Greatest upsets in Tennis history:
The Flying Racket
#2 Sampras - Yzaga R16 USOpen 1994 (6-3 3-6 6-4 6-7 5-7)
#3 Agassi - Kucera R64 RolandGarros 2000 (6-2 5-7 1-6 0-6)
#4 McEnroe - Scunlan R16 USOpen 1983 (6-7 6-7 6-4 3-6)
#5 Borg - Stockton (USA) R16 USOpen 1977 (6-3 4-6 0-1 ret.)
Who knows more?
Sampras - Cowan 2th round Wimbledon 2001 could have been another great,
what a pity.
I like a lot the Bagel-Breadstick Agassi was fed in RG2000.
Wayne
Agassi gave up on that match after failing to serve out for a 2 sets to
luv lead, I remember the match well. Add Agassi vs Haehnel to your list
from FO 04. Agassi lost to a total unknown.
Javier González Nicolini
> #1 Becker - Doohan R64 Wimbledon 1987 (6-7 6-4 2-6 4-6)
> #2 Sampras - Yzaga R16 USOpen 1994 (6-3 3-6 6-4 6-7 5-7)
> #3 Agassi - Kucera R64 RolandGarros 2000 (6-2 5-7 1-6 0-6)
> #4 McEnroe - Scunlan R16 USOpen 1983 (6-7 6-7 6-4 3-6)
> #5 Borg - Stockton (USA) R16 USOpen 1977 (6-3 4-6 0-1 ret.)
>
> Who knows more?
>
Muller def Roddick 6-7(4) 6-7(10) 6-7(1) , 2005 USOpen R128 .
Fourth seed and former USO champ losing in straights to unknown in the
first round, on his home turf? (the ridiculously overhyped "Mojo"
publicity stunt made it more painful than what it already was.)
Nobody expected that, and I think that even the most rabid Roddick
hater must have felt sorry for Andy.
Wayne
Agassi gave up on that match after failing to serve out for a 2 sets to
Wayne
Agassi gave up on that match after failing to serve out for a 2 sets to
The Flying Racket
I will add to the list if more suggestion come it.
Wayne wrote:
[third time same stuff]
Liedetector
The Flying Racket wrote:
> #1 Becker - Doohan R64 Wimbledon 1987 (6-7 6-4 2-6 4-6)
> #2 Sampras - Yzaga R16 USOpen 1994 (6-3 3-6 6-4 6-7 5-7)
> #3 Agassi - Kucera R64 RolandGarros 2000 (6-2 5-7 1-6 0-6)
> #4 McEnroe - Scunlan R16 USOpen 1983 (6-7 6-7 6-4 3-6)
> #5 Borg - Stockton (USA) R16 USOpen 1977 (6-3 4-6 0-1 ret.)
You guys have bad memory
Graf losing to McNeil (1994 Wim. She was going for 4 in a row)
Lendl losing to Svensson (1988 FO. He was going for 3 in a row)
Some clown stops a champion for going 3-4 in a row is a big upset IMO.
These two are the biggest I can think of. Nothing comes close. McNeil
and Svensson were real clowns.
Although there might be reasons. Graf was still in the state of shock
from her loss/thrashing from Mary Pierce in 1994 FO semis. She was
aiming for a calendar slam. Lendl lost to Cash in 1988 AO semis and
that ruined his year. Lendl was expecting a calendar slam too.
Whisper
> #1 Becker - Doohan R64 Wimbledon 1987 (6-7 6-4 2-6 4-6)
> #2 Sampras - Yzaga R16 USOpen 1994 (6-3 3-6 6-4 6-7 5-7)
> #3 Agassi - Kucera R64 RolandGarros 2000 (6-2 5-7 1-6 0-6)
> #4 McEnroe - Scunlan R16 USOpen 1983 (6-7 6-7 6-4 3-6)
> #5 Borg - Stockton (USA) R16 USOpen 1977 (6-3 4-6 0-1 ret.)
>
> Who knows more?
>
2006 FO final Roddick def Nadal 6-1 6-0 6-2, after also beating Fed in
semis 6-0 6-2 6-1.
John
"The Flying Racket" <ob...@web.de> wrote in message
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Edberg - Volkov 1990 USO 1st round (3:6, 6:7, 2:6), he was no.1 seed,
reigning W champion.
Mikko Ämmälä
And had totally dominated US summer hardcourt season.
.mikko
John
"Mikko Ämmälä" <mich...@mail.suomi.net> wrote in message
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Yes, Edberg had a 21 match winning streak from Wimbledon to the last
tournament before
USO in Long Island.
>
> .mikko
coop-a-loop
Like Federer losing early at Wim this year would definitely be
considered one.
Or Nadal losing on clay in the next 1000 years? LOL.
Dave Hazelwood
Nadal will not make the MC final. Does that count as 1000 years ?
wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
villai...@rediffmail.com (Liedetector) wrote:
> Graf losing to McNeil (1994 Wim. She was going for 4 in a row)
I don't think that was truly a huge upset. McNeil was the highest-ranked
unseeded player in the tournament, and she notoriously had the game for
grass. She had taken Graf to three sets before, at the US Open in 1987.
(She grew up with Garrison, too, who beat Graf in the Wimbledon sf in
1990, and their games were similar.) Everyone at the time said it was a
really tough first round for Graf, and while people didn't really expect
her to lose they weren't that surprised when she did.
ASV over Graf in the French Open final in 1989 was a far bigger upset. So
was Dokic over Hingis in Wimbledon 1r 1999. Also either of Coetzer's wins
over Graf, one of which was in the AO 4r.
wg
Rose_
tournament before
USO in Long Island.
Happily for us Edberg fans he came back to win the USO title the
following year. I think that was a first.
Rose
Rose_
vfer...@hotmail.com
several 3 setters over the years.
I was always stunned (and annoyed) by Capriati's crumbling to
Weingartner at Aus Open coming in as 2x defending champ. What happened
there? Lack of prep due to eye surgery? I think Jen had a pretty big
lead anyway and still managed to blow it.
To me, that's a far greater upset. I think Serena almost lost to Loit
the next day. That would have qualified as well.
barc...@hotmail.com
Cup at Ecuador? I thought in the mid-60's the defending Men's Wimbledon
champ was ousted in the first round.
greg...@hotmail.com
> Cup at Ecuador? I thought in the mid-60's the defending Men's Wimbledon
> champ was ousted in the first round.
Yep - Santana in 1967
Calimero
Coetzer was #14, Graf full of antibiotics.
Why is it so surprising for you that Graf lost?
Max
stef7373
Federer- Ancic 3-6 6-7(2) 3-6
wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
calim...@gmx.de (Calimero) wrote:
> Coetzer was #14, Graf full of antibiotics.
> Why is it so surprising for you that Graf lost?
No one expected it even to be a tough match for Graf, since the received
wisdom was that Coetzer had no weapons to hurt Graf. I might add that the
Australian newspaper The Age includes that match in its list of
greatest-ever upsets at the AO:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/tennis/greatest-open-upsets/2006/01/15/11371
19011202.html
wg
David Henry
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Your wee wee must be sore.
No one could have whipped that up without superhuman effort.
Dave ; >
David Henry
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Yes, but Volkov was talented and could beat a good player on his day.
Hewitt-Karlovic might be a good one. Hewitt was No. 1, the top seed, and the
defending champ with a superb grass record to that point.
But we've seen Karlovic defeat many top player since, so.... But at the time
it was big.
Russell defeating Guga at Roland Garros would have been it, had Guga not
escaped.
Dave
stephenj
> #1 Becker - Doohan R64 Wimbledon 1987 (6-7 6-4 2-6 4-6)
> #2 Sampras - Yzaga R16 USOpen 1994 (6-3 3-6 6-4 6-7 5-7)
> #3 Agassi - Kucera R64 RolandGarros 2000 (6-2 5-7 1-6 0-6)
> #4 McEnroe - Scunlan R16 USOpen 1983 (6-7 6-7 6-4 3-6)
> #5 Borg - Stockton (USA) R16 USOpen 1977 (6-3 4-6 0-1 ret.)
>
> Who knows more?
ASV > Graf at 89 FO has to be high up in the top 5, arguably #1.
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David Henry
"stephenj" <sj...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> The Flying Racket wrote:
>> #1 Becker - Doohan R64 Wimbledon 1987 (6-7 6-4 2-6 4-6)
>> #2 Sampras - Yzaga R16 USOpen 1994 (6-3 3-6 6-4 6-7 5-7)
>> #3 Agassi - Kucera R64 RolandGarros 2000 (6-2 5-7 1-6 0-6)
>> #4 McEnroe - Scunlan R16 USOpen 1983 (6-7 6-7 6-4 3-6)
>> #5 Borg - Stockton (USA) R16 USOpen 1977 (6-3 4-6 0-1 ret.)
>>
>> Who knows more?
>
> ASV > Graf at 89 FO has to be high up in the top 5, arguably #1.
Only problem with that is that Sanchez wasn't someone who floated in, won a
slam, and floated off. She was a bonafide all-time great in the making and
eventually won more slams, with more wins over Graf at slams.
It's similar to when Edberg and Becker were upset by Bruguera and
Ivanisevic. At the time, they seemed like huge upsets because the tennis
world weren't too familiar with either young player. But over time, they
both proved themselves to be slam champs and reached 2 and 3 in the world.
With Arantxa, she went on to even greater heights: No. 1 and singles and
doubles, 4 singles slams, more doubles and mixed slams, tons of regular
titles, etc.
I guess this question could be split: biggest upsets at the time and biggest
upsets in retrospect. In retrospect, ASV's upset of Graf wasn't that huge.
IIRC, ASV upset Evert along the way. Granted, Chris was on her way out later
that year and played injured, but....
Dave
The Flying Racket
David Henry wrote:
> upsets in retrospect. In retrospect, ASV's upset of Graf wasn't that huge.
Not only in retrospect. ASV was a clay specialist who won already 6
games before (including against some names) and was in the Final of the
FO. While still an upset, it isn't never that huge than a Peter Doohan
winning in second round Wimbledon against an unbeaten chamion.
I think you could measure an upset by the betting odds of that match.
The game yesterday of Nadal would have given a 50:1 odd if he lost.
That would have been already a big upset. Federer's matches always hava
20:1 or higher odd.
I think ASV FO 89 was never even 20:1, perhaps 12:1 that she wins.
But Doohan - Becker 87 Wimbledon was surely beyound 100:1.
Whisper
> The Flying Racket wrote:
>
>> #1 Becker - Doohan R64 Wimbledon 1987 (6-7 6-4 2-6 4-6)
>> #2 Sampras - Yzaga R16 USOpen 1994 (6-3 3-6 6-4 6-7 5-7)
>> #3 Agassi - Kucera R64 RolandGarros 2000 (6-2 5-7 1-6 0-6)
>> #4 McEnroe - Scunlan R16 USOpen 1983 (6-7 6-7 6-4 3-6)
>> #5 Borg - Stockton (USA) R16 USOpen 1977 (6-3 4-6 0-1 ret.)
>>
>> Who knows more?
>
>
> ASV > Graf at 89 FO has to be high up in the top 5, arguably #1.
>
>
It was a shock at the time - didn't even bother watching as I thought
6-2 6-2 at best - then Graf blamed her priod lol... : )
Those were the days....
Calimero
What about
"Coetzer was #14, Graf full of antibiotics."
didn't make it to your screen?
Graf - who is not known for her dishonesty - later said that she didn't
really expect to win that match. But maybe "The Age" knows better?
Max
wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
telem...@msn.com (David Henry) wrote:
>
> Only problem with that is that Sanchez wasn't someone who floated in,
> won a slam, and floated off. She was a bonafide all-time great in the
> making and eventually won more slams, with more wins over Graf at
> slams.
You can say that with hindsight, but at the time it was a huge shock to
everyone. ASV had never so much as played a tough set against Graf at the
time; although she had made the semis or better in all the clay events
she'd played that spring, Graf had always beaten her in what *Graf*
described *at the time* as "two easy sets". The year before, Graf had
beaten Zvereva in 34 minutes. Everyone was, at the beginning of the ASV
match, therefore, just glad when ASV won a game.
I will also point out that at the time ASV was the lowest -- #7 -- seed
*ever* to win a GS.
It was an enormous upset at the time.
wg
greg...@hotmail.com
Excuses, excuses.
If she wasn't 100% fit, she should not have played ...
Calimero
But she played anyway. And it was neither an excuse FOR her loss nor a
great upset THAT she lost.
Are you intellectually capable of understanding that?
Most certainly not .....
Max
greg...@hotmail.com
> great upset THAT she lost.
> Are you intellectually capable of understanding that?
> Most certainly not .....
Ooh, touchy!!
Let's face it - Coetzer was a bumrooting hack who never achieved
anything - if Graf was so good she should have been able to beat her
playing at 50% ...
stephenj
> "stephenj" <sj...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:9yW1g.5022$ZW3.309@dukeread04...
>
>>The Flying Racket wrote:
>>
>>>#1 Becker - Doohan R64 Wimbledon 1987 (6-7 6-4 2-6 4-6)
>>>#2 Sampras - Yzaga R16 USOpen 1994 (6-3 3-6 6-4 6-7 5-7)
>>>#3 Agassi - Kucera R64 RolandGarros 2000 (6-2 5-7 1-6 0-6)
>>>#4 McEnroe - Scunlan R16 USOpen 1983 (6-7 6-7 6-4 3-6)
>>>#5 Borg - Stockton (USA) R16 USOpen 1977 (6-3 4-6 0-1 ret.)
>>>
>>>Who knows more?
>>
>>ASV > Graf at 89 FO has to be high up in the top 5, arguably #1.
>
>
>
> Only problem with that is that Sanchez wasn't someone who floated in, won a
> slam, and floated off.
meaningless. at the time graf was more dominant than anyone ever had
been and was playing at her best event, the FO. ASV was a total nobody.
it was like having the switch thrown in the electric chair.
stephenj
that's right! :)
wouldn't be the last time graf and her grafans would have silly excuses.
David Henry
"stephenj" <sj...@cox.net> wrote in message news:JOd2g.83$4H.10@dukeread03...
> Whisper wrote:
>> stephenj wrote:
>>
>>> The Flying Racket wrote:
>>>
>>>> #1 Becker - Doohan R64 Wimbledon 1987 (6-7 6-4 2-6 4-6)
>>>> #2 Sampras - Yzaga R16 USOpen 1994 (6-3 3-6 6-4 6-7 5-7)
>>>> #3 Agassi - Kucera R64 RolandGarros 2000 (6-2 5-7 1-6 0-6)
>>>> #4 McEnroe - Scunlan R16 USOpen 1983 (6-7 6-7 6-4 3-6)
>>>> #5 Borg - Stockton (USA) R16 USOpen 1977 (6-3 4-6 0-1 ret.)
>>>>
>>>> Who knows more?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ASV > Graf at 89 FO has to be high up in the top 5, arguably #1.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> It was a shock at the time - didn't even bother watching as I thought 6-2
>> 6-2 at best - then Graf blamed her priod lol... : )
>
> that's right! :)
>
> wouldn't be the last time graf and her grafans would have silly excuses.
Funny that tidbit came from print media (Sports Illustrated) and not the
telecast. When I read it, I had a little chuckle: human after all, eh, Ms.
Graf?
Dave
Calimero
She never did that. It's a U.S.-fabricated myth.
Max
Calimero
stephenj wrote:
> David Henry wrote:
> > "stephenj" <sj...@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:9yW1g.5022$ZW3.309@dukeread04...
> >
> >>The Flying Racket wrote:
> >>
> >>>#1 Becker - Doohan R64 Wimbledon 1987 (6-7 6-4 2-6 4-6)
> >>>#2 Sampras - Yzaga R16 USOpen 1994 (6-3 3-6 6-4 6-7 5-7)
> >>>#3 Agassi - Kucera R64 RolandGarros 2000 (6-2 5-7 1-6 0-6)
> >>>#4 McEnroe - Scunlan R16 USOpen 1983 (6-7 6-7 6-4 3-6)
> >>>#5 Borg - Stockton (USA) R16 USOpen 1977 (6-3 4-6 0-1 ret.)
> >>>
> >>>Who knows more?
> >>
> >>ASV > Graf at 89 FO has to be high up in the top 5, arguably #1.
> >
> >
> >
> > Only problem with that is that Sanchez wasn't someone who floated in, won a
> > slam, and floated off.
>
> meaningless. at the time graf was more dominant than anyone ever had
> been and was playing at her best event, the FO. ASV was a total nobody.
> it was like having the switch thrown in the electric chair.
Indeed.
Graf losing to #7 seed ASV at FO 89 was far more shocking than
Navratilova losing to WTA # 56 Kathy Horvath at FO 83. Not even
mentioning Navi's loss to #9 seed Sukova at AO 84.
Because to compare the dominance of peak Graf with Navi's heyday
(mid-80ies according to U.S. tennis fans) would be ludicrous.
Max
Calimero
stephenj wrote:
> Whisper wrote:
> > stephenj wrote:
> >
> >> The Flying Racket wrote:
> >>
> >>> #1 Becker - Doohan R64 Wimbledon 1987 (6-7 6-4 2-6 4-6)
> >>> #2 Sampras - Yzaga R16 USOpen 1994 (6-3 3-6 6-4 6-7 5-7)
> >>> #3 Agassi - Kucera R64 RolandGarros 2000 (6-2 5-7 1-6 0-6)
> >>> #4 McEnroe - Scunlan R16 USOpen 1983 (6-7 6-7 6-4 3-6)
> >>> #5 Borg - Stockton (USA) R16 USOpen 1977 (6-3 4-6 0-1 ret.)
> >>>
> >>> Who knows more?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ASV > Graf at 89 FO has to be high up in the top 5, arguably #1.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > It was a shock at the time - didn't even bother watching as I thought
> > 6-2 6-2 at best - then Graf blamed her priod lol... : )
>
> that's right! :)
>
> wouldn't be the last time graf and her grafans would have silly excuses.
My favourite excuse still is "She lost because she received a 1.5-cm
stab wound 6 years ago."
That was not Graf, though ....
Max
wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
calim...@gmx.de (Calimero) wrote:
Graf may have been the only person who wasn't surprised, in that case.
wg
Whisper
>>
>>
>> It was a shock at the time - didn't even bother watching as I thought
>> 6-2 6-2 at best - then Graf blamed her priod lol... : )
>
>
> that's right! :)
>
> wouldn't be the last time graf and her grafans would have silly excuses.
>
>
Not saying it wasn't an excuse, but funny she came out with it.... : )
Whisper
It's in 1 of my mags....
Calimero
What?
a) That Steffi excused her loss with having her period?
b) Or that she was asked again and again and again by the press why she
had to leave the court before that last game and eventually said -
obviously embarrassed - that she had to take a short break because she
suffered from menstrual cramps?
Max
Calimero
I still have the video where the TV commentator predicted that this
match would be "a really, really tough one for Steffi" because "she had
to take medication, maybe even antibiotics" and that "she might suffer
especially from the terrible heat" under these circumstances.
Max
Whisper
Something like 'that time of the month' comment - no big deal. She was
pissed at losing a match where she essentially won all 3 sets - lost
setpoint in 1st set, & led 5-3 in 3rd. Irritating loss to a lesser
player, like Sampras v Edberg '92 USO final....
stephenj
> stephenj wrote:
>
>>David Henry wrote:
>>
>>>"stephenj" <sj...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:9yW1g.5022$ZW3.309@dukeread04...
>>>
>>>
>>>>The Flying Racket wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>#1 Becker - Doohan R64 Wimbledon 1987 (6-7 6-4 2-6 4-6)
>>>>>#2 Sampras - Yzaga R16 USOpen 1994 (6-3 3-6 6-4 6-7 5-7)
>>>>>#3 Agassi - Kucera R64 RolandGarros 2000 (6-2 5-7 1-6 0-6)
>>>>>#4 McEnroe - Scunlan R16 USOpen 1983 (6-7 6-7 6-4 3-6)
>>>>>#5 Borg - Stockton (USA) R16 USOpen 1977 (6-3 4-6 0-1 ret.)
>>>>>
>>>>>Who knows more?
>>>>
>>>>ASV > Graf at 89 FO has to be high up in the top 5, arguably #1.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Only problem with that is that Sanchez wasn't someone who floated in, won a
>>>slam, and floated off.
>>
>>meaningless. at the time graf was more dominant than anyone ever had
>>been and was playing at her best event, the FO. ASV was a total nobody.
>>it was like having the switch thrown in the electric chair.
>
>
>
> Indeed.
> Graf losing to #7 seed ASV at FO 89 was far more shocking than
> Navratilova losing to WTA # 56 Kathy Horvath at FO 83.
much moreso. anyone who watched MN back then knows that even at her most
dominant, she was mentally fragile and thus there was always a small
chance she could lose to anyone on a given day.
graf losing to asv defied description ...
stephenj
max thinks that any mag that reports anything even possibly construable
as negative about graf is part of a Vast Anti-Graf Conspiracy led by US
Graf Haters Conglomerated. Never mind that Graf was always (and still
is) popular in the US.
i'm close to concluding that "max" is a bot programmed by a parche-like
grafanatic ...
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Fräulein Forehand, undone by Seles's ability to hit winners fore and aft at
the German Open, was espied at Roland Garros using a two-fisted backhand,
presumably to keep up in the arms race. In the head war between the
two young women, Seles may have won the final then and there.
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