I'll take that as a white flag.

There's no white flag from me. Murray and Federer are the two players who make the most money for the tournament and hence the CC schedule. It's pure and sound economics.

You on the other hand, need to make excuses for yet another Tiger Djokovic loss. Don't worry, Tiger doesn't need your help in that area as he does just fine making excuses on his own--his elbow, his shoulder, his arm, his personal issues, etc. What's next? And where was the time off for his bad elbow? Instead what did he do? Played DC and Eastbourne. Sure sounds like a serious elbow problem to me. *rolls eyes*

[stephenJ]

That's because you're eyes aren't very good. Wait a minute, they are,
they're just attached to your brain.

[The Iceberg]

this is why they should NEVER have had any roof - the rain makes it more difficult and an added factor in winning Wimbledon, it's a shame if your name is Fed or Murray you get things easier.

[ahonkan]

On Wednesday, 19 July 2017 17:37:58 UTC+5:30, SliceAndDice wrote:

>
> I agree with this...They should have a roof over Court 1 as well :)

There was a news item during the tournament that work has begun on
putting a roof over (Wimbledon, not RST!) Court 1.

[Brian W Lawrence]

On 19/07/2017 18:20, stephenJ wrote:

> Complaining about court assignments is a never ending thing. I remember
> almost 40 years ago, Jimmy Connors complained that the Wimbledon

> officials had him "playing in the weeds" or some such because of his
> court assignment.

I thought I had a vague recollection of that quote, but haven't found
anything. Assuming that he was not likely to have said that about
Courts 2 & 3 which even then had banks of spectator seats - when did
he get put on even more remote courts? It turns out it was not very
often.

1972 R2 d. N Kaolgeropoulos on Court 10
1973 R3 d. RJ Simpson Court 6

Oddly, those two were in fact the same court. In 1972 the courts south
of CC/C1 were in 3 rows numbered 2-3-4-5, 11-10-9-8-7-6 & 12-13-14. In
1973 the 2nd row numbers were reversed.

1974 R3 d. A Panatta C6
R4 d. JJ Fillol C6
1976 R2 d. SA Warboys C5

I can't find any after 1976. However, I don't have court #s for 7 matches:

1979 R2-QF (QF would have been CC or C1) R2 Riessen, R3 Kriek,
R4 Cox, QF Scanlon
1981 R1 Dick Stockton
1991 R2 Aaron Krickstein

1991 was the first year that there was a full program on the middle
Sunday. He didn't play his R1 match until Friday, and then played R2 on
Sat/Sun. He lost in R3 on CC on Sunday to Derrick Rostagno.

He played 102 singles matches, winning 84 and losing 18. Of the 18
losses, 12 were on CC, 4 were C1 & 2 were C2 (Kevin Curren in 1983
and Patrick Kuhnen in 1988).

By my reckoning he played 42 on CC, 30 on C1, 13 on C2, 3 on C3,
2 on C5 & 4 on C6/C10 - 7 unknowns.