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nstrik

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Oct 6, 2001, 6:25:17 AM10/6/01
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ITTF must be pretty full of themselves to think that changes like an
11-point game, bigger ball, and no hidden serve will actually attract even 1
more person to watch a game.
Table tennis was a sport that I enjoyed and took away the stress of the day.
Now, I find myself so stressed having only 11 points to win a match, with
only 2 serves at a time. Tell me that your blood pressure doesn't jump in
this (too)fast-paced environment.


Caccobio

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Oct 6, 2001, 7:04:17 AM10/6/01
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>Tell me that your blood pressure doesn't jump in
>this (too)fast-paced environment.

Agreed about the stress. However, I definately like the bigger ball and the
no-service rule. For me, it was very stressful to play a guy log Rob Trudell
who I'm more than equal to in strokes, footwork and blocking, but lose to him
b/c I couldn't even put his serve back on the table! The bigger ball helps me
to return serves, and though hidden serves is not really a huge problem at my
level, I'm still glad to see that it won't be bothering the pros.

marco

le_djé

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Oct 6, 2001, 8:45:18 AM10/6/01
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"Caccobio" <cacc...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message news:
20011006070417...@mb-fo.aol.com...

That's because you can put less spin in the new ball compared to the 38mm
one.
I found the game more technical in a way with the old ball; now the spin is
less important everybody tends to play stronger and faster, with less
variety in fact.
As for the hidden serves (I find it good because at my level I don't know
how to hide my serve efficiently + I don't read these seves well enough),
I'm curious to see how it will be applied when you can currently see so many
fouls with the serves, that are not sanctioned, such as not tossing the ball
high enough, and sometimes not at all.


Scott Gordon

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Oct 6, 2001, 11:33:10 AM10/6/01
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nstrik <table...@att.net> wrote:
: Now, I find myself so stressed having only 11 points to win a match, with

: only 2 serves at a time. Tell me that your blood pressure doesn't jump in
: this (too)fast-paced environment.

It's funny, I must be the only one who finds the 11-point game *less*
stressful than the previous 21-point games. With 5 games in a match,
I just don't stress out when I fall behind... I figure, well, if lose
it's only one game out of 5. Not like when you're down 12-5 in a game
and thinking, I have to dig myself out of this hole or I'll fall
seriously behind in the match. With the 11-point game, if you fall
way behind in one game it's not the end of the world.

Scott

David Marcus

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Oct 6, 2001, 2:06:24 PM10/6/01
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Scott Gordon wrote:
> It's funny, I must be the only one who finds the 11-point game *less*
> stressful than the previous 21-point games. With 5 games in a match,
> I just don't stress out when I fall behind... I figure, well, if lose
> it's only one game out of 5. Not like when you're down 12-5 in a game
> and thinking, I have to dig myself out of this hole or I'll fall
> seriously behind in the match. With the 11-point game, if you fall
> way behind in one game it's not the end of the world.

Ah, someone who can see the big picture. :)

--
David Marcus

Robert Mayer

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Oct 6, 2001, 11:15:28 PM10/6/01
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Scott Gordon <sgo...@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<WuFv7.2815$no1....@typhoon.sonic.net>...

You're not the only one, Scott. I also like the new 11-point format.
If I have a 3-4 point lead on someone with good serves, I'm not
worried about him making a huge momentum shift when it's his turn to
serve. Also, it's somewhat of a confidence-builder for the underdog
who has a chance to win a game or two even though, in all likelihood,
he still won't win the match.

- Robert -

Caccobio

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Oct 7, 2001, 6:23:30 AM10/7/01
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>Also, it's somewhat of a confidence-builder for the underdog
>who has a chance to win a game or two even though, in all likelihood,
>he still won't win the match.
>
>- Robert -
>

Even in 21 point games the underdog does have somewhat of an advantage b/c he
has nothing to lose and so can play all out. However, with 11 point games the
underdog REALLY has the advantage. Therefore, if you are the underdog, there
is less stress. If you are the higher player, then there does appear to be
more stress.

marco

TTAmorak

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Oct 7, 2001, 10:59:32 AM10/7/01
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>It's funny, I must be the only one who finds the 11-point game *less*
>stressful than the previous 21-point games. With 5 games in a match,
>I just don't stress out when I fall behind...

No, you're not alone! I'm less stressed and play better with the
11 point games.


jc

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Oct 7, 2001, 9:57:24 PM10/7/01
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"TTAmorak" <ttam...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I don't know that I play better but I think I like the 11 point format
as well. I've taken games off players that are rated 400 - 500 points
higher, I think due to the fact they might have relaxed a bit too much and
allowed me a lead at the beginning of a game.
At the same time, I've had a lot of matches go to the fifth and it does
seem to be more physically challenging than two close 21 point games. Also
more deuce games, which do add a bit of stress - but it's "good" stress!!
More exciting, I suspect, which may add to the physical challenge.
However, all that said, I have a hell of time remembering both the
current score and how many games I've won or lost. It must be the age
thing... unless it's weight related!
Cheers,
jc

Scott Gordon

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Oct 8, 2001, 1:44:35 AM10/8/01
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TTAmorak <ttam...@aol.com> wrote:
: <sgo...@sonic.net> wrote:
: > It's funny, I must be the only one who finds the 11-point game *less*

Now, I didn't say that I *play* better... it could be that I actually
play worse. I just feel less stressed!

Scott

TTAmorak

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Oct 8, 2001, 11:47:49 AM10/8/01
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> However, all that said, I have a hell of time remembering both the
>current score and how many games I've won or lost. It must be the age
>thing... unless it's weight related!

I've been playing mostly best of 7 matches. And it does get VERY
difficult remembering scores. I seem to be remembering games
pretty well.

The hardest thing is DOUBLES. If you play a best of 7 match in
doubles: Who serves this game? Who is he serving to? How many
games have we won? How many games have you won? When do
we switch in the 7th? When someone gets to five? Well, then, who's
returning the serve then?

And then the player rotations every 2 serves! Ack!

So for singles I'm playing the 11 point format. But for doubles, I find
it MUCH easier sticking with the 21 point games, best of 3.


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