Re: Trump: 'Patience is over' with North Korean regime - Can anyone blame North Korea for making/building nuclear weapons to protect itself? The threat is not from North Korea. The threat comes from the U.S.

[lo yeeOn]

In article <5fffd20b-b862-465c...@googlegroups.com>,
Resty Wyse <rst0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 10:15:08 PM UTC-7, wakal...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
>> Patience is long over for a peace treaty to formally end a war that
>actually ended 64 years ago.
>>
>> Wakalukong
>
>But it was South Korea who refused to sign to end the war.

Refused to sign? When was the last time a proposal for such was
brought up but refused?

I cannot imagine that if there were a will from the U.S. that South
Korea would be screaming "no, please, no..." against such a treaty
today, given what we have heard about what President Moon wants for
the Korean peninsula.

Indeed, Moon, during his White House visit, was very very careful not
to say anything to give the world the impression that he wasn't in
sync with Trump toward NK but expressed his relief that Trump wasn't
as hawkish or the warmonger some feared him to be.

Moon Jae-in plans to pursue his policy towards North Korea "with
more confidence" following his meeting with Mr Trump in Washington,
according to a government official quoted by Yonhap.

"With regard to our government's resolve to resume South-North
talks, it's true that there was some burden from worries that it may
undermine [international] sanctions on North Korea," he told the
agency.

But after the US President backed Mr Moon's plans for renewed
dialogue those fears appear to have faded, Yonhap reported.

"Noting that sanctions are a tool of diplomacy, the two leaders
emphasised that the door to dialogue with the DPRK remains open
under the right circumstances," read a joint statement following
their summit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/south-korea-confident-north-peace-talk-moon-jae-in-meet-donald-trump-washington-a7819066.html

So, South Korea has always been the junior partner in the US-SK
military alliance, to say it mildly. South Korea has in fact very
little voice in the matter of its relationship to the North. When
G.W. Bush declared NK a part of the axis of evil, the South
immediately chilled its "Sunshine" Rapprochement to the North. And
when Obama wanted it to deploy THAAD, it grudgingly accepted, though
it refused to pay the one billion USD plus annual operating costs.

No, the tens of thousands of US soldiers parked in South Korea are
there because wishes of the US, or more precisely, from Washington,
and certainly not because of the desires of the majority of the south
Koreans.

If President Trump wants to, he can arrange a Camp David like thing
for the Koreans just as President Carter did with the Egyptian and
Israeli heads of state.

We have to stop confronting nations and start innovating again. But
right now, we can't even provide healthcare for our citizens.

Healthcare and education are vital investments any society needs to
make if it aspires to greatness.

What's going on with America right now is: On one hand, we are too
deeply mired in protecting the interests of some groups such as the
military-industrial complex. So the political class is busy spending
way more than what we have. But on the other, the same political
class is protecting big businesses such as the Pharma kings, the
insurance oligarchs, and the healthcare providers which profit on
people's lives - all to make sure that they earn handsomely.

The result is a totally short-sighted, politicized, and distorted
economy, which survives only by circulating more and more fake dollars
- money with dubious values and enforced by dubious means - and by
flexing its military muscles and making the rich and powerful richer
and more powerful.

At this time, it's growing an inevitable economic underclass which is
increasingly rebellious. And the political elite wants to suppress
this growing class by increasingly brute and brutal forces.

Asia is for the Asians and Korea is for the Koreans - north and south
- only. We should withdraw our trooops from South Korea, quit our
sprawling Okinawan bases, and return Bagram to the Afghanistan people.

Let the Asia be Asia, just like President Monroe wanted the Europeans
out of the Americas. And that's the only way forward that will give
humanity a more peaceful world to live in.

You see, if it were up to South Korea, we wouldn't be hearing a need
for NK and the US to negotiate directly. Concerning the South being
always pulled by a puppeteer, we should consult the well- researched
article by Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers:

North Korea and the United States: Will the Real Aggressor Please
Stand Down?

Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers, March 05, 2013

http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/03/05/north-korea-and-the-united-states-will-the-real-aggressor-please-stand-down/

Near the end of World War II, as Japan was weakened, Korean
"People's Committees" formed all over the country and Korean exiles
returned from China, the US and Russia to prepare for independence
and democratic rule. On September 6, 1945, these disparate forces
and representatives of the people's committees proclaimed a Korean
People's Republic (the KPR) with a progressive agenda of land
reform, rent control, an eight-hour work day and minimum wage among
its 27-point program.

But the KPR was prevented from becoming a reality. Instead, after
World War II and without Korean representation, the US quite
arbitrarily decided with Russia, China and England, to divide Korea
into two nations "temporarily" as part of its decolonization.

Cheers!

lo yeeOn

[John Liang]

Hold on the division of North/South Korea had nothing to do with China, it was a deal done by US/Russia. Okinawa should be an independent state, Diaoyu Islands was a disputed territory between China/Japan, US has no right to determine a disputed territory between two nations.