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People said Ivan (Federer's coach) is very intelligent
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PeteWasLucky
Jun 26, 2017, 10:12:10 AM6/26/17
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When Federer hired him people were wondering what he is going to offer. I heard and read that he is very smart guy.
I can see major transformations in Federer's tactics specially against certain players like Nadal. I always gave the credit to Ivan.
Also I discussed with my wife Federer game against Zverev yesterday, he played very different game that he probably never played on grass or other surface.
I told her these tactics must be coming from his coach and the big thing is that Federer listens.
He fully dismantled Zverev slicing the ball deep and short and messing with its trajectory.
And this is what Federer said after the match
He played me well at the Hopman Cup. It's been difficult for me against him the last couple of times. But this morning all of a sudden I got a good feeling about this when I spoke tactics with Ivan and I felt I wanted to play on my terms and not be too passive like I was maybe against Khachanov at times.
I can see major transformations in Federer's tactics specially against certain players like Nadal. I always gave the credit to Ivan.
Also I discussed with my wife Federer game against Zverev yesterday, he played very different game that he probably never played on grass or other surface.
I told her these tactics must be coming from his coach and the big thing is that Federer listens.
He fully dismantled Zverev slicing the ball deep and short and messing with its trajectory.
And this is what Federer said after the match
He played me well at the Hopman Cup. It's been difficult for me against him the last couple of times. But this morning all of a sudden I got a good feeling about this when I spoke tactics with Ivan and I felt I wanted to play on my terms and not be too passive like I was maybe against Khachanov at times.
calim...@gmx.de
Jun 26, 2017, 10:31:18 AM6/26/17
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On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 4:12:10 PM UTC+2, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> When Federer hired him people were wondering what he is going to offer. I heard and read that he is very smart guy.
> ...
> When Federer hired him people were wondering what he is going to offer. I heard and read that he is very smart guy.
Did you know that Lendl made some brutal jokes about 9/11 "truthers" a few years ago?
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The Iceberg
Jun 26, 2017, 12:42:53 PM6/26/17
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It has nothing to do with an entire generation of young-clowns, Nadal being clearly out of sorts, Djoker and Murray going on holiday and Fed being at peak.
Court_1
Jun 26, 2017, 7:49:02 PM6/26/17
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On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:42:53 PM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
> It has nothing to do with an entire generation of young-clowns, Nadal being clearly out of sorts, Djoker and Murray going on holiday and Fed being at peak.
It's not different than how Djokovic has been mopping up titles from 2014-2016 with older Federer as his only serious competition, Nadal out of form, Murray his pigeon as usual and youngsters who are terrible for different reasons. Now FEDAL(yes that's Fed AND Nadal) are mopping up titles with Djokovic under the weather and the youngsters still not good enough.
> It has nothing to do with an entire generation of young-clowns, Nadal being clearly out of sorts, Djoker and Murray going on holiday and Fed being at peak.
The other thing is some of these youngsters are sure taking it to Djokovic lately, i.e. Zverev and Kyrgios. :)
What I want to see is this Federer with a better bh and ROS meet Djokovic at Wimbledon. That should be fun! :)
Whisper
Jun 26, 2017, 9:49:16 PM6/26/17
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Maybe he just didn't see these youtube clips?
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*skriptis
Jun 27, 2017, 12:30:03 PM6/27/17
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Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:
Ah, another feeble attempt of suggesting Djokovic's 15-16
dominance was due to lack of competition.
Federer - is still the man to beat, like he was couple of years
ago. He's even older, but playing well as ever. He did make
Wim/USO finals without losing a set and a serve in 2015. Let's
see if he could do it again this year.
Murray was good in 2015-2016, but he is out of sorts now. Otoh,
Nadal was bad, and he's good now.
In 2014 Wawrinka and even Cilic established themselves as players
capable of winning against anyone when really turned on.
Healthier and more committed versions of del Potro, Nalbandian
types. We didn't have that in 2013 and earlier.
So, Djokovic faced pretty match top notch opponents during last
couple of years, only Nadal been missing.
Otoh, Murray and Djokovic are currently off, it seems. So ignoring
match up issues, Federer and Nadal are having it easier because
one extra big guy is off, compared to couple of years ago when
only one guy was off.
14-16 off guys, Nadal only
Now, off guys, Djokovic and maybe Murray.
It's either the same, or slightly worse in terms of competition at
the top compared to couple of years ago.
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dominance was due to lack of competition.
Federer - is still the man to beat, like he was couple of years
ago. He's even older, but playing well as ever. He did make
Wim/USO finals without losing a set and a serve in 2015. Let's
see if he could do it again this year.
Murray was good in 2015-2016, but he is out of sorts now. Otoh,
Nadal was bad, and he's good now.
In 2014 Wawrinka and even Cilic established themselves as players
capable of winning against anyone when really turned on.
Healthier and more committed versions of del Potro, Nalbandian
types. We didn't have that in 2013 and earlier.
So, Djokovic faced pretty match top notch opponents during last
couple of years, only Nadal been missing.
Otoh, Murray and Djokovic are currently off, it seems. So ignoring
match up issues, Federer and Nadal are having it easier because
one extra big guy is off, compared to couple of years ago when
only one guy was off.
14-16 off guys, Nadal only
Now, off guys, Djokovic and maybe Murray.
It's either the same, or slightly worse in terms of competition at
the top compared to couple of years ago.
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kaennorsing
Jun 27, 2017, 1:11:16 PM6/27/17
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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2017 18:30:03 UTC+2 schreef *skriptis:
> Murray was good in 2015-2016, but he is out of sorts now. Otoh,
> Nadal was bad, and he's good now.
>
> In 2014 Wawrinka and even Cilic established themselves as players
> capable of winning against anyone when really turned on.
> Healthier and more committed versions of del Potro, Nalbandian
> types. We didn't have that in 2013 and earlier.
>
> So, Djokovic faced pretty match top notch opponents during last
> couple of years, only Nadal been missing.
Nobody considers Cilic a great. Just a cheat. Stan may be, but only really because of beating Djoker (and Rafa) in some crucial slams matches.
> Otoh, Murray and Djokovic are currently off, it seems. So ignoring
> match up issues, Federer and Nadal are having it easier because
> one extra big guy is off, compared to couple of years ago when
> only one guy was off.
>
> 14-16 off guys, Nadal only
> Now, off guys, Djokovic and maybe Murray.
>
>
> It's either the same, or slightly worse in terms of competition at
> the top compared to couple of years ago.
So his only great competitor those years was Federer, who was able to regularly beat Djoker in b03-format but failed in slams because of old legs and the uber-retrieving tactics from Djoker. Of course that was the old, pre-rejuvenated Federer, as well. Let's see how Djoker deals with the current, refreshed and confident one, or if he continues to avoid him.
> Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:
> > On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:42:53 PM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
> >> It has nothing to do with an entire generation of young-clowns, Nadal being clearly out of sorts, Djoker and Murray going on holiday and Fed being at peak.
> >
> > It's not different than how Djokovic has been mopping up titles from 2014-2016 with older Federer as his only serious competition, Nadal out of form, Murray his pigeon as usual and youngsters who are terrible for different reasons. Now FEDAL(yes that's Fed AND Nadal) are mopping up titles with Djokovic under the weather and the youngsters still not good enough.
> >
> > The other thing is some of these youngsters are sure taking it to Djokovic lately, i.e. Zverev and Kyrgios. :)
> >
> > What I want to see is this Federer with a better bh and ROS meet Djokovic at Wimbledon. That should be fun! :)
> >
>
>
> Ah, another feeble attempt of suggesting Djokovic's 15-16
> dominance was due to lack of competition.
>
>
> Federer - is still the man to beat, like he was couple of years
> ago. He's even older, but playing well as ever. He did make
> Wim/USO finals without losing a set and a serve in 2015. Let's
> see if he could do it again this year.
Fed lost a set vs Groth (who?) in 2015. The rest of his draw was quite weak up until the semi.
> > On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:42:53 PM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
> >> It has nothing to do with an entire generation of young-clowns, Nadal being clearly out of sorts, Djoker and Murray going on holiday and Fed being at peak.
> >
> > It's not different than how Djokovic has been mopping up titles from 2014-2016 with older Federer as his only serious competition, Nadal out of form, Murray his pigeon as usual and youngsters who are terrible for different reasons. Now FEDAL(yes that's Fed AND Nadal) are mopping up titles with Djokovic under the weather and the youngsters still not good enough.
> >
> > The other thing is some of these youngsters are sure taking it to Djokovic lately, i.e. Zverev and Kyrgios. :)
> >
> > What I want to see is this Federer with a better bh and ROS meet Djokovic at Wimbledon. That should be fun! :)
> >
>
>
> Ah, another feeble attempt of suggesting Djokovic's 15-16
> dominance was due to lack of competition.
>
>
> Federer - is still the man to beat, like he was couple of years
> ago. He's even older, but playing well as ever. He did make
> Wim/USO finals without losing a set and a serve in 2015. Let's
> see if he could do it again this year.
> Murray was good in 2015-2016, but he is out of sorts now. Otoh,
> Nadal was bad, and he's good now.
>
> In 2014 Wawrinka and even Cilic established themselves as players
> capable of winning against anyone when really turned on.
> Healthier and more committed versions of del Potro, Nalbandian
> types. We didn't have that in 2013 and earlier.
>
> So, Djokovic faced pretty match top notch opponents during last
> couple of years, only Nadal been missing.
> Otoh, Murray and Djokovic are currently off, it seems. So ignoring
> match up issues, Federer and Nadal are having it easier because
> one extra big guy is off, compared to couple of years ago when
> only one guy was off.
>
> 14-16 off guys, Nadal only
> Now, off guys, Djokovic and maybe Murray.
>
>
> It's either the same, or slightly worse in terms of competition at
> the top compared to couple of years ago.
The Iceberg
Jun 27, 2017, 5:45:02 PM6/27/17
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PeteWasLucky
Jun 27, 2017, 5:50:33 PM6/27/17
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> agree, except unless he's really angry at Mirko, Stan doesn't bother to play much against Fed, whereas he goes all out to beat Djoker, Murray or Nadal.
Really? How did Stan win the FO? Do you remember who he beat in the QF?
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