OT: Rich Marxist college kids like Pelle wreck the neighbourhood cos they know better than residents LOL

[The Iceberg]

Good job Occasional-Cortex, PWL and Pelle types! 70% of blacks and 81% of Latinos wanted Amazon in NYC, BUT the good ole Marxists that wreck everything they touch wrecked it! LOL

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/15/abolishice-helped-kill-new-yorks-amazon-hq-deal/

This was not a populist uprising against a big business seeking subsidies. According to polling data, most Queens residents supported Amazon’s move to New York, but their voices were overwhelmed by the activists. Among black voters, 70 percent supported the Amazon deal, while only 25 percent objected. Among Latinos, 81 percent supported Amazon with only 17 percent opposing. Whites were less enthusiastic, with just 51 percent favoring and 40 percent opposing.

[Calimero]

Hopefully this nutty bartender gets primaried next year.


Max

[Sawfish]

I've been following this because it illustrates bizarre ironies in the
radical progressive movement, as it is currently developing in NY.

Of the "$3B", $1.8B were actually true direct payments to Amazon. They
were not from the general fund, however, but from two earmarked funds
used to stimulate economic growth in the city: the Relocation and
Employment Assistance Program, and the Industrial and Commercial
Abatement Program. The remaining $1.2B would be in the form of tax
credits under the Excelsior program. These are tax credits against
employee payrolls, and credits for property tax. All are tied to
specific target levels met by Amazon.

The area to be redeveloped was adjacent to a  very large public housing
project, and owing to this, I believe that a central driving force in
opposition to the Amazon project were anti-gentrification sentiments.

My reading of the way the deal was developing, it looks like a
preliminary non-binding agreement had been reached and during the final
negotiations, the progressive "opposition" was using the issues of
unionization, crowding, transportation, and finally the anti-ICE demand
as bargaining levers to gain further concessions from Amazon.

They failed to understand that Amazon has been courted actively by many
other major cities, and were in a position of great strength: if NYC was
unwilling to meet most of Amazon's bargaining points, they could just
pick up and go elsewhere and many other first-rate cities would bend
over backwards to accommodate them. For certain Portland, OR would have,
and politically they're somewhat to the left of Berkeley, CA.

So, Amazon just abruptly pulled the plug, probably much to the surprise
of even O-C and her faction.

To me, it looks as if O-C had no idea of how this sort of a deal worked,
nor any clear idea of where the money NYC was using to entice Amazon to
locate in Queens would come from. And less idea of the longer-term
benefits to NYC in the years to come. She failed to understand that the
$3B was in the nature of a thinly veiled bribe--which all candidate
cities were prepared to pay--that was needed to land the deal.

She saw it instead as "big money vs the underdog", and really not much
deeper than that. So when Amazon pulled out, it possibly surprised her,
and she is attempting to portray the loss of Amazon as a great victory,
somehow. And in a sense, it's a conservative victory because instead of
change in the affected areas, things will remain the same for the
foreseeable future. And resistance to change is at the heart of
conservatism.

So now those who voted for her last November have her to thank for
squelching the Amazon deal. Perhaps they'll be surprised to learn that
they're conservatives.

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[Sawfish]

On 2/16/19 5:13 AM, The Iceberg wrote:

I've been following this because it illustrates bizarre ironies in the
radical progressive movement, as it is currently developing in NY.

Of the "$3B", $1.8B were actually true direct payments to Amazon. They
were not from the general fund, however, but from two earmarked funds
used to stimulate economic growth in the city: the Relocation and
Employment Assistance Program, and the Industrial and Commercial
Abatement Program. The remaining $1.2B would be in the form of tax
credits under the Excelsior program. These are tax credits against
employee payrolls, and credits for property tax. All are tied to
specific target levels met by Amazon.

The area to be redeveloped was adjacent to a  very large public housing
project, and owing to this, I believe that a central driving force in
opposition to the Amazon project were anti-gentrification sentiments.

My reading of the way the deal was developing, it looks like a
preliminary non-binding agreement had been reached and during the final
negotiations, the progressive "opposition" was using the issues of
unionization, crowding, transportation, and finally the anti-ICE demand
as bargaining levers to gain further concessions from Amazon.

They failed to understand that Amazon has been courted actively by many
other major cities, and were in a position of great strength: if NYC was
unwilling to meet most of Amazon's bargaining points, they could just
pick up and go elsewhere and many other first-rate cities would bend
over backwards to accommodate them. For certain Portland, OR would have,

and politically they're somewhat t the left of Berkeley, CA.

So, they just abruptly pulled the pull, probably much to the surprise of

even O-C and her faction.

To me, it looks as if O-C had no idea of how this sort of a deal worked,
nor any clear idea of where the money NYC was using to entice Amazon to
locate in Queens would come from. And less idea of the longer-term
benefits to NYC in the years to come. She failed to understand that the
$3B was in the nature of a thinly veiled bribe--which all candidate

cities were prepared to pay-- that was needed to land the deal.

She saw it instead as "big money vs the underdog", and really not much

deeper than that. So when Amazon pulled out, it possibly surprised here,

and she is attempting to portray the loss of Amazon as a great victory,

somehow. An in a sense, it's a conservative victory because instead of
change in the affected areas, things will remain the for the foreseeable