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Futbolmetrix
Jun 24, 2012, 8:59:03 PM6/24/12
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This one is going to be brief:
4-3
3-1
2-0
And you can also add:
0-0 but should have been a 3-0 Italian win (1978)
1-1 after the ref gifted the Germans an indirect free-kick inside the
box for alleged time wasting by Zenga (Euro 1988)
But the streak is coming to an end on Thursday. This Germany side is far
stronger than any of the previous versions, and Italy weaker. Plus, the
120 minutes versus England and two fewer days of rest make it an
impossible uphill battle.
D
4-3
3-1
2-0
And you can also add:
0-0 but should have been a 3-0 Italian win (1978)
1-1 after the ref gifted the Germans an indirect free-kick inside the
box for alleged time wasting by Zenga (Euro 1988)
But the streak is coming to an end on Thursday. This Germany side is far
stronger than any of the previous versions, and Italy weaker. Plus, the
120 minutes versus England and two fewer days of rest make it an
impossible uphill battle.
D
Forssberg
Jun 24, 2012, 9:47:37 PM6/24/12
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Sven Mischkies
Jun 24, 2012, 9:54:42 PM6/24/12
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aet, "The Game of the Century".
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO9ImZ8-YyM>
> 3-1
Still haven't seen it, was admitted hospital that day, and it was my
birthday to boot. Not the best one at that...
> 2-0
aet.
> And you can also add:
>
> 0-0 but should have been a 3-0 Italian win (1978)
Dunno about that, but it was a bad WC for Germany - it's down there with
the failures 62, 94 and 98 (quarterfinal exits each time, in 3 of the 4
the manager had to go).
> 1-1 after the ref gifted the Germans an indirect free-kick inside the
> box for alleged time wasting by Zenga (Euro 1988)
In the 55th minute? Cool, I like the ref (Keith Hackett). ;)
It wasn't timewasting, Zenga took too many steps with the ball in hand.
<http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/west-germany-1-italy-1-group-euro-
1988/>
<http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/02/08/2343055/top-5-ger
many-v-italy-clashes-of-all-time>
> But the streak is coming to an end on Thursday. This Germany side is far
> stronger than any of the previous versions, and Italy weaker. Plus, the
> 120 minutes versus England and two fewer days of rest make it an
> impossible uphill battle.
We'll see. I am optimistic as long as Gomez doesn't play. If we play
with him and are too static, then we won't score the 2 or more goals
we'll need to win. And if it goes to extra time we know who'll come out
on top. ;)
If I saw it correctly, then there were 6 competitive games between GER
and ITA (group stage 0-0 in 62), the WC final being the only one that
was not tied after 90 minutes - ITA went on to win the two knock out
games in extra time. So, it has always been close with the exception of
1982.
Ciao,
SM
--
http://www.gourockviews.co.uk
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it
does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
Douglas Adams
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO9ImZ8-YyM>
> 3-1
Still haven't seen it, was admitted hospital that day, and it was my
birthday to boot. Not the best one at that...
> 2-0
aet.
> And you can also add:
>
> 0-0 but should have been a 3-0 Italian win (1978)
the failures 62, 94 and 98 (quarterfinal exits each time, in 3 of the 4
the manager had to go).
> 1-1 after the ref gifted the Germans an indirect free-kick inside the
> box for alleged time wasting by Zenga (Euro 1988)
It wasn't timewasting, Zenga took too many steps with the ball in hand.
<http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/west-germany-1-italy-1-group-euro-
1988/>
<http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/02/08/2343055/top-5-ger
many-v-italy-clashes-of-all-time>
> But the streak is coming to an end on Thursday. This Germany side is far
> stronger than any of the previous versions, and Italy weaker. Plus, the
> 120 minutes versus England and two fewer days of rest make it an
> impossible uphill battle.
with him and are too static, then we won't score the 2 or more goals
we'll need to win. And if it goes to extra time we know who'll come out
on top. ;)
If I saw it correctly, then there were 6 competitive games between GER
and ITA (group stage 0-0 in 62), the WC final being the only one that
was not tied after 90 minutes - ITA went on to win the two knock out
games in extra time. So, it has always been close with the exception of
1982.
Ciao,
SM
--
http://www.gourockviews.co.uk
I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it
does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
Douglas Adams
Bruce D. Scott
Jun 24, 2012, 11:24:49 PM6/24/12
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Futbolmetrix (futbol...@yahoo.com) wrote:
: But the streak is coming to an end on Thursday. This Germany side is far
invoke it. All for TV: the right thing to do would be to have the
1/4-Finals as doubleheaders.
--
ciao,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
: But the streak is coming to an end on Thursday. This Germany side is far
: stronger than any of the previous versions, and Italy weaker. Plus, the
: 120 minutes versus England and two fewer days of rest make it an
: impossible uphill battle.
And that excuse will be a frankly legitimate gripe should you need to
: 120 minutes versus England and two fewer days of rest make it an
: impossible uphill battle.
invoke it. All for TV: the right thing to do would be to have the
1/4-Finals as doubleheaders.
--
ciao,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
Vanman
Jun 24, 2012, 11:44:41 PM6/24/12
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1962
0-0, never saw it. Complete game not available anywhere as far as I can see.
1970 "Game of the Century".
-the regulation time was actualy fairly dull with Italy (typically) going up
1-0 and then trying to shut up shop. The overtime was an unreal roller
coaster though. Some say the match drained the Italians for the final but I
doubt they could have competed with Pele and a loaded Brazil anyways.
1978
-yes, Italy were the better team in that 0-0 draw and really looked damn
good in the group of death up till then. The Germans were still competent
but nothing special in 78 (though they almost beat the Dutch in a great
game).
1982
-Italy were just a team of destiny by that point and running on all
cyclinders after KOing Argies, Brazil and a good Poland side (without Boniek
mind you). The Germans looked a bit tired (after their marathon comeback
against France).
1988
-never saw the 1-1 draw.
1990
-final really should have been W. Germany vs Italy, really wonder who would
have won (would have favoured the Germans personally, more ammunition up
front and the Italians didn't have a Brehme).
1996
-0-0 when Italy had to win (after blowing it against the Czechs). I remember
Sacchi continually changing the lineup for no real reason which hurt
cohesion.
2006
-tough grind em out semi-final with two very late Italian goals. Very even
for the most part.
The Germans have trouble with the Italian style in general, but this German
team is the best since 90' and this Italian team is relatively subpar to the
historical standard (in my eyes anyways) but perhaps not by much.
"Sven Mischkies" <hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote in message
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0-0, never saw it. Complete game not available anywhere as far as I can see.
1970 "Game of the Century".
-the regulation time was actualy fairly dull with Italy (typically) going up
1-0 and then trying to shut up shop. The overtime was an unreal roller
coaster though. Some say the match drained the Italians for the final but I
doubt they could have competed with Pele and a loaded Brazil anyways.
1978
-yes, Italy were the better team in that 0-0 draw and really looked damn
good in the group of death up till then. The Germans were still competent
but nothing special in 78 (though they almost beat the Dutch in a great
game).
1982
-Italy were just a team of destiny by that point and running on all
cyclinders after KOing Argies, Brazil and a good Poland side (without Boniek
mind you). The Germans looked a bit tired (after their marathon comeback
against France).
1988
-never saw the 1-1 draw.
1990
-final really should have been W. Germany vs Italy, really wonder who would
have won (would have favoured the Germans personally, more ammunition up
front and the Italians didn't have a Brehme).
1996
-0-0 when Italy had to win (after blowing it against the Czechs). I remember
Sacchi continually changing the lineup for no real reason which hurt
cohesion.
2006
-tough grind em out semi-final with two very late Italian goals. Very even
for the most part.
The Germans have trouble with the Italian style in general, but this German
team is the best since 90' and this Italian team is relatively subpar to the
historical standard (in my eyes anyways) but perhaps not by much.
"Sven Mischkies" <hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote in message
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Lord of War
Jun 25, 2012, 1:18:13 AM6/25/12
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but, all the big teams do and they beat Greece. A little overrated no?
I see Italy in the finals.
,
Quincy
Jun 25, 2012, 2:31:56 AM6/25/12
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was quite good, too, but the situation was vice versa. German thad the
Extra-time QF against England before.
Mark V.
Jun 25, 2012, 6:22:37 AM6/25/12
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On Jun 24, 8:59 pm, Futbolmetrix <futbolmet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Clément
Jun 25, 2012, 10:10:28 AM6/25/12
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"Futbolmetrix" escreveu:
<applauds>
=)
> But the streak is coming to an end on Thursday. This Germany side is far
> stronger than any of the previous versions, and Italy weaker. Plus, the
> 120 minutes versus England and two fewer days of rest make it an
> impossible uphill battle.
<stands up>
> stronger than any of the previous versions, and Italy weaker. Plus, the
> 120 minutes versus England and two fewer days of rest make it an
> impossible uphill battle.
<applauds>
=)
Binder Dundat
Jun 25, 2012, 12:47:38 PM6/25/12
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On Jun 24, 9:54 pm, hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven Mischkies)
wrote:
Why still no love for Super Mario???? What does he have to do to get
some love from the fans?
I am not sure the young Germans can beat the likes of Italy, let alone
Spain. Maybe in two or four years time, but not now. Even if England
had won, I still would not have been confident of them winning that
game. Not that they do not have some very good players, I just get
the feeling they would play to naively?
>
> If I saw it correctly, then there were 6 competitive games between GER
> and ITA (group stage 0-0 in 62), the WC final being the only one that
> was not tied after 90 minutes - ITA went on to win the two knock out
> games in extra time. So, it has always been close with the exception of
> 1982.
>
> Ciao,
> SM
> --http://www.gourockviews.co.uk
wrote:
some love from the fans?
I am not sure the young Germans can beat the likes of Italy, let alone
Spain. Maybe in two or four years time, but not now. Even if England
had won, I still would not have been confident of them winning that
game. Not that they do not have some very good players, I just get
the feeling they would play to naively?
>
> If I saw it correctly, then there were 6 competitive games between GER
> and ITA (group stage 0-0 in 62), the WC final being the only one that
> was not tied after 90 minutes - ITA went on to win the two knock out
> games in extra time. So, it has always been close with the exception of
> 1982.
>
> Ciao,
> SM
Raja The Great
Jun 26, 2012, 9:03:30 AM6/26/12
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On Jun 24, 7:59 pm, Futbolmetrix <futbolmet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This one is going to be brief:
>
> 4-3
> 3-1
> 2-0
>
> And you can also add:
>
> 0-0 but should have been a 3-0 Italian win (1978)
> 1-1 after the ref gifted the Germans an indirect free-kick inside the
> box for alleged time wasting by Zenga (Euro 1988)
>
> But the streak is coming to an end on Thursday. This Germany side is far
> stronger than any of the previous versions, and Italy weaker. Plus, the
Doesn't matter. Germany is scared of Italy. Italy is one of the most
> This one is going to be brief:
>
> 4-3
> 3-1
> 2-0
>
> And you can also add:
>
> 0-0 but should have been a 3-0 Italian win (1978)
> 1-1 after the ref gifted the Germans an indirect free-kick inside the
> box for alleged time wasting by Zenga (Euro 1988)
>
> But the streak is coming to an end on Thursday. This Germany side is far
> stronger than any of the previous versions, and Italy weaker. Plus, the
organized teams out there. And lets not forget they held Spain 1-1. No
team has been able to do this entire competition. I think this Italian
team is underrated. And if that clown Ballotelli had performed better
would have thrashed England and also most likely Spain.
> 120 minutes versus England and two fewer days of rest make it an
> impossible uphill battle.
>
> D
Raja The Great
Jun 26, 2012, 9:07:16 AM6/26/12
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it). And not miss sitters at 2 feet from the goal-line. And why does
Klose have to sit in the bench? He scores for Germany in every key
match.
>
> I am not sure the young Germans can beat the likes of Italy, let alone
> Spain. Maybe in two or four years time, but not now. Even if England
> had won, I still would not have been confident of them winning that
> game. Not that they do not have some very good players, I just get
> the feeling they would play to naively?
>
>
>
>
>
> > If I saw it correctly, then there were 6 competitive games between GER
> > and ITA (group stage 0-0 in 62), the WC final being the only one that
> > was not tied after 90 minutes - ITA went on to win the two knock out
> > games in extra time. So, it has always been close with the exception of
> > 1982.
>
> > Ciao,
> > SM
> > --http://www.gourockviews.co.uk
> > I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it
> > does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
> > Douglas Adams- Hide quoted text -
>
>
>
>
> > If I saw it correctly, then there were 6 competitive games between GER
> > and ITA (group stage 0-0 in 62), the WC final being the only one that
> > was not tied after 90 minutes - ITA went on to win the two knock out
> > games in extra time. So, it has always been close with the exception of
> > 1982.
>
> > Ciao,
> > SM
> > --http://www.gourockviews.co.uk
> > I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it
> > does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Raja The Great
Jun 26, 2012, 9:05:11 AM6/26/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
I agree. Germany are overrated (and have been under-performing) and
> - Show quoted text -
Italy underrated in this tournament.
Quincy
Jun 26, 2012, 10:50:48 AM6/26/12
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On 25 Jun., 02:59, Futbolmetrix <futbolmet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
team really is.
Let's face the truth: Every single German success has been bashed with
asterisks by bashers, like:
WC Australia 4-0: Football minnows do not count
WC England 4-1: Shit team with shit tactics and the Lampard goal not
given
WC Argentina 4-0: Shit coach with shit tactics.
EC Qualy: 30points out of 10 games: Turkey, Austria and Belgium shit
teams and football minnows.
EC Portugal 1-0: Shitty Ronaldo and lots of luck for Germany.
EC Netherlands 2-1: Shit team with shit tactics and shit attitute and
even more shittier defense.
EC Denmak 2-1: Shit team and football minnow. Furthermore very lucky
Germany because of the Bendtner-Should-Be-A-Penalty-Incident
EC Greece 4-2: One of the most shitty teams ever. Wacker Burghausen
would have done better against them.
So, perhaps if Germany beat Italy, we will finally know, but then
again the German bashers will say:
EC Italy 4-1: Italy shit team, only with an old slow man (Pirlo), 2
days less rest and extra time. Germany still have to prove if there
are really good.
Werner Pichler
Jun 26, 2012, 11:01:59 AM6/26/12
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team (Neuer, Boateng, Özil; Khedira was injured, Hummels
came on in stoppage time) *do* know what it's like to beat Italy
in an international tournament by winning the semifinal of the
U21 Euro 2009 against them.
The Italian side back then had Balotelli, Abate and Giovinco.
Ciao,
Wenrer
> D
M.G.
Jun 26, 2012, 11:27:56 AM6/26/12
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), Quincy wrote...
> Every single German success has been bashed with
> asterisks by bashers
Your persecution complex is astonishing... and really funny.
--
"Look at the way teams play against Arsenal. They don't believe they
can win. They don't believe." - Jose Mourinho
> Every single German success has been bashed with
> asterisks by bashers
--
"Look at the way teams play against Arsenal. They don't believe they
can win. They don't believe." - Jose Mourinho
Raja The Great
Jun 26, 2012, 11:58:01 AM6/26/12
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On Jun 26, 10:27 am, M.G. <gunn...@travelcomputer.mine> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), Quincy wrote...
> > Every single German success has been bashed with
> > asterisks by bashers
>
> Your persecution complex is astonishing... and really funny.
>
Yes.
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), Quincy wrote...
> > Every single German success has been bashed with
> > asterisks by bashers
>
> Your persecution complex is astonishing... and really funny.
>
Raja The Great
Jun 26, 2012, 12:06:13 PM6/26/12
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On Jun 26, 10:27 am, M.G. <gunn...@travelcomputer.mine> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), Quincy wrote...
> > Every single German success has been bashed with
> > asterisks by bashers
>
> Your persecution complex is astonishing... and really funny.
He is probably the only German with an inferiority complex ;-)
> > Every single German success has been bashed with
> > asterisks by bashers
>
> Your persecution complex is astonishing... and really funny.
Raja The Great
Jun 26, 2012, 12:05:28 PM6/26/12
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On Jun 26, 9:50 am, Quincy <ab...@email.de> wrote:
> On 25 Jun., 02:59, Futbolmetrix <futbolmet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > This one is going to be brief:
>
> > 4-3
> > 3-1
> > 2-0
>
> > And you can also add:
>
> > 0-0 but should have been a 3-0 Italian win (1978)
> > 1-1 after the ref gifted the Germans an indirect free-kick inside the
> > box for alleged time wasting by Zenga (Euro 1988)
>
> > But the streak is coming to an end on Thursday. This Germany side is far
> > stronger than any of the previous versions, and Italy weaker. Plus, the
> > 120 minutes versus England and two fewer days of rest make it an
> > impossible uphill battle.
>
> > D
>
> I hope we will have get answer on Thursday how strong this Germany
> team really is.
>
> Let's face the truth: Every single German success has been bashed with
> asterisks by bashers, like:
>
> WC Australia 4-0: Football minnows do not count
It counts. Australia were pretty good in that tournament.
> On 25 Jun., 02:59, Futbolmetrix <futbolmet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > This one is going to be brief:
>
> > 4-3
> > 3-1
> > 2-0
>
> > And you can also add:
>
> > 0-0 but should have been a 3-0 Italian win (1978)
> > 1-1 after the ref gifted the Germans an indirect free-kick inside the
> > box for alleged time wasting by Zenga (Euro 1988)
>
> > But the streak is coming to an end on Thursday. This Germany side is far
> > stronger than any of the previous versions, and Italy weaker. Plus, the
> > 120 minutes versus England and two fewer days of rest make it an
> > impossible uphill battle.
>
> > D
>
> I hope we will have get answer on Thursday how strong this Germany
> team really is.
>
> Let's face the truth: Every single German success has been bashed with
> asterisks by bashers, like:
>
> WC Australia 4-0: Football minnows do not count
> WC England 4-1: Shit team with shit tactics and the Lampard goal not
> given
> WC Argentina 4-0: Shit coach with shit tactics.
team.
> EC Qualy: 30points out of 10 games: Turkey, Austria and Belgium shit
> teams and football minnows.
> EC Portugal 1-0: Shitty Ronaldo and lots of luck for Germany.
was a draw.
> EC Netherlands 2-1: Shit team with shit tactics and shit attitute and
> even more shittier defense.
> EC Denmak 2-1: Shit team and football minnow. Furthermore very lucky
> Germany because of the Bendtner-Should-Be-A-Penalty-Incident
> EC Greece 4-2: One of the most shitty teams ever. Wacker Burghausen
> would have done better against them.
>
> So, perhaps if Germany beat Italy, we will finally know, but then
> again the German bashers will say:
>
> EC Italy 4-1: Italy shit team, only with an old slow man (Pirlo), 2
> days less rest and extra time. Germany still have to prove if there
> are really good.- Hide quoted text -
> So, perhaps if Germany beat Italy, we will finally know, but then
> again the German bashers will say:
>
> EC Italy 4-1: Italy shit team, only with an old slow man (Pirlo), 2
> days less rest and extra time. Germany still have to prove if there
Germany is not beating Italy 4-1. No one scores 4 goals against Italy.
When did this ever happen?
Germany is a good team but not as good as you think and still haven't
proven themselves. They can still prove themselves by winning Euro
2012. I don't think it is going to happen, but I am giving my full
support... objectively... something which you are incapable of doing.
If Germany are really as good as you think, they should be wiping the
floor with Brazil, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Netherlands, France,
Argentina, Uruguay who are in my opinion the best teams out there
along with them.
Binder Dundat
Jun 26, 2012, 2:24:53 PM6/26/12
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I hope Europe is prepared for the possibility of Germany going out in
the Semi's? What it will mean is that half of Germany will take their
holiday 3 days earlier, the airports and roads will be packed it will
be a crisis of the highest proportions. Can you imagine the gridlock,
ohhhhh the humanity!!!!
I am prepared for whatever happens, in fact my GF is at the World
Conference on Disaster Management in Toronto ( she really is). We will
have the cottage stocked up with Italian Chianti, Spanish Monastrell
and bottles of Port, just in case the German Brandy and beer does not
suffice! The final is going to be played on Kanada Day, so I will be
lighting off fireworks, no matter who wins.
Gotta stay away from the Vodka and Red Bull though, for all you kids
out there, it makes you crazy and when you crash, you really crash.
the Semi's? What it will mean is that half of Germany will take their
holiday 3 days earlier, the airports and roads will be packed it will
be a crisis of the highest proportions. Can you imagine the gridlock,
ohhhhh the humanity!!!!
I am prepared for whatever happens, in fact my GF is at the World
Conference on Disaster Management in Toronto ( she really is). We will
have the cottage stocked up with Italian Chianti, Spanish Monastrell
and bottles of Port, just in case the German Brandy and beer does not
suffice! The final is going to be played on Kanada Day, so I will be
lighting off fireworks, no matter who wins.
Gotta stay away from the Vodka and Red Bull though, for all you kids
out there, it makes you crazy and when you crash, you really crash.
Quincy
Jun 26, 2012, 2:30:30 PM6/26/12
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Their last win against UEFA Team was 1954, when they were really good.
Since then they are utter bullshit.
Raja The Great
Jun 26, 2012, 3:13:08 PM6/26/12
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They made it to semi finals of WC 2010 and won Copa America 2011
defeating Argentina and Paraguay. You are deluded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Copa_Am%C3%A9rica
Bruce D. Scott
Jun 26, 2012, 3:22:28 PM6/26/12
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Binder Dundat (dun...@gmail.com) wrote:
: I hope Europe is prepared for the possibility of Germany going out in
: I am prepared for whatever happens, in fact my GF is at the World
: Gotta stay away from the Vodka and Red Bull though, for all you kids
I will have Italian or Portuguese wine, methinks!
: I hope Europe is prepared for the possibility of Germany going out in
: the Semi's? What it will mean is that half of Germany will take their
: holiday 3 days earlier, the airports and roads will be packed it will
: be a crisis of the highest proportions. Can you imagine the gridlock,
: ohhhhh the humanity!!!!
They learned to stagger vacations a long time ago :-)
: holiday 3 days earlier, the airports and roads will be packed it will
: be a crisis of the highest proportions. Can you imagine the gridlock,
: ohhhhh the humanity!!!!
: I am prepared for whatever happens, in fact my GF is at the World
: Conference on Disaster Management in Toronto ( she really is). We will
: have the cottage stocked up with Italian Chianti, Spanish Monastrell
: and bottles of Port, just in case the German Brandy and beer does not
: suffice! The final is going to be played on Kanada Day, so I will be
: lighting off fireworks, no matter who wins.
Canada? No one will notice...
: have the cottage stocked up with Italian Chianti, Spanish Monastrell
: and bottles of Port, just in case the German Brandy and beer does not
: suffice! The final is going to be played on Kanada Day, so I will be
: lighting off fireworks, no matter who wins.
: Gotta stay away from the Vodka and Red Bull though, for all you kids
: out there, it makes you crazy and when you crash, you really crash.
Oh you poor man, some people are really, really self destructive :-))))
I will have Italian or Portuguese wine, methinks!
Quincy
Jun 26, 2012, 4:02:41 PM6/26/12
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Now tell me: When was the last time Uruguays defeated an UEFA team in
a competetive match?
Jesper Lauridsen
Jun 26, 2012, 4:57:33 PM6/26/12
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On 2012-06-25, Bruce D. Scott <b...@ipp-garching.mpg.de> wrote:
> Futbolmetrix (futbol...@yahoo.com) wrote:
>
>: But the streak is coming to an end on Thursday. This Germany side is far
>: stronger than any of the previous versions, and Italy weaker. Plus, the
>: 120 minutes versus England and two fewer days of rest make it an
>: impossible uphill battle.
>
> And that excuse will be a frankly legitimate gripe should you need to
> invoke it. All for TV: the right thing to do would be to have the
> 1/4-Finals as doubleheaders.
Italy will have 3 days rest. Before the QF they had 5, so in total it's
> Futbolmetrix (futbol...@yahoo.com) wrote:
>
>: But the streak is coming to an end on Thursday. This Germany side is far
>: stronger than any of the previous versions, and Italy weaker. Plus, the
>: 120 minutes versus England and two fewer days of rest make it an
>: impossible uphill battle.
>
> And that excuse will be a frankly legitimate gripe should you need to
> invoke it. All for TV: the right thing to do would be to have the
> 1/4-Finals as doubleheaders.
3 games in 11 days. Shouldn't be a problem.
Bruce D. Scott
Jun 26, 2012, 5:15:41 PM6/26/12
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Raja The Great
Jun 27, 2012, 9:36:43 AM6/27/12
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> Now tell me: When was the last time Uruguays defeated an UEFA team in
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Brazil and Argentina have 7 world cups between them and they have been
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far better than many UEFA team for the last 55 years.
Quincy
Jun 27, 2012, 10:08:54 AM6/27/12
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with 2 or more goals difference after 90 minutes since 1954:
UEFA winning: (!! = First class spanking)
4-2 Hungary - BRA 1954
3-1 Austria - URU 1954
3-1 Germany - ARG 1958
3-1 Yugoslavia - URU 1962
3-1 England - ARG 1962
3-1 Hungary - BRA 1966
3-1 Portugal - BRA 1966
4-0 Germany - URU 1966 (!!)
2-0 Holland - URU 1974
4-0 Holland - ARG 1970 (!!)
2-0 Holland - BRA 1974
6-1 Denmark - URU 1986 (!!)
3-1 Belgium - URU 1990
2-0 Bulgaria - ARG 1994
3-0 France - BRA 1998
4-0 Germany - ARG 2010 (!!)
BRA/ARG/URU winning by two or more goals against strong UEFA teams
since 1954:
4-2 URU - England 1954
5-2 BRA - France 1958
3-1 BRA - England 1962
4-1 BRA - Italy 1970
2-0 BRA - Russia 1994
2-0 BRA - Germany 2002
Numbers speak for themselves: 17-6
ARG never won against with two or more goals. URU just 1954. South
American teams never won with 4 or more goals while losing four times
that way!
Raja The Great
Jun 27, 2012, 10:49:25 AM6/27/12
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None of these matters. South America has won 9 World Cups (with just 3
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world cup winning nations) and Europe has won 10 World Cups (with 5
different world cup winning nations). They are more or less the same.
One could argue S. Americans are better considering that they have far
lesser slots in the WC than Europe.
Bonaf
Jun 27, 2012, 1:33:29 PM6/27/12
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"Quincy"wrote:
(after all you counted Bulgaria and Belgium who were strong for just 1 world
cup)
Let me remind you those results you ignored :
5-2 BRA - Sweden 1958
3-1 BRA -Czechoslovakia 1962
There are other results too where the UEFA team could qualified as "strong"
and lost by 2 goals (some matches against Soviet Union).
And Uruguay have been a non factor for long.
Futbolmetrix
Jun 28, 2012, 9:22:46 PM6/28/12
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On 6/24/2012 8:59 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> This one is going to be brief:
>
> 4-3
> 3-1
> 2-0
It gets a bit longer: 2-1
> This one is going to be brief:
>
> 4-3
> 3-1
> 2-0
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