Nadal on Mats' Point
TT
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/mats-wilander/article/277/
Wilander says last USO was best tournament he has seen Nadal play...and
one of the best tournaments he has seen anyone play.
Nadal answers that he started slowly but improved along the way, final
being one of his best matches on HC.
TT
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RFZb2gqwz8
>
> http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/mats-wilander/article/277/
>
First link is nonsense. 2nd link is the Nadal-Wilander clip, it says
works only in uk...but plays back for me as well so...
TT
>
>
> Wilander says last USO was best tournament he has seen Nadal play...and
> one of the best tournaments he has seen anyone play.
Btw, Whisper said the same after which Rodjk concluded that Whisper is a
worthless troll and everyone should ignore him. So maybe we should
ignore Rodjk after all.
> Nadal answers that he started slowly but improved along the way, final
> being one of his best matches on HC.
Of course Nadal is spot on with his analysis. Couple first matches were
probably a slow-ish start (but actually his opponents played inspired
tennis, so...).
I agree and disagree with Wilander, I myself have said that USO probably
was one of highest standard of play on hc ever, and perhaps highest
standard of play for Nadal...except of course he played better on clay
especially in 2008 RG etc.
But as we know that USO would be Nadal's worst slam surface - so he
perhaps played higher or equally high standard for himself as in RG2008
- considering the surface.
And yes, I think the final was at least as high a level as I've ever
seen anyone play on hc.
RzR
> 25.8.2011 11:13, TT kirjoitti:
>>
>> http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/mats-wilander/article/277/
>>
>> Wilander says last USO was best tournament he has seen Nadal
>> play...and one of the best tournaments he has seen anyone play.
>
> Btw, Whisper said the same after which Rodjk concluded that Whisper
> is a worthless troll and everyone should ignore him. So maybe we
> should ignore Rodjk after all.
>
no...we should ignore wilander instead
>> Nadal answers that he started slowly but improved along the way,
>> final being one of his best matches on HC.
>
> Of course Nadal is spot on with his analysis. Couple first matches
> were probably a slow-ish start (but actually his opponents played
> inspired tennis, so...).
>
> I agree and disagree with Wilander, I myself have said that USO
> probably was one of highest standard of play on hc ever, and perhaps
> highest standard of play for Nadal...except of course he played
> better on clay especially in 2008 RG etc.
> But as we know that USO would be Nadal's worst slam surface - so he
> perhaps played higher or equally high standard for himself as in
> RG2008 - considering the surface.
> And yes, I think the final was at least as high a level as I've ever
> seen anyone play on hc.
doped up competitors do not count
TT
if you have nothing to say - stay silent.
felangey
> was one of highest standard of play on hc ever, and perhaps highest
> standard of play for Nadal...except of course he played better on clay
> especially in 2008 RG etc.
> But as we know that USO would be Nadal's worst slam surface - so he
> perhaps played higher or equally high standard for himself as in RG2008 -
> considering the surface.
> And yes, I think the final was at least as high a level as I've ever seen
> anyone play on hc.<
"And one day I will get to meet him......and hug him and skweeeeeeeez him
and kissssssss him and call him George!".
Court_1
Well I am glad the USO 2010 was Nadal's best HC tournament because it
is all downhill from there! Can Nadal defend his first non-clay title
at the USO this year?
A person who is so good on HC's should be able to defend a title no?
drew
>
> http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/mats-wilander/article/277/
>
> Wilander says last USO was best tournament he has seen Nadal play...and
> one of the best tournaments he has seen anyone play.
Wilander is full of crap as usual. This was a great result for Nadal
and one of his best
efforts on HC but probably NOT his best and certainly it was not a
great two weeks for
Nadal...other than the fact that he played well in the final and he
won.
Fact is he had tomato cans to punch holes through for the most
part...bend over thank you
countrymen offered themselves bums up at the net.
To say that is one of the best tournaments he has seen anyone play is
to insult some of the great
tournaments that HAVE been played...for example the USO Edberg won
where he played all of those
tough five setters. Nadal's USO wasn't even close to that kind of
effort.
TT
> On Aug 25, 4:13 am, TT<as...@usenet.org> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RFZb2gqwz8
>>
>> http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/mats-wilander/article/277/
>>
>> Wilander says last USO was best tournament he has seen Nadal play...and
>> one of the best tournaments he has seen anyone play.
>
> Wilander is full of crap as usual. This was a great result for Nadal
> and one of his best
> efforts on HC but probably NOT his best and certainly it was not a
> great two weeks for
> Nadal...other than the fact that he played well in the final and he
> won.
Nadal never served as well. And we know his groundgame, it was on.
>
> Fact is he had tomato cans to punch holes through for the most
> part...bend over thank you
> countrymen offered themselves bums up at the net.
>
Yeah, Verdasco is always very easy. Lopez can't really serve.
> To say that is one of the best tournaments he has seen anyone play is
> to insult some of the great
> tournaments that HAVE been played...for example the USO Edberg won
> where he played all of those
> tough five setters. Nadal's USO wasn't even close to that kind of
> effort.
Yeah, Nadal made it look easy. Lost 1 set.
RzR
nadals tournament was a joke...most cakefuckingwalk draw ever
TT
> On Aug 25, 4:13 am, TT<as...@usenet.org> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RFZb2gqwz8
>>
>> http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/mats-wilander/article/277/
>>
>> Wilander says last USO was best tournament he has seen Nadal play...and
>> one of the best tournaments he has seen anyone play.
>> Nadal answers that he started slowly but improved along the way, final
>> being one of his best matches on HC.
>
> Well I am glad the USO 2010 was Nadal's best HC tournament because it
> is all downhill from there! Can Nadal defend his first non-clay title
> at the USO this year?
He can.
> A person who is so good on HC's should be able to defend a title no?
That should happen at Tokyo at last, after the USO. He kind of defended
Wimbledon anyway.
Most importantly Nadal defended MC 6 times and RG 4. Any idea about the
pressure to win there...or do you need beach pics and coffee leaves to
form an opinion...
Superdave
most CHEATING too. He LOVES to cheat. That's how he wins.
felangey
Good for the game though, eh....having two guys getting a career slam within
a year or two. Had to be done! ;)
Superdave
Nadal is a nobody. He is about to fade into oblivion.
Court_1
What does kind of defended Wimbledon mean? How does one kind of defend
a title? ROFL!
Nadal has never defended a non-clay title. This is one of the greatest
of all time? LMAO! He is one of the greatest clay courters of all
time, no doubt, but he is not a big all surface player, sorry. Not
being able to defend a single non-clay title speaks clearly to that
fact.
LOL at he won MC 6 times. Who gives a crap about that? He needs to win
non-clay slams now to be one of the greatest all around players.
Why is there more pressure for Nadal to win at RG? He owns everybody
on clay and his clay competition has been zilch!
Oh and WTH are coffee leaves? Do you mean tea leaves? Get your hot
beverages straight would you!
John Liang
> 25.8.2011 16:25, Court_1 kirjoitti:
>
> > On Aug 25, 4:13 am, TT<as...@usenet.org> wrote:
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RFZb2gqwz8
>
> >>http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/mats-wilander/article/277/
>
> >> Wilander says last USO was best tournament he has seen Nadal play...and
> >> one of the best tournaments he has seen anyone play.
> >> Nadal answers that he started slowly but improved along the way, final
> >> being one of his best matches on HC.
>
> > Well I am glad the USO 2010 was Nadal's best HC tournament because it
> > is all downhill from there! Can Nadal defend his first non-clay title
> > at the USO this year?
>
> He can.
>
> > A person who is so good on HC's should be able to defend a title no?
>
> That should happen at Tokyo at last, after the USO. He kind of defended
> Wimbledon anyway.
He didn't and he put up a better effort this year at Wimbledon but
still failued.
>
> Most importantly Nadal defended MC 6 times and RG 4. Any idea about the
> pressure to win there...
Who care about MC ?
ahonkan
OK. I will say it for you:
Rafa is the greatest, best, fastest, toughest,
everything-else-est tennis player ever.
I love him and hate everyone who doesn't.
I hate all other tennis players.
Rafa never lost a match when he was not injured.
Winning and defending Masters Series titles, esp
on clay, is the ultimate achievement in tennis.
Winning Monte Carlo 7 times in a row is the
crowning achievement in tennis history.
Any record / achievement not in Rafa's name
is not of any significance (e.g. Masters Cup).
Happy now?
felangey
"Kind of defended"....ya, so he did! Defending a title means you retain the
cup the following year. Not showing up to the tournament is worse than
losing in round 1.
ocea naut
> Nadal has never defended a non-clay title.
>
Not even a mm one.
Javier González
Watch for commentators and media to call Juan Martin Del Potro
"defending champion" instead of Nadal.
felangey
"defending champion" instead of Nadal.<
I am watching for TT saying it! ;)
TT
> On Aug 25, 11:46 am, TT<as...@usenet.org> wrote:
>> 25.8.2011 16:25, Court_1 kirjoitti:
>>
>>> On Aug 25, 4:13 am, TT<as...@usenet.org> wrote:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RFZb2gqwz8
>>
>>>> http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/mats-wilander/article/277/
>>
>>>> Wilander says last USO was best tournament he has seen Nadal play...and
>>>> one of the best tournaments he has seen anyone play.
>>>> Nadal answers that he started slowly but improved along the way, final
>>>> being one of his best matches on HC.
>>
>>> Well I am glad the USO 2010 was Nadal's best HC tournament because it
>>> is all downhill from there! Can Nadal defend his first non-clay title
>>> at the USO this year?
>>
>> He can.
>>
>>> A person who is so good on HC's should be able to defend a title no?
>>
>> That should happen at Tokyo at last, after the USO. He kind of defended
>> Wimbledon anyway.
>>
>> Most importantly Nadal defended MC 6 times and RG 4. Any idea about the
>> pressure to win there...or do you need beach pics and coffee leaves to
>> form an opinion...
>
> What does kind of defended Wimbledon mean? How does one kind of defend
> a title? ROFL!
It means that he didn't play one year - as far as he is concerned, he
was defending his last play there. Or do you think there was less
pressure because he didn't play at all the year before...
>
> Nadal has never defended a non-clay title. This is one of the greatest
> of all time? LMAO! He is one of the greatest clay courters of all
> time, no doubt, but he is not a big all surface player, sorry. Not
> being able to defend a single non-clay title speaks clearly to that
> fact.
>
The argument with defending titles is that it creates you more pressure
because you're supposed to win. Now as your argument is that Nadal sucks
outside clay that leads to conclusion that he's not expected to win
there. Hence no pressure defending titles outside clay. No pressure
defending a title => no importance with defending a title => no argument
for you
> LOL at he won MC 6 times. Who gives a crap about that? He needs to win
> non-clay slams now to be one of the greatest all around players.
He won MC 7 times in a row, defended it 6 times. He is already one of
the greatest all-rounders, one of the youngest career slammers and
having at least 2 major titles on each surface..better than your
bignosed idol...
Not defending some Mickey Mouse tournament on hc won't change that.
>
> Why is there more pressure for Nadal to win at RG? He owns everybody
> on clay and his clay competition has been zilch!
>
There's more pressure on clay because he's expected to win. You think
Federer is zilch clay competition? Hahaha. I guess he's not an
all-rounder then either!
> Oh and WTH are coffee leaves? Do you mean tea leaves? Get your hot
> beverages straight would you!
Got me there. You seem to be well versed in secrets of fortune telling
as with the science of beach picture analysis.
TT
> Who care about MC ?
The pressure to defend is highest there for him, higher than for anyone
ever in open era - he's the only player to win 7 titles in a row.
And added to that - it's bo3 which makes handling the pressure and
defending even tougher.
TT
Say it so that you mean it!
TT
He is defending champion in his own mind. Then again, after such a crap
year he might not be.
Javier González
Yeah, nice skating around the issue. Do YOU think he is the defending
champion and not Nadal?
TT
Nadal is the official defending champion while Delpo is still defending
his title as well, in his own right.
The question is does Delpo FEEL like he is one, does he have pressure
from it.
Nadal certainly had in 2010...reporters writing that he had not lost a
match there since 2007. That's the supposed johnliang point, pressure.
TT
>>>
>>>> On Aug 26, 9:48 am, "felangey"<th...@thisplace.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> He kind of defended Wimbledon anyway<
>>>
>>>>> "Kind of defended"....ya, so he did! Defending a title means you
>>>>> retain the
>>>>> cup the following year. Not showing up to the tournament is worse than
>>>>> losing in round 1.
>>>
>>>> Watch for commentators and media to call Juan Martin Del Potro
>>>> "defending champion" instead of Nadal.
>>>
>>> He is defending champion in his own mind. Then again, after such a crap
>>> year he might not be.
>>
>> Yeah, nice skating around the issue. Do YOU think he is the defending
>> champion and not Nadal?
>
> Nadal is the official defending champion while Delpo is still defending
> his title as well, in his own right.
>
> The question is does Delpo FEEL like he is one, does he have pressure
> from it.
> Nadal certainly had in 2010...reporters writing that he had not lost a
> match there since 2007. That's the supposed johnliang point, pressure.
However...one can counter that argument about pressure with the fact
that if you won a title last year - you have confidence to combat that
pressure...and perhaps even more importantly your it brings pressure for
your opponents to beat the defending champion.
So maybe defending a title is not that a big deal after all.
ocea naut
> So maybe defending a title is not that a big deal after all.
Yeah but winning only clay titles this year is a big deal for Nadal.
It's as if he is going backwards and now is a clay specialist and
nothing more.
Osama Bin Ladetorest
So can we consider him a clay court specialist who got lucky on grass/
hc in a clown era when Federer himself was playing like a clown? ;-)
ocea naut
And Nadal is now playing like a clown(losing to Dodig!) and Nole is
that one who got lucky and has this streak because he plays in a clown
era that started in 2011.
Court_1
> 26.8.2011 18:39, TT kirjoitti:
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> > 26.8.2011 18:28, Javier Gonz lez kirjoitti:
> >> On Aug 26, 12:26 pm, TT<as...@usenet.org> wrote:
> >>> 26.8.2011 16:50, Javier Gonz lez kirjoitti:
>
> >>>> On Aug 26, 9:48 am, "felangey"<th...@thisplace.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>> He kind of defended Wimbledon anyway<
>
> >>>>> "Kind of defended"....ya, so he did! Defending a title means you
> >>>>> retain the
> >>>>> cup the following year. Not showing up to the tournament is worse than
> >>>>> losing in round 1.
>
> >>>> Watch for commentators and media to call Juan Martin Del Potro
> >>>> "defending champion" instead of Nadal.
>
> >>> He is defending champion in his own mind. Then again, after such a crap
> >>> year he might not be.
>
> >> Yeah, nice skating around the issue. Do YOU think he is the defending
> >> champion and not Nadal?
>
> > Nadal is the official defending champion while Delpo is still defending
> > his title as well, in his own right.
>
> > The question is does Delpo FEEL like he is one, does he have pressure
> > from it.
> > Nadal certainly had in 2010...reporters writing that he had not lost a
> > match there since 2007. That's the supposed johnliang point, pressure.
>
>
>
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But it IS a big deal. The greats defend titles multiple times on all
surfaces.