On Fri, 31 May 2019 02:48:08 +1000, Whisper <
beav...@ozemail.com>
wrote:
>On 31/05/2019 12:07 am, soccerfan777 wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-5, Calimero wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 3:39:06 PM UTC+2, StephenJ wrote:
>>>> That's 30 more than Martina Navratilova won.
>>>>
>>>> Just another statistic on the GOAT pile for Serena.
>>>>
>>>> She won't win this event, but we should just appreciate her while she's
>>>> still around.
>>>
>>>
>>> But she has 46 slam losses against 23 slam titles.
>>> Far worse than the great Steffi Graf who lost only 32 times and has 22 slam titles. And now consider that Steffi suffered 7 defeats at age 13/15, an age when Serena didn't play yet!
>>>
>>> So a truly fair comparison is:
>>> Serena 23 wins and 47 losses
>>> Steffi 22 wins and 25 losses
>>>
>>> That is further proof why most fans consider Steffi to be the greatest. Even many US Americans and black people see it this way.
>>>
>> You make all good points. But the problem now is Serena will keep playing and increase her lead over Graf by 4 or 5. And people will ignore the fact that she played 7-10 years or 25 more slam more than Steffi.
>>
>> It is sad but true. Besides many here in North America (and that includes Canada) have never approved of Steffi as the GOAT. So they will find ways to not have her as GOAT, BOAT etc.
>>
>> Steffi herself has never been comfortable with the GOAT title. She announced Martina Navratilova is the GOAT after she retired.
>>
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>Serena's longevity at the elite level is simply phenomenal. She's been
>able to maintain slam winning form far longer than any of the greats
>before her. You have to respect that.
the bottom line of the measurement we're looking for is dominance. who
was the better player. who dominated more. who achieved more.
i brought it up a decade ago related to the men: was there a "sweet
spot" for how much you won VS a given time period? is 10 slams in 10
yrs better than 12 slams in 20 yrs?
i know everybody relevant to this discussion replied. it can be
googled. :-)
so total trophies VS better slam trophy %. do we want to measure
*dominance* or *achievement*.
the answer is obvious. a far higher slam win % measure dominance.
total slam count (or 7543 if you prefer) measures achievement. we're
back to BOAT vs GOAT - all over again.
bob