National embarrassment for India

[soccerfan777]

India lose to Pakistan in the Champions Trophy final by a whopping 180 runs. Major ass whooping.... bwhahahahahahaha... It was watched by record number of Indians.

India has invested too much into this garbage sport. Too many overpaid, ungrateful, mediocre talent divas out there. We were so good in field hockey before the 80s. Ever since we won the cricket world cup in 1983 we have forgotten all sports and just focused on cricket.

India used to good in Soccer and Tennis as well. Time to get rid of Cricket and get into Field Hockey, Soccer, Tennis or <insert any other sport here>

[Guypers]

No, pukis are better cricket players, better fast bowling, Indian boweling is shit!

[soccerfan777]

And yet the Pukeys never beat us in the World Cup and got thrashed every time.

It's just the current crop of Indian players are overpriced divas. Nothing else!

We had a good team when we world cup in 1983 a d 2011

[Guypers]

Kohli is an arrogant shit, should have batted first and won by 150 runs!

[soccerfan777]

India had never been good at chasing

[SliceAndDice]

Why? It's just a sport. The cricket team should not do the sole representation of Indian sporting pride. For example, India trashed Pakistan 7-1 in hockey today and Srikanth Kidambi won the Indonesian Grand Prix in badminton (India is becoming a badminton superpower, nice to see as it is huge in Asia). So overall, a pretty good day for Indian sports.

[Shakes]

Don't know about Pak being better cricket players as of current standing, but I do agree that Pakistan have always had better bowlers than India. Mainly thanks to Imran Khan.

[*skriptis]

soccerfan777 <zepf...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> India lose to Pakistan in the Champions Trophy final by a whopping 180 runs. Major ass whooping.... bwhahahahahahaha... It was watched by record number of Indians.
>
> India has invested too much into this garbage sport. Too many overpaid, ungrateful, mediocre talent divas out there. We were so good in field hockey before the 80s. Ever since we won the cricket world cup in 1983 we have forgotten all sports and just focused on cricket.
>
> India used to good in Soccer and Tennis as well. Time to get rid of Cricket and get into Field Hockey, Soccer, Tennis or <insert any other sport here>
>

India should probably have more national teams, similarly to UK
where England, Wales, Ireland and Ireland compete separately in
football etc.

In India people don't even speak the same language. How can their
athletes even communicate?

A national team representing over billion people that speak
different languages? Sounds like a joke.

Chineese are at least monocultural nation and vast majority of
them speak the same language.

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[soccerfan777]

Man...wtf is wrong with you. We Indians are all Indians. Doesn't matter what culture we follow what language we speak or what religion we follow or not follow.

We can communicate with each other we mingle with each other and celebrate each other festivals and weddings. The unity in diversity is what makes Indians great and unique among other nations.

We have like 100 languages and 5000 dialects a d we have so many religions in India.

*dipshit, you come from a nation Yugoslavia which split into many nations in a brutal fashion. I don't expect dipshits like you to understand the concept and mingling with other cultures. You are by far the most backward thinking scumbags i have ever seen. It's people like who give rise to fascists and dictators who know the concept of divide and conquer and abuse it.

[Shakes]

This is the second time I've seen Kohli crack under pressure. He also didn't perform well in the last World Cup SF against Australia.

First off, having won the toss, he should've chosen to bat first.

[SliceAndDice]

LOL..no holding back Raja!

[*skriptis]

soccerfan777 <zepf...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> Man...wtf is wrong with you. We Indians are all Indians. Doesn't matter what culture we follow what language we speak or what religion we follow or not follow.

Haven't you claimed in some other instances you're an American?
I'm confused now.

> We can communicate with each other we mingle with each other and celebrate each other festivals and weddings. The unity in diversity is what makes Indians great and unique among other nations.

You don't see how funny that sounds?
In many ways, diversity is weakness, not a strength. It's not
something entirely bad, but it has its upsides and
downsides.
So, saying it's a strength is retarded, simply not true.

What kind of strength are we talking about if you can't even
communicate to a person you're supposed to do something together
with?

In the Bible, you can find a tale of tower of Babel. You ever
heard of that and what does it say?

You seem very uneducated and then aggressive and rude when exposed
to facts or presented with certain different views.


The reasons e.g. America became most powerful world nation are,
certain values, huge territory and resources, plus single
culture. One language that facilitates, well, progress and unity.
E pluribus unum, out of many identities, one is forged.


That's different from the diversity the modern leftists advocate,
when they advocate it as a strength.

> We have like 100 languages and 5000 dialects a d we have so many religions in India.

Yes. That's an administrative challenge.

> *dipshit, you come from a nation Yugoslavia which split into many nations in a brutal fashion. I don't expect dipshits like you to understand the concept and mingling with other cultures. You are by far the most backward thinking scumbags i have ever seen. It's people like who give rise to fascists and dictators who know the concept of divide and conquer and abuse it.

It was not that brutal really, compared to ww2 or our earlier
history when we fought against various invaders that enslaved and
killed us. This was actually the only time ever we fought amongst
ourselves. In our case it was really, only about states' rights.
:)

So do don't lecture me about civil wars, and state breakups, as
much as you've heard of Yugoslavia I've heard of India and
Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Tamil Tigers. Wars happen.



And I didn't propose Indians wage civil war you imbecile, I
suggested trying British model of national teams. Britain is
still one nation, but has more teams.

How dumb can you be? Really?


There's a bigger case for India to have more national teams than
it's for Britain. After all, whole Britain speak English, and is
very small.

In India's case, even ignoring the lack of common language and
culture, it's also incredibly impractical to e.g. train or make a
football/soccer team out of billion people, in a huge country,
size of a continent and with different climates.



India is better compared to Europe as a whole, not to Britain.
Indian national team, makes as much sense as an European national
team. What would it look like if Europe was a single team? Weird.
Who would support it? The fans enjoy to support their teams and
players that belong to their cultural and linguistic group.

With players from different nations, of different mentality,
communicating among themselves in foreign language.

Unlikely they'd see much success.


Austria is ok for certain sports, like skiing, but they don't have
much love for e.g. water polo, like Mediterranean countries.
Greeks and Lithuanians are crazy about basketball, Czechs like
ice hockey, Scandinavians like handball etc. Football being big
pretty much everywhere.


So everyone excell at something. They organize themselves in
sports they're good at and which interest them.


It might be not so good for national unity in India but team
sports would see much more success, more growth and more medals
and prizes overall. You complained about lack of success.


And it's just a thought from me, I don't care really.

[Bharath Purohit]

People still give a shit about Cricket?

[arahim]

There is the Ryder Cup which is Europe vs USA.

[arahim]

On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 3:30:02 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
> soccerfan777 <zepf...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> > India lose to Pakistan in the Champions Trophy final by a whopping 180 runs. Major ass whooping.... bwhahahahahahaha... It was watched by record number of Indians.
> >
> > India has invested too much into this garbage sport. Too many overpaid, ungrateful, mediocre talent divas out there. We were so good in field hockey before the 80s. Ever since we won the cricket world cup in 1983 we have forgotten all sports and just focused on cricket.
> >
> > India used to good in Soccer and Tennis as well. Time to get rid of Cricket and get into Field Hockey, Soccer, Tennis or <insert any other sport here>
> >
>
>
> India should probably have more national teams, similarly to UK
> where England, Wales, Ireland and Ireland compete separately in
> football etc.
>

They also have separate cricket teams but players from Ireland and Scotland can play on the England team. The current England captain Eoin Morgan started his international career for Ireland.

[arahim]

On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 6:30:03 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:

> soccerfan777 <zepf...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> > Man...wtf is wrong with you. We Indians are all Indians. Doesn't matter what culture we follow what language we speak or what religion we follow or not follow.
>
>
> Haven't you claimed in some other instances you're an American?
> I'm confused now.
>
>
>
> > We can communicate with each other we mingle with each other and celebrate each other festivals and weddings. The unity in diversity is what makes Indians great and unique among other nations.
>
>
> You don't see how funny that sounds?
> In many ways, diversity is weakness, not a strength. It's not
> something entirely bad, but it has its upsides and
> downsides.
> So, saying it's a strength is retarded, simply not true.
>
> What kind of strength are we talking about if you can't even
> communicate to a person you're supposed to do something together
> with?
>

This often happens with coaches of national teams who are hired from outside. The current Pakistani cricket head coach Mickey Arthur does not speak Urdu as far as I know and some players on the team do not speak English and some speak very little of it. Certainly many on the domestic circuit (among whom Arthur must evaluate during training sessions and camps) do not speak English. There are translators.

[*skriptis]

arahim <arahim...@hotmail.com> Wrote in message:

> On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 6:30:03 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
>> soccerfan777 <zepf...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>> > Man...wtf is wrong with you. We Indians are all Indians. Doesn't matter what culture we follow what language we speak or what religion we follow or not follow.
>>
>>
>> Haven't you claimed in some other instances you're an American?
>> I'm confused now.
>>
>>
>>
>> > We can communicate with each other we mingle with each other and celebrate each other festivals and weddings. The unity in diversity is what makes Indians great and unique among other nations.
>>
>>
>> You don't see how funny that sounds?
>> In many ways, diversity is weakness, not a strength. It's not
>> something entirely bad, but it has its upsides and
>> downsides.
>> So, saying it's a strength is retarded, simply not true.
>>
>> What kind of strength are we talking about if you can't even
>> communicate to a person you're supposed to do something together
>> with?
>>
>
> This often happens with coaches of national teams who are hired from outside. The current Pakistani cricket head coach Mickey Arthur does not speak Urdu as far as I know and some players on the team do not speak English and some speak very little of it. Certainly many on the domestic circuit (among whom Arthur must evaluate during training sessions and camps) do not speak English. There are translators.

Imagine is uncle Toni had to use service of a translator during a
match to coach Nadal from the stands. Would it work?

:)

[arahim]

On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 1:14:16 PM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
> India had never been good at chasing

India is better at chasing in general

India's win/loss when batting first is 0.975 ie they lose a bit more than they win when not chasing.
Team Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L
India 429 200 205 4 20 0.975

When chasing Win/loss is 1.316
Team Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L
India 483 262 199 3 19 1.316

If they also happen to win the toss (as they did in the final) the chasing win/loss is even higher at 1.436
Team Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L
India 261 148 103 1 9 1.436


When Kohli is in the team, they win the toss and chase the win/loss is 2.187
Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L
India 2010-2017 53 35 16 1 1 2.187



When Kohli is captain, they win the toss and chase (as in this game) the win/loss is 3.0
Team Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L
India 12 9 3 0 0 3.000

When Kohli is captain, they win the toss and chase in England (as in this game, India had won both games (before this one)
Team Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L
India 3 2 1 0 0 2.000

When Kohli is captain, batting first in England India had one win and one loss.

The loss earlier against Sri Lanka in this tournament when Sri Lanka hauled over 322 the highest run chase by Sri Lanka and the highest in a Champions trophy match must have been somewhat on Kohli's mind when he chose to bowl (among other things).

Gaguly was suggesting both India or Pakistan will chase if they win the toss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwXqCpoSpYw

The conventional wisdom was that the captain winning the toss will chase. In fact many commentators thought Pakistan would have no chance if not chasing.


But India are worse at chasing Pakistan (They lose either chasing or not, more to Pakistan but when chasing it's even worse).

Against Pakistan India's win/loss is 0.712
Overall figures
Team Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L
India 129 52 73 0 4 0.712

When chasing against Pakistan, India's win/loss falls to 0.675
Team Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L
India 70 27 40 0 3 0.675

It's even worse when they win the toss and chase against Pakistan. They lose twice as often as they win
Team Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L
India 36 11 22 0 3 0.500