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Carey

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Jun 20, 2017, 10:37:06 AM6/20/17
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Poor Cashie- guy just hates Fed, and if his appearance is to be trusted, it's driving him to heavy drink:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cash-tips-apos-incredibly-deadly-132420990.html


kaennorsing

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Jun 20, 2017, 11:13:41 AM6/20/17
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Op dinsdag 20 juni 2017 16:37:06 UTC+2 schreef Carey:
> Poor Cashie- guy just hates Fed, and if his appearance is to be trusted, it's driving him to heavy drink:
>
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/cash-tips-apos-incredibly-deadly-132420990.html

But what makes him think Murray is the only one to possibly stop Federer at Wimbledon? Because he lucked out, playing a half-dead Fed in that gold-medal match 5 years ago?

PeteWasLucky

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Jun 20, 2017, 11:55:48 AM6/20/17
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There are many tall young hard hitting players that can take Federer down on grass.
Federer will need to be in top form and Lucky to win the title.

Carey

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Jun 20, 2017, 12:00:48 PM6/20/17
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On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:55:48 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> There are many tall young hard hitting players that can take Federer down on grass.
> Federer will need to be in top form and Lucky to win the title.


This. When's the last time a 35-36 year old guy won Wimbledon?

Brian W Lawrence

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Jun 20, 2017, 1:05:02 PM6/20/17
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Bill Tilden, 1930 - actually he was 37. He only lost 2 sets, both in the
SF vs. Borotra (6 3-set wins).

Only Ashe (1975) & Fed (2012) have won post-30 since the Open era
began.


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Gracchus

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Jun 20, 2017, 1:19:47 PM6/20/17
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On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 10:05:02 AM UTC-7, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
> On 20/06/2017 17:00, Carey wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:55:48 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> >> There are many tall young hard hitting players that can take Federer down on grass.
> >> Federer will need to be in top form and Lucky to win the title.
> >
> >
> > This. When's the last time a 35-36 year old guy won Wimbledon?
>
> Bill Tilden, 1930 - actually he was 37. He only lost 2 sets, both in the
> SF vs. Borotra (6 3-set wins).
>
> Only Ashe (1975) & Fed (2012) have won post-30 since the Open era
> began.

So this means that only gay players can win Wimbledon after age 34?

joh

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Jun 20, 2017, 5:40:33 PM6/20/17
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Op dinsdag 20 juni 2017 19:19:47 UTC+2 schreef Gracchus:
Sublimation is a wonderful thing.

bob

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Jun 20, 2017, 5:53:14 PM6/20/17
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he lucked out in 3 easy sets.

bob

Gracchus

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Jun 20, 2017, 6:08:28 PM6/20/17
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Right...because he was playing a Federer that had wrung himself out beating Del Potro in a marathon match. Must take into account Murray's record against Federer in big events and the fact that Federer handled Murray comfortably on the same surface at Wimbledon a few weeks earlier.

*skriptis

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Jun 21, 2017, 9:30:03 AM6/21/17
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Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
But it goes both ways. Just as Federer was exhausted after del
Potro match (he has no one to blame but himself) same way you've
have to admit Murray felt huge pressure in that Wimbledon final
unknown to any player ever with all the British expectations and
70 year stuff, alongside usual pressure players feel to win first
slam. That's a big burden.

Plus they've closed the roof at one point which helped Federer as
the break helped him at the time and he's even better indoors
than Murray.


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Gracchus

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Jun 21, 2017, 10:27:58 AM6/21/17
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On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 6:30:03 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
> Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> > On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 2:53:14 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:

> >> he lucked out in 3 easy sets.

> > Right...because he was playing a Federer that had wrung himself out beating Del Potro in a marathon match. Must take into account Murray's record against Federer in big events and the fact that Federer handled Murray comfortably on the same surface at Wimbledon a few weeks earlier.

> But it goes both ways. Just as Federer was exhausted after del
> Potro match (he has no one to blame but himself)

I didn't imply that anyone else was to blame.

> same way you've
> have to admit Murray felt huge pressure in that Wimbledon final
> unknown to any player ever with all the British expectations and
> 70 year stuff, alongside usual pressure players feel to win first
> slam. That's a big burden.

Not comparable. Pressure is entirely subjective. I don't know anything about Murray's internal state. Some players thrive on pressure and some don't. Besides, if what you say is true, why wouldn't playing for Britain in the London Olympics be an enormous burden too, especially after just falling short at Wimbledon against the same player? Why could Murray be suddenly capable of handling it a few weeks later?

> Plus they've closed the roof at one point which helped Federer as
> the break helped him at the time and he's even better indoors
> than Murray.

They owed Federer that for forcing him to play the 2008 final in the dark. ;)

*skriptis

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Jun 21, 2017, 11:01:03 AM6/21/17
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Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 6:30:03 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
>> Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>> > On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 2:53:14 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
>
>> >> he lucked out in 3 easy sets.
>
>> > Right...because he was playing a Federer that had wrung himself out beating Del Potro in a marathon match. Must take into account Murray's record against Federer in big events and the fact that Federer handled Murray comfortably on the same surface at Wimbledon a few weeks earlier.
>
>> But it goes both ways. Just as Federer was exhausted after del
>> Potro match (he has no one to blame but himself)
>
> I didn't imply that anyone else was to blame.
>
>> same way you've
>> have to admit Murray felt huge pressure in that Wimbledon final
>> unknown to any player ever with all the British expectations and
>> 70 year stuff, alongside usual pressure players feel to win first
>> slam. That's a big burden.
>
> Not comparable. Pressure is entirely subjective. I don't know anything about Murray's internal state. Some players thrive on pressure and some don't. Besides, if what you say is true, why wouldn't playing for Britain in the London Olympics be an enormous burden too, especially after just falling short at Wimbledon against the same player? Why could Murray be suddenly capable of handling it a few weeks later?


It's a different effort. E.g. him being British he didn't get full
support vs Federer in Wimbledon final.
He got in that couple of weeks later.



>
>> Plus they've closed the roof at one point which helped Federer as
>> the break helped him at the time and he's even better indoors
>> than Murray.
>
> They owed Federer that for forcing him to play the 2008 final in the dark. ;)
>


TT

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Jun 21, 2017, 11:01:27 AM6/21/17
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Yes, so Federer has a chance.

TT

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Jun 21, 2017, 11:04:18 AM6/21/17
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Brian W Lawrence kirjoitti 20.6.2017 klo 20:04:
> On 20/06/2017 17:00, Carey wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:55:48 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
>>> There are many tall young hard hitting players that can take Federer
>>> down on grass.
>>> Federer will need to be in top form and Lucky to win the title.
>>
>>
>> This. When's the last time a 35-36 year old guy won Wimbledon?
>
> Bill Tilden, 1930 - actually he was 37. He only lost 2 sets, both in the
> SF vs. Borotra (6 3-set wins).
>
> Only Ashe (1975) & Fed (2012) have won post-30 since the Open era
> began.
>

Arthur Gore won 3 slam titles, all Wimbledon... aged:
33,5
40,5
41,5

TT

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Jun 21, 2017, 11:08:09 AM6/21/17
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That was over 100 years ago though.

Rosewall won grass slams in 1970s aged 36 and 37...

Gracchus

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Jun 21, 2017, 11:11:01 AM6/21/17
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I thought you might jump on that comment. :)

bob

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Jun 21, 2017, 8:56:37 PM6/21/17
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i just think murray was on the rise that summer and played relaxed
tennis for a change and fed had a bad day - maybe too tight, wanted it
too much. but to say it was lucky isn't giving murray his fair due.

bob

bob

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Jun 21, 2017, 8:58:24 PM6/21/17
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if there's anything you can count on it's TT and court1 calling
someone gay.

bob

Court_1

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Jun 21, 2017, 9:20:32 PM6/21/17
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On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 8:58:24 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> if there's anything you can count on it's TT and court1 calling
> someone gay.
>
> bob

Is that your coming out confession?

bob

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Jun 21, 2017, 10:20:47 PM6/21/17
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if i were gay i'd never be in any closet. why would anyone?

bob

kaennorsing

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Jun 22, 2017, 6:41:20 AM6/22/17
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Op donderdag 22 juni 2017 02:56:37 UTC+2 schreef bob:

> i just think murray was on the rise that summer and played relaxed
> tennis for a change and fed had a bad day - maybe too tight, wanted it
> too much. but to say it was lucky isn't giving murray his fair due.
>
> bob

It was lucky :)

Whisper

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Jun 22, 2017, 9:08:21 AM6/22/17
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On 22/06/2017 12:37 AM, *skriptis wrote:
> Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>
>> Not comparable. Pressure is entirely subjective. I don't know anything about Murray's internal state. Some players thrive on pressure and some don't. Besides, if what you say is true, why wouldn't playing for Britain in the London Olympics be an enormous burden too, especially after just falling short at Wimbledon against the same player? Why could Murray be suddenly capable of handling it a few weeks later?
>
>
> It's a different effort. E.g. him being British he didn't get full
> support vs Federer in Wimbledon final.
> He got in that couple of weeks later.
>
>


At Olympics it's not just tennis fans, so yes Murray would have got
massive support compared to Wimbledon where there are plenty of tennis &
Fed fans.

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