> Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
> Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
> Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
> tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
> Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
> titles and is 4th...
Frankly, I can't believe that you're pretending still to be interested in the sport of tennis since Nadal's de facto retirement. Isn't poker where you'll stalk him next and wouldn't you feel more comfortable in a less physical, odds-calculating type of setting?
> Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
> Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
> Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
> tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
> Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
> titles and is 4th...
OG is not a major, and 750 points is just enough. OG is a below
Masters tournament.
The reason Serena is not ranked higher is because she lost first round
at RG and R16 in Australia. If the GS tournaments and Masters would
account for more ranking points Azarenka would still be #1.
> > Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
> > Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
> > Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
> > tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
> > Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
> > titles and is 4th...
> Frankly, I can't believe that you're pretending still to be interested
> in the sport of tennis since Nadal's de facto retirement. Isn't poker
> where you'll stalk him next and wouldn't you feel more comfortable in a
> less physical, odds-calculating type of setting?
> LNC
TT, just print out dozens of shirtless Rafa photos and self-pleasure
yourself into extinction. Or watch the Rafa-Shakira video and pass out
from ecstacy, but leave the rest of RST alone.
Hark...!! Mommy is summoning you from your basement exile. Heed her
plaintive cries and get the hell out of here. Nadal ain't playing till
2013, if then.
> On Sep 17, 12:40 pm, reilloc <reil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 9/17/2012 1:59 PM, TT wrote:
> > > Does not equal.
> > > 2012
> > > Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
> > > Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
> > > Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
> > > tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
> > > Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
> > > titles and is 4th...
> > Frankly, I can't believe that you're pretending still to be interested
> > in the sport of tennis since Nadal's de facto retirement. Isn't poker
> > where you'll stalk him next and wouldn't you feel more comfortable in a
> > less physical, odds-calculating type of setting?
> > LNC
> TT, just print out dozens of shirtless Rafa photos and self-pleasure
> yourself into extinction. Or watch the Rafa-Shakira video and pass out
> from ecstacy, but leave the rest of RST alone.
> Hark...!! Mommy is summoning you from your basement exile. Heed her
> plaintive cries and get the hell out of here. Nadal ain't playing till
> 2013, if then.
I also notice you erased your profile history which clearly shows
1,000+ posts per month, every month for years. Now you miracuously
show only a few posts in 2012! When in fact your entire life is spent
here. Yet another alias, from another invented country, with another
invented persona.
> On 17 sep, 20:59, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
>> Does not equal.
>> 2012
>> Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
>> Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
>> Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
>> tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
>> Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
>> titles and is 4th...
> OG is not a major, and 750 points is just enough. OG is a below
> Masters tournament.
That tells us all we ned to know about your honesty of opinion...
> The reason Serena is not ranked higher is because she lost first round
> at RG and R16 in Australia. If the GS tournaments and Masters would
> account for more ranking points Azarenka would still be #1.
> On Sep 17, 5:00 pm, Ulysses <ulys...@mscomm.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 17, 12:40 pm, reilloc <reil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 9/17/2012 1:59 PM, TT wrote:
>>>> Does not equal.
>>>> 2012
>>>> Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
>>>> Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
>>>> Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
>>>> tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
>>>> Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
>>>> titles and is 4th...
>>> Frankly, I can't believe that you're pretending still to be interested
>>> in the sport of tennis since Nadal's de facto retirement. Isn't poker
>>> where you'll stalk him next and wouldn't you feel more comfortable in a
>>> less physical, odds-calculating type of setting?
>>> LNC
>> TT, just print out dozens of shirtless Rafa photos and self-pleasure
>> yourself into extinction. Or watch the Rafa-Shakira video and pass out
>> from ecstacy, but leave the rest of RST alone.
>> Hark...!! Mommy is summoning you from your basement exile. Heed her
>> plaintive cries and get the hell out of here. Nadal ain't playing till
>> 2013, if then.
> I also notice you erased your profile history which clearly shows
> 1,000+ posts per month, every month for years. Now you miracuously
> show only a few posts in 2012! When in fact your entire life is spent
> here. Yet another alias, from another invented country, with another
> invented persona.
> ZZZZZZZ.
Pot calling the kettle... get a life. And a shrink, you certainly spend a lot of time berating me... how small a person you are. Maybe you have a crush on me? I myself don't care person such as you one single bit. :)
And the reason behind my post count is simple, but you're too dumb to figure it out. lol
> > On 17 sep, 20:59, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
> >> Does not equal.
> >> 2012
> >> Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
> >> Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
> >> Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
> >> tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
> >> Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
> >> titles and is 4th...
> > OG is not a major, and 750 points is just enough. OG is a below
> > Masters tournament.
> That tells us all we ned to know about your honesty of opinion...
> > The reason Serena is not ranked higher is because she lost first round
> > at RG and R16 in Australia. If the GS tournaments and Masters would
> > account for more ranking points Azarenka would still be #1.
> Serena has done better at majors, no doubt.
Serena: R1, R16 and two wins
Azarenka: R16, semi, final and a win
What's worth more points you think? R1 and a win or a semi and a final?
> > On Sep 17, 5:00 pm, Ulysses <ulys...@mscomm.com> wrote:
> >> On Sep 17, 12:40 pm, reilloc <reil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 9/17/2012 1:59 PM, TT wrote:
> >>>> Does not equal.
> >>>> 2012
> >>>> Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
> >>>> Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
> >>>> Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
> >>>> tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
> >>>> Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
> >>>> titles and is 4th...
> >>> Frankly, I can't believe that you're pretending still to be interested
> >>> in the sport of tennis since Nadal's de facto retirement. Isn't poker
> >>> where you'll stalk him next and wouldn't you feel more comfortable in a
> >>> less physical, odds-calculating type of setting?
> >>> LNC
> >> TT, just print out dozens of shirtless Rafa photos and self-pleasure
> >> yourself into extinction. Or watch the Rafa-Shakira video and pass out
> >> from ecstacy, but leave the rest of RST alone.
> >> Hark...!! Mommy is summoning you from your basement exile. Heed her
> >> plaintive cries and get the hell out of here. Nadal ain't playing till
> >> 2013, if then.
> > I also notice you erased your profile history which clearly shows
> > 1,000+ posts per month, every month for years. Now you miracuously
> > show only a few posts in 2012! When in fact your entire life is spent
> > here. Yet another alias, from another invented country, with another
> > invented persona.
> > ZZZZZZZ.
> Pot calling the kettle... get a life. And a shrink, you certainly spend
> a lot of time berating me... how small a person you are. Maybe you have
> a crush on me? I myself don't care person such as you one single bit. :)
> And the reason behind my post count is simple, but you're too dumb to
> figure it out. lol
Uly poses a good question though, why did you erase most of your
posting history? I don't get that. Why would a person spend the time
doing that? What are you trying to hide?
Hingis won 4 slams (two different partners) and was ranked #2 in doubles.
Zvereva was in a runner-up team 4 times (with Davenport) and was ranked #1 in doubles.
Over the years they have toned down a lot the relative points from minor events compared to slams. During 70:ies/early 80:ies ranking points were practically linear compared to prize money. (which caused odditions like Lipton giving more ranking points than AO - also their point giveout structure was a bit odd too which clearly gave finalists relatively a lot more points))
As it is now 100% (slam) - 50% (master series) - 25% (500 event)...then during 90:ies it was more like 100-60-40+...fluctuating a bit as there were quality points in the mix...which caused again some funny numbers like Pioline getting slam win level points from his runner-up at USO 903....
But it has backfired a bit....as now top players play less minor (250/500) events (as it is not worth it and there is not that much of a ranking prize and instead tightened annual schedule+mandatory events cause a risk for exhaustion.)...
But 2012....
Since Serena started her off/on playing (years ago) with hiatuses/injuries/etc her ranking just has not worked...must accept that...
Murray case is more clear...after all he has not had the overall tour succee he has had earlier years - has been more inconsistent 2012...and of course both Djokovic and Fed also have great numbers to show. USO-OG is a great combo but both Djoko and Fed have better case for being #1....after all they have mastered the "brutal knock-out tennis" ;) at Masters series 2012 a lot better than Murray....
> > >>>> Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
> > >>>> Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
> > >>>> Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
> > >>>> tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
> > >>>> Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
> > >>>> titles and is 4th...
> > >>> Frankly, I can't believe that you're pretending still to be interested
> > >>> in the sport of tennis since Nadal's de facto retirement. Isn't poker
> > >>> where you'll stalk him next and wouldn't you feel more comfortable in a
> > >>> less physical, odds-calculating type of setting?
> > >>> LNC
> > >> TT, just print out dozens of shirtless Rafa photos and self-pleasure
> > >> yourself into extinction. Or watch the Rafa-Shakira video and pass out
> > >> from ecstacy, but leave the rest of RST alone.
> > >> Hark...!! Mommy is summoning you from your basement exile. Heed her
> > >> plaintive cries and get the hell out of here. Nadal ain't playing till
> > >> 2013, if then.
> > > I also notice you erased your profile history which clearly shows
> > > 1,000+ posts per month, every month for years. Now you miracuously
> > > show only a few posts in 2012! When in fact your entire life is spent
> > > here. Yet another alias, from another invented country, with another
> > > invented persona.
> > > ZZZZZZZ.
> > Pot calling the kettle... get a life. And a shrink, you certainly spend
> > a lot of time berating me... how small a person you are. Maybe you have
> > a crush on me? I myself don't care person such as you one single bit. :)
> > And the reason behind my post count is simple, but you're too dumb to
> > figure it out. lol
> Uly poses a good question though, why did you erase most of your
> posting history? I don't get that. Why would a person spend the time
> doing that? What are you trying to hide?
>>> On Sep 17, 5:00 pm, Ulysses <ulys...@mscomm.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 17, 12:40 pm, reilloc <reil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/17/2012 1:59 PM, TT wrote:
>>>>>> Does not equal.
>>>>>> 2012
>>>>>> Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
>>>>>> Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
>>>>>> Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
>>>>>> tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
>>>>>> Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
>>>>>> titles and is 4th...
>>>>> Frankly, I can't believe that you're pretending still to be interested
>>>>> in the sport of tennis since Nadal's de facto retirement. Isn't poker
>>>>> where you'll stalk him next and wouldn't you feel more comfortable in a
>>>>> less physical, odds-calculating type of setting?
>>>>> LNC
>>>> TT, just print out dozens of shirtless Rafa photos and self-pleasure
>>>> yourself into extinction. Or watch the Rafa-Shakira video and pass out
>>>> from ecstacy, but leave the rest of RST alone.
>>>> Hark...!! Mommy is summoning you from your basement exile. Heed her
>>>> plaintive cries and get the hell out of here. Nadal ain't playing till
>>>> 2013, if then.
>>> I also notice you erased your profile history which clearly shows
>>> 1,000+ posts per month, every month for years. Now you miracuously
>>> show only a few posts in 2012! When in fact your entire life is spent
>>> here. Yet another alias, from another invented country, with another
>>> invented persona.
>>> ZZZZZZZ.
>> Pot calling the kettle... get a life. And a shrink, you certainly spend
>> a lot of time berating me... how small a person you are. Maybe you have
>> a crush on me? I myself don't care person such as you one single bit. :)
>> And the reason behind my post count is simple, but you're too dumb to
>> figure it out. lol
> Uly poses a good question though, why did you erase most of your
> posting history? I don't get that. Why would a person spend the time
> doing that? What are you trying to hide?
I erased nothing, they're all still there. I changed email address because I had to come up with something when changing a news server.
>>> On 17 sep, 20:59, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
>>>> Does not equal.
>>>> 2012
>>>> Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
>>>> Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
>>>> Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
>>>> tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
>>>> Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
>>>> titles and is 4th...
>>> OG is not a major, and 750 points is just enough. OG is a below
>>> Masters tournament.
>> That tells us all we ned to know about your honesty of opinion...
>>> The reason Serena is not ranked higher is because she lost first round
>>> at RG and R16 in Australia. If the GS tournaments and Masters would
>>> account for more ranking points Azarenka would still be #1.
>> Serena has done better at majors, no doubt.
> Serena: R1, R16 and two wins
> Azarenka: R16, semi, final and a win
> What's worth more points you think? R1 and a win or a semi and a final?
For women a slam win is worth 2000 points and final+semi are worth 1400+900 points (for men it would be 1200+720)
However the point of this thread is suggesting that ranking system is wrong... so Azarenka having more points from slams supports that view.
Slam+OG >>> final+semi
...aka 2 > 0.75
In fact, I think a slam W is better than a f and sf. Especially when losing that final to Serena. Their h2h btw is 10-1 to Serena.
There is no doubt that just about all tennis pundits think Serena's year is better than Azarenka's. 2 slams+OG vs 1 slam. 6 titles vs 4.
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:19:59 AM UTC+2, MBDunc wrote:
> As it is now 100% (slam) - 50% (master series) - 25% (500 event)...then during 90:ies it was more like 100-60-40+...fluctuating a bit as there were quality points in the mix...which caused again some funny numbers like Pioline getting slam win level points from his runner-up at USO 903....
> But it has backfired a bit....as now top players play less minor (250/500) events (as it is not worth it and there is not that much of a ranking prize and instead tightened annual schedule+mandatory events cause a risk for exhaustion.)...
ATP250 tournaments are essentially worthless for the top players.
> Murray case is more clear...after all he has not had the overall tour succee he has had earlier years - has been more inconsistent 2012...and of course both Djokovic and Fed also have great numbers to show. USO-OG is a great combo but both Djoko and Fed have better case for being #1....after all they have mastered the "brutal knock-out tennis" ;) at Masters series 2012 a lot better than Murray....
Murray is a bit thin on big tournament wins. 2 of his 6 titles are ATP250 and
he has many early exits at Masters tournaments.
Federer on the other hand has Wimbledon, YEC, 4 masters and 2 ATP500.
In article <k37rv9$5h...@dont-email.me>, as...@dprk.kp (TT) wrote:
> Does not equal.
> 2012
> Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
> Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
> Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters > tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
> Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6 > titles and is 4th...
Serena doesn't play enough; those are the rules. Also, not a small thing, the rankings cover 52 weeks. Serena barely plays after the US Open; Azarenka plays through the European and Asian swing and the YECs. And Azarenka won her first 20+ matches at the beginning of the year. And she has no bad losses comparable to SW in the 1R at the FO.
Serena only has to play a few extra tournaments, but she doesn't.
On Monday, September 17, 2012 2:59:53 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
> Does not equal.
> 2012
> Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
> Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
> Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
> tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
> Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
> titles and is 4th...
I think when people ask "who had the best year?" they more or less mean "who won the most?" It's easy enough to figure this out by only counting ranking points for tournament wins. Serena would far and away be the #1 player with this approach.
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 03:12:46 +0300, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
>18.9.2012 2:58, Coach kirjoitti:
>> On 17 sep, 20:59, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
>>> Does not equal.
>>> 2012
>>> Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
>>> Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
>>> Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
>>> tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
>>> Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
>>> titles and is 4th...
>> OG is not a major, and 750 points is just enough. OG is a below
>> Masters tournament.
>That tells us all we ned to know about your honesty of opinion...
>> The reason Serena is not ranked higher is because she lost first round
>> at RG and R16 in Australia. If the GS tournaments and Masters would
>> account for more ranking points Azarenka would still be #1.
>Serena has done better at majors, no doubt.
well Wim, USO, OG vs AO. just tells us that mid yr rankings are for
seeding purposes, nothing else.
> On Monday, September 17, 2012 2:59:53 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
> > Does not equal.
> > 2012
> > Murray: best achievement in majors: OG + USO title.... #3
> > Serena: best achievement in majors: Wimbledon + OG + USO... #4
> > Maybe atp/wta should count less ranking points from below masters
> > tournaments? And of course give full 2000 for Olympics.
> > Azarenka has won 4 titles this year, and is ranked 1. Serena has 6
> > titles and is 4th...
> I think when people ask "who had the best year?" they more or less mean "who won the most?" It's easy enough to figure this out by only counting ranking points for tournament wins. Serena would far and away be the #1 player with this approach.
So you really think a final in a major is worth no points? Winning a
tier III tournament is worth more points than that?
