I hear 19 dead, another score injured. Bodies have not been removed for fear that they are strapped with explosives.
Apparently the two suicidal kids who did the damage were targeting athletes and blacks.
Parents down the LF line at the baseball game I watched today here in San Diego knew that it could happen anywhere, any time. Kind of surreal discussion. Who do you trust?
Kind of makes all this stuff we talk and argue over on rss totally mute and unimportant, doesn't it? One can't be human and not feel for the kids, parents and faculty in Colorado. It's a damned shame that it takes something like this to wake people up. Our personal thoughts and prayers to those that have suffered. Godspeed to all of them.
In article <19990421101718.20559.00005...@ng-fi1.aol.com>, dgru...@aol.com (DGruper) wrote:
> >Kind of surreal discussion.
> Kind of makes all this stuff we talk and argue over on rss totally mute and > unimportant, doesn't it? > One can't be human and not feel for the kids, parents and faculty in Colorado. > It's a damned shame that it takes something like this to wake people up. > Our personal thoughts and prayers to those that have suffered. Godspeed to all > of them.
> Later > Dave > DGruper
Just to bring it all a little closer to home, the faculty member who was critically wounded (it's unknown as yet whether or not he survived) is the girls' basketball head coach and an assistant softball coach. A senior at Columbine (Amber Burgess) is on the Junior National team. Her status is also unknown at this time.
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coloco...@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In article <19990421101718.20559.00005...@ng-fi1.aol.com>, > dgru...@aol.com (DGruper) wrote: > > >Kind of surreal discussion.
> > Kind of makes all this stuff we talk and argue over on rss totally mute and > > unimportant, doesn't it? > > One can't be human and not feel for the kids, parents and faculty in > Colorado. > > It's a damned shame that it takes something like this to wake people up. > > Our personal thoughts and prayers to those that have suffered. Godspeed to > all > > of them.
> > Later > > Dave > > DGruper
> Just to bring it all a little closer to home, the faculty member who was > critically wounded (it's unknown as yet whether or not he survived) is the > girls' basketball head coach and an assistant softball coach. A senior at > Columbine (Amber Burgess) is on the Junior National team. Her status is also > unknown at this time.
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It was just concirmed that Coach Davis was killed yesterday.
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This is indeed a tragic event. I continue to wonder what the parents of today's youth are doing with respect to being involved with their kids, and who they hang out with. You cannot tell me that the parents of the killers did not know these kids had swatikas tatoos on their bodies and where not into trouble. One ony has to walk around the various Malls and schools and see the youths who are most likely at risk. I am sure the teachers of the school also know who is and who sint potential trouble but we have tied their hands so much with "protecting individual rights" that they are helpless to prevent this before it happens. It seems to me all of this is a result of having to have both parents working in todays world and thus no adult supervison for the kids while they are growing up. It is also a direct result of other of today's society where we think it is ok to lie (even if your are the President), ok to cheat on ones spouse, ok to ignore auhtority figures and choke the coaches. We are causing this not the actual ones who did the killing. It is a sorry state of affairs indeed.
Hiller SB wrote in message <19990421072223.03353.00000...@ngol07.aol.com>... >I hear 19 dead, another score injured. Bodies have not been removed for fear >that they are strapped with explosives.
>Apparently the two suicidal kids who did the damage were targeting athletes and >blacks.
>Parents down the LF line at the baseball game I watched today here in San Diego >knew that it could happen anywhere, any time. Kind of surreal discussion. Who >do you trust?
It's very sad with no real solution. Ban guns -they will steal them etc.. I for one think it should be mandatory that all public schools go to uniforms and if parents don't have the balls to enforce that there problem. This do-gooder world we live in where there is no prayer in schools and parents have no control of there children, and lets protect the bad guys [there so put upon] is making me sick. Why in the world would any parent condone some of the outfits kids wear to school today. They have no authority or they don't care. Our wonderful moral President and this world is going to HELL in a handbasket!!!!!!! Sorry I just had to vent.
LynGor wrote: > It's very sad with no real solution. Ban guns -they will steal them etc.. I for > one think it should be mandatory that all public schools go to uniforms and if > parents don't have the balls to enforce that there problem. This do-gooder > world we live in where there is no prayer in schools and parents have no > control of there children, and lets protect the bad guys [there so put upon] is > making me sick. Why in the world would any parent condone some of the outfits > kids wear to school today. They have no authority or they don't care. Our > wonderful moral President and this world is going to HELL in a > handbasket!!!!!!! Sorry I just had to vent.
If there were no guns to steal you would live in a much safer place. We up north
send our condolences but your believe that every citizen has the right to bare arms
as in your haloed Constitution leaves us shaking our heads!!!Such a wonderful and
bright nation with such a wierd fixtation on fire arms???? To the people in Colorado
our utmost SYMPATHY from your Canadian Softball/Fastpitch friends!!!!
I'm not sure there is a simple answer to this insanity, but I can guarantee everyone, it all starts at home with the parents. Something was definitely wrong there. God help the kids at Littleton HS. I pray they can overcome this terrible rape upon their lives.
> If there were no guns to steal you would live in a much safer place. We up
north send our condolences but your believe that every citizen has the right to bare arms as in your haloed Constitution leaves us shaking our heads!!!Such a wonderful and bright nation with such a wierd fixtation on fire arms???? To the people in Colorado our utmost SYMPATHY from your Canadian Softball/Fastpitch friends!!!!
I share your sentiments regarding firearms. The NRA has convinced otherwise intelligent adults that there is no freedom without handguns or automatic weapons. Here in FL, our governor wants to build fences or barricades on every overpass as a result of the recent tragedy where more of our disenfranchised youth dropped a brick on a motorist and killed her. He is trying to get a similar barricade built on the sunshine skyway bridge due to several jumpers. But he did not mention anything about guns when other teenage losers were taking target practice on passing motorists. I can't even begin to explain this nations SICK fascination with guns. Slavery was an institution that was gotten rid of, why not guns? Would our lives be worse without them? Bet the bunch of cowards who did this yesterday would never have the guts to attack someone with their bare hands. I stand alone, the only gun control advocate in the state of FL.
>> If there were no guns to steal you would live in a much safer place. We up >north send our condolences but your believe that every citizen has the right to >bare arms >as in your haloed Constitution leaves us shaking our heads!!!Such a wonderful >and bright nation with such a wierd fixtation on fire arms???? To the people in >Colorado >our utmost SYMPATHY from your Canadian Softball/Fastpitch friends!!!!
>I share your sentiments regarding firearms. The NRA has convinced otherwise >intelligent adults that there is no freedom without handguns or automatic >weapons. Here in FL, our governor wants to build fences or barricades on every >overpass as a result of the recent tragedy where more of our disenfranchised >youth dropped a brick on a motorist and killed her. He is trying to get a >similar barricade built on the sunshine skyway bridge due to several jumpers. >But he did not mention anything about guns when other teenage losers were >taking target practice on passing motorists. I can't even begin to explain >this nations SICK fascination with guns. Slavery was an institution that was >gotten rid of, why not guns? Would our lives be worse without them? Bet the >bunch of cowards who did this yesterday would never have the guts to attack >someone with their bare hands. I stand alone, the only gun control advocate in >the state of FL.
>Jon
Jeez and I read were crime was down in Florida since the concealed weapons law went into effect in Florida? Are they lying to us or is it just your own political agenda to outlaw guns except to the criminals who will always have them.
I grew up around guns in Arizona, and most people I know had them in their homes. That didnt make kids go to school and shoot everyone they didnt like. I am not sure gun control is the answer, although I do think some should be banned. I still think the answer lays with the way parents seem to turn a blid eye to what their children are doing and I still think it is a result of children having to little supervison in the home. JMHO
UNLV SB 21 wrote: > >I have no political agenda on this topic, only an opinion. I know > guns will > >never be banned; America loves guns more than life itself.
> Gosh, I agree with you SOOO much. If I were president I would > definitely try to > get rid of them. My mom and I were talking about the same thing today. > Another > thing I thought of...I think it should be MANDATORY that all kids have
> fingerprints as soon as they start kindergarten. This should be a law. > The > detectives in CO had to wait and get fingerprints from Driver's > licenses, etc. > They should make this a mandatory thing!! I know this is off the topic > but like > the others, I had to vent. It is SO ridiculous that things like this > happen!!
>>It's very sad with no real solution. Ban guns -they will steal them etc.. I for >>one think it should be mandatory that all public schools go to uniforms and if >> parents don't have the balls to enforce that there problem. This do-gooder >> world we live in where there is no prayer in schools and parents have no >>control of there children, and lets protect the bad guys [there so put upon] is >> making me sick. Why in the world would any parent condone some of the outfits >> kids wear to school today. They have no authority or they don't care. Our >> wonderful moral President and this world is going to HELL in a >> handbasket!!!!!!! Sorry I just had to vent.
>If there were no guns to steal you would live in a much safer place. We up >north
>send our condolences but your believe that every citizen has the right to bare >arms
>as in your haloed Constitution leaves us shaking our heads!!!Such a wonderful >and
>bright nation with such a wierd fixtation on fire arms???? To the people in >Colorado
>our utmost SYMPATHY from your Canadian Softball/Fastpitch friends!!!!
Maybe our forefathers didn't want to be under the crown so in their wisdom they created the second amendment giving us the right to own firearms. Seemed to have worked very well looking at the state of affairs (ours is confined to the white house)in the USA and compared to Canada with your .65 on a dollar,wonderful Medical (National health Insurance) were care is rationed out,your wonderful crime rate in cities like Toronto (same as any city its size in North America) and last but not least even all your hockey teams are leaving Canada the birthplace of Hockey for greener pastures in the USA. I sure don't see many people running from the USA to Canada since the Viet Nam War ended. So before you throw stones at a society you should take care of your own first. AND no you can't migrate to the USA.
>>Jeez and I read were crime was down in Florida since the concealed weapons >>law >>went into effect in Florida? Are
>Crime is down due to the method of reporting. It is done in much the same >manner that the scorekeepers daughter has a 0.00era or a .590 ba. One of the >news mags recently did an article on Philly where this type of lying with stats >was uncovered. Friends of mine in law enforcement have noticed no such >downturn. Just for the sake of argument, did you realize we have by far the >highest murder rates as well as gun ownership rate and are the only non third >world country with the death penalty? See any connections here?
>I have no political agenda on this topic, only an opinion. I know guns will >never be banned; America loves guns more than life itself.
>Jon
Whats the name of the magazine from Philadelphia? Rolling Stone or Mother Jones? People in Law enforcement never see less crime as they are on the front lines every day of there lifes. As far as the method of reporting, wasn't the same methods used when it was higher? I doubt Florida has the highest Gun ownership, maybe concealed weapons permits because not all states have such a law. Well at least you do admit that they will never be banned and this is very true.
In article <19990422003251.19593.00000...@ng-fc1.aol.com>, unlvs...@aol.com says...
>>I have no political agenda on this topic, only an opinion. I know guns will >>never be banned; America loves guns more than life itself.
>Gosh, I agree with you SOOO much. If I were president I would definitely try to >get rid of them. My mom and I were talking about the same thing today. Another >thing I thought of...I think it should be MANDATORY that all kids have >fingerprints as soon as they start kindergarten. This should be a law. The >detectives in CO had to wait and get fingerprints from Driver's licenses, etc. >They should make this a mandatory thing!! I know this is off the topic but like >the others, I had to vent. It is SO ridiculous that things like this happen!!
And we all know that you will never be president, if you like you can move to Australia were they ban guns, but I doubt you would make their national team either.
>Jeez and I read were crime was down in Florida since the concealed weapons >law >went into effect in Florida? Are
Crime is down due to the method of reporting. It is done in much the same manner that the scorekeepers daughter has a 0.00era or a .590 ba. One of the news mags recently did an article on Philly where this type of lying with stats was uncovered. Friends of mine in law enforcement have noticed no such downturn. Just for the sake of argument, did you realize we have by far the highest murder rates as well as gun ownership rate and are the only non third world country with the death penalty? See any connections here?
I have no political agenda on this topic, only an opinion. I know guns will never be banned; America loves guns more than life itself.
>I have no political agenda on this topic, only an opinion. I know guns will >never be banned; America loves guns more than life itself.
Gosh, I agree with you SOOO much. If I were president I would definitely try to get rid of them. My mom and I were talking about the same thing today. Another thing I thought of...I think it should be MANDATORY that all kids have fingerprints as soon as they start kindergarten. This should be a law. The detectives in CO had to wait and get fingerprints from Driver's licenses, etc. They should make this a mandatory thing!! I know this is off the topic but like the others, I had to vent. It is SO ridiculous that things like this happen!!
>Just to bring it all a little closer to home, the faculty member who was >critically wounded (it's unknown as yet whether or not he survived) is the >girls' basketball head coach and an assistant softball coach. A senior at >Columbine (Amber Burgess) is on the Junior National team. Her status is also >unknown at this time.
I know this probably won't matter but If you have any contact with these people, please tell them that everyone out here in CA is hoping and praying everything is ok!! I think that this is so ridiculous! These cowards should just take their own lives and leave all of these wonderful people alone!! The Rebel softball is sending warm wishes to all of the families there!!
> A senior at >>Columbine (Amber Burgess) is on the Junior National team. Her status is >also >>unknown at this time.
The discussion about banning fireams isn't, in my humble opinion, a worthy discussion in light of the tragedy that took place. It's not an issue that will......or should be decided because of this sensless murder spree.
The question I have.......has Amber Burgess fate been confirmed????? I pray that no news is good news.
I know that I will probably get a ton of slams and flames but this is my opinion. First its a tragedy in Litleton but, are the people in FL going to ban bricks because someone used one to commit a crime? I think not are they going to have a mentor to follow every person that has said "Im going to kill myself" I think not. If the United States put a total ban on firearms than only the thieves and thugs will have them. Also the founding fathers when they wrote our Constitution did not believe that the "the right to bear arms" and had no idea that semi automatic weapons would be around at the time. But to ban all "long guns" (hunting rifles) and all no semi automatic pistols is absurd. Not wanting to put the blame on anyone the 2 young men in Littleton and to have some mental problems and would have used a golf club to achieve their goals if guns were band. Again if your in Littleton please accept my prayers and sorrow over your communities tragedy.
JEDNAGL wrote: > > If there were no guns to steal you would live in a much safer place. We up > north send our condolences but your believe that every citizen has the right to > bare arms > as in your haloed Constitution leaves us shaking our heads!!!Such a wonderful > and bright nation with such a wierd fixtation on fire arms???? To the people in > Colorado > our utmost SYMPATHY from your Canadian Softball/Fastpitch friends!!!!
> I share your sentiments regarding firearms. The NRA has convinced otherwise > intelligent adults that there is no freedom without handguns or automatic > weapons. Here in FL, our governor wants to build fences or barricades on every > overpass as a result of the recent tragedy where more of our disenfranchised > youth dropped a brick on a motorist and killed her. He is trying to get a > similar barricade built on the sunshine skyway bridge due to several jumpers. > But he did not mention anything about guns when other teenage losers were > taking target practice on passing motorists. I can't even begin to explain > this nations SICK fascination with guns. Slavery was an institution that was > gotten rid of, why not guns? Would our lives be worse without them? Bet the > bunch of cowards who did this yesterday would never have the guts to attack > someone with their bare hands. I stand alone, the only gun control advocate in > the state of FL.
Grossmont Union High School District Eastern San Diego County, California
El Cajon Valley High School Location: western El Cajon Valley Status: entire campus surrounded by fence. Athletic facilities: fenced. Area: mostly apartments. High transient rate. "Trailer Trash" example. Softball team: terrible, year after year after year. Easily the worst of the district's 10 schools in this sport for the last 25 years.
El Capitan High School Location: Lakeside, northeastern most school, extremely rural, farm animals, rednecks, etc. Status: open campus Athletic facilities: open Area: some apartments, some middle-class single family homes. Softball team: Up and down but usually competitive.
Granite Hills High School Location: east El Cajon Valley. Status: open campus. Athletic facilities: open. Shared with many youth programs. Area: Upper-middle class. Few apartments. Softball team: Probably the best in East County this year. Parental involvement in off-season should take credit. Usually, however, middle-of-the-road.
Grossmont High School Location: eastern La Mesa, bordering with El Cajon Valley. Most players live in El Cajon. Status: open campus. Athletic facilities: completely fenced. Shared with many youth programs. Area: Upper-middle and middle class. Few apartments. Softball team: Competitive. Over the years one of the best programs in the area.
Helix High School Location: western La Mesa. Status: open campus. Athletic facilities: generally good. Most shared with youth programs. Area: Middle class but also a big mix of apartments. Most homes are older with a lot of rentals. Softball team: Like El Capitan, up and down but usually down.
Monte Vista High School Location: eastern Spring Valley. Status: open campus. Athletic facilities: poor for the most part. Some youth activities. Area: Middle class and some upper class. Most of Mount Helix uppety-ups attend Monte Vista. Few apartments. Softball team: poor. Talk to the coach, she has no excuse except for the fact that she played at San Diego State.
Mount Miguel High School Location: western Spring Valley. Status: completely fenced. Athletic facilities: horrible. Area: middle class but highest in minorities. Ineligibility rates for athletic competition sometimes reaches as high as 80 percent and more. Softball team: Hit-and-miss. This year bad. Other years excellent. Probably over the last 25 years has been the most successful program in East County, largely due to excellent coaching/counseling.
Santana High School Location: eastern Santee. Status: completely fenced. Athletic facilities: OK. Softball field sucks. Area: Middle class. Little apartment activity. Much youth and adult league activity. This is a weird school, shouldn't be an area you would feel insecure about but you feel like you need to pack some heat sometimes to protect yourself. Softball team: Pretty good, one of the better ones.
Valhalla High School Location: southern El Cajon Valley. Status: this is the unique school of the district. The school is sealed ala the school in Colorado. But the athletic facilities are... Athletic facilities: Good enough. Open. Area: Upper-middle class. However, youth activities seem to be minimal, which is kind of surprising. Softball team: disappointing and underachieving. Over the last 25 years probably the second-worst of East County.
West Hills High School Location: western Santee. Status: open campus. Athletic facilities: excellent. Huge youth baseball complex. Football field horrid. Softball is so-so. Area: Middle class. Softball team: usually competitive when a pitcher and catcher are present.
Which of these schools do you think would be most susceptible to an event like that of Columbine?
In article <19990422014531.19434.00000...@ng18.aol.com>, pob...@aol.com (Pobob1) wrote:
> > A senior at > >>Columbine (Amber Burgess) is on the Junior National team. Her status is > >also > >>unknown at this time.
> The discussion about banning fireams isn't, in my humble opinion, a worthy > discussion in light of the tragedy that took place. It's not an issue that > will......or should be decided because of this sensless murder spree.
> The question I have.......has Amber Burgess fate been confirmed????? I pray > that no news is good news.
> bob
Amber Burgess was not at school - she was attending her grandmother's funeral at the time of the rampage.
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coloco...@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In article <7fl16u$dj...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > coloco...@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > In article <19990421101718.20559.00005...@ng-fi1.aol.com>, > > dgru...@aol.com (DGruper) wrote: > > > >Kind of surreal discussion.
> > > Kind of makes all this stuff we talk and argue over on rss totally mute and > > > unimportant, doesn't it? > > > One can't be human and not feel for the kids, parents and faculty in > > Colorado. > > > It's a damned shame that it takes something like this to wake people up. > > > Our personal thoughts and prayers to those that have suffered. Godspeed to > > all > > > of them.
> > > Later > > > Dave > > > DGruper
> > Just to bring it all a little closer to home, the faculty member who was > > critically wounded (it's unknown as yet whether or not he survived) is the > > girls' basketball head coach and an assistant softball coach. A senior at > > Columbine (Amber Burgess) is on the Junior National team. Her status is also > > unknown at this time.
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> It was just confirmed that Coach Davis was killed yesterday.
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It was reported in today's paper that Coach Sanders died very much a hero. He happened to be outside the cafeteria and saw the terrorists approaching. He immediately ran inside, jumped on a table, and shouted a warning along with telling everyone to get out immediately. This action virtually cleared the cafeteria (which was full of students at the time) and is credited with saving hundreds of lives since it was nearly empty when the maniacs arrived throwing bombs and firing off rounds in every direction. Coach Sanders then proceeded to direct fleeing students away from the approaching gunmen. As he was moving kids down a hallway, one of the gunmen came around the corner and shot him in both shoulders. He staggered into a classroom and collapsed. Another teacher and several students came to his aid, even going so far as to put a handwritten note in the window saying "1 bleeding to death". A SWAT team was able to get to them after a couple of hours, but Coach Sanders died in the arms of a policeman. He was only 47. He leaves behind his wife and four daughters, as well as hundreds of girls' basketball and softball players whose lives he touched over the years. Amber Burgess was quoted regarding the strong impact Coach Davis had had on her athletic career. His last words were reported to be "tell my girls I love them".
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>And we all know that you will never be president, if you like you can move to >Australia were they ban guns, but I doubt you would make their national team >either.
> captcoyote
What better example than the above quote of how the love of guns will turn a (seemingly) thoughtful person into a defensive and abusive one. What does that shot about the national team have to do with anything?
