Sampras speaks on Roddick / Federer
Frank Fontaine
Can, say, Federer and Roddick become this generation’s Sampras and
Agassi?
Answer:
I just don’t think it’s about two guys any more. It’s about eight
guys. I mean, you’ve got Ferrero, Nalbandian . . . there’s just too
many good players. It’s harder to be dominant. It was also pretty hard
to be dominant when I was playing.
I disagree. Roddick and Federer, in my opinion, are at a different
level then the rest of the guys.
David Henry
"Frank Fontaine" <tenn...@mail.com> wrote in message
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Federer, yes. Roddick? No. Coria and Moya have had better years than Roddick
and Moya missed the Oz Open.
Dave
StephenJ
> level then the rest of the guys.
JCF is up there too.
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Frank Fontaine
average hard court/fast surface player. Good bye to the clay season,
let the real players emerge.
bob
"StephenJ" <SJ...@sestSJJj.ttcom> wrote in message
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> > I disagree. Roddick and Federer, in my opinion, are at a different
> > level then the rest of the guys.
>
> JCF is up there too.
not in the last 8 months he's not.
bob
Hops
> Who really cares about the dirt ballers anyway. Ferrero at best is an
> average hard court/fast surface player.
US Open finalist, beating Hewitt and Agassi along the way, is average? Ok.
Good bye to the clay season,
> let the real players emerge.
In the Whisper 'clay is not real tennis' camp. Keep dreaming.
David Henry
"Hops" <kev8128n...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Frank Fontaine" <tenn...@mail.com> wrote in message
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> > Who really cares about the dirt ballers anyway. Ferrero at best is an
> > average hard court/fast surface player.
>
> US Open finalist, beating Hewitt and Agassi along the way, is average?
Ok.
An injured Hewitt, I might add (hip flexor). Normally, a fast hard court
favors Lleyton. I didn't mind, though, because a) it was Ferrero and b) it
set up an awesome match with Agassi!
Dave
John
"bob" <rst...@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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If that is the case then Federer is in a league of his own, he has got a
slam, master cup, 2 Super 9 victories and
2 tier 2 victories compare to Roddick's victory of 1 super 9 victory and 3
minor tournament victories.
>
> bob
>
>
Ukrfan
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> Who really cares about the dirt ballers anyway. Ferrero at best is an
> average hard court/fast surface player.
Sure, just finals of last USO... pretty average...
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>
Whisper
Yep, & Roddick will take over any minute now. Pencil his name into Wim/USO
trophies right now....
Whisper
"StephenJ" <SJ...@sestSJJj.ttcom> wrote in message
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> > level then the rest of the guys.
>
> JCF is up there too.
>
>
He's probably a notch below - Roddick highlighted the difference in USO
final, & he still hasn't recovered......
bob
"Ukrfan" <ukrf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Frank Fontaine" <tenn...@mail.com> ???????/???????? ? ????????
?????????:
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> > Who really cares about the dirt ballers anyway. Ferrero at best is an
> > average hard court/fast surface player.
>
> Sure, just finals of last USO... pretty average...
1 good HC result in career, and got destroyed in finals against that "no
talent" (as u call him) roddick. :-)
bob
bob
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?
jcf hasn't even been competitive in the last 7-8 months..who's talking about
federer?
bob
Vinb
> Yep, & Roddick will take over any minute now. Pencil his name into
Wim/USO
> trophies right now....
if federer wins wimbledon, will you stop saying this crap or will roddick
still be far superior
David Henry
Fererro likes Rebound Ace to US Hardcourts. But he's not bad indoors,
either.
Let's not forget he defeated Federer 64 46 64 in the Madrid semis. That's a
pretty fast court.
Dave
samn
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> Fererro likes Rebound Ace to US Hardcourts. But he's not bad indoors,
> either.
>
> Let's not forget he defeated Federer 64 46 64 in the Madrid semis.
> That's a pretty fast court.
Didn't Ferrero also reach the Masters Cup final indoors? Shanghai 2002,
iirc.
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David Henry
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> "David Henry" <telem...@msn.com> wrote in
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>
> > Fererro likes Rebound Ace to US Hardcourts. But he's not bad indoors,
> > either.
> >
> > Let's not forget he defeated Federer 64 46 64 in the Madrid semis.
> > That's a pretty fast court.
>
> Didn't Ferrero also reach the Masters Cup final indoors? Shanghai 2002,
> iirc.
Yep, after a great win over Moya in the semis.
But that was a slow hard court, not lightning quick like Flushing Meadows.
Still counts in my book, though.
Dave : >
Whisper
Clay 'can' be real tennis on rare occasions - maybe 5% of the time...?
Karen Wall
He predicted Roddick would win Australian (looking at Hops' chart).
Fed's slice on grass is so tough. Think that gives him the edge, but
he'll probably have to get through Henman, who he also has losing
record against.
StephenJ
> Fed's slice on grass is so tough. Think that gives him the edge, but
> he'll probably have to get through Henman, who he also has losing
> record against.
Fed will beat Henman easily (3 sets). Mark my words.
Jesper Lauridsen
>
> He predicted Roddick would win Australian (looking at Hops' chart).
>
> Fed's slice on grass is so tough. Think that gives him the edge, but
> he'll probably have to get through Henman, who he also has losing
> record against.
Who is the "him" here? I look like Federer, but he's not in the same
half of the draw as Henman, so "get through" doesn't make sense. Both
Fed and Roddick have a losing record against Henman, so that isn't a
clue either.
bob
bob
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Hops
> karen, you owe me $100.
>
jeez, he hasn't retired yet. Have some dignity, man! : )
Dj Acp
> Can, say, Federer and Roddick become this generation?s Sampras and
> Agassi?
>
> Answer:
> I just don?t think it?s about two guys any more. It?s about eight
> guys. I mean, you?ve got Ferrero, Nalbandian . . .
Nalbandian injuries are killing him. Despite of the time out of the
courts when he returns makes finals or semis. The level he was playing
along AO was amazing, he returned and maked Rome F and FO Semis.
He might be no. 2 or 1 if he were able to play the whole tour.
Whisper
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> > > Yep, & Roddick will take over any minute now. Pencil his name into
> > Wim/USO
> > > trophies right now....
> >
> > if federer wins wimbledon, will you stop saying this crap or will
roddick
> > still be far superior
>
> He predicted Roddick would win Australian (looking at Hops' chart).
He shoulda at least made the final - that was a fluke loss to Safin -
Roddick would win it 4/5 if they played over....
Whisper
"StephenJ" <SJ...@sestSJJj.ttcom> wrote in message
>
> > Fed's slice on grass is so tough. Think that gives him the edge, but
> > he'll probably have to get through Henman, who he also has losing
> > record against.
>
> Fed will beat Henman easily (3 sets). Mark my words.
>
>
Yes, if he gets past Karlovic........ : )
David Henry
"Dj Acp" <djac...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I like Nalbandian a lot, but he even would make a poor No. 2 player. He just
doesn't know how to win tournaments.
Dave
scruncher
You're shameless.
Whisper
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> Whisper wrote:
> >
> > He shoulda at least made the final - that was a fluke loss to Safin -
> > Roddick would win it 4/5 if they played over....
> >
> >
>
> You're shameless.
Safin just lost to nobody in 1st rd Wimbledon - that's his normal level, AO
was clearly a colossal fluke.....
Ukrfan
Every slam Roddick loses we hear he "shoulda" win....
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Regards, Yury
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Whisper
> Bla-bla-bla....
> Every slam Roddick loses we hear he "shoulda" win....
>
He shoulda made final - & maybe give Fed a real match in final. Safin's
just a dumb spoiler who got lucky one time....
Hops
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Roddick lost to nobody at Roland Garros - that's his normal level, US was
clearly a colossal fluke......
Ukrfan
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Regards, Yury
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tennis fans think, since often the mass has stupid ideas.
(C) Steve Jaros
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Whisper
> ....who was #1 in the world after absolutely crushing Sampras at USO.....
>
That the guy who sqeaked through 7-6 in 5th set in rd 3...?
Ukrfan
Karen Wall
> > he'll probably have to get through Henman, who he also has losing
> > record against.
>
> Fed will beat Henman easily (3 sets). Mark my words.
Oh, yeah, I agree. Didn't complete my thoughts, was really talking
about possible Roddick / Henman semi, that should be a good one as
Roddick is 1-3 against him.
nemanja
Um yeah and Federer is 1-6 against Henman, so I'm not ready to take any
bets, especially on Tim's strongest surface.
Nemanja
Gordon Cameron
Got lucky twice. (You may recall the dumb spoiler waxing Sampras in
straight sets at the US Open.)
bob
it's over hops. we all know it. i expect karen to pay.
bob
bob
> Still good enough for that Sampras guy :)
yes, on one day he was..for the other 3649 days of previous 10 yrs, he was
not.
bob
Yury
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??? They played twice before that USO - once Pete won easily (when Marat was
18-yearr old), next time (at Canadian open) Safin won.
They played four times after that final - tied.
What's your point ?
Whisper
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14 slams v 1
StephenJ
> bets, especially on Tim's strongest surface.
Henman couldn't beat Sampras at W, so what makes you think he has a chance
in hell vs. Federer?
;)
StephenJ
> > >
> >
> > jeez, he hasn't retired yet. Have some dignity, man! : )
>
> it's over hops. we all know it. i expect karen to pay.
Yep, no use delaying the inevitable. Might as well bite the bullet now..
StephenJ
> Safin just lost to nobody in 1st rd Wimbledon - that's his normal level,
AO
> was clearly a colossal fluke.....
... except that was his second AO final..
StephenJ
> yes, on one day he was..for the other 3649 days of previous 10 yrs, he was
> not.
Didn't Safin beat Sampras at AO semis?
Dj Acp
> doesn't know how to win tournaments.
>
> Dave
He have to get more experienced, he's still young.
Whisper
"StephenJ" <SJ...@sestSJJj.ttcom> wrote in message
> > Um yeah and Federer is 1-6 against Henman, so I'm not ready to take any
> > bets, especially on Tim's strongest surface.
>
> Henman couldn't beat Sampras at W, so what makes you think he has a chance
> in hell vs. Federer?
>
> ;)
>
>
He's already beaten Fed at Wimbledon, so it's a no-brainer. But true, he
never came close to beating Sampras at Wim....
StephenJ
> > Henman couldn't beat Sampras at W, so what makes you think he has a
chance
> > in hell vs. Federer?
> >
> > ;)
> >
> >
>
> He's already beaten Fed at Wimbledon, so it's a no-brainer. But true, he
> never came close to beating Sampras at Wim....
Didn't Henman beat Federer at W after Federer had beaten Sampras?
:)
Whisper
"StephenJ" <SJ...@sestSJJj.ttcom> wrote in message
>
> > > Henman couldn't beat Sampras at W, so what makes you think he has a
> chance
> > > in hell vs. Federer?
> > >
> > > ;)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > He's already beaten Fed at Wimbledon, so it's a no-brainer. But true,
he
> > never came close to beating Sampras at Wim....
>
> Didn't Henman beat Federer at W after Federer had beaten Sampras?
>
> :)
>
Yes, & as Henman was incapable of beating Pete, this tells us Pete was way
past his best - losing to a guy who Henman beat....? Please....
Karen Wall
>
> >
> >
> > he'll probably have to get through Henman, who he also has losing
> > record against.
> >
Sorry, why do I owe you $100.00. Please explain.
Karen Wall
> On 2004-06-21, Karen Wall <kar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > He predicted Roddick would win Australian (looking at Hops' chart).
> >
> > Fed's slice on grass is so tough. Think that gives him the edge, but
> > he'll probably have to get through Henman, who he also has losing
> > record against.
>
> half of the draw as Henman, so "get through" doesn't make sense. Both
> Fed and Roddick have a losing record against Henman, so that isn't a
> clue either.
I know. I posted without previewing, when I read it I couldn't figure
out what I meant either!
I think Fed has the edge over both in the final, even though he has
losing record to Henman. I think it would be easier for him to beat
Roddick thoug.
Roddick doesn't seem to have much slice.
Karen Wall
> bets, especially on Tim's strongest surface.
>
> Nemanja
Actually, it's 2-6. But Federer has a Wimbledon trophy, Henman doesn't.
bob
sure, you forgot. after agassi's last GS final, whenever that was, you bet
me 100$ that agassi would make another GS final, i said he wouldn't. i think
it's pretty obvious he won't. but i'll be patient for the money til andre
makes it official.
bob
>
bob
"StephenJ" <SJ...@sestSJJj.ttcom> wrote in message
>
> > yes, on one day he was..for the other 3649 days of previous 10 yrs, he
was
> > not.
>
> Didn't Safin beat Sampras at AO semis?
yes, i guess sampras won 'some', safin won 'some'.. they're equal :-)
bob
Dj Acp
> clearly a colossal fluke......
I dont know if US was a fluke but hes certainly not the great player
that everybody thinks.
Hops
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It wasn't a fluke, and Roddick is a great player. I'd still take Safin over
him though.
Frank Fontaine
Safin.
Whisper
I don't think slicing Fed to death is no.1 strategy for Roddick.... ; )
Whisper
Check back next sunday & after USO........
nemanja
Actually, it's 1-6, because the other loss is a retirement so we can't make
too much of that. And functionally it was 0-5 until this year, and it's 1-2
during Fed's hot streak, and 0-1 on grass, and 0-1 at Wimbledon
Nemanja
Gordon Cameron
Fed absolutely pasted Tim at Indian Wells though... I was wondering
how the heck he had gotten so many matches off the guy.
Karen Wall
Well, officially it's 2-6. And anyone who saw Fed play today had to
be scared.
54 minutes, maybe a record for a completed best of 5. And the
Wimbledon loss was 3 years ago.
M P
"Roddick is a great player."
et tu, Hops, et tu?
Hops
"M P" <Blackfo...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> someone pretending to be Hops wrote:
>
> "Roddick is a great player."
>
> et tu, Hops, et tu?
Sure. Hard to get to #1 without being great.
Dj Acp
> just a dumb spoiler who got lucky one time....
Safin was far more deserverd no.1 than roddick was.
Whisper
> > just a dumb spoiler who got lucky one time....
>
> Safin was far more deserverd no.1 than roddick was.
Safin was never yr-end No.1 - thank god. Apes don't deserve that
honour.....
Hops
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What about tree-swinger Sampras?
Gordon Cameron
> "Whisper" <itchyb...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:<40d8...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>...
> > "Ukrfan" <ukrf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > Bla-bla-bla....
> > > Every slam Roddick loses we hear he "shoulda" win....
> > >
> >
> >
> > He shoulda made final - & maybe give Fed a real match in final. Safin's
> > just a dumb spoiler who got lucky one time....
>
> straight sets at the US Open.)
edit: oh, I guess that was the "lucky one time" you meant. I thought
you meant he was lucky getting to the AO final... nevermind.
bob
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the same old lame joke about pete. hops you're usually better than that.
bob
StephenJ
>
> the same old lame joke about pete. hops you're usually better than that.
Funny thing is, Sampras doesn't look anything like an ape.
Still, Sampras ruined a good chance to make men's tennis more interesting by
not shooting the shit back at Andre. We could have used a good old Mac/Jimmy
or Mac/Lendl type "i hate his guts" rivalry in the 90s...
Hops
Whole argument is pointless. Mental or physical attributes are irrelevant
.. only results on court matter. Safin would have deserved #1 in 2000 had
Agassi beaten Guga in ATP final, and Pete certainly deserved all his #1s.
Whisper
"StephenJ" <SJ...@sestSJJj.ttcom> wrote in message
> > > What about tree-swinger Sampras?
> >
> > the same old lame joke about pete. hops you're usually better than that.
>
> Funny thing is, Sampras doesn't look anything like an ape.
>
> Still, Sampras ruined a good chance to make men's tennis more interesting
by
> not shooting the shit back at Andre. We could have used a good old
Mac/Jimmy
> or Mac/Lendl type "i hate his guts" rivalry in the 90s...
>
>
Sampras is a class act. Sampras does resemble an ape, & Agassi a
monkey..........
Hops
Look in the mirror, Chim-Chim.
Dj Acp
>
> Safin was never yr-end No.1 - thank god. Apes don't deserve that
> honour.....
so what about Roddick ? in wich NOT deserved year end no.1 is he ?
Whisper
> >
> > Sampras is a class act. Sampras does resemble an ape, & Agassi a
> > monkey..........
>
>
> Look in the mirror, Chim-Chim.
>
I always do. I have a mirror next to my monitor...... ; )