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The Phenomenon's imminent 10th

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RaspingDrive

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May 13, 2017, 12:36:00 PM5/13/17
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Looks to be a certainty with the clobbering of Djok at Madrid. Wow.

Ten FO's. Wow. Federer's 18 is unsafe! He better play for O 2020, meaning he better try getting more slam titles. Iceeeyyy he he he.

Gracchus

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May 13, 2017, 12:42:36 PM5/13/17
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On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 9:36:00 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:

> Looks to be a certainty with the clobbering of Djok at Madrid. Wow.
>
> Ten FO's. Wow. Federer's 18 is unsafe! He better play for O 2020, meaning he better try getting more slam titles. Iceeeyyy he he he.

He has to be seen as the clear favorite, but "certainty" is a minefield. We've seen players enter a slam off a string of tuneup wins before only to come crashing down in flames like the Hindenberg. I hold out a thin hope that will be the case here. :)

PeteWasLucky

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May 13, 2017, 12:45:08 PM5/13/17
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What matters who will peak when it matters the most.

RaspingDrive

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May 13, 2017, 12:49:16 PM5/13/17
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I agree, 'clear favorite' is the correct way to explain the situation. Barring that 2009 loss, Nadal has gone on to win all others when he was the clear favorite. Ten FO titles is a mind boggling record. Who is going to overhaul it in a 100 years?

RzR

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May 13, 2017, 1:34:09 PM5/13/17
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On 5/13/2017 6:35 PM, RaspingDrive wrote:
> Federer's 18 is unsafe!

A HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

good one man, i needed a laugh

Guypers

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May 13, 2017, 1:40:46 PM5/13/17
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Garbage post!

*skriptis

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May 13, 2017, 2:01:02 PM5/13/17
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Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
I certainly don't want to see that. It's so anti-climatic.

If Nadal is not to win it, I want to see Djokovic miraculously
rediscovering his form and beating him, or Murray heroics, or
even total misery of Federer beating Rafa. Something like that.


What fun is there in Nadal crashing early due to a bad day,
injury, and then someone exploiting 'WoO'?

It's the most dull thing in sport.



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Jason White

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May 13, 2017, 2:24:06 PM5/13/17
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On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 9:36:00 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:
> Looks to be a certainty with the clobbering of Djok at Madrid. Wow.
>
> Ten FO's. Wow. Federer's 18 is unsafe! He better play for O 2020, meaning he better try getting more slam titles. Iceeeyyy he he he.

Perhaps the only positive. Djokovic won't have the defending champion's pressure in Paris. Nadal has it (not that it bothers him). Most people will think Djokovic will have no chance, so maybe the ability to swing freely will help.

RaspingDrive

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May 13, 2017, 6:32:52 PM5/13/17
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On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 1:34:09 PM UTC-4, RzR wrote:
You think Nadal can't do a repeat of 2008 and 2010?

RaspingDrive

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May 13, 2017, 6:38:11 PM5/13/17
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On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 2:01:02 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
> Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> > On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 9:36:00 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:
> >
> >> Looks to be a certainty with the clobbering of Djok at Madrid. Wow.
> >>
> >> Ten FO's. Wow. Federer's 18 is unsafe! He better play for O 2020, meaning he better try getting more slam titles. Iceeeyyy he he he.
> >
> > He has to be seen as the clear favorite, but "certainty" is a minefield. We've seen players enter a slam off a string of tuneup wins before only to come crashing down in flames like the Hindenberg. I hold out a thin hope that will be the case here. :)
> >
>
>
> I certainly don't want to see that. It's so anti-climatic.
>
> If Nadal is not to win it, I want to see Djokovic miraculously
> rediscovering his form and beating him, or Murray heroics, or
> even total misery of Federer beating Rafa. Something like that.
>
>
> What fun is there in Nadal crashing early due to a bad day,
> injury, and then someone exploiting 'WoO'?

WoO is WoO. There is nothing like a creditable WoO. Nadal, being the clay Phenomenon, can play less tune ups and keep himself healthy for FO, avoiding probable loss of mental and physical edge. No point crying injury etc.

RaspingDrive

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May 13, 2017, 6:42:48 PM5/13/17
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Probably more pressure will be on Nadal this time.

Court_1

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May 13, 2017, 7:34:23 PM5/13/17
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On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 2:24:06 PM UTC-4, Jason White wrote:
THIS Djokovic has NO chance. He's nowhere near good enough to win the FO let alone beat Nadal in his current form there. Federer has a better chance to beat this Nadal than this awful Djokovic does if you can believe that but it's true.

Court_1

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May 13, 2017, 7:36:35 PM5/13/17
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You never know. We have to wait and see what happens and if Federer can continue his superb form of 2017 and perhaps win another W or USO and if Nadal can take his momentum and win more off clay slams.

*skriptis

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May 13, 2017, 8:01:02 PM5/13/17
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RaspingDrive <raspin...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
If he wins final tomorrow and wins Rome and FO it's his best clay
season EVER.

He skipped Barcelona in 2010, to have a rest.

Now 7 years later be plays an ever heavier schedule. ;)

RzR

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May 14, 2017, 5:21:55 AM5/14/17
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nope...too old...

stephenJ

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May 14, 2017, 7:22:39 AM5/14/17
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On 5/13/2017 6:31 PM, *skriptis wrote:
> RaspingDrive <raspin...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>> On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 1:34:09 PM UTC-4, RzR wrote:
>>> On 5/13/2017 6:35 PM, RaspingDrive wrote:
>>>> Federer's 18 is unsafe!
>>>
>>> A HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>>
>>> good one man, i needed a laugh
>>
>> You think Nadal can't do a repeat of 2008 and 2010?
>>
>
>
> If he wins final tomorrow and wins Rome and FO it's his best clay
> season EVER.

If he wins today, he should skip Rome. Heck if he loses today.




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stephenJ

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May 14, 2017, 7:24:15 AM5/14/17
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Thing is, Joker is the opposite of 'swinging freely' right now. Not that
he was going to win, but yesterday vs Nadal he passed on opportunity
after opportunity to be aggressive and go for big shots off short Nadal
balls and passed on just about all of them. The confidence is just not
there.

bob

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May 14, 2017, 7:26:23 AM5/14/17
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no

bob

bob

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May 14, 2017, 7:27:34 AM5/14/17
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 16:34:21 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 2:24:06 PM UTC-4, Jason White wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 9:36:00 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:
>> > Looks to be a certainty with the clobbering of Djok at Madrid. Wow.
>> >
>> > Ten FO's. Wow. Federer's 18 is unsafe! He better play for O 2020, meaning he better try getting more slam titles. Iceeeyyy he he he.
>>
>> Perhaps the only positive. Djokovic won't have the defending champion's pressure in Paris. Nadal has it (not that it bothers him). Most people will think Djokovic will have no chance, so maybe the ability to swing freely will help.
>
>THIS Djokovic has NO chance.

i said that yesterday before the match.

> He's nowhere near good enough to win the FO let alone beat Nadal in his current form there. Federer has a better chance to beat this Nadal than this awful Djokovic does if you can believe that but it's true.

bob

Court_1

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May 14, 2017, 9:09:47 AM5/14/17
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On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 7:22:39 AM UTC-4, StephenJ wrote:
> On 5/13/2017 6:31 PM, *skriptis wrote:
> > RaspingDrive <raspin...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> >> On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 1:34:09 PM UTC-4, RzR wrote:
> >>> On 5/13/2017 6:35 PM, RaspingDrive wrote:
> >>>> Federer's 18 is unsafe!
> >>>
> >>> A HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
> >>>
> >>> good one man, i needed a laugh
> >>
> >> You think Nadal can't do a repeat of 2008 and 2010?
> >>
> >
> >
> > If he wins final tomorrow and wins Rome and FO it's his best clay
> > season EVER.
>
> If he wins today, he should skip Rome. Heck if he loses today.

No he should not skip Rome IMO. He could win five out of five clay events for the first time in his career. Plus, the more clay events he wins the more he gets off and builds his momentum going into the FO.

John Liang

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May 14, 2017, 9:29:21 AM5/14/17
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I think he should skip Rome, there is enough match play for Nadal now. He should have a rest until FO, he has enough momentum going into FO. Overplaying the tune ups may not help him and he may loss his edge when they get to RG.

RaspingDrive

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May 14, 2017, 9:36:48 AM5/14/17
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On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 8:01:02 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
> RaspingDrive <raspin...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> > On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 1:34:09 PM UTC-4, RzR wrote:
> >> On 5/13/2017 6:35 PM, RaspingDrive wrote:
> >> > Federer's 18 is unsafe!
> >>
> >> A HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
> >>
> >> good one man, i needed a laugh
> >
> > You think Nadal can't do a repeat of 2008 and 2010?
> >
>
>
> If he wins final tomorrow and wins Rome and FO it's his best clay
> season EVER.
>
> He skipped Barcelona in 2010, to have a rest.
>
> Now 7 years later be plays an ever heavier schedule. ;)

So perhaps he would like to win all the clay events in 2017. In doing so, if something untoward like a defeat happens, his fans should accept it gracefully:)

RaspingDrive

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May 14, 2017, 9:39:42 AM5/14/17
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And more excuses would be on display should he lose the all-important one in early June.

RaspingDrive

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May 14, 2017, 9:40:42 AM5/14/17
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Did you expect him to win so much this year?

RaspingDrive

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May 14, 2017, 9:42:38 AM5/14/17
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bob, your opinion counts for less like TT's. When it is Federer you will say he will romp home with easy wins while Nadal, who continues to be the marauder-in-chief on clay, you will be circumspect.

RaspingDrive

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May 14, 2017, 9:49:34 AM5/14/17
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With an 'out of sorts' Nadal, anything can happen :)

RaspingDrive

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May 14, 2017, 9:51:16 AM5/14/17
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courty and I said way back, the previous evening ....

stephenJ

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May 14, 2017, 9:58:05 AM5/14/17
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Too much risk of injury or getting worn out mentally or physically
before FO, IMO.

RzR

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May 14, 2017, 11:19:52 AM5/14/17
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he had plenty of rest...he is going to get tired

his clay quality was never questioned

bob

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May 14, 2017, 4:16:12 PM5/14/17
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i thought it a month ago...

bob

Whisper

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May 15, 2017, 6:21:57 AM5/15/17
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Rome is a big title though - should have skipped Madrid.


RaspingDrive

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May 15, 2017, 8:28:15 AM5/15/17
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He could get tired, yes. But he also performed to his almost peak level at AO 2017. He could do the same at Wimbledon with a 10th FO title and no expectations.

RaspingDrive

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May 15, 2017, 8:29:15 AM5/15/17
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I knew it after FO 2016, the CGS producing slam.

stephenJ

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May 15, 2017, 8:46:18 AM5/15/17
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Yep, it's the second biggest clay title, and arguably the most historic
non-slam title. Tilden, Hoad, Newcombe, and Laver all won it. I remember
when Agassi won in 2002, he mentioned that it was a relief, that even
after winning the CGS, it was important to him to win the IO, he felt
his resume would have a hole in it without it.

Nadal *should* have skipped Madrid, but of course he's not going to do
that, he's always going to play the two big Spanish clay events.

Well, he did manage to win Madrid, Rome, and the FO in 2010 and 2013, so
maybe one more time? I'm really rooting for him to get #10.

TT

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May 15, 2017, 9:24:11 AM5/15/17
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15.5.2017, 15:46, stephenJ kirjoitti:
>> Rome is a big title though - should have skipped Madrid.
>
> Yep, it's the second biggest clay title, and arguably the most historic
> non-slam title. Tilden, Hoad, Newcombe, and Laver all won it.

1897 Monte Carlo Masters (record 10 titles)
1925 French Open (record 9 titles)
1930 Rome Masters (record 7 titles)
1953 Barcelona Open (record 10 titles)
2002 Madrid Masters (record 5 titles)

stephenJ

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May 15, 2017, 9:48:00 AM5/15/17
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His clay achievements are in another galaxy.

bob

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May 18, 2017, 5:11:32 PM5/18/17
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On Mon, 15 May 2017 05:29:13 -0700 (PDT), RaspingDrive
what were you telling me about fed's motivation to win FO this year?

i accept your apology in advance. like i said, quit being contrary
just cause it's me.

bob

RaspingDrive

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May 18, 2017, 8:42:34 PM5/18/17
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Answered elsewhere.

MBDunc

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May 19, 2017, 1:15:21 AM5/19/17
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Watched some recent Nadal extended highlights... (yesterday's Sock match also)

...and 10th FO should be in his bag barring injuries or miracles like "soderling". Especially when every other realistic contender are ebbing and walkabouting.

Scary good stuff vs Sock (and Sock did play well). The best part was that Nadal was oozing confidence...

.mikko

Patrick Kehoe

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May 19, 2017, 1:25:01 AM5/19/17
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Yes... Rafa looking imperious... and doesn't look at all like he's feeling anything like physical distress or a slow burn down or anything like it... impressive...

Would be something if Rafa won 10th and Federer could win his 8th Wimbledon... of course, should they both fail to do so, that sets up other twists in the current narratives... or one winning and the other NOT winning has other ramifications, either way... so, there are many threads of possibility to try and sort out in the coming month and a half-ish...

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