On Monday, October 8, 2012 12:40:30 AM UTC+11, arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> On Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:18:30 PM UTC+6, phamqu...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> > Some more work needed on stamina, obviously.
> David bagels Goliath?
Raonic ran out of steam in the 3rd set. Three three-set matches in a row is too much for him apparently. Will have to get a trainer if he wants to progress at slams.
I know not many will have watched Kei's matches this week....but I would really encourage them to have a look at his Berdy and Raonic matches at least. Everything that has been lamented as missing from the next generation is right there. I have always been a big fan of this kids talent....but competetively he has a tendancy towards the timid - and in that respect I really hope this tournament was a departure for him as he was rock solid from start to finish. Anyway, just brilliant tennis from the guy this week....and some touching scenes of him enjoying the spoils!
> I know not many will have watched Kei's matches this week....but I would
> really encourage them to have a look at his Berdy and Raonic matches at
> least. Everything that has been lamented as missing from the next
> generation is right there. I have always been a big fan of this kids
> talent....but competetively he has a tendancy towards the timid - and in
> that respect I really hope this tournament was a departure for him as he
> was rock solid from start to finish. Anyway, just brilliant tennis from
> the guy this week....and some touching scenes of him enjoying the spoils!
Also worth noting that Raonic did not run out of steam in the 3rd set. Nishikori returned Raonic's serve very well and was especially good at manhandling 2nd serve returns from above shoulder level.
The post match ceremonial intro speech is still going on, I am told! ;)
> On 10/7/2012 10:11 AM, felangey wrote:
>>> Some more work needed on stamina, obviously.
>> I know not many will have watched Kei's matches this week....but I would
>> really encourage them to have a look at his Berdy and Raonic matches at
>> least. Everything that has been lamented as missing from the next
>> generation is right there. I have always been a big fan of this kids
>> talent....but competetively he has a tendancy towards the timid - and in
>> that respect I really hope this tournament was a departure for him as he
>> was rock solid from start to finish. Anyway, just brilliant tennis from
>> the guy this week....and some touching scenes of him enjoying the spoils!
> Also worth noting that Raonic did not run out of steam in the 3rd set.
> Nishikori returned Raonic's serve very well and was especially good at
> manhandling 2nd serve returns from above shoulder level.
Raonic's style of serving huge bombs and first strike tennis isn't exactly a generally taxing style anyway.
> On Oct 7, 12:19 pm, TennisGuy <Jeffery21...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 10:29 am, "Vari L. Cinicke" <variesn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Also worth noting that Raonic did not run out of steam in the 3rd set.
> > OK I didn't see any of the match.
> > Obviously someone here is right and someone is wrong.
> > Which one is it?
> > He either did run out of steam or he didn't.
> > pham says he did.
> > vari says he didn't.
> Vari is correct imo. Milos did not run out of steam, he was outplayed
> in the third.
Milos sadly may have some of that Berdych factor in his psyche. He has
had a few tournaments where he knocks off a big gun only to lose to
his next opponent. I also wonder what's with his new hair and
headband? If he's even remotely trying to look like Federer, he needs
to ditch this look ASAP. Any comparison to Fed in the sartorial
elegance category means Milos comes in second place... by 8,546,893
miles.
On Monday, October 8, 2012 3:19:01 AM UTC+11, TennisGuy wrote:
> On Oct 7, 10:29 am, "Vari L. Cinicke" <variesn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Also worth noting that Raonic did not run out of steam in the 3rd set.
> OK I didn't see any of the match.
> Obviously someone here is right and someone is wrong.
> Which one is it?
> He either did run out of steam or he didn't.
> pham says he did.
> vari says he didn't.
The winner/UEs would tell the story, unfortunately the stats are sketchy and don't show them. Raonic's ace/DF stats are 5/1 1st set, 8/1 2nd set and 1/1 3rd set, so I remain convinced he ran out or steam. (Not so obvious to the eye, because he's not a great mover anyway, but revealed by the reduced effectiveness of his shots). I'm not trying to remove anything from Nishi's performance, but as I said earlier he remained steady from beginning to end and did not suddenly become more brilliant in the 3rd.
On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:14:03 AM UTC+11, Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> On 10/7/2012 1:41 PM, phamq...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> > he remained steady from beginning to end and did not suddenly become more brilliant in the 3rd
> Nishikori was not merely steady in the 3rd set, he was brilliant. We
> must just agree to disagree.
This is how Raonic saw it:
"In the third set I started to feel a bit heavy and was not moving well," said Raonic. "He kept going for his shots even more. I was a bit late on everything.
"The third set was not so different than the other two, but he was getting behind the ball and hitting deep," said Raonic. "He was preventing me from going forward and putting pressure on him."
Yesterday, Raonic was reminding me of another player and I couldn't
readily think of the other guy's name.
Then I remembered him -- the hair, the headband, and the height --
Milan Srejber!I
Of course, Raonic is much the better player.
Great tournament from both finalists, even though Raonic went out with
the bagel. Nishikori showed a lot of tactical variety, bold
initiative, excellent ROS.
On Oct 7, 2:51 pm, number_six <cyberi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 1:18 am, phamquangt.wrote:
> > Some more work needed on stamina, obviously.
> Yesterday, Raonic was reminding me of another player and I couldn't
> readily think of the other guy's name.
> Then I remembered him -- the hair, the headband, and the height --
> Milan Srejber!I
I saw that guy in Montreal many years ago. He was really one of the
lowest
skill guys I've seen play pro tennis....geez, I'd almost forgotten
that guy but some
Czech guys I know even said that Milan's game was really shitty so the
memory
stuck with me.
Nice win for Nishikori. I think both guys have a future. I'd like to
see Milos get more
consistent off the ground and be able to put more consistent pressure
on the server. Otherwise
I can't see him making an impact at the top of the game.
> On Oct 7, 2:51 pm, number_six <cyberi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 1:18 am, phamquangt.wrote:
> > > Some more work needed on stamina, obviously.
> > Yesterday, Raonic was reminding me of another player and I couldn't
> > readily think of the other guy's name.
> > Then I remembered him -- the hair, the headband, and the height --
> > Milan Srejber!I
> I saw that guy in Montreal many years ago. He was really one of the
> lowest
> skill guys I've seen play pro tennis....geez, I'd almost forgotten
> that guy but some
> Czech guys I know even said that Milan's game was really shitty so the
> memory
> stuck with me.
> Nice win for Nishikori. I think both guys have a future. I'd like to
> see Milos get more
> consistent off the ground and be able to put more consistent pressure
> on the server. Otherwise
> I can't see him making an impact at the top of the game.
I read Milos passed the million dollar mark for the year with his
loss.
So all was not in vain. :)
> > > Some more work needed on stamina, obviously.
> > Yesterday, Raonic was reminding me of another player and I couldn't
> > readily think of the other guy's name.
> > Then I remembered him -- the hair, the headband, and the height --
> > Milan Srejber!I
> I saw that guy in Montreal many years ago. He was really one of the
> lowest
> skill guys I've seen play pro tennis....geez, I'd almost forgotten
> that guy but some
> Czech guys I know even said that Milan's game was really shitty so the
> memory
> stuck with me.
> Nice win for Nishikori. I think both guys have a future. I'd like to
> see Milos get more
> consistent off the ground and be able to put more consistent pressure
> on the server. Otherwise
> I can't see him making an impact at the top of the game.
Yes, Srejber was an ungainly clodhopper.
Milos also has the babyface -- and of course the hair /headband /
height already mentioned -- but it ends there. Raonic is a far better
athlete than Srejber ever was.
> On Oct 7, 9:32 am, Court_1 <Olympia0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 12:19 pm, TennisGuy <Jeffery21...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 7, 10:29 am, "Vari L. Cinicke" <variesn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Also worth noting that Raonic did not run out of steam in the 3rd set.
> > > OK I didn't see any of the match.
> > > Obviously someone here is right and someone is wrong.
> > > Which one is it?
> > > He either did run out of steam or he didn't.
> > > pham says he did.
> > > vari says he didn't.
> > Vari is correct imo. Milos did not run out of steam, he was outplayed
> > in the third.
> Milos sadly may have some of that Berdych factor in his psyche. He has
> had a few tournaments where he knocks off a big gun only to lose to
> his next opponent.
Oh please say it ain't so, another Berdych? It could be possible but
somehow I think Raonic is more driven than Berdych. Time will tell I
guess. He definitely needs to win big matches against the top players
more consistently rather than have a big win or two and then wither.
I am rooting for him that is for sure. Better him in the top ten than
some of these current flakes.
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:14:03 AM UTC+11, Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> > On 10/7/2012 1:41 PM, phamq...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> > > he remained steady from beginning to end and did not suddenly become more brilliant in the 3rd
> > Nishikori was not merely steady in the 3rd set, he was brilliant. We
> > must just agree to disagree.
> This is how Raonic saw it:
> "In the third set I started to feel a bit heavy and was not moving well," said Raonic. "He kept going for his shots even more. I was a bit late on everything.
> "The third set was not so different than the other two, but he was getting behind the ball and hitting deep," said Raonic. "He was preventing me from going forward and putting pressure on him."
Does it really matter whether he faded out in the third because he
felt tired or not? The end result was the same--i.e. he lost the
match. Whatever the reason, he was outplayed by Nishikori in the third
set. He is 21 years old, surely fatigue should not be keeping him from
winning important matches consistently.
Whatever the reasons are, he needs to figure it out and step it up. I
don't want him to become another one of those players who linger
around in the top twenty like a walking corpse. It is time we had
another winner with a winning mentality on our hands isn't it? I am
sick of all of these guys in the top twenty who are not Roger, Nadal,
Djokovic or Murray.
Raonic and Nishikori both look like talented young up and comers.
Let's hope one or both can make the transition into the big leagues.
On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:20:58 AM UTC+11, Court_1 wrote:
> On Oct 7, 2:33 pm, phamquangt...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> > On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:14:03 AM UTC+11, Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> > > On 10/7/2012 1:41 PM, phamq...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> > > > he remained steady from beginning to end and did not suddenly become more brilliant in the 3rd
> > > Nishikori was not merely steady in the 3rd set, he was brilliant. We
> > > must just agree to disagree.
> > This is how Raonic saw it:
> > "In the third set I started to feel a bit heavy and was not moving well," said Raonic. "He kept going for his shots even more. I was a bit late on everything.
> > "The third set was not so different than the other two, but he was getting behind the ball and hitting deep," said Raonic. "He was preventing me from going forward and putting pressure on him."
On Oct 8, 5:09 pm, phamquangt...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:20:58 AM UTC+11, Court_1 wrote:
> > Does it really matter whether he faded out in the third because he
> > felt tired or not?
> Does anything we say in rst matter? :)
Good point!
> > The end result was the same--i.e. he lost the
> > match. Whatever the reason, he was outplayed by Nishikori in the third
> > set.
> The good thing is that he was outplayed, he didn't simply tomic away his match. So there's hope.
True. Tomic just seems like he is above it all and doesn't think he
has to beat the lesser players first to get to the better players. I
don't get that vibe from Raonic at all.
> > He is 21 years old, surely fatigue should not be keeping him from
> > winning important matches consistently.
> > Whatever the reasons are, he needs to figure it out and step it up.
> Isn't it the sacred duty of rst-ers to figure it out for him? :)))
I sure hope not. :) Let's hope he can figure it all out just fine on
his own! :)
> > I am
> > sick of all of these guys in the top twenty who are not Roger, Nadal,
> > Djokovic or Murray.
> Those bastards! How dare they!
I just mean we need to see a young talent already who is motivated to
win big consistently. I mean Tipsarevic and Juan Monaco in the top
ten? You have to be kidding me. This is a strong era with those duds
in the top ten?
