Well done, Nadal,

[RaspingDrive]

on the 10th MC title. Starting AO 2017 his results have been F,F,4th,F,W, with the `F' and `4th' being on HCs where he was stopped mostly by a red-hot Federer, a HC ATG. He is in top form, it seems.

[PeteWasLucky]

Until Federer shows up in the FO to take it away from him :)

[RaspingDrive]

On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 11:31:12 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> Until Federer shows up in the FO to take it away from him :)

For fearless Federer, see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyIVWAX1OEQ

Can't see the same aggressive Federer in the USO 2008 final.

[Whisper]

On 24/04/2017 2:37 AM, RaspingDrive wrote:
> on the 10th MC title. Starting AO 2017 his results have been F,F,4th,F,W, with the `F' and `4th' being on HCs where he was stopped mostly by a red-hot Federer, a HC ATG. He is in top form, it seems.
>

Let's hope he sweeps the next 3 slams beating Federer in the finals.

; )

[Whisper]

On 24/04/2017 1:31 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> Until Federer shows up in the FO to take it away from him :)
>

Enjoy this moment. In about 4 months Rafa may well have beaten Federer
in FO/Wim/USO finals.

What effect would this have on Fed's legacy? You can't dismiss it as
Fed not playing well, given he won a slam beating Rafa in final & made
all 4 slam finals.

: )

[John Liang]

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 6:27:46 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
> On 24/04/2017 1:31 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> > Until Federer shows up in the FO to take it away from him :)
> >
>
>
>
> Enjoy this moment. In about 4 months Rafa may well have beaten Federer
> in FO/Wim/USO finals.

Much like your prediction/analysis about a year ago then it was Djokovic sweeping all the slam, we all know what happen don't we ? What happened to your Tomic boy. Under your prediction he was supposed to win 2 Wimbledon in 5 years from 2012.

[RaspingDrive]

Add FO 2018 and Nadal will be first among equals (if Federer doesn't win AO 2018).

[ali...@alinefx.com]

So funny to see all of y'all get excited seeing nasal beating fucking nobodies to win Masters titles. Wait till Federer drums Nadal into the fucking ground the next time they play, and the next time, and the next tine, and the next time....

[Guypers]

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 9:14:04 AM UTC-4, ali...@alinefx.com wrote:
> So funny to see all of y'all get excited seeing nasal beating fucking nobodies to win Masters titles. Wait till Federer drums Nadal into the fucking ground the next time they play, and the next time, and the next tine, and the next time....

At FO? May be at W!

[Court_1]

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 9:14:04 AM UTC-4, ali...@alinefx.com wrote:

> So funny to see all of y'all get excited seeing nasal beating fucking nobodies to win Masters titles. Wait till Federer drums Nadal into the fucking ground the next time they play, and the next time, and the next tine, and the next time....

You think Federer would be able to beat Nadal at the FO? I think best of five on clay brings about a different challenge. At Wimbledon and the USO, Federer should have the edge IF he can continue the form he showed at the AO/IW/Miami. Who knows if Federer can keep that form up? I hope so.

[RaspingDrive]

He can hope someone beats Rafa for him!

[Jason White]

On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 9:37:24 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:
> on the 10th MC title. Starting AO 2017 his results have been F,F,4th,F,W, with the `F' and `4th' being on HCs where he was stopped mostly by a red-hot Federer, a HC ATG. He is in top form, it seems.

Winning the French would be pure euphoria. #10 at the event, and passing Sampras on the slams won list. But...what if Nadal fails to win the French? Would he ever recover from that setback?

[Carey]

If Nadal doesn't win this French I don't see him winning any more Majors. We'll see.

[RaspingDrive]

10 FO titles would be unreal. I hope he gets it but not too many more of those :)

[John Liang]

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 1:16:30 PM UTC+10, Carey wrote:
> If Nadal doesn't win this French I don't see him winning any more Majors. We'll see.

Yes, that is pretty much what I said earlier. This FO will be a career defining tournament for Nadal, in fact if Nadal fail to win FO I wouldn't be surprised Nadal retire this year. Mentally another loss at FO will be too much for him.

[Whisper]

On 27/04/2017 1:16 PM, Carey wrote:
> If Nadal doesn't win this French I don't see him winning any more Majors. We'll see.
>

People have been saying this for yrs

[John Liang]

I have been saying this since 2013... and 3.5 years later...

[The Iceberg]

You and the other idiots have been saying to same since 2005, you said it was scientifically impossible for Nadal to win the USO.

[TT]

27.4.2017, 6:16, Carey kirjoitti:
> If Nadal doesn't win this French I don't see him winning any more Majors.

Getting scared now are we?

[TT]

You simply don't understand the mental makings of these athletes.
I've said it every year and say it again: This FO is no more important
than the past ones.

In fact the way Rafa is playing currently it looks unlikely he'll hang
the racket any time soon, regardless of his RG result.

[Guypers]

Agree

[RaspingDrive]

At least it will make it more difficult for him to win other slams. Based on his record so far, what other slam is he favored to win should he lose the 2017 FO? Also, should one favor him to win FO 2018 should he lose FO 2017?

[RaspingDrive]

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 6:17:51 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
> You and the other idiots have been saying to same since 2005, you said it was scientifically impossible for Nadal to win the USO.

To win USO he would have to play out of his comfort zone, something his recent problems may not allow him to contemplate. He appears content to give points when in the past he used to run mad to retrieve. His chances are increasingly smaller, since as you say, he is 'out of sorts' he he he.

[John Liang]

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 8:17:51 PM UTC+10, The Iceberg wrote:
> You and the other idiots have been saying to same since 2005, you said it was scientifically impossible for Nadal to win the USO.

Well, show me the link where I actually said that. I never say anything for any player that is "scientifically possible" or scientifically impossible" to win a tennis event. Of course we know you have been idiotically bragging about your idiotic finding between Sampra, pizza and French Open.

[John Liang]

Yes, he was like this around the same time last year on clay, won MC and Barcelona then went out to Djoker at IO and Murray in Madrid. Nadal is definitely hanging around because he thinks there are slam titles for him to win, you clearly don't understand why elite tennis players like Nadal and Fedrer continue to play tournaments. Nadal is not simply playing tournament like MC because he wants to win 10, 11 or 12 MC title, it is just warm up for him to win FO. The day Nadal knows he is no longer a chance to win a grand slam he will quit.

[kaennorsing]

Op donderdag 27 april 2017 06:44:44 UTC+2 schreef John Liang:

> On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 1:16:30 PM UTC+10, Carey wrote:
> > If Nadal doesn't win this French I don't see him winning any more Majors. We'll see.
>
> Yes, that is pretty much what I said earlier. This FO will be a career defining tournament for Nadal, in fact if Nadal fail to win FO I wouldn't be surprised Nadal retire this year. Mentally another loss at FO will be too much for him.

Based on what? He doesn't look on the verge of quitting. On the contrary. This is actually one of the best start to the year he's ever had (apart from the Fed losses). He looks rejuvenated. His server has improved and he's shortening points by flattening shots out.

Plus the last time he lost he responded by winning the next 5 titles... You bet he wants that 10th and he's gonna take some stopping.

[John Liang]

On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 12:40:18 AM UTC+10, kaennorsing wrote:
> Op donderdag 27 april 2017 06:44:44 UTC+2 schreef John Liang:
> > On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 1:16:30 PM UTC+10, Carey wrote:
> > > If Nadal doesn't win this French I don't see him winning any more Majors. We'll see.
> >
> > Yes, that is pretty much what I said earlier. This FO will be a career defining tournament for Nadal, in fact if Nadal fail to win FO I wouldn't be surprised Nadal retire this year. Mentally another loss at FO will be too much for him.
>
> Based on what? He doesn't look on the verge of quitting. On the contrary. This is actually one of the best start to the year he's ever had (apart from the Fed losses). He looks rejuvenated. His server has improved and he's shortening points by flattening shots out.

Yes, after one of the best start to the year he could have to a season, he goes onto loss the tournament he wants the most. How well did Nadal handle his losses at FO in previous years when he lost ? Not very well at all, in 2009 he claim to have an injury and did not turn up for Wimbledon, 2015 he lost to Djoker and he lost early at Wimbledon and follow up by losing to Foggy in 5 at USO after leading 2:0 if my memory is correct, 2016 was pretty much the same as 2015.

>
> Plus the last time he lost he responded by winning the next 5 titles... You bet he wants that 10th and he's gonna take some stopping.

And you seriously think he will win another 5 at 31 I don't.

[*skriptis]

John Liang <jlia...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 1:16:30 PM UTC+10, Carey wrote:
>> If Nadal doesn't win this French I don't see him winning any more Majors. We'll see.
>
> Yes, that is pretty much what I said earlier. This FO will be a career defining tournament for Nadal, in fact if Nadal fail to win FO I wouldn't be surprised Nadal retire this year. Mentally another loss at FO will be too much for him.
>

You mean 3rd
career loss there would crush him?
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RaspingDrive <raspin...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

12 would crush margaret
Court's record of 11 AO.

That's the ultimate prize. Beyond that it really makes no sense.
12 or 13, virtually the same.

[bob]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 20:16:29 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>If Nadal doesn't win this French I don't see him winning any more Majors. We'll see.

yep, if he can't win this FO just can't see wim, USO. maybe possibly
next yr's FO if he plays cards right. slim.

bob

[Court_1]

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 7:06:40 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:

> 27.4.2017, 7:44, John Liang kirjoitti:

> This FO is no more important
> than the past ones.

Sorry, but that's wrong. I just read a Nadal interview where he actually said he wants that 10th FO! When has Nadal ever said those type of words in the past? He usually said BS like "I'm not the favorite" and "I take it one match at a time."

He badly wants that 10th FO and who can blame him? Right now he looks like he's in a good position to win it unless Djokovic snaps out of it.

These guys like Nadal and Fed play to win slams. Don't buy the rest of the BS they spout which they say because of their sponsorship ties. The slams get their juices flowing.

[RaspingDrive]

13 would make his slam count 18. Very very significant. That's what I implied in 'not too many of those'.

[RaspingDrive]

Nadal surely covets the 10 FO title as well as the 18th slam count. Who wouldn't?

[Court_1]

Obviously. Only a simpleton would think otherwise and unless Djokovic miraculously steps up his form, this is Nadal's FO to lose.

[John Liang]

Surely there is a lot of simpletons in RST that think this FO is not important for Nadal. This is important two months for Nadal.

[RaspingDrive]

The Nadal-is-out-of-sorts bandwagon dearly wishes for Rafa to bag FO 2017 and, in fact, many more.

[MBDunc]

> The Nadal-is-out-of-sorts bandwagon dearly wishes for Rafa to bag FO 2017 and, in fact, many more.

It required possessed Fed to stop Nadal for AO title. FO is definitely not his only chance.

But now it looks like FO will be Nadal's to lose. If Djoker gets his mojo back then we might have a good popcorn time though.

.mikko

[Whisper]

Like the 'Fed has mono' bandwagon wished he'd win those Wim/FO finals v
Rafa in '08?

[RaspingDrive]

Clueless W back again! To answer your question, all Fed fans wish he had bagged the Wim 2008. But on one that I know wished he'd win the FO 2008. So, I take it your joining the bandwagon (Rafa-is-out-of-sorts) is imminent?

[RaspingDrive]

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 9:22:18 AM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
> > The Nadal-is-out-of-sorts bandwagon dearly wishes for Rafa to bag FO 2017 and, in fact, many more.
>
> It required possessed Fed to stop Nadal for AO title. FO is definitely not his only chance.

And the bandwagon claims it's only because of Nadal is/was, er, OUT OF SORTS.

> But now it looks like FO will be Nadal's to lose. If Djoker gets his mojo back then we might have a good popcorn time though.

Nadal is a GOAT contender. He always has a chance, especially at FO, now and for the next few years.

[bob]

i'd love him to win this FO, but he is definitely not the nadal of
08-2014.

bob

[Whisper]

No, but obviously this isn't peak Rafa.

Peak Rafa was 2010 USO version. Only peak Sampras would beat that guy,
nobody else in last 20 yrs imo.

[John Liang]

No, peak Tomic could straight set the 2013 version at least that was also your opinion.

[RaspingDrive]

I won't mind if he gets the 10th in 2017 but not too many of those after that :)

[RaspingDrive]

Nor is it peak Djok, Fed, or Murray.

> Peak Rafa was 2010 USO version. Only peak Sampras would beat that guy,
> nobody else in last 20 yrs imo.

Rafa's best was 2010 USO version, agreed.

[Carey]

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 9:53:05 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:

>
> > Peak Rafa was 2010 USO version. Only peak Sampras would beat that guy,
> > nobody else in last 20 yrs imo.
>
> Rafa's best was 2010 USO version, agreed.

I've often wondered how he served so big in that tournament and not before or since. Odd. ;)

[RaspingDrive]

We won't enter that slippery slope :)

[Guypers]

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Carey wrote:

Armstrong's doctor helped him out!!!!!!

[bob]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 02:23:41 +1000, Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com>
wrote:

rafa is clearly playing below his peak these past 3 months, even if
it's an improvement from the previous 2 yrs of injury, etc.

the fact he improved a bit to be competitive has got all federer
supporters into some sort of lather that this is peak rafa. peak rafa
wasn't afraid to stay out all day and wear you down, this rafa fears
that.

>Peak Rafa was 2010 USO version. Only peak Sampras would beat that guy,
>nobody else in last 20 yrs imo.

bob

[bob]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 09:58:57 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

he claimed afterward he can always serve that hard, just that he
doesn't normally expect them to go in and he prefers percentages.

bob

[bob]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 09:51:36 -0700 (PDT), RaspingDrive

his chance to catch fed was at AO. he let it slip, no way now, you can
relax.

bob

[Tim]

I can guarantee that Rafa will get 20 slams.

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[RaspingDrive]

Maybe you should relax your underestimation of his talent!

[Whisper]

Most likely some kind of shoulder injury. We'll find out in his book
after he retires I'm sure.

[Whisper]

If drugs exist to make you serve better, volley better etc why don't
they market it to amateurs? Be a booming market.

On the surface it seems retarded to think doping can improve your serve,
but this is rst where most analysis is off the planet.

[MBDunc]

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 12:20:45 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:
> If drugs exist to make you serve better, volley better etc why don't
> they market it to amateurs? Be a booming market.
>
> On the surface it seems retarded to think doping can improve your serve,
> but this is rst where most analysis is off the planet.

Placebo? Any mental thingie can do wonders. You believe, you perform. You believe you have an edge over other - you perform.

Half of steroids use benefit is mental.

.mikko

[bob]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 17:36:41 -0700 (PDT), RaspingDrive

it's not his talent, it's his age and the fact he had to go through
peak djokovic, fed and even murray for his slams.


bob a

[Carey]

That kid Federer beating up on old Nadal, while no one else can do so...

oh, wait...


Thanks man!

[Guypers]

LOL, so easy to make fun of boobsy!

[RaspingDrive]

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 12:07:04 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 17:36:41 -0700 (PDT), RaspingDrive

> >> >I won't mind if he gets the 10th in 2017 but not too many of those after that :)
> >>
> >> his chance to catch fed was at AO. he let it slip, no way now, you can
> >> relax.
> >>
> >> bob
> >
> >Maybe you should relax your underestimation of his talent!
>
> it's not his talent, it's his age and the fact he had to go through
> peak djokovic, fed and even murray for his slams.

I am talking about his talent on clay! He can win one now and possibly next year. His wins on HC have been sparse, not much to do with Djok and co.

[The Iceberg]

Except Nadal is clearly out of sorts, you only have to watch him play the past 3 years - didn't see him at Monte Carlo, but certainly before he was and at AO he was well out of sorts.

[RaspingDrive]

Rafa was 'out of sorts' on HC until the end of 2008 as well. Then he beat Gonzalez, Simon, and Verdasco (compare: Zverev, Raonic, Dimitrov) to reach final and then beat Federer to have the 'out of sorts' tag removed and 'champion' tag inserted. On the other hand, he gains momentum in beating Zverev, Raonic, and Dimitrov only to get beaten by Federer in the final and now it was safe to remove the 'champion' tag and insert the 'out of sorts' tag. This kind of versatility came handy during the period following the 2010 USO win and 2013 USO win as well. The period between AO 2009 and USO 2010 could be easily ascribed to 'injury' hence also 'out of sorts'. Only Nadal can be blasted out of court each time and have the unique distinction of being 'out of sorts' EACH time the decimation was inflicted. The key word is EACH.

[kaennorsing]

Op maandag 1 mei 2017 09:54:27 UTC+2 schreef The Iceberg:

By making the AO final and nearly winning it for only the 2nd time in his career? LOL!

You're Icebrain is melting simply because he keeps losing to Federer. Out of sorts Nadal doesn't make hardcourt finals. And he not only made the AO final but two others before the clay season starts. Meaning his overall and hardcourt form right now is peaking.

[PeteWasLucky]

> You're Icebrain is melting simply because he keeps losing to Federer. Out of sorts Nadal doesn't make hardcourt finals. And he not only made the AO final but two others before the clay season starts. Meaning his overall and hardcourt form right now is peaking.

You will have to think what Icy would have said if it was Murray that won the AO 2017 beating Nadal in the final.

[Carey]

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 8:00:10 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:


> You will have to think what Icy would have said if it was Murray that won the AO 2017 beating Nadal in the final.

Yes, good thought.

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The only time I've seen fully healthy rafa being blown off the
court was by Tsonga in 08.
He was injured in his match vs del Potro at USO 09
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[RaspingDrive]

Murray did much damage to him at USO 2008 semis. Stan damaged him in 2014. Djok did it at USO 2011. That Italian did it in 2015.

[The Iceberg]

no it's not, they are used to increase the amount of training you can do and to make you stronger.

[The Iceberg]

Nadal was knackered in the USO 2008 semis, Murray did well as he took advantage of this and it was tough fought, but Nadal was quite tired after that big season. Look it up on youtube and you'll see.

[The Iceberg]

yep, agreed, can't think of another time.

[The Iceberg]

Cos I always post what is 100% true, would say it for what it would be, Murray would've beaten an out of sorts Nadal! it like pretending the O2 final, Djoker was 100% full max peak, when he clearly wasn't! all credit to Murray for winning the semis, he played best level from the FO last year to the O2 pretty much since 2013.

[RaspingDrive]

What big season? He won his first Wimbledon and the usual FO title. Two slams is not big enough to 'knacker' a future GOAT contender. So he was 'out of sorts' at USO 2008! Just like I guessed you will say.

[RaspingDrive]

AO 2014. He came into the match destroying several good players including Federer. But you will say he was 'injured' and became 'out of sorts' during the final.

[*skriptis]

Can't say you've been crushed if you win a set.

[*skriptis]

But he was injured. He got hand blisters vs Dimitrov which
affected his serve motion which in turn caused back injury.


It's all known fact.

Look, the players are free to pick the style and intensity that
suites them. If he played softer vs Dinitrov he might not got
blisters and later back injury. But then again he could've lost
in that case and not see the final.

So no (*) for Wawrinka's title.

But was it fully fit Nadal? No.

[*skriptis]

Forgetting Toronto and the Olympics?

Monte Carlo. Barcelona, Hamburg, FO, Queen's, Wimbledon before
that. It's a tough schedule.

[bob]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 09:49:43 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>That kid Federer beating up on old Nadal, while no one else can do so...
>oh, wait...
>Thanks man!

fed has defied history by maintaining such a high level as he aged,
but don't expect others (like nadal) to be able to do so.

bob

[Court_1]

LOL! That`s exactly what Nadal IS doing in 2017! He`s looking like the big favorite to win the FO again at age 31. People were predicting Nadal would be dead and buried years ago and here he is number 2 in the rankings race and making improvements in his game(backhand and serve) to compensate for being slower.

[bob]

On Mon, 1 May 2017 16:50:38 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 7:45:26 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 09:49:43 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >That kid Federer beating up on old Nadal, while no one else can do so...
>> >oh, wait...
>> >Thanks man!
>>
>> fed has defied history by maintaining such a high level as he aged,
>> but don't expect others (like nadal) to be able to do so.
>
>LOL! That`s exactly what Nadal IS doing in 2017! He`s looking like the big favorite to win the FO again at age 31.

i agree he's made a very nice comeback, when i figured he was
completely dead. but he's not the old nadal. and he is 5 yrs younger
than fed. i'm just responding to carey who's repeatedly reminding me
that fed is older. some 45 year olds are younger than some 35 year
olds, right courty? :-)

> People were predicting Nadal would be dead and buried years ago and here he is number 2 in the rankings race and making improvements in his game(backhand and serve) to compensate for being slower.

bob

[Court_1]

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 8:12:36 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> >LOL! That`s exactly what Nadal IS doing in 2017! He`s looking like the big favorite to win the FO again at age 31.
>
> i agree he's made a very nice comeback, when i figured he was
> completely dead. but he's not the old nadal. and he is 5 yrs younger
> than fed.

No, he's not the old Nadal, he's the new Nadal who is re-inventing himself due to his slower movement. His serve and bh have improved more recently. He's making hc finals for the first time in years and he's #2 in the rankings race. He's looking like the favorite to win the FO. He's holding up well for an old guy in tennis just as Federer is. They are both incredible champions.

If Nadal wins the FO and makes finals off clay(and may even win some off clay) you can't continue with the Nadal is done and dusted argument and is worse than Federer even though he is five years younger. He was going toe to toe on a faster hc at the AO with Federer and nearly pulled off the victory against Federer. That doesn't sound like a Nadal who is much off peak. Nadal was losing to scrubs on hc when he was in his prime!

[bob]

On Mon, 1 May 2017 17:22:40 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 8:12:36 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
>
>> >LOL! That`s exactly what Nadal IS doing in 2017! He`s looking like the big favorite to win the FO again at age 31.
>>
>> i agree he's made a very nice comeback, when i figured he was
>> completely dead. but he's not the old nadal. and he is 5 yrs younger
>> than fed.
>
>No, he's not the old Nadal, he's the new Nadal who is re-inventing himself due to his slower movement. His serve and bh have improved more recently. He's making hc finals for the first time in years and he's #2 in the rankings race. He's looking like the favorite to win the FO. He's holding up well for an old guy in tennis just as Federer is. They are both incredible champions.

i agree. just saying that nadal has made a shift in his game that
nobody's recognizing, and it's obvious why nobody mentions it.

>If Nadal wins the FO and makes finals off clay(and may even win some off clay) you can't continue with the Nadal is done and dusted

done and dusted, no. but a shell of his former self? surely.

> argument and is worse than Federer even though he is five years younger. He was going toe to toe on a faster hc at the AO with Federer and nearly pulled off the victory against Federer. That doesn't sound like a Nadal who is much off peak. Nadal was losing to scrubs on hc when he was in his prime!

bob

[Court_1]

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 8:36:56 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:


> >
> >No, he's not the old Nadal, he's the new Nadal who is re-inventing himself due to his slower movement. His serve and bh have improved more recently. He's making hc finals for the first time in years and he's #2 in the rankings race. He's looking like the favorite to win the FO. He's holding up well for an old guy in tennis just as Federer is. They are both incredible champions.
>
> i agree. just saying that nadal has made a shift in his game that
> nobody's recognizing, and it's obvious why nobody mentions it.

Nadal was pummeling his fh to Fed's bh the exact same way he has been his entire life in the AO 2017 final and he almost won the match doing it. The difference was Fed instead of being a shrinking violet continued to unleash his bh and went all out in the fifth vs Nadal. It paid dividends. Whisper who is also a Fed hater can see it so why can't you? Give Fed some credit because he deserves it in this case. To be 35 years old and to finally have the courage to make that type of change to his game vs Nadal is big.

> >If Nadal wins the FO and makes finals off clay(and may even win some off clay) you can't continue with the Nadal is done and dusted
>
> done and dusted, no. but a shell of his former self? surely.

Well this "shell of his former self" is probably going to win the FO 2017 and has been making hc finals for the first time since 2013.

You sound as foolish as the Fedfuckers who claimed Fed was out of form due to mono in 2008/09 and yet he was making every slam final. Nadal was the better player vs Fed in those days but these days Fed has turned the tables and it isn't against a Nadal who is a shell of his former self if Nadal is making bloody hc finals and almost beat Fed on a quicker AO hc this year. Nadal and Fed are both past prime but both are showing their best form in years.

[RaspingDrive]

Stan crushed him like a bug in the first two sets. Then Stan gave an opening and Nadal capitalized. In set four it was Stan back to business. Same with the Djok vs Nadal USO 2011. It is similar to what Fed went through against Djok in AO 2016. He was crushed like a bug in the first two sets, then got a sliver of an opening which he capitalized on and then duly folded in the fourth.

[RaspingDrive]

I think you didn't watch AO 2014 semifinal.

[RaspingDrive]

He was running 22/23 and O was just three sets except in the finals. By your admission he was fully fit. He had not won the USO until then.

[*skriptis]

I did.

<http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/rafael-nadal-blisters-australian-
open-roger-federer>

[*skriptis]

I disagree, I can't say guy was crushed if he won a set. How do
you call FO 08 final then?

Djokovic vs Nadal in USO 11, just as Nadal vs Djokovic 2 years
later, were fairly one sided matches with one guy definitely
better. But they were high quality matches from both guys, with
the difference that the winner was able to have longer patches of
great play.

But the loser both times put up a good fight and scare the shit
out of his opponent. Nadal coming from behind to win that
tiebreak in 2011, or djokovic turning superman for a set and a
half in 2013.

In the end it looked comfortable but if you're sweating in horror
at any point during the match, you're not crushing your opponent.

[RaspingDrive]

Wow, you are still awake? It must be 3 or 4 in the morning in Croatia :)

[RaspingDrive]

Annihilation ;)

>
> Djokovic vs Nadal in USO 11, just as Nadal vs Djokovic 2 years
> later, were fairly one sided matches with one guy definitely
> better. But they were high quality matches from both guys, with
> the difference that the winner was able to have longer patches of
> great play.
>
> But the loser both times put up a good fight and scare the shit
> out of his opponent. Nadal coming from behind to win that
> tiebreak in 2011, or djokovic turning superman for a set and a
> half in 2013.
>
> In the end it looked comfortable but if you're sweating in horror
> at any point during the match, you're not crushing your opponent.

Never felt that way in 2011. Djok was winning and it was clear. Nadal just delayed the inevitable. It was a crushing. It became less so in 2012. Anyway, I am leaving now since I have to finish some work and I am already very very sleepy :)

[*skriptis]

RaspingDrive <raspin...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 11:30:03 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
>> RaspingDrive <raspin...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

>> > On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 6:01:03 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
>> >> RaspingDrive <raspin...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

>> >> >> --
>> >> >
>> >> > Murray did much damage to him at USO 2008 semis. Stan damaged him in 2014. Djok did it at USO 2011. That Italian did it in 2015.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Can't say you've been crushed if you win a set.
>> >
>> > Stan crushed him like a bug in the first two sets. Then Stan gave an opening and Nadal capitalized. In set four it was Stan back to business. Same with the Djok vs Nadal USO 2011. It is similar to what Fed went through against Djok in AO 2016. He was crushed like a bug in the first two sets, then got a sliver of an opening which he capitalized on and then duly folded in the fourth.
>> >
>>
>> I disagree, I can't say guy was crushed if he won a set. How do
>> you call FO 08 final then?
>
> Annihilation ;)
>
>>
>> Djokovic vs Nadal in USO 11, just as Nadal vs Djokovic 2 years
>> later, were fairly one sided matches with one guy definitely
>> better. But they were high quality matches from both guys, with
>> the difference that the winner was able to have longer patches of
>> great play.
>>
>> But the loser both times put up a good fight and scare the shit
>> out of his opponent. Nadal coming from behind to win that
>> tiebreak in 2011, or djokovic turning superman for a set and a
>> half in 2013.
>>
>> In the end it looked comfortable but if you're sweating in horror
>> at any point during the match, you're not crushing your opponent.
>
> Never felt that way in 2011. Djok was winning and it was clear. Nadal just delayed the inevitable. It was a crushing. It became less so in 2012. Anyway, I am leaving now since I have to finish some work and I am already very very sleepy :)
>

Good night to you then. ;)

I remember their 2011 match and intensity was incredible from the
start.
First four games were like how you'd play at 4-4 in the fifth.
Never seen it, before or after.

[MBDunc]

It has felt that it is 2006/2007 again. Well...

Arguably the five most prestigious tournaments (so far) have had same winners than 2006:

Fed: AO, IW, KB
Nadal: Monte Carlo, Barcelona

.mikko

[kaennorsing]

Op dinsdag 2 mei 2017 07:59:57 UTC+2 schreef MBDunc:

Yes, quite amazing. Plus NO losses for EITHER Fed OR Rafa in ANY of these tournaments other than to each other (Rafa to Fed). This is entirely different from the "out of sorts" type of play, which some of the looneys around this place would have you believe.

Both are peaking in form, albeit being obviously (much) older versions of their physical peak. Both have improved technical and tactical (and Fed the instrumental) parts of their game from their physical peak to compensate for the loss of youthfulness and dominate again... Let's see how long it lasts.

[RaspingDrive]

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 12:01:02 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:

> Good night to you then. ;)
>
> I remember their 2011 match and intensity was incredible from the
> start.
> First four games were like how you'd play at 4-4 in the fifth.
> Never seen it, before or after.

Good day, Skrips :)

Yes, for some time it may have been gripping but it was a crushing nevertheless :)

[heyg...@gmail.com]

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 8:36:56 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> On Mon, 1 May 2017 17:22:40 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
> <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 8:12:36 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
> >
> >> >LOL! That`s exactly what Nadal IS doing in 2017! He`s looking like the big favorite to win the FO again at age 31.
> >>
> >> i agree he's made a very nice comeback, when i figured he was
> >> completely dead. but he's not the old nadal. and he is 5 yrs younger
> >> than fed.
> >
> >No, he's not the old Nadal, he's the new Nadal who is re-inventing himself due to his slower movement. His serve and bh have improved more recently. He's making hc finals for the first time in years and he's #2 in the rankings race. He's looking like the favorite to win the FO. He's holding up well for an old guy in tennis just as Federer is. They are both incredible champions.
>
> i agree. just saying that nadal has made a shift in his game that
> nobody's recognizing, and it's obvious why nobody mentions it.
>

Nadal hitting flatter (though still with a ton of spin) is potentially irrelevant since Fed has shifted as well to taking the ball on the rise on the BH and driving it instead of slicing it. With Fed now taking the BH early, it doesn't really matter how high Nadal's ball would bounce because it's never going to get to shoulder height for Fed, which was his issue before.

[bob]

On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:09:59 -0700 (PDT), Court_1
<olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 8:36:56 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:
>
>
>> >
>> >No, he's not the old Nadal, he's the new Nadal who is re-inventing himself due to his slower movement. His serve and bh have improved more recently. He's making hc finals for the first time in years and he's #2 in the rankings race. He's looking like the favorite to win the FO. He's holding up well for an old guy in tennis just as Federer is. They are both incredible champions.
>>
>> i agree. just saying that nadal has made a shift in his game that
>> nobody's recognizing, and it's obvious why nobody mentions it.
>
>Nadal was pummeling his fh to Fed's bh the exact same way he has been his entire life in the AO 2017 final and he almost won the match doing it. The difference was Fed instead of being a shrinking violet continued to unleash his bh and went all out in the fifth vs Nadal. It paid dividends. Whisper who is also a Fed hater can see it so why can't you?

so now you're agreeing with whisper after 10 yrs of dismissing him?
gotcha.

> Give Fed some credit because he deserves it in this case. To be 35 years old and to finally have the courage to make that type of change to his game vs Nadal is big.


>> >If Nadal wins the FO and makes finals off clay(and may even win some off clay) you can't continue with the Nadal is done and dusted
>>
>> done and dusted, no. but a shell of his former self? surely.
>
>Well this "shell of his former self" is probably going to win the FO 2017 and has been making hc finals for the first time since 2013.

he won FO 9 times. most of those were walk throughs no sweat. and if
he wins 2017, which he hasn't yet, you're saying he's back to normal.

my gosh woman.

>You sound as foolish as the Fedfuckers who claimed Fed was out of form due to mono in 2008/09 and yet he was making every slam final.

federer had no reason to drop off. he didn't spend 2+ yrs losing
challengers at age 3+ for chrissakes.

my gosh woman.

> Nadal was the better player vs Fed in those days but these days Fed has turned the tables and it isn't against a Nadal who is a shell of his former self if Nadal is making bloody hc finals and almost beat Fed on a quicker AO hc this year. Nadal and Fed are both past prime but both are showing their best form in years.

bob

[bob]

thank you. finally someone posts what i've been baiting those to say.
and that's fine, but when nadal starts hitting the same and chasing
the same, he'll be NADAL.

do you not recall every fedfan in RST for a good 7-8 yrs saying nadal
was ONLY A RETRIEVER???? and now nadal's old, injured, and his
"retrieving" is down a couple notches, so how can he POSSIBLY be the
old nadal????

bob

[Court_1]

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 8:39:13 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:


> so now you're agreeing with whisper after 10 yrs of dismissing him?
> gotcha.

I haven't been posting here for 10 years! I think I started posting here in 2011? I'm saying that Whisper(a Fed hater) sees that Federer has been playing Nadal more aggressively on the bh side so why can't you?

> >Well this "shell of his former self" is probably going to win the FO 2017 and has been making hc finals for the first time since 2013.
>
> he won FO 9 times. most of those were walk throughs no sweat. and if
> he wins 2017, which he hasn't yet, you're saying he's back to normal.
>
> my gosh woman.

If he wins the FO after making hc finals for the first time since 2013 you would have to say he's in great form, yes! Again, if he won the AO beating Fed you would have not been harping on about his poor form. Federer has finally figured out how to play Nadal on the bh side and Fed should win most of their off clay matches if he keeps that up. It's not difficult to figure this out.

> >You sound as foolish as the Fedfuckers who claimed Fed was out of form due to mono in 2008/09 and yet he was making every slam final.
>
> federer had no reason to drop off. he didn't spend 2+ yrs losing
> challengers at age 3+ for chrissakes.

Federer hadn't won a slam since 2012! Then he came back in 2017 in better form and won the AO. Nadal was in poor form since early 2014 but he has come back as well and is in good form. They are both in good form. Fed is #1 in the points race and Nadal is #2! Nadal is playing the best he's played in years! His forehand is looking lethal again on clay!

[Court_1]

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 8:41:17 PM UTC-4, bob wrote:

> do you not recall every fedfan in RST for a good 7-8 yrs saying nadal
> was ONLY A RETRIEVER???? and now nadal's old, injured, and his
> "retrieving" is down a couple notches, so how can he POSSIBLY be the
> old nadal????
>
> bob

Nadal has made up for some of his loss in speed/great defense by improving his bh and now his serve! He's trying to play a little more aggressively. He's trying to evolve just as Fed is and has done! His forehand was inconsistent at IW and Miami but it looks like it's back to lethal form on clay!

Quit your nonsense!

[RaspingDrive]

Remember even the healthy retriever (2008-2014 Nadal, according to you) got blasted out by Rosol, Delpotro, Murray etc.

[Patrick Kehoe]

On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 9:37:24 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:
> on the 10th MC title. Starting AO 2017 his results have been F,F,4th,F,W, with the `F' and `4th' being on HCs where he was stopped mostly by a red-hot Federer, a HC ATG. He is in top form, it seems.

Rafa on the clay... truly amazing... what a legacy! Just superman on the red dirt!


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