Shooting, deaths at Columbine HS, Littleton, Colorado
Hiller SB
that they are strapped with explosives.
Apparently the two suicidal kids who did the damage were targeting athletes and
blacks.
Parents down the LF line at the baseball game I watched today here in San Diego
knew that it could happen anywhere, any time. Kind of surreal discussion. Who
do you trust?
Vince
DGruper
Kind of makes all this stuff we talk and argue over on rss totally mute and
unimportant, doesn't it?
One can't be human and not feel for the kids, parents and faculty in Colorado.
It's a damned shame that it takes something like this to wake people up.
Our personal thoughts and prayers to those that have suffered. Godspeed to all
of them.
Later
Dave
DGruper
colo...@my-dejanews.com
Just to bring it all a little closer to home, the faculty member who was
critically wounded (it's unknown as yet whether or not he survived) is the
girls' basketball head coach and an assistant softball coach. A senior at
Columbine (Amber Burgess) is on the Junior National team. Her status is also
unknown at this time.
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today's youth are doing with respect to being involved with their kids, and
who they hang out with. You cannot tell me that the parents of the killers
did not know these kids had swatikas tatoos on their bodies and where not
into trouble. One ony has to walk around the various Malls and schools and
see the youths who are most likely at risk. I am sure the teachers of the
school also know who is and who sint potential trouble but we have tied
their hands so much with "protecting individual rights" that they are
helpless to prevent this before it happens. It seems to me all of this is a
result of having to have both parents working in todays world and thus no
adult supervison for the kids while they are growing up. It is also a direct
result of other of today's society where we think it is ok to lie (even if
your are the President), ok to cheat on ones spouse, ok to ignore auhtority
figures and choke the coaches. We are causing this not the actual ones who
did the killing. It is a sorry state of affairs indeed.
Hiller SB wrote in message <19990421072223...@ngol07.aol.com>...
LynGor
one think it should be mandatory that all public schools go to uniforms and if
parents don't have the balls to enforce that there problem. This do-gooder
world we live in where there is no prayer in schools and parents have no
control of there children, and lets protect the bad guys [there so put upon] is
making me sick. Why in the world would any parent condone some of the outfits
kids wear to school today. They have no authority or they don't care. Our
wonderful moral President and this world is going to HELL in a
handbasket!!!!!!! Sorry I just had to vent.
debra loughead
LynGor wrote:
If there were no guns to steal you would live in a much safer place. We up north
send our condolences but your believe that every citizen has the right to bare arms
as in your haloed Constitution leaves us shaking our heads!!!Such a wonderful and
bright nation with such a wierd fixtation on fire arms???? To the people in
Colorado
our utmost SYMPATHY from your Canadian Softball/Fastpitch friends!!!!
James Masch
guarantee everyone, it all starts at home with the parents. Something
was definitely wrong there. God help the kids at Littleton HS. I pray
they can overcome this terrible rape upon their lives.
JM
JEDNAGL
north send our condolences but your believe that every citizen has the right to
bare arms
as in your haloed Constitution leaves us shaking our heads!!!Such a wonderful
and bright nation with such a wierd fixtation on fire arms???? To the people in
Colorado
our utmost SYMPATHY from your Canadian Softball/Fastpitch friends!!!!
I share your sentiments regarding firearms. The NRA has convinced otherwise
intelligent adults that there is no freedom without handguns or automatic
weapons. Here in FL, our governor wants to build fences or barricades on every
overpass as a result of the recent tragedy where more of our disenfranchised
youth dropped a brick on a motorist and killed her. He is trying to get a
similar barricade built on the sunshine skyway bridge due to several jumpers.
But he did not mention anything about guns when other teenage losers were
taking target practice on passing motorists. I can't even begin to explain
this nations SICK fascination with guns. Slavery was an institution that was
gotten rid of, why not guns? Would our lives be worse without them? Bet the
bunch of cowards who did this yesterday would never have the guts to attack
someone with their bare hands. I stand alone, the only gun control advocate in
the state of FL.
Jon
captcoyote
Jeez and I read were crime was down in Florida since the concealed weapons law
went into effect in Florida? Are they lying to us or is it just your own
political agenda to outlaw guns except to the criminals who will always have
them.
captcoyote
coachaja
their homes. That didnt make kids go to school and shoot everyone they
didnt like. I am not sure gun control is the answer, although I do think
some should be banned. I still think the answer lays with the way
parents seem to turn a blid eye to what their children are doing and I
still think it is a result of children having to little supervison in
the home. JMHO
UNLV SB 21 wrote:
> >I have no political agenda on this topic, only an opinion. I know
> guns will
> >never be banned; America loves guns more than life itself.
>
> Gosh, I agree with you SOOO much. If I were president I would
> definitely try to
> get rid of them. My mom and I were talking about the same thing today.
> Another
> thing I thought of...I think it should be MANDATORY that all kids have
>
> fingerprints as soon as they start kindergarten. This should be a law.
> The
> detectives in CO had to wait and get fingerprints from Driver's
> licenses, etc.
> They should make this a mandatory thing!! I know this is off the topic
> but like
> the others, I had to vent. It is SO ridiculous that things like this
> happen!!
captcoyote
>
>
>
>LynGor wrote:
>
>>It's very sad with no real solution. Ban guns -they will steal them etc.. I for
>>one think it should be mandatory that all public schools go to uniforms and if
>> parents don't have the balls to enforce that there problem. This do-gooder
>> world we live in where there is no prayer in schools and parents have no
>>control of there children, and lets protect the bad guys [there so put upon] is
>> making me sick. Why in the world would any parent condone some of the outfits
>> kids wear to school today. They have no authority or they don't care. Our
>> wonderful moral President and this world is going to HELL in a
>> handbasket!!!!!!! Sorry I just had to vent.
>
>
>
>north
>
>send our condolences but your believe that every citizen has the right to bare
>arms
>
>as in your haloed Constitution leaves us shaking our heads!!!Such a wonderful
>and
>
>bright nation with such a wierd fixtation on fire arms???? To the people in
>Colorado
>
>our utmost SYMPATHY from your Canadian Softball/Fastpitch friends!!!!
>
Maybe our forefathers didn't want to be under the crown so in their wisdom they
created the second amendment giving us the right to own firearms. Seemed to have
worked very well looking at the state of affairs (ours is confined to the white
house)in the USA and compared to Canada with your .65 on a dollar,wonderful
Medical (National health Insurance) were care is rationed out,your wonderful
crime rate in cities like Toronto (same as any city its size in North America)
and last but not least even all your hockey teams are leaving Canada the
birthplace of Hockey for greener pastures in the USA. I sure don't see many
people running from the USA to Canada since the Viet Nam War ended. So before
you throw stones at a society you should take care of your own first. AND no you
can't migrate to the USA.
captcoyote
captcoyote
says...
>
>>Jeez and I read were crime was down in Florida since the concealed weapons
>>law
>>went into effect in Florida? Are
>
>manner that the scorekeepers daughter has a 0.00era or a .590 ba. One of the
>news mags recently did an article on Philly where this type of lying with stats
>was uncovered. Friends of mine in law enforcement have noticed no such
>downturn. Just for the sake of argument, did you realize we have by far the
>highest murder rates as well as gun ownership rate and are the only non third
>world country with the death penalty? See any connections here?
>I have no political agenda on this topic, only an opinion. I know guns will
>never be banned; America loves guns more than life itself.
>
Whats the name of the magazine from Philadelphia? Rolling Stone or Mother Jones?
People in Law enforcement never see less crime as they are on the front lines
every day of there lifes. As far as the method of reporting, wasn't the same
methods used when it was higher? I doubt Florida has the highest Gun ownership,
maybe concealed weapons permits because not all states have such a law. Well at
least you do admit that they will never be banned and this is very true.
captcoyote
captcoyote
says...
>
>>I have no political agenda on this topic, only an opinion. I know guns will
>>never be banned; America loves guns more than life itself.
>
>get rid of them. My mom and I were talking about the same thing today. Another
>thing I thought of...I think it should be MANDATORY that all kids have
>fingerprints as soon as they start kindergarten. This should be a law. The
>detectives in CO had to wait and get fingerprints from Driver's licenses, etc.
>They should make this a mandatory thing!! I know this is off the topic but like
>the others, I had to vent. It is SO ridiculous that things like this happen!!
And we all know that you will never be president, if you like you can move to
Australia were they ban guns, but I doubt you would make their national team
either.
captcoyote
Vic Mangeney
respect their privacy.
and if they didnt have the guns, they would have just made more bombs or
bought the plans for them from our president like china did.
JEDNAGL
>law
>went into effect in Florida? Are
Crime is down due to the method of reporting. It is done in much the same
manner that the scorekeepers daughter has a 0.00era or a .590 ba. One of the
news mags recently did an article on Philly where this type of lying with stats
was uncovered. Friends of mine in law enforcement have noticed no such
downturn. Just for the sake of argument, did you realize we have by far the
highest murder rates as well as gun ownership rate and are the only non third
world country with the death penalty? See any connections here?
I have no political agenda on this topic, only an opinion. I know guns will
never be banned; America loves guns more than life itself.
Jon
UNLV SB 21
>never be banned; America loves guns more than life itself.
Gosh, I agree with you SOOO much. If I were president I would definitely try to
UNLV SB 21
>critically wounded (it's unknown as yet whether or not he survived) is the
>girls' basketball head coach and an assistant softball coach. A senior at
>Columbine (Amber Burgess) is on the Junior National team. Her status is also
>unknown at this time.
I know this probably won't matter but If you have any contact with these
people, please tell them that everyone out here in CA is hoping and praying
everything is ok!! I think that this is so ridiculous! These cowards should
just take their own lives and leave all of these wonderful people alone!! The
Rebel softball is sending warm wishes to all of the families there!!
UNLV SB 21
>north
>
>send our condolences but your believe that every citizen has the right to
>bare arms
>
>as in your haloed Constitution leaves us shaking our heads!!!Such a wonderful
>and
>
>bright nation with such a wierd fixtation on fire arms????
I agree!
Pobob1
>>Columbine (Amber Burgess) is on the Junior National team. Her status is
>also
>>unknown at this time.
The discussion about banning fireams isn't, in my humble opinion, a worthy
discussion in light of the tragedy that took place. It's not an issue that
will......or should be decided because of this sensless murder spree.
The question I have.......has Amber Burgess fate been confirmed????? I pray
that no news is good news.
bob
Charles Tilson
First its a
tragedy in Litleton but, are the people in FL going to ban bricks because someone
used one to commit a crime? I think not are they going to have a mentor to follow
every person that has said "Im going to kill myself" I think not. If the United
States put a total ban on firearms than only the thieves and thugs will have them.
Also the founding fathers when they wrote our Constitution did not believe that the
"the right to bear arms" and had no idea that semi automatic weapons would be
around at the time. But to ban all "long guns" (hunting rifles) and all no semi
automatic pistols is absurd. Not wanting to put the blame on anyone the 2 young
men in Littleton and to have some mental problems and would have used a golf club
to achieve their goals if guns were band. Again if your in Littleton
please accept my prayers and sorrow over your communities tragedy.
Charles TIlson
til...@swbell.net
JEDNAGL wrote:
> > If there were no guns to steal you would live in a much safer place. We up
> north send our condolences but your believe that every citizen has the right to
> bare arms
> as in your haloed Constitution leaves us shaking our heads!!!Such a wonderful
> and bright nation with such a wierd fixtation on fire arms???? To the people in
> Colorado
> our utmost SYMPATHY from your Canadian Softball/Fastpitch friends!!!!
>
Hiller SB
Eastern San Diego County, California
El Cajon Valley High School
Location: western El Cajon Valley
Status: entire campus surrounded by fence.
Athletic facilities: fenced.
Area: mostly apartments. High transient rate. "Trailer Trash" example.
Softball team: terrible, year after year after year. Easily the worst of the
district's 10 schools in this sport for the last 25 years.
El Capitan High School
Location: Lakeside, northeastern most school, extremely rural, farm animals,
rednecks, etc.
Status: open campus
Athletic facilities: open
Area: some apartments, some middle-class single family homes.
Softball team: Up and down but usually competitive.
Granite Hills High School
Location: east El Cajon Valley.
Status: open campus.
Athletic facilities: open. Shared with many youth programs.
Area: Upper-middle class. Few apartments.
Softball team: Probably the best in East County this year. Parental involvement
in off-season should take credit. Usually, however, middle-of-the-road.
Grossmont High School
Location: eastern La Mesa, bordering with El Cajon Valley. Most players live in
El Cajon.
Status: open campus.
Athletic facilities: completely fenced. Shared with many youth programs.
Area: Upper-middle and middle class. Few apartments.
Softball team: Competitive. Over the years one of the best programs in the
area.
Helix High School
Location: western La Mesa.
Status: open campus.
Athletic facilities: generally good. Most shared with youth programs.
Area: Middle class but also a big mix of apartments. Most homes are older with
a lot of rentals.
Softball team: Like El Capitan, up and down but usually down.
Monte Vista High School
Location: eastern Spring Valley.
Status: open campus.
Athletic facilities: poor for the most part. Some youth activities.
Area: Middle class and some upper class. Most of Mount Helix uppety-ups attend
Monte Vista. Few apartments.
Softball team: poor. Talk to the coach, she has no excuse except for the fact
that she played at San Diego State.
Mount Miguel High School
Location: western Spring Valley.
Status: completely fenced.
Athletic facilities: horrible.
Area: middle class but highest in minorities. Ineligibility rates for athletic
competition sometimes reaches as high as 80 percent and more.
Softball team: Hit-and-miss. This year bad. Other years excellent. Probably
over the last 25 years has been the most successful program in East County,
largely due to excellent coaching/counseling.
Santana High School
Location: eastern Santee.
Status: completely fenced.
Athletic facilities: OK. Softball field sucks.
Area: Middle class. Little apartment activity. Much youth and adult league
activity. This is a weird school, shouldn't be an area you would feel insecure
about but you feel like you need to pack some heat sometimes to protect
yourself.
Softball team: Pretty good, one of the better ones.
Valhalla High School
Location: southern El Cajon Valley.
Status: this is the unique school of the district. The school is sealed ala the
school in Colorado. But the athletic facilities are...
Athletic facilities: Good enough. Open.
Area: Upper-middle class. However, youth activities seem to be minimal, which
is kind of surprising.
Softball team: disappointing and underachieving. Over the last 25 years
probably the second-worst of East County.
West Hills High School
Location: western Santee.
Status: open campus.
Athletic facilities: excellent. Huge youth baseball complex. Football field
horrid. Softball is so-so.
Area: Middle class.
Softball team: usually competitive when a pitcher and catcher are present.
Which of these schools do you think would be most susceptible to an event like
that of Columbine?
Vince
colo...@my-dejanews.com
Amber Burgess was not at school - she was attending her grandmother's funeral
at the time of the rampage.
colo...@my-dejanews.com
colo...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7fl16u$dj8$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> colo...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > In article <19990421101718...@ng-fi1.aol.com>,
> > dgr...@aol.com (DGruper) wrote:
> > > >Kind of surreal discussion.
> > >
> > > Kind of makes all this stuff we talk and argue over on rss totally mute
and
> > > unimportant, doesn't it?
> > > One can't be human and not feel for the kids, parents and faculty in
> > Colorado.
> > > It's a damned shame that it takes something like this to wake people up.
> > > Our personal thoughts and prayers to those that have suffered. Godspeed
to
> > all
> > > of them.
> > >
> > > Later
> > > Dave
> > > DGruper
> > >
> >
> > critically wounded (it's unknown as yet whether or not he survived) is the
> > Columbine (Amber Burgess) is on the Junior National team. Her status is
also
> > unknown at this time.
> >
> > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
> >
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It was reported in today's paper that Coach Sanders died very much a hero.
He happened to be outside the cafeteria and saw the terrorists approaching.
He immediately ran inside, jumped on a table, and shouted a warning along
with telling everyone to get out immediately. This action virtually cleared
the cafeteria (which was full of students at the time) and is credited with
saving hundreds of lives since it was nearly empty when the maniacs arrived
throwing bombs and firing off rounds in every direction. Coach Sanders then
proceeded to direct fleeing students away from the approaching gunmen. As he
was moving kids down a hallway, one of the gunmen came around the corner and
shot him in both shoulders. He staggered into a classroom and collapsed.
Another teacher and several students came to his aid, even going so far as to
put a handwritten note in the window saying "1 bleeding to death". A SWAT
team was able to get to them after a couple of hours, but Coach Sanders died
in the arms of a policeman. He was only 47. He leaves behind his wife and
four daughters, as well as hundreds of girls' basketball and softball players
whose lives he touched over the years. Amber Burgess was quoted regarding
the strong impact Coach Davis had had on her athletic career. His last words
were reported to be "tell my girls I love them".
JEDNAGL
>Australia were they ban guns, but I doubt you would make their national team
>either.
>
> captcoyote
What better example than the above quote of how the love of guns will turn a
(seemingly) thoughtful person into a defensive and abusive one. What does that
shot about the national team have to do with anything?
Jon
JEDNAGL
>they
>created the second amendment giving us the right to own firearms. Seemed to
>have
>worked very well looking at the state of affairs (ours is confined to the
>white
>house)in the USA and compared to Canada with your .65 on a dollar,wonderful
>Medical (National health Insurance) were care is rationed out,your wonderful
>crime rate in cities like Toronto (same as any city its size in North
>America)
>and last but not least even all your hockey teams are leaving Canada the
>birthplace of Hockey for greener pastures in the USA. I sure don't see many
>people running from the USA to Canada since the Viet Nam War ended. So before
>you throw stones at a society you should take care of your own first. AND no
>you
>can't migrate to the USA.
>
> captcoyote
need i say more? i should know that everything good about this country, which
is the greatest on earth, has to do with the right to bear arms. maybe we
should be required to all carry, then any time a shootout breaks out we can all
"protect" ourselves. in case you did not get it, that last comment was
sarcastic. no sarcasm regarding the greatest nation though. the only way to
maintain that status is to change as dictated by circumstances in the nation
and quit falling back on a document over 200 yrs old. many other advances have
been made that the forefathers could never envision and surely would never
approve of. turn the page.
Jon
JEDNAGL
>Jones?
it was a piece on nbc dateline.
Jon
Pitchrsdad
>Which of these schools do you think would be most susceptible to an event
>like
>that of Columbine?
>
>Vince
I don't know, but after reading your bizzare responses over the last few
months, I know who is most likely to commit the next one.
Attention San Diego retailers...do not sell this man a trenchcoat!!
Parent
It's not the gun but the person with his finger on the trigger who's heart/soul
has been left empty/neglected for years. You can bet these children cried out
in some way to no avail, they were not taken seriously. We live in a society
with technically advanced communication devices but we do not communicate.
Parents run off to their jobs and believe that providing STUFF for their
children is all that matters. Hiller, to answer your question about which
school would be most likely to have a tragedy like this occur. How many belive
the most impoverished school is the answer? Truth is that most of these
occurances have happened in mostly white mostly middle class areas albiet rural
where hunting is a rite of passage for most boys. Parents nourish your
children's hearts with love, invade their privacy, be nosey (why do you wear a
black trenchcoat and fatigues?) ask questions (Do you know what a swatstika(sp?)
represents), show them hope for the future, praise them for their positive
behavior but most of all just listen without interrupting. If they won't talk to
you get outside help, because it could happen to you!
A Parent
captcoyote
It sure didn't hurt the country with the right to bear arms.
captcoyote
captcoyote
Yes and you probably belive everything Clinton tells you to.
captcoyote
captcoyote
>
>>And we all know that you will never be president, if you like you can move to
>>Australia were they ban guns, but I doubt you would make their national team
>>either.
>>
>> captcoyote
>
>What better example than the above quote of how the love of guns will turn a
>(seemingly) thoughtful person into a defensive and abusive one. What does that
>shot about the national team have to do with anything?
>
>Jon
About as much as gun control has to do with a softball newsgroup!
captcoyote
ALAN1145
Not a bad idea is it?
Vic Mangeney
chif Timmony is in the process of investigating who is responsible for
the lies. many robberies of cars, etc. were classified as being lost.
things like that.
did make th numbers look good.
GARY L KIRKBRIDE
enter school? Why not provide a DNA sample, too.
GARY L KIRKBRIDE
What in Canada would have stopped this tragedy? It wouldn't be the gun laws,
shotguns are legal in Canada. It wouldn't have any thing to do with the pipe
bombs, they sell pipe in Canada and anyone can make blackpowder for the
explosive. I'm afraid it's much more complicated than gun control.
GARY L KIRKBRIDE
will be saying "if this law saves just one life it will be worth it". But we
are lying to ourselves when we say that. If we reduced speed limits to 10
mph or spent 10's of thousands of more dollars per vehicle for safety
improvements on cars, we could save thousands of lives per year. But the
truth is we are willing to trade lives for freedom, we are willing to drive
70 mph and we are willing to allow our citizens to buy guns for the reasons
they choose, even if it both things do cost us lives every year.
FBSBGUY
In article <7fo2mn$170u$1...@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>, "GARY says...
slee...@my-dejanews.com
this response by vince was bizzare enough in its own right !!
what the heck was the point ? columbine can happen anywhere as evidenced
by it and the other school-shootings around the country.
sleeper
slee...@my-dejanews.com
dgr...@aol.com (DGruper) wrote:
> >Kind of surreal discussion.
>
> Kind of makes all this stuff we talk and argue over on rss totally mute and
> unimportant, doesn't it?
<< clip >>
not really. not when we talk about helping kids become better players, better
teammates, better people. not when we talk about competition and doing your
best and giving a 100% and a little more. not when we encourage parents to
get out and throw the ball around with their kid because that is the best way
to get better at catching and throwing. (and a great way to get to know
your kid better.) not when kids see _their_ fans recognize and applaud a
good play by the _other_ team.
those are all things that we try to show and teach to the young ladies on
our team. that you don't have to crush the other team to prove you were the
better team that day, that game. to know that when we stub our toes and a
better teams spanks us that we still held our own and that every girl and
every coach gave her best effort and that no one quit.
don't tell me that everything we talk about here is "mute and unimportant".
maybe we just ought to talk about it more often.
[ and figure out what those baseball coaches are doing to our sons... :-| ]
sleeper ( whose son's baseball team has lost first 2 games--combined
score of 41-0. tell me _that_ is making for well-adjusted
young men )
> Dave
Que9996
she was away attending her grandmother's funeral. From yesterdays paper:
Burgess' who was clearly shaken told her softball coach (Hall) she would have
normally been in that cafeteria at the time of the shooting.
Dave
>> A senior at
>>>Columbine (Amber Burgess) is on the Junior National team. Her status is
>>also
>>>unknown at this time.
>
UNLV SB 21
>enter school? Why not provide a DNA sample, too.
LOL, a DNA sample would be good too! You could make it easier to find
criminals, rapeists, etc. Good Idea Gary!
One reason: To identify my daughter if she were to be taken. There are many
people that are never identified because there is no record of who they are.
Also, fingerprints are left on everything. That could maybe lead to a child or
anything. If my daughter were to be taken and they had her fingerprints, they
could find them on anything she touches. Now, they would have no clue.
Another: for crime reasons. How many people murder people and get away with it
because there are no records on file. How many people with no criminal records
murder people and get away with it? This would help. You gotta stop violence
somehow and this might help a little bit. Any little bit helps.
UNLV SB 21
>while
>she was away attending her grandmother's funeral. From yesterdays paper:
>Burgess' who was clearly shaken told her softball coach (Hall) she would have
>normally been in that cafeteria at the time of the shooting.
WOW, don't things like this make you think?? She was at her grandmother's
funeral which isn't good yet it may have saved her life!! Scary!!
UNLV SB 21
true, but it is great to talk about other things sometimes!! We all need at
least 1 day off of softball! :)
YDUJ YAK
YDUJ YAK
>least 1 day off of softball! :)
Sorry, forgot to quote...
I repeat: What a "day off"........ =o(
Wjb3581
<<And we all know that you will never be president, if you like you can move to
Australia were they ban guns, but I doubt you would make their national team
either.>>
I sometimes don't agree with Amy, but capt. that was a cheap shot and uncalled
for. And as a side note, since Australia banned guns 18 months ago and forced
all law abiding citizens to turn theirs in, violent crime, including homicides
by firearms, has increased. I guess now only the outlaws have guns.
Wjb3581
<<f my daughter were to be taken and they had her fingerprints, they
could find them on anything she touches. Now, they would have no clue.>>
In most areas, there are already agencies with which you can register your
children's fingerprints to aid in identification. I support this as a
voluntary function, and if my children were younger would have taken advantage
of it. I don't, however, think it should be a law forcing everyone to do it.
Rebels16U
>>(seemingly) thoughtful person into a defensive and abusive one. What does
>that
>>shot about the national team have to do with anything?
>>
>>Jon
LOL, thanks Jon. I don't need his support. Just another example of haters in
the world.
>
> About as much as gun control has to do with a softball newsgroup!
Also, I didn't bring up that point. I just agreed with it!
Rebels16U
>Australia were they ban guns, but I doubt you would make their national team
>either.
LOL, that is pretty funny. I doubt that you would make it either, considering
you have never played the sport but thanks for your support! I don't recall
trying out for the US National, Olympic team but I do have one thing in common
with Australia, we were the only ones to beat them that year!! LOL
Rebels16U
>What a "day" off...... =o(
I TOTALLY AGREE!! I DIDN'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT!! I just meant we need a day off
of softball. The reason I said that was becuase a catcher on my travelteam had
a day off and she went to, of course, a softball game! I went to the snow with
my daughter and I told her we all need a day off sometimes!! Sorry about the
confusing smiley face!!
Rebels16U
LOL, but if he told me you were rude and inconsiderate I'd believe him.
Rebels16U
>uncalled
>for. And as a side note, since Australia banned guns 18 months ago and
>forced
>all law abiding citizens to turn theirs in, violent crime, including
>homicides
>by firearms, has increased. I guess now only the outlaws have guns
Karen, I also don't agree with you but I have heard a lot of good things about
you. We just have slightly different opinions on an issue. Thanks for your
support though. As far as his comment, it is just funny. I bet he doesn't have
an ounce of athletic ability in his body! I bet he hasn't even seen me play. He
is just a hater. Andy, make sure you keep him quiet this summer. You have a
really nice team and I hope it doesn't get spoiled!!
Wjb3581
<< I do have one thing in common
with Australia, we were the only ones to beat them that year!!>>
Game, match, and set to Amy.
Hiller SB
>what the heck was the point ? columbine can happen anywhere as evidenced
>by it and the other school-shootings around the country.
>
You accidentally stumbled across the point, you zombie. The whole point was
that "you never know," something I said to begin with when I started the
thread.
Your next project, zombie, is to interpret the following Bible passage:
"As I looked, a stormwind came from the North, a huge cloud with flashing fire,
from the midst of which something gleamed like electrum. Within it were figures
resembling four living creatures that looked like this: their form was human,
but each had four faces and four wings, and their legs went straight down; the
soles of their feet were round. They sparkled with a gleam like burnished
bronze. Their faces were like this: each of the four had the face of a man, but
on the right side was the face of a lion, and on the left side the face of an
ox, and finally each had the face of an eagle."
If you claim to understand the above passage, zombie, you might begin to
understand what happened in CO.
Vince
Vince
mrfo...@home.com
Oh Boy! Here comes the "Armagadon - Millenium Approaches" angle straight out
of Revelation. I don't buy that argument. As a teacher in elementary school
and high schools what I saw was the same thing happening now that happened
when we all were kids. But the difference now is how kids today deal with the
conflict. I'll bet a dollar to a donut these boys who did the shooting have
been picked on and taunted for something or other from the time the first
entered the school system. Then they looked around and took inventory on what
seemed like a sure- fire way to get revenge and picked the most extreme
example they would find.
Hey! Gangs blow people away all the time and we read it in the daily
newspaper. It's so commonplace it looks like an option to any kid with
revenge on his mind.
It's not about the turn of the century creeping up on us, nor is it about the
end of time. It's about an evolution of alternatives for exacting revenge
when you've been hurt whether that hurt is of your own making or not, whether
it is compounded by the tendency of some kids to agressively pick on others
until they've backed them into a corner or not.
I've been reading the studies prepared by the Southern Poverty Law Center on
school violence and one thing that is almost universally evident that the
perpetrator of the crimes reports is that name-calling is one of the things
that send kids over the edge. What can you say to that? Kids call each
other names every day. Adults do too.
But some names hurt more and in both the Arkansas and Kentucky school
shooting being called a "fag" immediately preceded the violence. I wonder if
that was the case in Colorado. Had it gotten to that point with these two
outcasts? Lots of kids suffer social alientation for many reasons. But what
you see with boys in particular is that when their manhood is maligned, it's
the last straw. It's when they fight. Call them chicken, coward, goofy,
weirdo - whatever - and they deal with it. Call them "fag" and that's the
ultimate humiliation. I wonder if that detail will arise out of this
tragedy.
It's a tactic Vince is using on me right now on his home page. But I'm an
adult and resolved to view it as a bizzare way for him to exact revenge
against me. For what, I don't know. That's the bizzare part. I'm a grownup
and I know mature people don't do what Vince does. But it still hurts even
though I'm openly gay. It's designed to malign my manhood, and in that regard
I know exactly the pain kids feel when someone does it to them. So I wonder
if this name-calling, expecially using words to demean a kids sense of his
own masculinity in these cases of violence in schools, I wonder if it was
trigger in this case in Colorado and will it be again in the next case.
Ray Foster
Wendy4413
their much loved and now deceased coach, Dave Sanders. They tell of a man who
loved them as though they were his own daughters. He was able to create a
family feeling of respect, concern, and growth. In contrast, I am reminded of
a recent comment from a 15 year old girl regarding her coach at a local high
school, "He demeans us each and every day, in many, many ways." I know that
coach and believe him to be trying to build a winning team through being strick
and tough. He is missing the point. Let's use Mr. Sanders' example with our
teams and remember, as important as winning is, the girls come first. And while
we are at it, we all need to model respect for each other by respecting the
coaches as well.
colo...@my-dejanews.com
Very well said - check out this story:
Dave Sanders
Coach, teacher hailed as hero
By Curtis L. Esquibel
Special to The Denver Post
April 23 - Coach and teacher Dave Sanders brought out the best in people.
"He knew how to motivate your and make you want to play for him,'' said
Susanne Miller, 19, a former Columbine High School athlete who now plays
college softball at Georgia Tech. "He always knew just the right things to
say.''
Sanders, 47, is being hailed as a hero for the effort he made to lead other
students to safety during Tuesday's shooting rampage. He never made it out of
the school building.
"Here's a man who has given to students for 20 years and his life was taken
by two kids who didn't know the meaning of giving,'' said Kerri Held, 20, a
former softball and basketball player at Columbine. "They just took.''
Held said Sanders "believed in me when I didn't believe in me. For any player,
he would do anything. He was intimidating enough to make you want to improve
but he didn't have the heart to yell at anyone.''
Like every coach, Sanders had his own way of conducting practices and
preparing his teams for games, former players said Thursday. His greatest
talent wasn't in teaching business courses or diagramming X's and O's. It was
relating to young people.
"He was concerned not just with players and students, but individually he
cared to know how things were going with your personal life and future,''
Held said.
Miller first heard the news of Sanders' being shot while she was in her
Atlanta dorm room. She returned home to Littleton as soon as she could.
"He always wanted us to come back and see him,'' Miller said. "During winter
break, I came home and watched him coach a basketball practice just because I
wanted to see him coach.''
For 25 years, Sanders taught business courses and coached men's and women's
athletics at Columbine. Gerry Difford, Columbine's first principal, hired
Sanders in 1974. The school opened in 1973.
"He was just a kid from Nebraska back then,'' Sanders said. "He was always
willing to take anything on. He didn't try to be the head coach of things
necessarily, or be spectacular. He just loved to work with the kids.'
Copyright 1999 The Denver Post. All rights reserved. This material may not be
published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Wendy4413
protecting students by telling them to "get down" was the girls' basketball and
assistant softball coach? That was SOFTBALL. Pretty relevant, don't you think?
SB Bandits
>you have never played the sport but thanks for your support! I don't recall
>common
>with Australia, we were the only ones to beat them that year!! LOL
Amie,
Touche`
The perfect and most accurate response to that post!!!
Awesome Job!!!!
Kyle
Patpcc
> Parents nourish your
>children's hearts with love, invade their privacy, be nosey (why do you wear
>a
>black trenchcoat and fatigues?) ask questions
How about having rules? Saying NO? Setting curfews? I keep hearing about
"individual rights" when the question of dress codes, uniforms, choice of
friends, tattoos, body piercing, etc., is addressed. Last night on Nightline
(I think) with Ted Koppel, a parent said "Yes, as my child you do have rights.
While you are MY child in MY house you have the right to do what I say when I
say." Since when did we, as parents, give up the right to make the rules that
help our children grow up to become responsible, caring, contributing human
beings??
Just my thoughts - among millions of others I've had since this horrendous
tragedy occurred.
pat
Patpcc
>
I believe the original title of this thread is regarding the shooting deaths at
Columbine HS in Littleton, CO. Gun control conversation would be a natural
topic to come out of conversations about those shooting deaths since guns in
the control of the wrong people do and did kill people there. And since this
newsgroup is mainly parents/coaches who care about children the original topic
and those which evolve from that original topic are, in my humble opinion, a
natural topic.
pat
mrfo...@home.com
> "He was just a kid from Nebraska back then,'' Sanders said. "He was always
> willing to take anything on. He didn't try to be the head coach of things
> necessarily, or be spectacular. He just loved to work with the kids.'
>
Another example of the many that make this such a profound tragedy. God bless
this innocent man's family and all the other families and friends that are
stricken with this enormous loss.
And I swear. The next idiot who comes along and trivalizes the grief softball
folks feel over this by saying, "I thought this was a softball forum," well,
they ought to be ashamed of themselves. Just be quiet if you don't understand
grief.
Player
says...
Rules? How about for starters, no bomb assembly in the garage. These boys were
beyond rules they needed intervention. What is telling is that they were making
bombs in the garage and no one noticed. I hope for us all they are not a silent
majority. It is truly scary!!!
captcoyote
says...
>
>Capt. Coyote says:
><<And we all know that you will never be president, if you like you can move to
>Australia were they ban guns, but I doubt you would make their national team
>either.>>
>
>for. And as a side note, since Australia banned guns 18 months ago and forced
>all law abiding citizens to turn theirs in, violent crime, including homicides
There you go couldn't agree more and it was ment to be a shot just like the one
she took about GUN CONTROL on a softball news group. If someone wants to try and
blame guns everytime someone gets shot, then I will respond and if you don't
like it so be it.I don't try and ban the internet just because they teach you
how to make bombs on it! If someone wants to bring their own political agenda to
this softball newsgroup and I don't agree then I'll respond every time, and when
it comes to Gun Control I'll respond hard every time.
captcoyote
captcoyote
says...
>
>>And we all know that you will never be president, if you like you can move to
>>Australia were they ban guns, but I doubt you would make their national team
>>either.
>
>you have never played the sport but thanks for your support! I don't recall
>trying out for the US National, Olympic team but I do have one thing in common
>with Australia, we were the only ones to beat them that year!! LOL
>
>
captcoyote
captcoyote
says...
>
>> Yes and you probably belive everything Clinton tells you to.
>
>LOL, but if he told me you were rude and inconsiderate I'd believe him.
When it comes to Gun control you can make book on it and be a winner every time.
captcoyote
captcoyote
says...
>
>>I sometimes don't agree with Amy, but capt. that was a cheap shot and
>>uncalled
>>for. And as a side note, since Australia banned guns 18 months ago and
>>forced
>>all law abiding citizens to turn theirs in, violent crime, including
>>homicides
>
>Karen, I also don't agree with you but I have heard a lot of good things about
>you. We just have slightly different opinions on an issue. Thanks for your
>support though. As far as his comment, it is just funny. I bet he doesn't have
>an ounce of athletic ability in his body! I bet he hasn't even seen me play. He
>is just a hater. Andy, make sure you keep him quiet this summer. You have a
>really nice team and I hope it doesn't get spoiled!!
Have seen you play and never said anything about your ability just that you
wouldn't make the Australia National team if you move there, and guess what I do
have athletic ability I can shoot all my guns with a great deal accuracy.
captcoyote
Andy Anderson
our home. Most people in Arizona own guns, most have been to NRA safety
courses. In my house the guns were in a locked cabinte and if Dad cuaght
us touching them without him around we were....well I dont know what
would have happened , because I just didnt want to find out.
Point being is, it styill falls on the parents to raise the children
right. It still falls on the parents to know who their kids hang out
with and what they are up to. Someone supplied either money or materials
to these boys to make bombs, someone gave them access to guns, someone
was not paying attention to who they hung out with, etc etc etc.
The parents are the ones who should be held accountable.
/JEDNAGL wrote:
> >When it comes to Gun control you can make book on it and be a winner
> every
> >time.
> >
> > captcoyote
>
> Having read on this ng that you have grandchildren, I hope that you
> keep your
> firearms secured and safely out of reach. We see accidental shootings
> of kids
> on the news at least weekly. If you must own, please do so
> responsibly.
>
> Jon
slee...@my-dejanews.com
hill...@aol.com (Hiller SB) wrote:
> In article <7foj2u$m09$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, slee...@my-dejanews.com
writes:
>
> >what the heck was the point ? columbine can happen anywhere as evidenced
> >by it and the other school-shootings around the country.
> >
>
> You accidentally stumbled across the point, you zombie. The whole point was
> that "you never know," something I said to begin with when I started the
> thread.
well, yes, you did say it just that succinctly in your original post.
but then you took the dangerous path of responding to your own post and
babbled on about nothing for 500-plus words. and that babble is what i
responded to and still would by asking "what is your point" ??
> Your next project, zombie, is to interpret the following Bible passage:
>
> "As I looked, a stormwind came from the North, a huge cloud with flashing
fire,
> from the midst of which something gleamed like electrum. Within it were
figures
> resembling four living creatures that looked like this: their form was human,
> but each had four faces and four wings, and their legs went straight down;
the
> soles of their feet were round. They sparkled with a gleam like burnished
> bronze. Their faces were like this: each of the four had the face of a man,
but
> on the right side was the face of a lion, and on the left side the face of an
> ox, and finally each had the face of an eagle."
>
> If you claim to understand the above passage, zombie, you might begin to
> understand what happened in CO.
rec.sport.softball, vince. take that discussion somewhere else.
sleeper "the zombie"
> Vince
Mrfsjc
http://cgi.pathfinder.com/people/daily/co_students1.html but you can only
access it from within America Online. Here's a kid saying exactly what the
statistics bear out; that kids, especially the boy athletes, had been taunting
these murderers by calling them "fags". I think it puts a whole new
perspective and why these tragedies occur.
Ray Foster (see partial story below)
"It Was Like a Dream"
First-person stories from the students and parents of Littleton
1 | 2 | 3
Dozens of Columbine HS students were instructed by SWAT teams to exit the
building with their hands on their heads. A team of PEOPLE Magazine reporters
was on the scene in Littleton, Colo., on Tuesday. They spoke with dozens of
students and their parents. Here are excerpts from their reports:
Swim team member Billy Halifen, a sophomore, had just finished eating a peanut
butter sandwich in the cafeteria -- or Commons, as it is known -- when janitors
yelled for everybody to get down. "I pretty much immediately knew it was the
trenchcoat mafia. . . They're a little strange and scary actually. They just
seem so reclus[ive] and so Satanic, you just kind of think that. They always
wore black and some kind of combat boots. No one else is really that
disgruntled. They were kind of racist and we think they were aiming toward
jocks because we think that two of them might have been gay and were made fun
of. But they were aiming at anybody they could."
JEDNAGL
>have athletic ability I can shoot all my guns with a great deal accuracy.
>
> captcoyote
Next you'll brag about your synchronized swimming.
Jon
JEDNAGL
>one
>she took about GUN CONTROL on a softball news group. If someone wants to try
>and
>blame guns everytime someone gets shot, then I will respond and if you don't
>like it so be it.I don't try and ban the internet just because they teach you
>how to make bombs on it! If someone wants to bring their own political agenda
>to
>this softball newsgroup and I don't agree then I'll respond every time, and
>when
>it comes to Gun Control I'll respond hard every time.
>
> captcoyote
>
Do you feel insulting others eloquently states your position on gun control? I
do.
Jon
JEDNAGL
UNLV SB 21
>
> captcoyote
If you did play it, you didn't learn much...like respecting everybody that
plays softball, no matter what their ability is! Maybe I am not the best player
in the world but I was one of the best in my prime. There are only 20 Olympic
softball players in the USA so that seems like a hard theing to achieve for
anyone! That shouldn't matter. You should respect EVERYONE that plays softball
because we are all playing for one reason; we love the sport! Whether a player
is Bobby Sox, Division one or Olympic team caliber, they deserve respect. Get
some class.
UNLV SB 21
>this softball newsgroup and I don't agree then I'll respond every time, and
>when
>it comes to Gun Control I'll respond hard every time.
I don't have a problem with you responding because I don't like guns like you
obviuosly do but your comments had nothing to do with guns. You were just being
a jerk and you know it. Guess I touched a sensitive spot but that doesn't have
anything to do with my ability as a player.
UNLV SB 21
>do
>have athletic ability I can shoot all my guns with a great deal accuracy.
LOL, well you said I wouldn't make it and that was an assessment of my ability.
You don't know if I would've or not. I know I wouldn't but as the game of
softball goes, you just never know. LMAO, you are what my kids would call TC!!
LOL, Too Cool.
Ranger
that did the deed. They could have done something just like the Oklahoma
bombing with tons of cow shit. Have you banned cow shit up there too? I
get sick of people blaming guns for things that people have caused. Thank
god you live up north! And our condolences to the family and friends
Columbine HS too.
debra loughead <loug...@bc.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:371E32E9...@bc.sympatico.ca...
<snip>
> If there were no guns to steal you would live in a much safer place. We
up north
<snip>
Ranger
of the first in the nation to issue concealed firearms permits to any decent
citizen. The violent crime rate has been dramatically reduced since then
and several states in the country have followed suit. Thier crime rates
have started falling dramatically too. How do you explain that. Criminals
prey on defenseless people.
The faculty and students of Colorado that were just slaughtered fell into
this category. I just watched an interview of the swat personell that
entered the building first. They believe the assailants comitted suicide as
soon as they knew the 1st swat team arrived. These kids were "SICK
Cowards". It wasn't the guns that did anything wrong.
JEDNAGL <jed...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990421174900...@ng09.aol.com...
> > If there were no guns to steal you would live in a much safer place.
We up
> north send our condolences but your believe that every citizen has the
right to
> bare arms
> as in your haloed Constitution leaves us shaking our heads!!!Such a
wonderful
> and bright nation with such a wierd fixtation on fire arms???? To the
people in
> Colorado
> our utmost SYMPATHY from your Canadian Softball/Fastpitch friends!!!!
>
> I share your sentiments regarding firearms. The NRA has convinced
otherwise
> intelligent adults that there is no freedom without handguns or automatic
> weapons. Here in FL, our governor wants to build fences or barricades on
every
> overpass as a result of the recent tragedy where more of our
disenfranchised
> youth dropped a brick on a motorist and killed her. He is trying to get a
> similar barricade built on the sunshine skyway bridge due to several
jumpers.
> But he did not mention anything about guns when other teenage losers were
> taking target practice on passing motorists. I can't even begin to
explain
> this nations SICK fascination with guns. Slavery was an institution that
was
> gotten rid of, why not guns? Would our lives be worse without them? Bet
the
> bunch of cowards who did this yesterday would never have the guts to
attack
> someone with their bare hands. I stand alone, the only gun control
advocate in
> the state of FL.
>
> Jon
Ranger
they get attacked verbally and are labled a gun wacko?
Guns have been around for centuries but it has been the last 10 years that
these crazies are giving the "gun community" a bad name. What has changed?
Can you tell me these people that dress like vampires and listen to satanic
music are respectable citizens in the community? I think we should go back
to the days of judging a book by it's cover because obviously what we do now
doesn't work.
Just because you are not educated with the shooting industry doesn't mean
that you have to be ignorant about it. It is very obvious that your level
of knowledge about it is what you hear on the network news. You should get
more education on the topic before you post on a public forum like this
regarding the subject.
Why don't you consider the root of the problem rather than attack people
that respect and enjoy shooting, hunting, and guns period!
JEDNAGL <jed...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990422111822...@ng38.aol.com...
> What better example than the above quote of how the love of guns will turn
a
> (seemingly) thoughtful person into a defensive and abusive one. What does
that
> shot about the national team have to do with anything?
>
> Jon
Ranger
around after being caught red handed (ie: O.J. SIMPSON; gang bangers under
the age of 18, etc...), time after time. Sounds better than penalizing
decent citizens of this country using stupid laws like Dianne Feinstein of
Ca. wants to institute. That is all we need is more laws. Just start
enforcing the ones we have and the problems will diminish.
UNLV SB 21 <unlv...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990422224607...@ng-fy1.aol.com...
> >Could you explain the reason to have students provide fingerprints when
they
> >enter school? Why not provide a DNA sample, too.
>
> LOL, a DNA sample would be good too! You could make it easier to find
> criminals, rapeists, etc. Good Idea Gary!
> One reason: To identify my daughter if she were to be taken. There are
many
> people that are never identified because there is no record of who they
are.
> Also, fingerprints are left on everything. That could maybe lead to a
child or
> anything. If my daughter were to be taken and they had her fingerprints,
they
> could find them on anything she touches. Now, they would have no clue.
> Another: for crime reasons. How many people murder people and get away
with it
> because there are no records on file. How many people with no criminal
records
> murder people and get away with it? This would help. You gotta stop
violence
> somehow and this might help a little bit. Any little bit helps.
>
Ranger
JEDNAGL <jed...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990422112902...@ng38.aol.com...
> >Whats the name of the magazine from Philadelphia? Rolling Stone or Mother
> >Jones?
>
> it was a piece on nbc dateline.
>
> Jon
Ranger
damn good shot. That is what I call gun control.
JEDNAGL <jed...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990423204602...@ng10.aol.com...
Ranger
typical. Attack and start name calling.
Rebels16U <rebe...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990423010738...@ng153.aol.com...
Ranger
UNLV SB 21 <unlv...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990422002847...@ng-fc1.aol.com...
> >f there were no guns to steal you would live in a much safer place. We
up
> >north
> >
> >send our condolences but your believe that every citizen has the right to
> >bare arms
> >
> >as in your haloed Constitution leaves us shaking our heads!!!Such a
wonderful
> >and
> >
> >bright nation with such a wierd fixtation on fire arms????
>
> I agree!
Ranger
you want to ban that too?
Funny how everyone wants to ban guns. I think the media's freedom of speech
should be verified true before they can report incidents or statistics or
scandals. How many lives have been ruined by freedom of speech. I think we
should ban that too. l guess this forum should be banned too.
JEDNAGL <jed...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990422112634...@ng38.aol.com...
> >Maybe our forefathers didn't want to be under the crown so in their
wisdom
> >they
> >created the second amendment giving us the right to own firearms. Seemed
to
> >have
> >worked very well looking at the state of affairs (ours is confined to the
> >white
> >house)in the USA and compared to Canada with your .65 on a
dollar,wonderful
> >Medical (National health Insurance) were care is rationed out,your
wonderful
> >crime rate in cities like Toronto (same as any city its size in North
> >America)
> >and last but not least even all your hockey teams are leaving Canada the
> >birthplace of Hockey for greener pastures in the USA. I sure don't see
many
> >people running from the USA to Canada since the Viet Nam War ended. So
before
> >you throw stones at a society you should take care of your own first. AND
no
> >you
> >can't migrate to the USA.
> >
> > captcoyote
>
> need i say more? i should know that everything good about this country,
which
> is the greatest on earth, has to do with the right to bear arms. maybe we
> should be required to all carry, then any time a shootout breaks out we
can all
> "protect" ourselves. in case you did not get it, that last comment was
> sarcastic. no sarcasm regarding the greatest nation though. the only way
to
> maintain that status is to change as dictated by circumstances in the
nation
> and quit falling back on a document over 200 yrs old. many other advances
have
> been made that the forefathers could never envision and surely would never
> approve of. turn the page.
>
> Jon
Ranger
this country. Where are you from?
JEDNAGL <jed...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990422112634...@ng38.aol.com...
<snip>
debra loughead
Ranger wrote:
> His grandaughter in college started shooting at the age of 5 and she is a
> damn good shot. That is what I call gun control.
>
> JEDNAGL <jed...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:19990423204602...@ng10.aol.com...
> > >When it comes to Gun control you can make book on it and be a winner
> every
> > >time.
> > >
> > > captcoyote
> >
> > Having read on this ng that you have grandchildren, I hope that you keep
> your
> > firearms secured and safely out of reach. We see accidental shootings of
> kids
> > on the news at least weekly. If you must own, please do so responsibly.
> >
> > Jon
Gee Whiz.....I thought the idiot prince and sargentwolf were wierd then along
comes stranger!!!!!!
Rex Roden
this horrible incident in Colorado. I am neither for or against the banning
of firearms, but I will remind you that people have been killing people for
centuries. Prior to the invent of firearms people killed people with spears
and swords, and before that with clubs and rocks so I wonder where we are
heading. Certainly in the next century we will talk of banning laser ray
guns or something similar. I guess my point is that people kill people, not
swords, rocks or guns and until we all understand this we are indeed doomed
to repeat our failures. Simply put...A ban on firearms would not have
changed the outcome of the tragedy in Colorado, these two kids were sick and
were bound and determined to kill whether with guns, bombs, knifes, or
rocks.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and friends of the victims of
Columbine.
Rex Roden-Hot Styx 18u
http://www.hotstyx.org/
JEDNAGL
>of knowledge about it is what you hear on the network news. You should get
>more education on the topic before
I suppose the appropriate education would come from the NRA? Maybe the weapons
industry? I imagine you feel education regarding the relationship between
smoking and cancer should come from the tobacco industry? Oooops, I keep
forgetting that "education" when it comes to an issue that people feel as
strongly about as this one means buying into the dogma of the group. I am
from FL, don't get much more southern than that.
Several years I owned a handgun, an old style standard issue service revolver.
I disposed of it after it sat in the dresser drawer, unloaded, for about a
year. Shooting at cardboard did not excite me, and I realized that if this was
to be used for personal protection, it would have to be in my bedstand loaded
and unlocked. Weighing the possibility of an accidental shooting, my daughter
was then 5, against a shootout with home invaders, the odds dictated that the
gun goes. End of story.
As for education, will you deny that more family members and friends are shot
than criminals by non police gun owners?
Jon
JEDNAGL
please visit www.iamparanoid.com, there may be some help there for you. Or you
may just realize that everybody is TRULY against you.
lol.
Jon
JEDNAGL
Have you never heard of a constitutional amendment? This is change. You can
read anything you want into the post regarding the constitution, the point is
that change is the only way a society can progress. A society that will not
change will stagnate. The Constitution was not intended to be taken literally
and enforced as law in perpetuity. It was written by THINKING men who were
creating change at the time. The right to bear arms was written as a reaction
to the British who prohibited ownership at the time regardless of the purpose,
and was used to maintain their rule by force. Are you saying similar
circumstances exist today? Or have things changed. I know change is difficult
for some to deal with, but the only constant in life is everything changes.
Jon
ERW27
You are a THINKING man, I enjoyed reading this post.
Ed Watley
rec.sport.softball
GARY L KIRKBRIDE
>
>As for education, will you deny that more family members and friends are
shot
>than criminals by non police gun owners?
>
>Jon
The fallacy here is a gun doesn't have to shot a criminal in order to safely
protect your family. The mere brandishing of a pistol or racking of a
shotgun has convinced many a criminal to scurry to safer territory.
Larry
>.. and guess what I do
> have athletic ability I can shoot all my guns with a great deal accuracy.
With accuracy, yeah up in the AIR!
Hiller SB
<ANSWE...@prodigy.net> writes:
>The fallacy here is a gun doesn't have to shot a criminal in order to safely
>protect your family. The mere brandishing of a pistol or racking of a
>shotgun has convinced many a criminal to scurry to safer territory.
>
This is true. Most times all you have to do is show that you're brandishing a
weapon and someone trying to fuck you over will cower in fear, whether or not
either party is a fag.
I kind of wonder if the parents of these two kids, and all the parents of all
the other underage people associated with them, will be brought up on murder
charges. They should, in my opinion. Don't blame the entertainment industry on
this. Kids are parents' responsibility when we go to that deep a level of
involvement. Stuff like sports is superficial compared to what happened in CO.
Vince
Bart Munson
United States want to be just like you! Just like we suddenly felt that
Europe was the ideal when they laughed at us for holding Clinton
accountable for his immorality.
Bart
UNLV SB 21 <unlv...@aol.com> wrote in article
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debra loughead
You,re a gem Fart and right on par with idiot prince,sargentwolf and the strange er!!!
Vic Mangeney
>creating change at the time. The right to bear arms was written as a
reaction
>to the British who prohibited ownership at the time regardless of the
purpose,
>and was used to maintain their rule by force.
seems correct to me. maybe thats why an assalt weapon shoud be different
from a personal weapon.
but hey, how screwed up is the view of the constitution???
freedom of speech?? dont think that was put in to protect dumb ass
things, like is being protected today.
church and state separation???? the Writers, seeing what has happened
today, might put in an amendment stating that prayer in school must take
place on a daily basis, as long as it isnt dicated by the church of
england.
times change. just seems like every change of direction we take, takes
us farther away from normalcy.
JEDNAGL
>us farther away from normalcy.
>
Vic,
The problem is, how do we define normalcy in a nation of 260 million? Seems
more important that we seek common ground with those we differ with and learn
to be tolerant of those differences we don't care for but are basically
harmless. Unfortunately, we are almost always more incensed by differences
with others than we are galvanized by our commonalities.
Jon