Why hasn't WADA caught Djokovic of blood doping?
TT
using Epo. Wada should have caught him about blood doping. Is it a cover
up by ATP again?
felangey
Mallorca, one way trying to recover faster for his injuries etc." - TT
Same reason they haven't caught Nadal for using the same....or for illegal
knee rehabilitation treatment....or why Nadal's involvement in the whole
Fuentes case was swept under the carpet?
drew
> "Don't be fooled by the marketing pitch. Rafa too has one of those at
> Mallorca, one way trying to recover faster for his injuries etc." - TT
>
> Same reason they haven't caught Nadal for using the same....or for illegal
> knee rehabilitation treatment....
His platelet treatment is not banned.
RzR
you mean covered up like in the case of nadal?
TT
> "Don't be fooled by the marketing pitch. Rafa too has one of those at
> Mallorca, one way trying to recover faster for his injuries etc." - TT
>
I already said I was incorrect about that, nadal doesn't have one of those.
> or for illegal
> knee rehabilitation treatment....
Nothing illegal about it.
> or why Nadal's involvement in the whole
> Fuentes case was swept under the carpet?
>
There was no involvement.
You're a lying sack of shit, felangey.
TT
Hey lying sack of felangey - why don't you answer the question, why has
Djokovic not been caught of blood doping!
Or is there some personal motive for you to dance around this issue?
felangey
> those<
You were wrong....yowsa!
>Nothing illegal about it<
Exactly. And yet it involves an external blood treatment....spinning blood
to remove plasma and reinjecting to benefit the area with the secreted
platelet growth factors. Now if that isn't dodgy to you, stfu about someone
sitting in a little pressurised egg.
> There was no involvement.
Of course there was....I suspect we will here what went on in the fullness
of time.
felangey
>>knee rehabilitation treatment....
>His platelet treatment is not banned.
I was provoking. :) Extracting blood and spinning it to separate plasma in
order to concentrate growth factors....then reinjecting is *fiiiiine* to TT.
Sitting in a plastic vaccum egg is *wrooonnng*.
felangey
> Djokovic not been caught of blood doping!
....erm....because he hasn't been blood doping one would assume? Do you have
evidence to the contrary?
drew
>
> Hey lying sack of felangey - why don't you answer the question, why has
> Djokovic not been caught of blood doping!
Because he's not blood doping, you nimrod. At least not with the
chamber. You know this.
YOu're just being a bitter knob because Nadal is fading out. Shit
happens.
undecided
TT
>> I already said I was incorrect about that, nadal doesn't have one of
>> those<
>
> You were wrong....yowsa!
>
>> Nothing illegal about it<
>
> Exactly. And yet it involves an external blood treatment....spinning blood
> to remove plasma and reinjecting to benefit the area with the secreted
> platelet growth factors. Now if that isn't dodgy to you, stfu about someone
> sitting in a little pressurised egg.
>
You're not informed. And "dodgy" is purely subjective, nothing to do
with facts.
TT
There's nothing in common with injury treatment and blood doping/epo,
the purpose and effect are quite different.
TT
But he should have been caught for blood doping if this thing is twice
as effective as the actual doping.
Or did he tell WADA:
"I'm not using more EPO than anyone ever did - I've been sitting in an egg"
felangey
About what? Inform me...
>And "dodgy" is purely subjective, nothing to do with facts<
I am clearly talking about personal moral distinctions....and dodgy is very
much a word thet belongs in that arena. You are making a judgment on one
legal treatment because the guy receiving it has been crushing your
idol....yet are in full acceptance of other treatments, considered
borderline by some, because they benefit your idol. It is the story of your
relationship with Mr Nadal. Selective blindness.....fanboism.....call it
what you will.
Like the way people you assert that the field always choked against
Fed....whereas last night with a substantial lead in 2 of the 3 sets....and
many set points in each....Golubev simply lost because 'Nadal raised his
level when it counted'.
Food for thought:
O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
R.Burns
TT
> On Aug 31, 10:32 am, TT<as...@usenet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey lying sack of felangey - why don't you answer the question, why has
>> Djokovic not been caught of blood doping!
>
>
> Because he's not blood doping, you nimrod.
Effects are the same, or even more pronounced.
Maybe this egg thing is a cover up for his MASSIVE EPO intakes, or maybe
it actually works twice as well as doing EPO like a madman.
The results can be seen and they're not of a fair athlete. Nobody
changes like that.
drew
>
> There's nothing in common with injury treatment and blood doping/epo,
> the purpose and effect are quite different.
The application of the technology may be quite different but the
procedure
is quite similar.
felangey
> as effective as the actual doping.<
Why?
undecided
TT
>> You're not informed<
>
> About what? Inform me...
>
>> And "dodgy" is purely subjective, nothing to do with facts<
>
> I am clearly talking about personal moral distinctions....and dodgy is very
> much a word thet belongs in that arena. You are making a judgment on one
> legal treatment because the guy receiving it has been crushing your
> idol....yet are in full acceptance of other treatments, considered
> borderline by some, because they benefit your idol. It is the story of your
> relationship with Mr Nadal. Selective blindness.....fanboism.....call it
> what you will.
If that indeed is cause for Djoker's metamorphosis to superhuman, yes it
should be banned.
But who do you it's that, he's probably using it as an excuse for his
EPO use. Hey Wada...I've been just sitting in an egg...it only LOOKS
like I've been doing more EPO than anyone ever.
>
> Like the way people you assert that the field always choked against
> Fed....whereas last night with a substantial lead in 2 of the 3 sets....and
> many set points in each....Golubev simply lost because 'Nadal raised his
> level when it counted'.
I'm not surprised at all that my comment went over your head. It was
sarcasm and the target was YOUR double standards! You dumb fucker always
said that "Federer raised his level when it mattered", when in fact his
opponents choked big time.
TT
Abnormal increase of red blood cells.
Mormon Mitt
same methodology as Djoko.
drew
You could use some more oxygen in your red blood cells. It might
stimulate the function of some dormant grey matter.
drew
Because hyperbaric chambers (and this is essentially a modified
hyperbaric chamber) are legal.
Lots of athletes use them.
TT
I guess felangey would need that even more, as I just had to explain
this basic matter to him.
Vlado
You are going off of the deep end and you used to be someone I thought
was reasonable.
I don't think that thing in the article does anything and sound more
like plain marketing.
Why not enjoy tennis instead?
I liked Nole Rafa matches even when Rafa was dominating and I haven't
seen you accuse Fed
of doping even though he never retired.
TT
Why is EPO not legal?
Wile E.
That sounds like sour grapes on your part, given your man has only
beaten Nadal twice since they've been playing.
Nadal has played tennis the same from the time he was very young, from
pre-teen and up, much more than his counter-part Federer. They refer
to Federer as a "late-bloomer", so what does that make Djokovic? A
very very late bloomer?
Nadal not only looked in control as a youngster pre-teen, he had the
finesse that a much older person would have. Nadal has been
consistent.
In Federer's youngster days he was very jerky, he had no control, no
finesse.
In especially Djokovic's case, he has gone from night to day.
Not making a judgement, but the difference is significant in a very
short time.
Vlado
how so when Nole won his first slam at 20 and masters at 19?
He wasted 2 years by outside issues but he has been there all along.
drew
Because it is invasive? Fucked if I know. You're talking to the
wrong guy. I want it all legalized.
There are probably 10 derivative drugs for every known banned one and
god knows how many experimental procedures that
only a rich athlete, movie star, fat person or cancer victim would
subject themselves to if it meant success, beauty, weight loss
or a few more months of life on this troubled planet.
If you think you're going to catch the big fish cheating just consider
how the law works for the rich compared to how it serves the poor.
You're just making
it harder for the journeyman to compete. He'll be the one caught with
the cheap drugs in his piss after consulting with some putz who
studied
chemistry in his hometown and promised him a masking agent made from
Kool Aid and baking soda while Nadal and Federer and Murray have their
own
private pharmacist...hell, their own private doctor and travelling
pharmacy.
TT
Above post equals conceding the point.
felangey
Define abnormal? Sounds like it increases red blood cells exactly the same
way someone at high altitude experiences. Should tennis players be banned
from climbing mountains?
Also, ice baths should be banned? All the players use them....but they
"abnormally" stimulate muscle repair...and "abnormally" reduce swelling.
felangey
> basic matter to him.
No, rather you just further confirmed my doubts about you.
TT
>> Abnormal increase of red blood cells<
>
> Define abnormal? Sounds like it increases red blood cells exactly the same
> way someone at high altitude experiences.
My use of "abnormal increase" refers to quantity.
> Should tennis players be banned
> from climbing mountains?
>
High altitude doesn't result to twice the result of blood doping.
Although it might be a nice excuse for using EPO:
"At high altitudes, there is a decrease in oxygen hemoglobin saturation.
In order to compensate for this, erythropoietin (EPO), a hormone
secreted by the kidneys, stimulates red blood cell production from bone
marrow in order to increase hemoglobin saturation and oxygen delivery"
> Also, ice baths should be banned? All the players use them....but they
> "abnormally" stimulate muscle repair...and "abnormally" reduce swelling.
>
That's dumb.
felangey
How much does it result in?
>> Also, ice baths should be banned? All the players use them....but they
>> "abnormally" stimulate muscle repair...and "abnormally" reduce swelling.
>>
> That's dumb.
How so? You are proposing the banning of stimulation by atmospherics to aid
performance and recovery. Bottom line is, you can bleat on all you want
about it being unfair....but how are you proposing that it is policed? Seems
impossible.
Also, as someone who has used every single advantage....from snowshoe
racquets, custom strings, cutting edge medical treatments, on-court
gamesmanship, hyperbarics etc....you can bet your bottom dollar that if this
thing is any good, Nadal will be using it. Toni has left no stone unturned
where it comes to maximising Nadal's advantage.
bob
wrote:
yes, this has been talked about for many yrs with cyclists, usa
football players who play a lot at altitude, etc..surprised more
tennis players have't done this earlier, btw.
bob
TT
Actually Djoker's egg is quite different from hyperbaric chamber, it
uses vacuum while hyperbaric chamber uses high pressure. So it's exactly
the opposite.
Patrick Kehoe
Drug restrictions in athletics (the practice of screening and
defaulting athletes from competition began as an Olympic censure in
the 1960s) was instituted in an era when the MYTH of the pure, amateur
athlete was still publically held, when only governments could affort
'programmic' systems for CHEATING (steroids for massive muscle growth
and injury recovery, blood dooping cycles for endurance athletes AND
transgendering masks for cross over athletes)... 45 years later the
entire logistical, financial and ethlical malestrom that IS athletic
performance enhancements is, for all practical purposes, beyond
COMPLETE MONITORING... so the question has become WHAT EXACTLY IS
BEING SAFEGUARDED... the appearence of fairness, the myth of personal
integrity, the ideal of sportsmanship within elite competition???
HARDLY...
P
bob
i'll read on teh details, haven't looked at it yet.
bob
TT
TennisLady
used a similar device 25 years ago for his bad knee. Besides, the egg
which you have to sit in 2-3 times a week was in Alpine New Jersey
when Djok was in Davis Cup, Australia, California, Miami, Madrid Rome,
London.
PS I say they ban the egg so everyone can be happy.
drew
so the question has become WHAT EXACTLY IS
> BEING SAFEGUARDED... the appearence of fairness, the myth of personal
> integrity, the ideal of sportsmanship within elite competition???
>
> HARDLY...
Apparently old myths die hard. As with so many of these agencies set
up to save us from
some perceived threat, I am more convinced than ever that this is just
another unnecessary,
parasitic organization hell-bent on safeguarding their own existence
by preserving myths and
feeding fears.
Heaven forbid we should promote education and individual
responsibility rather than more
regulation.
TT
The egg is just an excuse for his improved performance, as is
gluten-free diet. The real reason is EPO.
jdeluise
On 31-Aug-2011, TT <as...@usenet.org> wrote:
> The egg is just an excuse for his improved performance, as is
> gluten-free diet. The real reason is EPO.
So no reason to ban the "egg".
TT
Flo-Jo died at 38. Would you prefer athletes killing themselves for
greediness?
TT
Can be used as an excuse for extremely high EPO levels.
felangey
And what are his EPO levels?
RzR
> 31.8.2011 17:34, drew kirjoitti:
>> On Aug 31, 10:32 am, TT<as...@usenet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey lying sack of felangey - why don't you answer the question, why has
>>> Djokovic not been caught of blood doping!
>>
>>
>> Because he's not blood doping, you nimrod.
>
> Effects are the same, or even more pronounced.
>
> Maybe this egg thing is a cover up for his MASSIVE EPO intakes, or maybe
> it actually works twice as well as doing EPO like a madman.
>
> The results can be seen and they're not of a fair athlete. Nobody
> changes like that.
all i can say is HA HA HA HA HA HA choke on it
fed beat this egg space capsule from the future because he KNOWS tennis,
and NO ENHANCEMENT DRUG can teach someone how to play
on the other hand, nadals tennis is utter crap, and all he does is chase
down the ball and plays it back endlessly, so 90% physical conditioning,
and 10% tennis, but we have been over that already
nadal is finished...
TT
>> Can be used as an excuse for extremely high EPO levels<
>
> And what are his EPO levels?
>
>
Irrelevant to what I said.
If the machine is claimed to have double the effect of blood doping then
it certainly raises EPO levels to extremely high as well - thus it can
be used as an cover up for EPO use:
"At high altitudes, there is a decrease in oxygen hemoglobin saturation.
In order to compensate for this, erythropoietin (EPO), a hormone
secreted by the kidneys, stimulates red blood cell production from bone
marrow in order to increase hemoglobin saturation and oxygen delivery."
RzR
> 31.8.2011 17:38, felangey kirjoitti:
>>> Hey lying sack of felangey - why don't you answer the question, why has
>>> Djokovic not been caught of blood doping!
>>
>>
>> you have
>> evidence to the contrary?
>>
>>
>
> But he should have been caught for blood doping if this thing is twice
> as effective as the actual doping.
lol, you are really dumb, arent you?
what prevents other athletes to do the same thing?
RzR
>> Can be used as an excuse for extremely high EPO levels<
>
> And what are his EPO levels?
>
>
LMAO
its like 5 djoker EPO vs 0 nad EPO :D
RzR
>
>
>> Also, ice baths should be banned? All the players use them....but they
>> "abnormally" stimulate muscle repair...and "abnormally" reduce swelling.
>>
>
> That's dumb.
>
>
lol
its helping body regenerate just like the egg
they should outlaw any kind of therapy too...starting with plasma
injections into tendons
RzR
> 31.8.2011 17:36, felangey kirjoitti:
>>> I already said I was incorrect about that, nadal doesn't have one of
>>> those<
>>
>> You were wrong....yowsa!
>>
>>> Nothing illegal about it<
>>
>> Exactly. And yet it involves an external blood treatment....spinning
>> blood
>> to remove plasma and reinjecting to benefit the area with the secreted
>> platelet growth factors. Now if that isn't dodgy to you, stfu about
>> someone
>> sitting in a little pressurised egg.
>>
>
> You're not informed. And "dodgy" is purely subjective, nothing to do
> with facts.
as soon as the blood is out of the body, it should be
discarded...everything else that has to do with putting it back into the
body should be illegal
case closed
TT
> and all he does is chase down the ball and plays it back endlessly, so
> 90% physical conditioning, and 10% tennis,
Yes, that's Dkoker's game in an egg shell. (pun intended)
TT
> what prevents other athletes to do the same thing?
You're TRULY dumb, aren't you?
RzR
like i said, that shit isnt doping, and its available to everyone.
RzR
> 31.8.2011 17:37, felangey kirjoitti:
>>>> Same reason they haven't caught Nadal for using the same....or for
>>>> illegal
>>>> knee rehabilitation treatment....
>>
>>> His platelet treatment is not banned.
>>
>> I was provoking. :) Extracting blood and spinning it to separate
>> plasma in
>> order to concentrate growth factors....then reinjecting is *fiiiiine*
>> to TT.
>> Sitting in a plastic vaccum egg is *wrooonnng*.
>>
>>
>
> There's nothing in common with injury treatment and blood doping/epo,
> the purpose and effect are quite different.
LOL
without the technology, djoker stil competes fine...nadal on the other
hand is FINISHED, cant walk
TT
Available to everyone, with 75,000 USD pricetag...right. Jesse Huta
Galung must be really happy to know this.
jdeluise
On 31-Aug-2011, TT <as...@usenet.org> wrote:
> Available to everyone, with 75,000 USD pricetag...right. Jesse Huta
> Galung must be really happy to know this.
It's a pretty great ROI if it helped him win two slams this year.
TT
But you said it's all because he's gluten-free? So were you wrong perhaps?
RzR
maybe jesse needs to get a couple of friends together...they can
alternate in using it
jdeluise
On 31-Aug-2011, TT <as...@usenet.org> wrote:
> But you said it's all because he's gluten-free? So were you wrong perhaps?
Did I say that? I believe I said that we shouldn't underestimate going
gluten-free, especially if he is somewhat allergic to it.
TT
Same thing, considering the context.
So it's so far:
Gluten-free diet
Sports psychology
Space Egg
Maybe:
Acupuncture
Alchemy
Astrology
Creationism
Mud baths
Scientology
Witchcraft
Divine intervention
Phrenology
Tai Chi
Daffy's elixir
Spinach
But definitely not EPO, that's just nonsense.
RzR
> 31.8.2011 23:13, jdeluise kirjoitti:
>> On 31-Aug-2011, TT<as...@usenet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> But you said it's all because he's gluten-free? So were you wrong
>>> perhaps?
>>
>> Did I say that? I believe I said that we shouldn't underestimate going
>> gluten-free, especially if he is somewhat allergic to it.
>
> Same thing, considering the context.
>
> So it's so far:
>
> Gluten-free diet
> Space Egg
>
if he had problems with this, then this is enough by far
only federer can stop that monster
Court_1
>
>
>
>
>
> > 31.8.2011 17:16, felangey kirjoitti:
> >> "Don't be fooled by the marketing pitch. Rafa too has one of those at
> >> Mallorca, one way trying to recover faster for his injuries etc." - TT
>
> > I already said I was incorrect about that, nadal doesn't have one of those.
>
> >> or for illegal
> >> knee rehabilitation treatment....
>
>
> >> or why Nadal's involvement in the whole
> >> Fuentes case was swept under the carpet?
>
> > There was no involvement.
>
> > You're a lying sack of shit, felangey.
>
> Hey lying sack of felangey - why don't you answer the question, why has
> Djokovic not been caught of blood doping!
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
TT shut up! If Djokovic is using PED's he is not the first and he
won't be the last person to do so.
The ATP and the sponsors of the top players cover any failed drug
tests up. Tennis is HUGE money. Do you not get this concept? I would
imagine flunking drug tests for these top players is like breathing
air--i.e. happens all the time.
Court_1
> "Don't be fooled by the marketing pitch. Rafa too has one of those at
> Mallorca, one way trying to recover faster for his injuries etc." - TT
>
> Fuentes case was swept under the carpet?
Right! Nadal misses playing Wimbledon a couple of years ago due to an
apparent "knee injury" and personal issues due to his mom and dad's
divorce. Give me a break! This is Wimbledon, the most prestigious
tournament in the world. No player would miss playing Wimbledon unless
they were hit by a bus! Nadal was facing a suspension due to a failed
drug test. Any person with a brain can figure that out!
uly...@mscomm.com
of TT's masturbatory God, Nadal, this thread wouldn't exist.
FACT: The egg isn't illegal.
FACT: Djoker whipped Nadal's ass big time in 5 finals this year.
Get over it, TT. Your Spanish matador is toast. He'll end his career
with 10 slams and Roger will have 16 or more. Life goes on. But since
TT has no life aside from RST, this "egg thing" is her newest
obsession.
Court_1
It is just so stupid. A Nadal worshipper claiming Djokovic has an
unfair advantage due to drug use? Ha, ha, ha!!! Classic! Comedy
gold! :)
Superdave
ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Court_1
>
> - Show quoted text -
Does that mean you think Nadal is a doper? ;)
bob
<Olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Aug 31, 10:16 am, "felangey" <th...@thisplace.invalid> wrote:
>> "Don't be fooled by the marketing pitch. Rafa too has one of those at
>> Mallorca, one way trying to recover faster for his injuries etc." - TT
>>
>> Same reason they haven't caught Nadal for using the same....or for illegal
>> knee rehabilitation treatment....or why Nadal's involvement in the whole
>> Fuentes case was swept under the carpet?
>
>Right! Nadal misses playing Wimbledon a couple of years ago due to an
>apparent "knee injury" and personal issues due to his mom and dad's
>divorce. Give me a break! This is Wimbledon, the most prestigious
>tournament in the world. No player would miss playing Wimbledon unless
>they were hit by a bus!
or afraid they were facing a career threatening injury.
bob
Superdave
Of course !
I am the one who uncvovered his "magic fish" !!!
Oh wait, you weren't here then right?
Court_1
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, what happened?
Superdave
Rafa was always going fishing in Mallorica. Always before a big tournament.
Then he would show up on court with a left arm like Charles Atlas. That is
when I started to investigate and found that uncle toni was spiking the fish
pond with peds.
Rafa was hooked on these what he called "magic fish" and attributed all his wins
to his new found fish "diet".
Of course once i exposed the dope they had to cool it and now his arms are back
to normal again and guess what he is "losing" again.
search "nadal magic fish" in rst. there must be hundreds of posts mentioning
this PED-O-PHILE.
Superdave
wrote:
Plus, Rafa never explained why he never goes fishing anymore? Strange isn't it?
Patrick Kehoe
> On Aug 31, 12:33 pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> so the question has become WHAT EXACTLY IS
>
> > BEING SAFEGUARDED... the appearence of fairness, the myth of personal
> > integrity, the ideal of sportsmanship within elite competition???
>
> > HARDLY...
>
> Apparently old myths die hard. As with so many of these agencies set
> up to save us from
> some perceived threat, I am more convinced than ever that this is just
> another unnecessary,
> parasitic organization hell-bent on safeguarding their own existence
> by preserving myths and
> feeding fears.
>
> Heaven forbid we should promote education and individual
> responsibility rather than more
> regulation.
And the horse has left the barn, the county and the continent, so to
speak on most all of these issues...
Professional or elite sport has the odd/chaotic coupling of fierce
competitive personalites, titanic financial rewards, public and
historical glorification, personal ethics and the rules and SPIRIT of
sporting practice/tradition... it's easy to see in this list which
will and are so often the first to get the boot!
P
pltrgyst
> As apparently his egg increases red blood cells twice the amount to
> using Epo. Wada should have caught him about blood doping. Is it a cover
> up by ATP again?
The effect is indistinguishable from simply training at altitude --
such as at the US Olympic training center in Colorado Springs.
There's no rule against either, or any other form of hyperbaric
chamber.
-- Larry
Patrick Kehoe
> 31.8.2011 20:49, drew kirjoitti:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 31, 12:33 pm, Patrick Kehoe<pke...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > so the question has become WHAT EXACTLY IS
> >> BEING SAFEGUARDED... the appearence of fairness, the myth of personal
> >> integrity, the ideal of sportsmanship within elite competition???
>
> >> HARDLY...
>
> > Apparently old myths die hard. As with so many of these agencies set
> > up to save us from
> > some perceived threat, I am more convinced than ever that this is just
> > another unnecessary,
> > parasitic organization hell-bent on safeguarding their own existence
> > by preserving myths and
> > feeding fears.
>
> > Heaven forbid we should promote education and individual
> > responsibility rather than more
> > regulation.
>
> greediness?
And maybe she wouldn't change a thing!? Perhaps she lived more in
those 38 years than everyone on this board combined... Could it be
that to become her dream was the last and perfect ambition/desire of
her existence? We don't know... Many premodern cultures would see her
as having prefected her life, given her fullest measure against the
vagaries of fate. Die and 38 having been an Olympic legend, the
greatest female figure in athletics of her generation??? Was it worth
it? Who knows...
P
bob
losing meaning he played 3 slams this yr, won 1, lost 1 final to suped
up djok and was in jured in the other?
bob
drew
> > Heaven forbid we should promote education and individual
> > responsibility rather than more
> > regulation.
>
> Flo-Jo died at 38. Would you prefer athletes killing themselves for
> greediness?
A few years back there was a survey of olympic athletes regarding the
use of drugs and they were
asked if they would take something that they knew would shorten their
life if it meant they could win
a gold medal at the olympics. Most said they would do this.
It's their choice.
Superdave
serious dumbness.
Court_1
> On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:13:21 +0800, Superdave
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh please, cut the crap. Nadal has been playing way below par the past
6 months. Yes he has been getting to finals and that just shows how
pathetic the men's game is nowadays when a struggling Nadal and old
man Federer who is a shadow of his former self can be numbers 2 and 3
in the world. The only guy who has played well consistently in the
past 6-8 months is Djokovic.
Iceberg
pretty much Djoker's going through your list, to explain his
staggering improvement in 3 months to go from breathing problem man to
beyond the fittest guy on the planet.
Iceberg
YES you did, you said he should get the 'benefit of the doubt'. you
kept on about it. showed you'd be the type of loon to say Ben Johnson
should get the 'benefit of the doubt' if there weren't drug tests back
then.
Court_1
>
> - Show quoted text -
No silly, all Djokovic has to do is ask Nadal for advice. Nadal is
very acquainted with such matters. ;)
Iceberg
> On 31.8.2011. 16:55, TT wrote:
>
>
>
> > 31.8.2011 17:34, drew kirjoitti:
> >> On Aug 31, 10:32 am, TT<as...@usenet.org> wrote:
>
> >>> Hey lying sack of felangey - why don't you answer the question, why has
> >>> Djokovic not been caught of blood doping!
>
>
> > Effects are the same, or even more pronounced.
>
> > Maybe this egg thing is a cover up for his MASSIVE EPO intakes, or maybe
> > it actually works twice as well as doing EPO like a madman.
>
> > The results can be seen and they're not of a fair athlete. Nobody
> > changes like that.
>
> all i can say is HA HA HA HA HA HA choke on it
>
> fed beat this egg space capsule from the future because he KNOWS tennis,
> and NO ENHANCEMENT DRUG can teach someone how to play
>
> on the other hand, nadals tennis is utter crap, and all he does is chase
> down the ball and plays it back endlessly, so 90% physical conditioning,
> and 10% tennis, but we have been over that already
>
> nadal is finished...
MURRAY ALSO BEAT HIM!!! HAHAHA HAHAHHAHAAH!
Patrick Kehoe
OR THAT, and is more likely the case, that these 3 (sometimes 4) are
much better than the norm... as has always been the case... the tip of
the elite are so defined for reasons... they aren't there by
accident... they represent a measure, a standard ABOVE the norm of
even upper end players... and they can apply their technical and
mental advantages more completely and for longer durations within
tournament play AND over the course of tournaments as a whole...
that's why they ARE above the norm... twas ever thus in pro tennis...
P
Court_1
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Yes, the top 3 are better than the norm, I am not questioning that but
Federer and Nadal have not been performing at their highest levels.
Nadal has gone downhill in the past 6 months or so and Federer has
been past his prime since 2008. Both are obviously more talented than
the rest of the pack since they have been able to sustain the top
rankings even when they have not played their best.
However, it does show that the rest of the field beyond the top 4 is
relatively weak if an infirm Nadal and Federer can be ranked 2 and 3
even when they are inconsistent and not at their best.
How long Federer and Nadal can stay in the top 5 as they decline
further will be interesting to see. Will also be interesting to see
how long Djokovic can keep his streak going and if Murray can move
further up the rankings.
Iceberg
Iceberg
> On Aug 31, 11:29 am, TT <as...@usenet.org> wrote:
>
> > 31.8.2011 17:21, drew kirjoitti:
>
> > > On Aug 31, 10:10 am, TT<as...@usenet.org> wrote:
> > >> As apparently his egg increases red blood cells twice the amount to
> > >> using Epo. Wada should have caught him about blood doping. Is it a cover
> > >> up by ATP again?
>
> > > hyperbaric chamber) are legal.
> > > Lots of athletes use them.
>
> > Why is EPO not legal?
>
> Because it is invasive? Fucked if I know. You're talking to the
> wrong guy. I want it all legalized.
sometimes I like this idea,if they just allowed absolutely anything it
would make things very exciting, 50m swim in 25secs, 100m's run in
8seconds, 200m+ javelin, amazing weight lifting, 10metre high jump etc
lol
TT
Speaking of which, I recall Ben Johnson's coach/dealer bragging that
"look at him, I made that"...
I had the same feeling now when Vajda said about Djokovic that "you have
to be robocop to beat him"...
TT
> Get over it, TT. Your Spanish matador is toast. He'll end his career
> with 10 slams and Roger will have 16 or more. Life goes on. But since
> TT has no life aside from RST, this "egg thing" is her newest
> obsession.
I suggest YOU "getting a life" so that you wouldn't have to worry about
lives of others...
Start with trying to get a REAL MAN...instead of that ridiculous looking
queer you hang with. Atm you sound like bitchy old maid who hasn't had
an alpha male in several years. That 2 inch flaccid queer penis has to
go, you'll thank me later.
TT
> Right! Nadal misses playing Wimbledon a couple of years ago due to an
> apparent "knee injury" and personal issues due to his mom and dad's
> divorce. Give me a break! This is Wimbledon, the most prestigious
> tournament in the world. No player would miss playing Wimbledon unless
> drug test. Any person with a brain can figure that out!
And apparently one doesn't even need a functioning brain to figure that
out! :)
Your post is comedy gold, thanks.
jdeluise
On 1-Sep-2011, Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> wrote:
> YES you did, you said he should get the 'benefit of the doubt'. you
> kept on about it. showed you'd be the type of loon to say Ben Johnson
> should get the 'benefit of the doubt' if there weren't drug tests back
> then.
Right...
TT
> On Aug 31, 9:37 pm, "ulys...@msomm.com"<ulys...@mscomm.com> wrote:
>> Courty, you and I both know that is Djoker had not beaten the tar out
>> of TT's masturbatory God, Nadal, this thread wouldn't exist.
>>
>> FACT: The egg isn't illegal.
>>
>> FACT: Djoker whipped Nadal's ass big time in 5 finals this year.
>>
>> with 10 slams and Roger will have 16 or more. Life goes on. But since
>> TT has no life aside from RST, this "egg thing" is her newest
>> obsession.
>
> unfair advantage due to drug use? Ha, ha, ha!!! Classic! Comedy
> gold! :)
Coming from someone who accuses Nadal of doping merely because he
trashed Federer on regular basis.
At least with Djokovic his fitness improvement is most suspicious. I
don't buy it.
Iceberg
and he's taking stuff 'gluten-free'
Court_1
No comedy gold is anybody actually believing that Nadal would choose
to miss Wimbledon and then a week later he was playing at the Davis
Cup.
Can you say suspension? ;)
Court_1
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> - Show quoted text -
It has nothing to do with Federer. Nadal's situation was just as
suspicious if not more than Djokovic's. The change in Nadal's
appearance from scrawny to muscular(same thing with Andy Murray), the
injuries over the years, the big changes he made at the slams--i.e.
2010 USO with his serve, the missed tournaments, etc. etc. I could go
on and on.
It is stupid for you as a Nadal fan to accuse other players of doping
when Nadal and his possible doping has been the biggest talk in tennis
of PED use EVER. Just shut up. Accept it. It is what it is. Doping is
part of pro tennis and we will never even know the half of it. Maybe a
few people down the line will talk about the truth of what goes on. I
wouldn't hold my breath however.
TT
>
> No comedy gold is anybody actually believing that Nadal would choose
> to miss Wimbledon and then a week later he was playing at the Davis
> Cup.
> Can you say suspension? ;)
Can you say false data?
Nadal did not play DC a week later. After RG the only DC he played was
in 2009 final. Keep up the soaring standard...
TennisLady
, or maybe
> it actually works twice as well as doing EPO like a madman.
It can't be the egg. He didn't have the egg in Dubai, Belgrade,
Australia, California, Miami, Madrid Rome London!