Andy played well except on the crunch points

The Iceberg

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Jan 31, 2016, 8:45:44 AM1/31/16

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Well done Djoker, amazing how he hardly ever misses anything.
Murray actually played very well and stayed with him (during 2nd set), but again, on crunch break/set points was awful. 2 consecutive doubles faults at the end of that 2nd set by Djoker and still Murray messed it up.
If not for the kid, maybe he would've won this.

TT

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Jan 31, 2016, 8:54:57 AM1/31/16

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Andy is just too emotional on court, he would need to be more calm and
stoic... like Lendl.

He wasn't really playing worse than Djoker, apart from being slightly
less consistent and calm.

John Liang

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Jan 31, 2016, 9:08:10 AM1/31/16

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There were two service faults by Djoker was missed by both line people as well as the chair umpire. One of those faults was also a double fault that could give Murray the break. Don't blame the kid Murray is a mental midget for a long time. Both Djoker and Federer have kids and they still won grand slams and that is a difference between top tier champ and an average champ.

RaspingDrive

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Jan 31, 2016, 9:48:09 AM1/31/16

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Keep hoping Icy. After all, what is life without hope! Congrats Djokovic for the 11th slam. Tied with Borg, needs one more to go above him (Duh!).

Darkfalz

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Jan 31, 2016, 4:34:01 PM1/31/16

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On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 1:08:10 AM UTC+11, John Liang wrote:
> On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 12:45:44 AM UTC+11, The Iceberg wrote:
> > Well done Djoker, amazing how he hardly ever misses anything.
> > Murray actually played very well and stayed with him (during 2nd set), but again, on crunch break/set points was awful. 2 consecutive doubles faults at the end of that 2nd set by Djoker and still Murray messed it up.
> > If not for the kid, maybe he would've won this.
>
> There were two service faults by Djoker was missed by both line people as well as the chair umpire. One of those faults was also a double fault that could give Murray the break.

I think they were both only first services. You can't really complain about this though as Murray was the beneficiary of several dodgy calls v Raonic whom he should have lost to.

John Liang

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Jan 31, 2016, 8:50:40 PM1/31/16

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Well, I thought umpire should have done a far better job in spotting those obvious mistakes by the lines people. I think one of the point was actually on the 2nd serve on the break point. I think Murray should have challenge both call instead he played on and lost the point and then starting complaining about these errors. I don't complain and it was up to Murray to complain immediately on these obvious errors.

Court_1

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Jan 31, 2016, 9:02:55 PM1/31/16

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On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 8:54:57 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:

> He wasn't really playing worse than Djoker,

LOL! What match were you actually watching? Of course he was playing A LOT worse than Djokovic. Look at the stats--Djokovic on the left, Murray on the right:

1st Serve Points Won 74% (54 of 73) 68% (48 of 71)
2nd Serve Points Won 53% (20 of 38) 35% (14 of 40)
Break Points Won 42% (5 of 12) 33% (2 of 6)
Return Points Won 44% (49 of 111) 33% (37 of 111)
Unforced Errors 41 65
Winners 31 40

The Iceberg

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Feb 1, 2016, 3:55:49 AM2/1/16

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LOL Murray in reasonable form will always beat Raonic.

ahonkan

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Feb 1, 2016, 4:13:33 AM2/1/16

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On Sunday, 31 January 2016 19:24:57 UTC+5:30, TT wrote:

> Andy is just too emotional on court, he would need to be more calm and
> stoic... like Lendl.
>
> He wasn't really playing worse than Djoker, apart from being slightly
> less consistent and calm.

Being stoic didn't help Lendl very much - 8 wins & 11 losses. But
I'm sure 2-7 Murray would gladly take Lendl's numbers. Your point
about him playing quite well is correct, as is the observation that
he was less consistent and less calm.
Among the top guys, I have not seen anyone who gets agitated as much
as Murray & I am not talking only about Fed/ Rafa/ Djoker. Wawrinka,
Raonic, Nishikori, Berdych & Ferrer are all calmer than Murray. If
he hasn't been able to realize this in 10 years, maybe being a
father will help him in being calm.

RzR

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Feb 1, 2016, 4:32:19 AM2/1/16

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andy is a clown... and he is suppose to be noles main competitor???

ridiculous...

The Iceberg

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Feb 1, 2016, 5:23:09 AM2/1/16

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Murray could've easily won the 2nd set, Djoker was handing it to him, but he didn't take it. Lendl would've been furious with that.

grif

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Feb 1, 2016, 7:22:28 AM2/1/16

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Sir Andy really beefed up his serve in the final (Mauresmo's influence ?). I think his avg 2nd serve speed, in particular, was his highest in the tourney.

Djoker vs Braveheart

ACES
7 12
DFs
3 5
1ST SERVE %
66 64
FASTEST SERVE
199 KMH 213 KMH
AVERAGE 1ST SERVE SPEED
185 KMH 190 KMH
AVERAGE 2ND SERVE SPEED
153 KMH 151 KMH

RaspingDrive

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Feb 1, 2016, 7:55:37 AM2/1/16

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Doesn't matter. The canny fellow has probably defused a possible tight situation at home (which, I guess, is the more important one) by calling his wife a legend.

Court_1

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Feb 1, 2016, 11:33:47 AM2/1/16

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On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 3:55:49 AM UTC-5, The Iceberg wrote:

> LOL Murray in reasonable form will always beat Raonic.

No he won't! I guess you weren't watching their SF match?

Whisper

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Feb 2, 2016, 4:41:07 AM2/2/16

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As well as Milos was playing I'd still favor Murray to beat him every
time. Murray is at his peak & has a lot more game, & pretty much only
Djoker is fave to beat him. I mean he's made 5 AO finals, won
Wim/USO/Olympics etc.

We have to see more from Milos to give him much more credit - he may
have a letdown as he seemed very gutted at this loss.

The Iceberg

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Feb 2, 2016, 7:50:41 AM2/2/16

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paid off linesmen!

Court_1

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Feb 2, 2016, 7:23:44 PM2/2/16

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On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 4:41:07 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:

> As well as Milos was playing I'd still favor Murray to beat him every
> time.

Do you want to bet on that? Why was their h2h 3-3 before this lucky win for Murray at the AO? If one-dimensional Milos could beat Murray why wouldn't the new and improved Milos beat Murray?

>Murray is at his peak & has a lot more game,

Murray is NOT at his peak. His peak was 2012/13 or so it seems. Murray hasn't been the same since back surgery.

> & pretty much only
> Djoker is fave to beat him.

??? When was the last time Murray beat Federer? Three years ago!

> We have to see more from Milos to give him much more credit - he may
> have a letdown as he seemed very gutted at this loss.

He may but what if he doesn't? I agree that Milos needs to actually win something big before we give him credit.

soccerfan777

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Feb 2, 2016, 8:53:02 PM2/2/16

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On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 3:13:33 AM UTC-6, ahonkan wrote:
> On Sunday, 31 January 2016 19:24:57 UTC+5:30, TT wrote:
>
> > Andy is just too emotional on court, he would need to be more calm and
> > stoic... like Lendl.
> >
> > He wasn't really playing worse than Djoker, apart from being slightly
> > less consistent and calm.
>
> Being stoic didn't help Lendl very much - 8 wins & 11 losses.

8-11 has a lot to do with Lendl facing Borg (once), Connors (twice), McEnroe (thrice), Wilander (five times), Edberg (once) and Becker (thrice) in finals.

So out of 19 finals he played, he faced a 6 slammer 15 times. The other 4 times he played a non 6 slammer he won 3 times (2 x Mecir, 1 Pernfors) and one loss (Cash).

The Cash loss was clearly the worst loss of his career. He did not perform well in that final and Cash played the match of his life.

John Liang

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Feb 2, 2016, 10:28:14 PM2/2/16

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On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 12:53:02 PM UTC+11, soccerfan777 wrote:
> On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 3:13:33 AM UTC-6, ahonkan wrote:
> > On Sunday, 31 January 2016 19:24:57 UTC+5:30, TT wrote:
> >
> > > Andy is just too emotional on court, he would need to be more calm and
> > > stoic... like Lendl.
> > >
> > > He wasn't really playing worse than Djoker, apart from being slightly
> > > less consistent and calm.
> >
> > Being stoic didn't help Lendl very much - 8 wins & 11 losses.
>
> 8-11 has a lot to do with Lendl facing Borg (once), Connors (twice), McEnroe (thrice), Wilander (five times), Edberg (once) and Becker (thrice) in finals.
>
> So out of 19 finals he played, he faced a 6 slammer 15 times. The other 4 times he played a non 6 slammer he won 3 times (2 x Mecir, 1 Pernfors) and one loss (Cash).
>
> The Cash loss was clearly the worst loss of his career. He did not perform well in that final and Cash played the match of his life.

Yes, Cash played an exceptional match and lost just 1 set to win Wimbledon that year. Cash also beat Lendl at AO also played on grass in 87. So he was the top player on grass in 1987. I think Lendl's consistency on grass was pretty good from mid 80s to 1990 Wimbledon and it usually took the best grass court player of those year to beat him. It was an excellent result for him to beat Edberg in 4 sets at 87 Wimbledon, in 88 he lost to Becker, in 89 he lost to Becker again in 5 sets holding a 2:1 lead before the rain delay which gave Becker the time to recover.

Whisper

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Feb 3, 2016, 5:41:31 AM2/3/16

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On 3/02/2016 12:53 PM, soccerfan777 wrote:
> On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 3:13:33 AM UTC-6, ahonkan wrote:
>> On Sunday, 31 January 2016 19:24:57 UTC+5:30, TT wrote:
>>
>>> Andy is just too emotional on court, he would need to be more calm and
>>> stoic... like Lendl.
>>>
>>> He wasn't really playing worse than Djoker, apart from being slightly
>>> less consistent and calm.
>>
>> Being stoic didn't help Lendl very much - 8 wins & 11 losses.
>
> 8-11 has a lot to do with Lendl facing Borg (once), Connors (twice), McEnroe (thrice), Wilander (five times), Edberg (once) and Becker (thrice) in finals.
>
> So out of 19 finals he played, he faced a 6 slammer 15 times.

In other words he was weaker than the best players, thus cannot be
goat/boat.

> The Cash loss was clearly the worst loss of his career. He did not perform well in that final and Cash played the match of his life.

I guess Cash played 'the match of his life' again when he beat Lendl in
2 more slams?