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grif
May 22, 2012, 11:35:38 AM5/22/12
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Simon Cambers
Monday, 21 May 2012
Exclusive Pete Sampras interview: Sampras tells The Tennis Space that
his friend Roger Federer will carry on playing, and challenging for
grand slams, “for many, many years” as he will avoid burnout. The
Californian argues that Federer “is a young 30 who is very eager, plays
a lot and loves the lifestyle of being on the road – I don’t see any
decline”.
Sampras also talks about the influence that his former coach, Paul
Annacone, has had on Federer, and how he is “getting used to Roger
breaking my records” – this summer, Federer could go level with Sampras
on seven Wimbledon titles, and one more week as the No 1 would see him
match the American’s record of 286 weeks at the top of the tree.
Sampras on whether Federer can win another slam. “Yes, I still think
Roger can win a slam. He still seems very motivated. He loves to travel,
he loves to play. He’s sort of a young 30-year-old. He’s very eager, he
plays a lot, he loves the lifestyle of being on the road. When I was his
age, I just felt a little more tired and burnt out after the years of
travelling. He enjoys the lifestyle, and as a result he’s going to play
for many, many years.
“His level is still very high and he could very easily….winning in Paris
is a tough one but I still think he’s the favourite at Wimbledon and the
US Open in a few months’ time is still a realistic win for him. I don’t
see any decline, I just think some guys have stepped it up in the last
three or four years and they’re in their prime now. But Roger still has
a great attitude, he’s still playing great and he loves it out there. I
don’t see him getting burned out or tired, he’s still very eager.”
Sampras on Federer’s chances at Wimbledon. “Listen, he’s a strong
favourite, as is Novak, as is Rafa, it’s really, not a lot separates the
top three or four guys. At Wimbledon this year you’ve got a few guys who
are stepping it up a little bit but when push comes to shove I still
like the top three or four guys to be in there in the last weekend.
Roger’s been there so many times, he knows what to do. It’s really
anyone’s. The top four guys are so much better than the rest it really
just comes down to when they play, getting the breaks and playing a
little better, feeling better, who’s had the easier first week. But I
still like Roger on the grass. He has the best game for the surface, but
we’ll see.”
Sampras on Federer breaking his records. “Roger’s very eager, willing to
put in the work, is still training very hard and I see him being a
contender and a favourite at Wimbledon. I don’t think being No 1 again
is as important to him as a Wimbledon would be but obviously everything
goes hand in hand. So, I’m used to Roger breaking my records, that’s the
way it’s been for a number of years. There’s nothing I can do about it.
I would just sit here being impressed at what Roger’s been able to do.
“I know how hard it is to stay on top for many years, and I think it’s
easier to have my records broken by a guy who I admire and who I
consider a friend. It’ll make it a little bit easier. When we all play,
we want to keep our records for ever but we know that records can be
broken and most likely will be broken. Roger’s done incredible things on
and off the court and really deserves all the accolades of being a great
champion.”
Sampras on the influence of Paul Annacone, his former coach, who is now
working with Federer. “I think Paul’s very smart. He knows what it’s
like to be out there. He coached me for many years, he’s smart with
different personalities, what I might want to hear, what Roger might
want to hear, or Tim [Henman], for a few years. He’s not a guy who is
going to need to tell Roger a lot of things but to have Paul in his
corner can help him figure out a few things, like how to play a lefty in
Rafa, how to cope with Novak and his speed, try to think of different
ways to beat these guys, if it’s coming in a little more, being a little
more strategic, because Roger played one way and he was so much better
than everyone.
“Now the guys are moving a little better, playing a bit better, he’s got
to find new ways. Paul’s very smart, he knows the players. He’s been
with Roger quite a while now so he knows what Roger can do and what he
can say. It’s been a good fit. I know from talking to Paul, he really
likes Roger and enjoys the time they have together, and it’s a good match.”
Sampras on how Annacone stays calm. “He is very relaxed, doesn’t get too
wrapped up on anything, and he’s there for you. But when he needs to
step up, he’ll step up and say what he has to say, be very honest. But
he does it in a very calm demeanour, he’s not a distraction to Roger.
When I was playing I never thought, ‘God, he’s scheduling interviews,
he’s doing…..’ Paul was about the job and about the player. In a day and
age, when you have coaches looking to do other things, looking at other
opportunities, Paul was always in my corner and I always liked that
loyalty.”
Coming soon on The Tennis Space: Pete Sampras on how Roger Federer needs
to approach his matches with Rafael Nadal.
http://www.thetennisspace.com/opinion/sampras-exclusive-i-see-no-decline-with-federer/
Monday, 21 May 2012
Exclusive Pete Sampras interview: Sampras tells The Tennis Space that
his friend Roger Federer will carry on playing, and challenging for
grand slams, “for many, many years” as he will avoid burnout. The
Californian argues that Federer “is a young 30 who is very eager, plays
a lot and loves the lifestyle of being on the road – I don’t see any
decline”.
Sampras also talks about the influence that his former coach, Paul
Annacone, has had on Federer, and how he is “getting used to Roger
breaking my records” – this summer, Federer could go level with Sampras
on seven Wimbledon titles, and one more week as the No 1 would see him
match the American’s record of 286 weeks at the top of the tree.
Sampras on whether Federer can win another slam. “Yes, I still think
Roger can win a slam. He still seems very motivated. He loves to travel,
he loves to play. He’s sort of a young 30-year-old. He’s very eager, he
plays a lot, he loves the lifestyle of being on the road. When I was his
age, I just felt a little more tired and burnt out after the years of
travelling. He enjoys the lifestyle, and as a result he’s going to play
for many, many years.
“His level is still very high and he could very easily….winning in Paris
is a tough one but I still think he’s the favourite at Wimbledon and the
US Open in a few months’ time is still a realistic win for him. I don’t
see any decline, I just think some guys have stepped it up in the last
three or four years and they’re in their prime now. But Roger still has
a great attitude, he’s still playing great and he loves it out there. I
don’t see him getting burned out or tired, he’s still very eager.”
Sampras on Federer’s chances at Wimbledon. “Listen, he’s a strong
favourite, as is Novak, as is Rafa, it’s really, not a lot separates the
top three or four guys. At Wimbledon this year you’ve got a few guys who
are stepping it up a little bit but when push comes to shove I still
like the top three or four guys to be in there in the last weekend.
Roger’s been there so many times, he knows what to do. It’s really
anyone’s. The top four guys are so much better than the rest it really
just comes down to when they play, getting the breaks and playing a
little better, feeling better, who’s had the easier first week. But I
still like Roger on the grass. He has the best game for the surface, but
we’ll see.”
Sampras on Federer breaking his records. “Roger’s very eager, willing to
put in the work, is still training very hard and I see him being a
contender and a favourite at Wimbledon. I don’t think being No 1 again
is as important to him as a Wimbledon would be but obviously everything
goes hand in hand. So, I’m used to Roger breaking my records, that’s the
way it’s been for a number of years. There’s nothing I can do about it.
I would just sit here being impressed at what Roger’s been able to do.
“I know how hard it is to stay on top for many years, and I think it’s
easier to have my records broken by a guy who I admire and who I
consider a friend. It’ll make it a little bit easier. When we all play,
we want to keep our records for ever but we know that records can be
broken and most likely will be broken. Roger’s done incredible things on
and off the court and really deserves all the accolades of being a great
champion.”
Sampras on the influence of Paul Annacone, his former coach, who is now
working with Federer. “I think Paul’s very smart. He knows what it’s
like to be out there. He coached me for many years, he’s smart with
different personalities, what I might want to hear, what Roger might
want to hear, or Tim [Henman], for a few years. He’s not a guy who is
going to need to tell Roger a lot of things but to have Paul in his
corner can help him figure out a few things, like how to play a lefty in
Rafa, how to cope with Novak and his speed, try to think of different
ways to beat these guys, if it’s coming in a little more, being a little
more strategic, because Roger played one way and he was so much better
than everyone.
“Now the guys are moving a little better, playing a bit better, he’s got
to find new ways. Paul’s very smart, he knows the players. He’s been
with Roger quite a while now so he knows what Roger can do and what he
can say. It’s been a good fit. I know from talking to Paul, he really
likes Roger and enjoys the time they have together, and it’s a good match.”
Sampras on how Annacone stays calm. “He is very relaxed, doesn’t get too
wrapped up on anything, and he’s there for you. But when he needs to
step up, he’ll step up and say what he has to say, be very honest. But
he does it in a very calm demeanour, he’s not a distraction to Roger.
When I was playing I never thought, ‘God, he’s scheduling interviews,
he’s doing…..’ Paul was about the job and about the player. In a day and
age, when you have coaches looking to do other things, looking at other
opportunities, Paul was always in my corner and I always liked that
loyalty.”
Coming soon on The Tennis Space: Pete Sampras on how Roger Federer needs
to approach his matches with Rafael Nadal.
http://www.thetennisspace.com/opinion/sampras-exclusive-i-see-no-decline-with-federer/
moduli
May 22, 2012, 11:47:30 AM5/22/12
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On 2012-05-22, grif <griff...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Simon Cambers
>
> Monday, 21 May 2012
>
>
> Exclusive Pete Sampras interview: Sampras tells The Tennis Space that
> his friend Roger Federer will carry on playing, and challenging for
> grand slams, “for many, many years” as he will avoid burnout. The
> Californian argues that Federer “is a young 30 who is very eager, plays
> a lot and loves the lifestyle of being on the road – I don’t see any
> decline”.
So he's saying Roger will not suffer a significant dip in performance
> Simon Cambers
>
> Monday, 21 May 2012
>
>
> Exclusive Pete Sampras interview: Sampras tells The Tennis Space that
> his friend Roger Federer will carry on playing, and challenging for
> grand slams, “for many, many years” as he will avoid burnout. The
> Californian argues that Federer “is a young 30 who is very eager, plays
> a lot and loves the lifestyle of being on the road – I don’t see any
> decline”.
in the coming years, not that Roger is still at peak :-)
> plays a lot, he loves the lifestyle of being on the road. When I was his
> age, I just felt a little more tired and burnt out after the years of
> travelling. He enjoys the lifestyle, and as a result he’s going to play
> for many, many years.
him staying in Europe more often. Likely will skip IW and/or Miami?
> “His level is still very high and he could very easily….winning in Paris
> is a tough one but I still think he’s the favourite at Wimbledon and the
> US Open in a few months’ time is still a realistic win for him. I don’t
> see any decline, I just think some guys have stepped it up in the last
> three or four years and they’re in their prime now. But Roger still has
> a great attitude, he’s still playing great and he loves it out there. I
> don’t see him getting burned out or tired, he’s still very eager.”
>
> Sampras on how Annacone stays calm. “He is very relaxed, doesn’t get too
> wrapped up on anything, and he’s there for you. But when he needs to
> step up, he’ll step up and say what he has to say, be very honest. But
> he does it in a very calm demeanour, he’s not a distraction to Roger.
it's not clear what changes he's made. His returning seems more aggressive on the backhand.
> http://www.thetennisspace.com/opinion/sampras-exclusive-i-see-no-decline-with-federer/
PeteWasLucky
May 22, 2012, 11:52:14 AM5/22/12
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He started questioning himself about the time he spends away from his
daughters and family, it's the begining of the end for him, which is
not very far, and if there is no slam for him in the next 12 months,
he will quit, but then he will be thinking about quiting on a high
note which may delay his retirement.
moduli
May 22, 2012, 11:56:53 AM5/22/12
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see completely quitting in the near future or retiring even if he should win another slam.
Pelle Svanslös
May 22, 2012, 1:59:21 PM5/22/12
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On 22.5.2012 17:35, grif wrote:
> I don�t
Yup. Rogi agrees with this too. Everybody of note does. Rogi plays
better than ever, peaking in fact.
You're right about the other guys too. It's not the garden of Eden, it's
not the summer of love, it's not 2003 anymore.
You're da man, Pete.
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> I don�t
> see any decline, I just think some guys have stepped it up in the last
> three or four years and they�re in their prime now.
Yup. Rogi agrees with this too. Everybody of note does. Rogi plays
better than ever, peaking in fact.
You're right about the other guys too. It's not the garden of Eden, it's
not the summer of love, it's not 2003 anymore.
You're da man, Pete.
--
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grif
May 22, 2012, 2:01:10 PM5/22/12
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On 22/05/2012 16:47, moduli wrote:
> On 2012-05-22, grif<griff...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Simon Cambers
>>
>> Monday, 21 May 2012
>>
>>
>> Exclusive Pete Sampras interview: Sampras tells The Tennis Space that
>> his friend Roger Federer will carry on playing, and challenging for
>> grand slams, “for many, many years” as he will avoid burnout. The
>> Californian argues that Federer “is a young 30 who is very eager, plays
>> a lot and loves the lifestyle of being on the road – I don’t see any
>> decline”.
>
> So he's saying Roger will not suffer a significant dip in performance
> in the coming years, not that Roger is still at peak :-)
>
I don't necessarily agree with what he says, but Pete is talking about
> On 2012-05-22, grif<griff...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Simon Cambers
>>
>> Monday, 21 May 2012
>>
>>
>> Exclusive Pete Sampras interview: Sampras tells The Tennis Space that
>> his friend Roger Federer will carry on playing, and challenging for
>> grand slams, “for many, many years” as he will avoid burnout. The
>> Californian argues that Federer “is a young 30 who is very eager, plays
>> a lot and loves the lifestyle of being on the road – I don’t see any
>> decline”.
>
> So he's saying Roger will not suffer a significant dip in performance
> in the coming years, not that Roger is still at peak :-)
>
the last 3 or 4 years:
Pete: "I don’t see any decline, I just think some guys have stepped it
drew
May 22, 2012, 3:48:10 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 11:47 am, moduli <mathd...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > plays a lot, he loves the lifestyle of being on the road. When I was his
> > age, I just felt a little more tired and burnt out after the years of
> > travelling. He enjoys the lifestyle, and as a result he’s going to play
> > for many, many years.
What's many, many years? Four? Can't see Federer playing past 35.
> > plays a lot, he loves the lifestyle of being on the road. When I was his
> > age, I just felt a little more tired and burnt out after the years of
> > travelling. He enjoys the lifestyle, and as a result he’s going to play
> > for many, many years.
But then Sampras
isn't the brightest tool in the shed. Probably thinks he could have
played until 40 if he hadn't got
tired of losing.
Sure, Federer could keep playing until 40 ranked 120 in the world but
I can't see that happening. What would
be the purpose? He's got a sufficiently healthy ego that would
prevent him from entering events and getting whacked
by nobodies in the first round.
moduli
May 22, 2012, 4:12:26 PM5/22/12
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MuzzasaurusreX - 0 slams and counting.
May 22, 2012, 5:00:50 PM5/22/12
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Pete just said what everyone that Felangey calls "trolls" have been
saying for a very long time.
Court_1
May 22, 2012, 5:12:44 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 5:00 pm, "MuzzasaurusreX - 0 slams and counting."
Stop being a troll yourself. All you do is come on here and spew
hatred at Federer and you are not very experienced and knowledgeable
about tennis and tennis history, I am sorry. Sampras is trying to say
Federer at 30 is still pretty good and competitive. He does not mean
Federer at 30 is playing at the same level he played at when he was in
his prime. Not even Sampras could really be that stupid. He is trying
to build his friend up in the media when he is asked. What is he going
to say? Federer has declined quite a bit and his chances of winning a
slam are not so good? It is all media propaganda. Don't be so naive
and stupid.
hatred at Federer and you are not very experienced and knowledgeable
about tennis and tennis history, I am sorry. Sampras is trying to say
Federer at 30 is still pretty good and competitive. He does not mean
Federer at 30 is playing at the same level he played at when he was in
his prime. Not even Sampras could really be that stupid. He is trying
to build his friend up in the media when he is asked. What is he going
to say? Federer has declined quite a bit and his chances of winning a
slam are not so good? It is all media propaganda. Don't be so naive
and stupid.
MuzzasaurusreX - 0 slams and counting.
May 22, 2012, 5:21:24 PM5/22/12
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of that year. And to that quote all the fedfans spewed he same stuff.
So at what point do you concede that it's true.
- Federer himself has said that he is playing as well as ever in
November 2011 when he won those 5 / 6 titles in a row or whatever it
was
- Sampras has said fed plays well as ever.
Many other players ahve said that fed is as good as ever and that it's
just been because of tougher competition that he does not win slams
anymore.
IE. If no ndal/djoker - fed would still win 3/4 slams every year aged
30. ... just like he did in 2003.....
How many other greats have to say that fed now is as good as ever for
you to believe it?
Thomas R. Kettler
May 22, 2012, 5:30:44 PM5/22/12
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In article
<130f8076-47dc-423c...@t2g2000pbl.googlegroups.com>,
losing in the first round at Roland Garros.
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<130f8076-47dc-423c...@t2g2000pbl.googlegroups.com>,
drew <dr...@technologist.com> wrote:
> On May 22, 11:47 am, moduli <mathd...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > > plays a lot, he loves the lifestyle of being on the road. When I was his
> > > age, I just felt a little more tired and burnt out after the years of
> > > travelling. He enjoys the lifestyle, and as a result heąs going to play
> On May 22, 11:47 am, moduli <mathd...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > > plays a lot, he loves the lifestyle of being on the road. When I was his
> > > age, I just felt a little more tired and burnt out after the years of
> > > for many, many years.
>
> What's many, many years? Four? Can't see Federer playing past 35.
> But then Sampras
> isn't the brightest tool in the shed. Probably thinks he could have
> played until 40 if he hadn't got
> tired of losing.
>
> Sure, Federer could keep playing until 40 ranked 120 in the world but
> I can't see that happening. What would
> be the purpose? He's got a sufficiently healthy ego that would
> prevent him from entering events and getting whacked
> by nobodies in the first round.
That's true. Not everyone can be as accepting of that as Sampras was in
>
> What's many, many years? Four? Can't see Federer playing past 35.
> But then Sampras
> isn't the brightest tool in the shed. Probably thinks he could have
> played until 40 if he hadn't got
> tired of losing.
>
> Sure, Federer could keep playing until 40 ranked 120 in the world but
> I can't see that happening. What would
> be the purpose? He's got a sufficiently healthy ego that would
> prevent him from entering events and getting whacked
> by nobodies in the first round.
losing in the first round at Roland Garros.
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Court_1
May 22, 2012, 5:35:41 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 5:21 pm, "MuzzasaurusreX - 0 slams and counting."
At no point. I am not a blind follower who believes everything the
media states. Federer knows he is not anywhere near his best level,
although he is so talented that even a level below his best is still
good enough to be at the top.
> - Federer himself has said that he is playing as well as ever in
> November 2011 when he won those 5 / 6 titles in a row or whatever it
> was
> - Sampras has said fed plays well as ever.
All media propaganda to sell the sport of tennis. Wake up!
> Many other players ahve said that fed is as good as ever and that it's
> just been because of tougher competition that he does not win slams
> anymore.
All BS.
> IE. If no ndal/djoker - fed would still win 3/4 slams every year aged
> 30. ... just like he did in 2003.....
>
> How many other greats have to say that fed now is as good as ever for
> you to believe it?
I will never believe any of it because I, as an intelligent person,
know that it is all media-induced propaganda to help sell the sport of
tennis to the masses, who may not be as knowledgeable as some more
shrewd tennis followers. Clearly you must be in that "masses" category
or perhaps just a Fed hater who is bored because Murray can't win a
slam to save his life? ;)
media states. Federer knows he is not anywhere near his best level,
although he is so talented that even a level below his best is still
good enough to be at the top.
> - Federer himself has said that he is playing as well as ever in
> November 2011 when he won those 5 / 6 titles in a row or whatever it
> was
> - Sampras has said fed plays well as ever.
> Many other players ahve said that fed is as good as ever and that it's
> just been because of tougher competition that he does not win slams
> anymore.
> IE. If no ndal/djoker - fed would still win 3/4 slams every year aged
> 30. ... just like he did in 2003.....
>
> How many other greats have to say that fed now is as good as ever for
> you to believe it?
know that it is all media-induced propaganda to help sell the sport of
tennis to the masses, who may not be as knowledgeable as some more
shrewd tennis followers. Clearly you must be in that "masses" category
or perhaps just a Fed hater who is bored because Murray can't win a
slam to save his life? ;)
Wile E.
May 22, 2012, 7:33:07 PM5/22/12
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On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:59:21 AM UTC-7, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> On 22.5.2012 17:35, grif wrote:
>
> > I don�t
> > see any decline, I just think some guys have stepped it up in the last
> > three or four years and they�re in their prime now.
>
> Yup. Rogi agrees with this too. Everybody of note does. Rogi plays
> better than ever, peaking in fact.
>
> You're right about the other guys too. It's not the garden of Eden, it's
> not the summer of love, it's not 2003 anymore.
>
> You're da man, Pete.
Sampras is BSing, and what else is he suppose to say,
> On 22.5.2012 17:35, grif wrote:
>
> > I don�t
> > see any decline, I just think some guys have stepped it up in the last
> > three or four years and they�re in their prime now.
>
> Yup. Rogi agrees with this too. Everybody of note does. Rogi plays
> better than ever, peaking in fact.
>
> You're right about the other guys too. It's not the garden of Eden, it's
> not the summer of love, it's not 2003 anymore.
>
> You're da man, Pete.
"ghee old man Federer still owned by Nadal, nothing
new here", etc. etc. He can't really tell the truth
about Federer, so he BSs.
>
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TT
May 22, 2012, 7:55:00 PM5/22/12
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23.5.2012 0:35, Court_1 kirjoitti:
>> How many other greats have to say that fed now is as good as ever for
>> > you to believe it?
> I will never believe any of it because I, as an intelligent person,
> know that it is all media-induced propaganda to help sell the sport of
> tennis to the masses, who may not be as knowledgeable as some more
> shrewd tennis followers.
Yet you bought the "goat"-hype, didn't you...
>> How many other greats have to say that fed now is as good as ever for
>> > you to believe it?
> I will never believe any of it because I, as an intelligent person,
> know that it is all media-induced propaganda to help sell the sport of
> tennis to the masses, who may not be as knowledgeable as some more
> shrewd tennis followers.
Court_1
May 22, 2012, 8:30:42 PM5/22/12
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possible to say who the greatest of all time is but I think Federer is
one of the greatest of all time and definitely the greatest of the
last 10 years. I would say if I had to that Federer and Laver are up
there as two of the greatest greats.
Gracchus
May 22, 2012, 9:24:38 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 6:33 pm, "Wile E." <jsm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sampras is BSing, and what else is he suppose to say,
> "ghee old man Federer still owned by Nadal, nothing
> new here", etc. etc. He can't really tell the truth
> about Federer, so he BSs.
LOL. Well he's not about to trade his line of BS for yours, Baba Looey.
> Sampras is BSing, and what else is he suppose to say,
> "ghee old man Federer still owned by Nadal, nothing
> new here", etc. etc. He can't really tell the truth
> about Federer, so he BSs.
bob
May 22, 2012, 10:01:00 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 19:59:21 +0200, Pelle Svanslös <pe...@svans.los>
wrote:
>On 22.5.2012 17:35, grif wrote:
>
>> I don’t
ain't so.
bob
wrote:
>On 22.5.2012 17:35, grif wrote:
>
>> see any decline, I just think some guys have stepped it up in the last
>> three or four years and they’re in their prime now.
>
>Yup. Rogi agrees with this too. Everybody of note does. Rogi plays
>better than ever, peaking in fact.
>
>You're right about the other guys too. It's not the garden of Eden, it's
>not the summer of love, it's not 2003 anymore.
>
>You're da man, Pete.
everybody sees this except some fedfans who have a motive to say it
>Yup. Rogi agrees with this too. Everybody of note does. Rogi plays
>better than ever, peaking in fact.
>
>You're right about the other guys too. It's not the garden of Eden, it's
>not the summer of love, it's not 2003 anymore.
>
>You're da man, Pete.
ain't so.
bob
bob
May 22, 2012, 10:02:52 PM5/22/12
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probably playing as well as he ever has.
where i disagree with sampras is in saying that fed can keep this up
for yrs. IMO *this (2012) is his year* to make waves.
bob
Superdave
May 22, 2012, 10:04:45 PM5/22/12
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Court_1
May 22, 2012, 10:07:09 PM5/22/12
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houses should not throw stones. You are just as agenda-driven as any
other complete nut on this board. You are far from an objective poster
on this subject. You hate Federer, who is going to believe you?
Gracchus
May 22, 2012, 10:09:55 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 9:01 pm, bob <stein...@comcast.net> wrote:
> everybody sees this except some fedfans who have a motive to say it
> ain't so.
Wrong. It is common sense that a professional athlete at 30 is not
> everybody sees this except some fedfans who have a motive to say it
> ain't so.
what he was at 20 or 25. If you were to clinically measure the speed,
reflexes, etc. of the same person each year, you would see the decline
scientifically confirmed. In fact, I would be surprised if this hasn't
been done plenty of times. There are things athletes can do to
compensate for a while, and experience can count for a lot in doing
this. But there is steady decline, nevertheless.
Pelle Svanslös
May 23, 2012, 1:40:53 AM5/23/12
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On 22.5.2012 23:35, Court_1 wrote:
> On May 22, 5:21 pm, "MuzzasaurusreX - 0 slams and counting."
> On May 22, 5:21 pm, "MuzzasaurusreX - 0 slams and counting."
>> - Sampras has said fed plays well as ever.
>
> All media propaganda to sell the sport of tennis. Wake up!
But rumours, the juicier the credibler. Those are the ones we believe,
>
> All media propaganda to sell the sport of tennis. Wake up!
right?
Rogi says he's better than ever himself.
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Superdave
May 23, 2012, 3:50:15 AM5/23/12
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he cheats? is THAT not obvious to you ?
Carey
May 23, 2012, 4:08:56 AM5/23/12
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On May 22, 7:02 pm, bob <stein...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), "MuzzasaurusreX - 0 slams
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 14:21:24 -0700 (PDT), "MuzzasaurusreX - 0 slams
>
>
>
>
>
Gracchus
May 23, 2012, 4:00:03 AM5/23/12
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On May 23, 12:40 am, Pelle Svanslös <pe...@svans.los> wrote:
> Rogi says he's better than ever himself.
Maybe he believes it and maybe he doesn't. Why would someone still
> Rogi says he's better than ever himself.
vying for major titles want to let the competition know that *he*
thinks he's slipping?
drew
May 23, 2012, 10:39:32 AM5/23/12
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On May 22, 5:21 pm, "MuzzasaurusreX - 0 slams and counting."
We can't test this hypothesis, can we? But how many majors have been
won by guys in
their 30s over the last 30 years?
Let me guess: 3 by Connors, 3 by Agassi, 1 by Sampras and 1 by
Gomez...Did I miss any?
Thats 8 out of 120 majors. So there's about a 7% chance that a player
over 30 will win a major.
Asking a player if he's still playing good tennis is like asking an
aging actress if she looks as good as
she did 10 years ago.
Usually statistics don't lie but people tend to...especially when ego
enters the picture.
won by guys in
their 30s over the last 30 years?
Let me guess: 3 by Connors, 3 by Agassi, 1 by Sampras and 1 by
Gomez...Did I miss any?
Thats 8 out of 120 majors. So there's about a 7% chance that a player
over 30 will win a major.
Asking a player if he's still playing good tennis is like asking an
aging actress if she looks as good as
she did 10 years ago.
Usually statistics don't lie but people tend to...especially when ego
enters the picture.
drew
May 23, 2012, 10:51:17 AM5/23/12
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On May 22, 10:01 pm, bob <stein...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> everybody sees this except some fedfans who have a motive to say it
> ain't so.
Tennis pros don't peak in their 30s. They peak in their 20s. Some
>
> everybody sees this except some fedfans who have a motive to say it
> ain't so.
journeymen
manage their best results in their early 30s but the very best show
their best stuff
before the age of 25.
Doesn't mean it's impossible to win a major at age 30.....but it
happens less than 10% of the
time.
But don't let reality interfere with your agent provocateur M.O.
By the way...did you know that the Greek economy is NOT in recession?
Things there have never been better.
Patrick Kehoe
May 23, 2012, 11:08:30 AM5/23/12
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believing... he has to stay focused and fortified as not only Nole and
Rafa attack but the enemy that cannot be defeated takes aim at him:
TIME...
P
Patrick Kehoe
May 23, 2012, 11:11:01 AM5/23/12
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seeing only Fed's elegant brilliance, even with the storm clouds
continuously gathering over time?
:))
P
Iceberg
May 23, 2012, 11:24:45 AM5/23/12
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doubtless say it again, despite last year's FO and YEC you're like
rats jumping a sinking the SS Fed. Have some loyalty disgusting
Fedfans!
drew
May 23, 2012, 12:51:36 PM5/23/12
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On May 23, 11:24 am, Iceberg <iceberg.ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
Have some loyalty disgusting
> Fedfans
Most people who watch tennis probably don't expect their favourite
players to keep winning forever.
There are a few fanatics like the ones who thought Sampras could come
back at 37 and win Wimbledon after 5 years
away from the tour. And one other down under who believed that the
exo series between Sampras and Federer was
anything but a way to hype the sport and generate some cash.
There are fans and there are fanatics. Fanatics believe impossible
things.
Have some loyalty disgusting
> Fedfans
Most people who watch tennis probably don't expect their favourite
players to keep winning forever.
There are a few fanatics like the ones who thought Sampras could come
back at 37 and win Wimbledon after 5 years
away from the tour. And one other down under who believed that the
exo series between Sampras and Federer was
anything but a way to hype the sport and generate some cash.
There are fans and there are fanatics. Fanatics believe impossible
things.
Pelle Svanslös
May 24, 2012, 11:12:03 AM5/24/12
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On 23.5.2012 10:00, Gracchus wrote:
> On May 23, 12:40 am, Pelle Svanslös<pe...@svans.los> wrote:
>
>> Rogi says he's better than ever himself.
>
> Maybe he believes it and maybe he doesn't.
He probably does. But it's Mirka who knows where the difference between
> On May 23, 12:40 am, Pelle Svanslös<pe...@svans.los> wrote:
>
>> Rogi says he's better than ever himself.
>
> Maybe he believes it and maybe he doesn't.
winning and losing really is.
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bob
May 24, 2012, 7:21:41 PM5/24/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 19:09:55 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
<cernu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On May 22, 9:01 pm, bob <stein...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> everybody sees this except some fedfans who have a motive to say it
>> ain't so.
>
>Wrong. It is common sense that a professional athlete at 30 is not
>what he was at 20 or 25.
sure. the question is if he's better or worse. michael jordan and kobe
<cernu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On May 22, 9:01 pm, bob <stein...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> everybody sees this except some fedfans who have a motive to say it
>> ain't so.
>
>Wrong. It is common sense that a professional athlete at 30 is not
>what he was at 20 or 25.
bryant for ex, were better, in a sport more demanding physically than
tennis.
> If you were to clinically measure the speed,
>reflexes, etc. of the same person each year, you would see the decline
>scientifically confirmed. In fact, I would be surprised if this hasn't
>been done plenty of times. There are things athletes can do to
>compensate for a while, and experience can count for a lot in doing
>this. But there is steady decline, nevertheless.
IMO overall game, unless the guy has completely fallen off physically,
which fed has not, doesn't go down much if at all. by 32 probably
much more than 30 for a guy like fed. IMO.
bob
bob
May 24, 2012, 7:23:13 PM5/24/12
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On Wed, 23 May 2012 07:51:17 -0700 (PDT), drew <dr...@technologist.com>
wrote:
what do you know about greek economy. and how is it relevant.
bob
wrote:
bob
bob
May 24, 2012, 7:24:05 PM5/24/12
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drew
May 25, 2012, 2:04:39 AM5/25/12
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On May 24, 7:23 pm, bob <stein...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2012 07:51:17 -0700 (PDT), drew <d...@technologist.com>
Let's put it this way...it's about as relevant as experience to a 30
plus aged
tennis player who probably has more arthritis and degeneration in his
back at 30 than I have
in my 50s.
You may have a motive for trying to convince us otherwise but the
evidence is clear to see.
It doesn't matter how many Flinstones vitamines you take. It doesn't
matter if you have a
personal masseur attending your every ache and pain. It doesn't
matter if you dance like
a butterfly on the tennis court. Tennis wears the body down. It is
very tough on the knees
and hips and shoulders and elbows. Add this to the unavoidable
slowing down that occurs
after about 25 or 26 and you get the characteristic result.....less
winning days at the track.
Tennis pros might as well have a 'best before age 30' stamped on their
knees. You
just look at the stats and you can believe reality or you can invent
your own.
> On Wed, 23 May 2012 07:51:17 -0700 (PDT), drew <d...@technologist.com>
plus aged
tennis player who probably has more arthritis and degeneration in his
back at 30 than I have
in my 50s.
You may have a motive for trying to convince us otherwise but the
evidence is clear to see.
It doesn't matter how many Flinstones vitamines you take. It doesn't
matter if you have a
personal masseur attending your every ache and pain. It doesn't
matter if you dance like
a butterfly on the tennis court. Tennis wears the body down. It is
very tough on the knees
and hips and shoulders and elbows. Add this to the unavoidable
slowing down that occurs
after about 25 or 26 and you get the characteristic result.....less
winning days at the track.
Tennis pros might as well have a 'best before age 30' stamped on their
knees. You
just look at the stats and you can believe reality or you can invent
your own.
Patrick Kehoe
May 25, 2012, 2:31:34 AM5/25/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
EXACTLY!
Some super great players can mitigate against the entropic nature of
sport... but, even in high end performance results, it tends to happen
less than in their prime - mid-20s... AND as Drew rightly points out,
the body is made to suffer or their relations are tested to the
breaking points, something has to absorb the stresses and strains and
impacts of total dedication and all out performance... and the longer
one does it the greater the tests physical, emotional and
psychological...
P
Gracchus
May 25, 2012, 3:11:28 AM5/25/12
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On May 25, 1:04 am, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
> Tennis pros might as well have a 'best before age 30' stamped on their
> knees. You
> just look at the stats and you can believe reality or you can invent
> your own.
bob has clearly gone for option 2. I'm not sure he even has a
> Tennis pros might as well have a 'best before age 30' stamped on their
> knees. You
> just look at the stats and you can believe reality or you can invent
> your own.
conscious choice any longer.
Carey
May 25, 2012, 3:30:09 AM5/25/12
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around the court in their forties and fifties. Tennis is hell on the
body,
esp hips and knees.
bob
May 26, 2012, 8:32:32 AM5/26/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 23:04:39 -0700 (PDT), drew <dr...@technologist.com>
wrote:
>On May 24, 7:23 pm, bob <stein...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 May 2012 07:51:17 -0700 (PDT), drew <d...@technologist.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On May 22, 10:01 pm, bob <stein...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> everybody sees this except some fedfans who have a motive to say it
>> >> ain't so.
>>
>> >Tennis pros don't peak in their 30s. They peak in their 20s. Some
>> >journeymen
>> >manage their best results in their early 30s but the very best show
>> >their best stuff
>> >before the age of 25.
>>
>> >Doesn't mean it's impossible to win a major at age 30.....but it
>> >happens less than 10% of the
>> >time.
>> >But don't let reality interfere with your agent provocateur M.O.
>>
>> >By the way...did you know that the Greek economy is NOT in recession?
>> >Things there have never been better.
>>
>> what do you know about greek economy. and how is it relevant.
>>
>> bob
>
>Let's put it this way...it's about as relevant as experience to a 30
>plus aged
>tennis player who probably has more arthritis and degeneration in his
>back at 30 than I have
>in my 50s.
federer? a guy who has the best of the best physio care and plays a
very fluid game, doesn't carry much weight on his frame? i'd wager
that a factory worker putting axles on cars 10hrs/day for 30yrs has
MUCH worse arthritis in his back.
>You may have a motive for trying to convince us otherwise but the
>evidence is clear to see.
>It doesn't matter how many Flinstones vitamines you take. It doesn't
>matter if you have a
>personal masseur attending your every ache and pain. It doesn't
>matter if you dance like
>a butterfly on the tennis court.
it most certainly does matter. this is nonsensical to say it doesn't.
> Tennis wears the body down. It is
>very tough on the knees
>and hips and shoulders and elbows. Add this to the unavoidable
>slowing down that occurs
>after about 25 or 26 and you get the characteristic result.....less
>winning days at the track.
>Tennis pros might as well have a 'best before age 30' stamped on their
>knees. You
>just look at the stats and you can believe reality or you can invent
>your own.
how bout if everybody gets a "30" stamp but fed gets a "32"? would
that be unreasonable?
bob
wrote:
>On May 24, 7:23 pm, bob <stein...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 May 2012 07:51:17 -0700 (PDT), drew <d...@technologist.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On May 22, 10:01 pm, bob <stein...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> everybody sees this except some fedfans who have a motive to say it
>> >> ain't so.
>>
>> >Tennis pros don't peak in their 30s. They peak in their 20s. Some
>> >journeymen
>> >manage their best results in their early 30s but the very best show
>> >their best stuff
>> >before the age of 25.
>>
>> >Doesn't mean it's impossible to win a major at age 30.....but it
>> >happens less than 10% of the
>> >time.
>> >But don't let reality interfere with your agent provocateur M.O.
>>
>> >By the way...did you know that the Greek economy is NOT in recession?
>> >Things there have never been better.
>>
>> what do you know about greek economy. and how is it relevant.
>>
>> bob
>
>Let's put it this way...it's about as relevant as experience to a 30
>plus aged
>tennis player who probably has more arthritis and degeneration in his
>back at 30 than I have
>in my 50s.
very fluid game, doesn't carry much weight on his frame? i'd wager
that a factory worker putting axles on cars 10hrs/day for 30yrs has
MUCH worse arthritis in his back.
>You may have a motive for trying to convince us otherwise but the
>evidence is clear to see.
>It doesn't matter how many Flinstones vitamines you take. It doesn't
>matter if you have a
>personal masseur attending your every ache and pain. It doesn't
>matter if you dance like
>a butterfly on the tennis court.
> Tennis wears the body down. It is
>very tough on the knees
>and hips and shoulders and elbows. Add this to the unavoidable
>slowing down that occurs
>after about 25 or 26 and you get the characteristic result.....less
>winning days at the track.
>Tennis pros might as well have a 'best before age 30' stamped on their
>knees. You
>just look at the stats and you can believe reality or you can invent
>your own.
that be unreasonable?
bob
bob
May 26, 2012, 8:33:10 AM5/26/12
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bob
bob
May 26, 2012, 8:33:57 AM5/26/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 00:30:09 -0700 (PDT), Carey <carey...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
same applies to NBA players. yet some of the absolutely most athletic
players and the 2 best peaked say 29-32.
bob
wrote:
players and the 2 best peaked say 29-32.
bob
Gracchus
May 26, 2012, 8:40:55 AM5/26/12
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On May 26, 7:33 am, bob <stein...@comcast.net> wrote:
> same applies to NBA players. yet some of the absolutely most athletic
> players and the 2 best peaked say 29-32.
Basketball isn't tennis, and we are dealing with the skill set
> same applies to NBA players. yet some of the absolutely most athletic
> players and the 2 best peaked say 29-32.
required by tennis players here. You might just as well talk about the
performance of distance runners in their 30s.
drew
May 26, 2012, 10:37:22 AM5/26/12
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On May 26, 8:32 am, bob <stein...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2012 23:04:39 -0700 (PDT), drew <d...@technologist.com>
In as much as you will suffer repetitive stress wear and tear njuries
that will be chronic by the age of 30 if you play
as much tennis as a tour player......no...it doesn't matter.
>
> how bout if everybody gets a "30" stamp but fed gets a "32"? would
> that be unreasonable?
What makes Federer any different from anybody else? The very best
players who
are fortunate enough to have no SERIOUS problems at age 30 to 35 can
still compete
but they seldom win majors. Federer hasn't won a major since 2010.
He was 28. Even
if he bags another major at 30 or 31, there's no reset button. He's
on the down side as
everybody else who ever played the game IS at age 30.
> On Thu, 24 May 2012 23:04:39 -0700 (PDT), drew <d...@technologist.com>
that will be chronic by the age of 30 if you play
as much tennis as a tour player......no...it doesn't matter.
>
> how bout if everybody gets a "30" stamp but fed gets a "32"? would
> that be unreasonable?
players who
are fortunate enough to have no SERIOUS problems at age 30 to 35 can
still compete
but they seldom win majors. Federer hasn't won a major since 2010.
He was 28. Even
if he bags another major at 30 or 31, there's no reset button. He's
on the down side as
everybody else who ever played the game IS at age 30.
bob
May 26, 2012, 6:15:24 PM5/26/12
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:37:22 -0700 (PDT), drew <dr...@technologist.com>
wrote:
what makes fed different:
-his frame is kind of small, and his game is fluid. IMO he's less
prone to put stress on his body than most.
-his motivation to play and love of the game/life is unquestionably
one of the highest, if not highest, if any top pro ever (goes to
motivation)
-he's suffered no major injury.
> The very best players who
>are fortunate enough to have no SERIOUS problems at age 30 to 35 can
>still compete but they seldom win majors. Federer hasn't won a major since 2010.
>He was 28. Even if he bags another major at 30 or 31, there's no reset button. He's
>on the down side as everybody else who ever played the game IS at age 30.
think what you want, after this yr, i think i'll agree. but not for
2012. this is his "sampras summer 2002" mode.
bob
wrote:
-his frame is kind of small, and his game is fluid. IMO he's less
prone to put stress on his body than most.
-his motivation to play and love of the game/life is unquestionably
one of the highest, if not highest, if any top pro ever (goes to
motivation)
-he's suffered no major injury.
> The very best players who
>are fortunate enough to have no SERIOUS problems at age 30 to 35 can
>still compete but they seldom win majors. Federer hasn't won a major since 2010.
>He was 28. Even if he bags another major at 30 or 31, there's no reset button. He's
>on the down side as everybody else who ever played the game IS at age 30.
2012. this is his "sampras summer 2002" mode.
bob
Javier Gonzalez
May 26, 2012, 6:46:32 PM5/26/12
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Usain Bolt argument to explain how the top dogs can fall from their best
level yet still beat the field.
bob
May 26, 2012, 7:21:26 PM5/26/12
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different situations. i just don't think it applies to the federer
situation.
bob
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