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Benny
Jun 24, 2012, 9:45:43 PM6/24/12
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24 June 2012
ENGLAND 0
ITALY 0
Marchisio swapped passes with Abate down the right and pulled an
out-swinging cross to De Rossi. Standing centrally 30 yards from goal,
the Roma midfielder caught the ball on the bounce with a spectacular
left foot shot, cutting across the ball, and it thundered off Hart's
right post. Johnson played a one-two with Milner before slaloming his
way in between Balzaretti and De Rossi, he passed to Young as he drifted
inside the box, Young laid off to Milner and his low centre clipped off
Bonucci's heels and fell to Johnson, he got the ball caught in his feet
but nonetheless got off a shot, Buffon slapped the ball down with his
right hand before jumping to catch it before Rooney could follow-up.
Fantastic save. Buffon punched out a Milner cross straight to Parker but
he dragged his admittedly ambitious shot wide. Abate made a brilliant
clearance to deny Rooney as he threw himself at a Johnson cross on the
edge of the six yard box. The Italian defence stuffed a Milner cross and
Pirlo picked up the ball in his own box, he strode forward 20 yards then
chipped a longball to Balotelli, who was played onside by Johnson,
Balotelli pulled the ball down then touched it to his right and Terry
steamed in with a trademark block tackle as he shot. Montolivo, standing
side on, dropped a glorious first time pass over the England defence and
with the ball bouncing Balotelli leapt in the air and volleyed but
failed to trouble Hart with a tame shot. His passed up a third chance
ten minutes later. Cassano headed a Pirlo cross down into the six yard
box but Balotelli shot over as Terry and Lescott dived in with tackles.
Marchisio turned the ball back into the box after Hart punched out a
corner and De Rossi shot wide from six yards. De Rossi caught Hart by
surprise with a ferocious shot from distance, Hart parried, Balotelli
trapped the ball before shooting - straight at his Man City team-mate
and Montolivo volleyed the rebound over. Young had a chance on a rebound
after Abate sliced a cross but shot at Carroll's backside - so he can
hit a cow's arse with a banjo. De Rossi made way for Nocerino on 80
minutes and he had a late chance to win it but Johnson made a super
block tackle after the Milan midfielder killed a Marchisio cross with
his left and volleyed with his right. In what would have been the
greatest travesty in football since Cardozo failed to convert that
penalty against the fucking Spanish at the last World Cup, Rooney caught
Pirlo napping, played a one-two with Carroll and spread the ball wide to
Young, Young played in Cole on the overlap, Cole overhit his cross,
Carroll headed down and Rooney shanked an overhead kick way over.
In the first period of extra time Diamanti, who had replaced an out of
sorts Cassano, clipped the outside of a post with a cross and in the
second should have prevented a shoot-out but ballooned over Balzaretti's
centre.
PENALTY SHOOT-OUT
Balotelli - bottom left after a stutter
Gerrard - carbon copy without the stutter
Montolivo - Prandelli's pet shoots wide of the left post
Rooney - To the left again, hit with pace but at a poor height
Pirlo - A PANENKA but very low! Goal of the tournament, well amost
Young - Smashes the ball against the underside of the crossbar
Nocerino - Bottom left again, Hart's face pulling routine isn't working
Cole - Right of centre, Buffon simply fell to catch it
Diamanti - To the right again
All of Italy's penalties were to Hart's right - the same area Nasri beat
him for the France goal. A definite weakness.
Italy should have won this in normal time. A victory by a three goal
margin wouldn't have flattered them. They produced the best football of
the tournament. Hodgson should have sat Parker on Pirlo. Allow him to
dictate play and you're asking for trouble. England went toe to toe with
Italy for about 15 minutes then retreated. When was the last time a team
that was playing for penalties actually lost a shoot-out?
Germany have two extra days rest on Italy but unless the game goes to
extra time that won't be a factor. I strongly fancy Italy. Boateng is a
weak link. I don't think Ozil can handle being pressed which leaves
mighty Schweinsteiger. Germany probably won't put a man on Pirlo so as
long as Cassano doesn't turn in a performance like this, Italy will
cause Germany, who haven’t looked too good at the back, all sorts of
problems. Prandelli still hasn't got his selections right. Montolivo is
a bit like Aquilani, he's a soft touch and not good enough for this
level. Nocerino has to play.
Italy win 4-2 on penalties.
Attendance : 64,340
Assists : n/a
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ENGLAND 0
ITALY 0
Marchisio swapped passes with Abate down the right and pulled an
out-swinging cross to De Rossi. Standing centrally 30 yards from goal,
the Roma midfielder caught the ball on the bounce with a spectacular
left foot shot, cutting across the ball, and it thundered off Hart's
right post. Johnson played a one-two with Milner before slaloming his
way in between Balzaretti and De Rossi, he passed to Young as he drifted
inside the box, Young laid off to Milner and his low centre clipped off
Bonucci's heels and fell to Johnson, he got the ball caught in his feet
but nonetheless got off a shot, Buffon slapped the ball down with his
right hand before jumping to catch it before Rooney could follow-up.
Fantastic save. Buffon punched out a Milner cross straight to Parker but
he dragged his admittedly ambitious shot wide. Abate made a brilliant
clearance to deny Rooney as he threw himself at a Johnson cross on the
edge of the six yard box. The Italian defence stuffed a Milner cross and
Pirlo picked up the ball in his own box, he strode forward 20 yards then
chipped a longball to Balotelli, who was played onside by Johnson,
Balotelli pulled the ball down then touched it to his right and Terry
steamed in with a trademark block tackle as he shot. Montolivo, standing
side on, dropped a glorious first time pass over the England defence and
with the ball bouncing Balotelli leapt in the air and volleyed but
failed to trouble Hart with a tame shot. His passed up a third chance
ten minutes later. Cassano headed a Pirlo cross down into the six yard
box but Balotelli shot over as Terry and Lescott dived in with tackles.
Marchisio turned the ball back into the box after Hart punched out a
corner and De Rossi shot wide from six yards. De Rossi caught Hart by
surprise with a ferocious shot from distance, Hart parried, Balotelli
trapped the ball before shooting - straight at his Man City team-mate
and Montolivo volleyed the rebound over. Young had a chance on a rebound
after Abate sliced a cross but shot at Carroll's backside - so he can
hit a cow's arse with a banjo. De Rossi made way for Nocerino on 80
minutes and he had a late chance to win it but Johnson made a super
block tackle after the Milan midfielder killed a Marchisio cross with
his left and volleyed with his right. In what would have been the
greatest travesty in football since Cardozo failed to convert that
penalty against the fucking Spanish at the last World Cup, Rooney caught
Pirlo napping, played a one-two with Carroll and spread the ball wide to
Young, Young played in Cole on the overlap, Cole overhit his cross,
Carroll headed down and Rooney shanked an overhead kick way over.
In the first period of extra time Diamanti, who had replaced an out of
sorts Cassano, clipped the outside of a post with a cross and in the
second should have prevented a shoot-out but ballooned over Balzaretti's
centre.
PENALTY SHOOT-OUT
Balotelli - bottom left after a stutter
Gerrard - carbon copy without the stutter
Montolivo - Prandelli's pet shoots wide of the left post
Rooney - To the left again, hit with pace but at a poor height
Pirlo - A PANENKA but very low! Goal of the tournament, well amost
Young - Smashes the ball against the underside of the crossbar
Nocerino - Bottom left again, Hart's face pulling routine isn't working
Cole - Right of centre, Buffon simply fell to catch it
Diamanti - To the right again
All of Italy's penalties were to Hart's right - the same area Nasri beat
him for the France goal. A definite weakness.
Italy should have won this in normal time. A victory by a three goal
margin wouldn't have flattered them. They produced the best football of
the tournament. Hodgson should have sat Parker on Pirlo. Allow him to
dictate play and you're asking for trouble. England went toe to toe with
Italy for about 15 minutes then retreated. When was the last time a team
that was playing for penalties actually lost a shoot-out?
Germany have two extra days rest on Italy but unless the game goes to
extra time that won't be a factor. I strongly fancy Italy. Boateng is a
weak link. I don't think Ozil can handle being pressed which leaves
mighty Schweinsteiger. Germany probably won't put a man on Pirlo so as
long as Cassano doesn't turn in a performance like this, Italy will
cause Germany, who haven’t looked too good at the back, all sorts of
problems. Prandelli still hasn't got his selections right. Montolivo is
a bit like Aquilani, he's a soft touch and not good enough for this
level. Nocerino has to play.
Italy win 4-2 on penalties.
Attendance : 64,340
Assists : n/a
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Sven Mischkies
Jun 24, 2012, 10:01:39 PM6/24/12
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Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> Italy should have won this in normal time. A victory by a three goal
> margin wouldn't have flattered them. They produced the best football of
> the tournament.
The best football, or their best football?
> Italy should have won this in normal time. A victory by a three goal
> margin wouldn't have flattered them. They produced the best football of
> the tournament.
Ciao,
SM
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Alkamista
Jun 24, 2012, 9:50:29 PM6/24/12
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On Jun 24, 9:45 pm, Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> 24 June 2012
>
> ENGLAND 0
> ITALY 0
>
> Marchisio swapped passes with Abate down the right and pulled an
> out-swinging cross to De Rossi. Standing centrally 30 yards from goal,
> the Roma midfielder caught the ball on the bounce with a spectacular
> left foot shot, cutting across the ball, and it thundered off Hart's
> right post. Johnson played a one-two with Milner before slaloming his
> way in between Balzaretti and De Rossi, he passed to Young as he drifted
> inside the box, Young laid off to Milner and his low centre clipped off
> Bonucci's heels and fell to Johnson, he got the ball caught in his feet
> but nonetheless got off a shot, Buffon slapped the ball down with his
> right hand before jumping to catch it before Rooney could follow-up.
> Fantastic save. Buffon punched out a Milner cross straight to Parker but
> he dragged his admittedly ambitious shot wide. Abate made a brilliant
> clearance to deny Rooney as he threw himself at a Johnson cross on the
> edge of the six yard box.
Rooney headed over, I dont think Abate touched the ball.
> 24 June 2012
>
> ENGLAND 0
> ITALY 0
>
> Marchisio swapped passes with Abate down the right and pulled an
> out-swinging cross to De Rossi. Standing centrally 30 yards from goal,
> the Roma midfielder caught the ball on the bounce with a spectacular
> left foot shot, cutting across the ball, and it thundered off Hart's
> right post. Johnson played a one-two with Milner before slaloming his
> way in between Balzaretti and De Rossi, he passed to Young as he drifted
> inside the box, Young laid off to Milner and his low centre clipped off
> Bonucci's heels and fell to Johnson, he got the ball caught in his feet
> but nonetheless got off a shot, Buffon slapped the ball down with his
> right hand before jumping to catch it before Rooney could follow-up.
> Fantastic save. Buffon punched out a Milner cross straight to Parker but
> he dragged his admittedly ambitious shot wide. Abate made a brilliant
> clearance to deny Rooney as he threw himself at a Johnson cross on the
> edge of the six yard box.
Forssberg
Jun 24, 2012, 10:22:13 PM6/24/12
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On Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:45:43 PM UTC-4, Benny wrote:
> Germany have two extra days rest on Italy but unless the game goes to
> extra time that won't be a factor. I strongly fancy Italy. Boateng is a
> weak link. I don't think Ozil can handle being pressed which leaves
> mighty Schweinsteiger. Germany probably won't put a man on Pirlo so as
> long as Cassano doesn't turn in a performance like this, Italy will
> cause Germany, who haven’t looked too good at the back, all sorts of
> problems. Prandelli still hasn't got his selections right. Montolivo is
> a bit like Aquilani, he's a soft touch and not good enough for this
> level. Nocerino has to play.
Italy plays well enough to be competitive against Germany but I doubt they can win without a fully functioning striker, and Balotelli is not it. Of the 3 chances he had in the 1st half a more technical and quicker striker like Di Natale would have put away at least 1.
> Germany have two extra days rest on Italy but unless the game goes to
> extra time that won't be a factor. I strongly fancy Italy. Boateng is a
> weak link. I don't think Ozil can handle being pressed which leaves
> mighty Schweinsteiger. Germany probably won't put a man on Pirlo so as
> long as Cassano doesn't turn in a performance like this, Italy will
> cause Germany, who haven’t looked too good at the back, all sorts of
> problems. Prandelli still hasn't got his selections right. Montolivo is
> a bit like Aquilani, he's a soft touch and not good enough for this
> level. Nocerino has to play.
Google Beta User
Jun 24, 2012, 10:30:31 PM6/24/12
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Not complicated, England not good enough. The effort was there, but their qualities and the coach are limited. I do think theyll be better in 2014. Still at least the team was likeable, humble, and scrapped.
Oh, Parker is one most overrated players in the world. Him and Modric. How Alonso frustrates Benny is how Parker frustrates me.
Oh, Parker is one most overrated players in the world. Him and Modric. How Alonso frustrates Benny is how Parker frustrates me.
Vanman
Jun 24, 2012, 11:23:02 PM6/24/12
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In this tourny they looked worse on paper (and hence expectations were
lower) and yet they played with more enthusiasm and were more entertaining
to watch.
The last two WC's the lineup appeared loaded but the team was flaccid and
lifeless. They look to be going in the right direction anyways.
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lower) and yet they played with more enthusiasm and were more entertaining
to watch.
The last two WC's the lineup appeared loaded but the team was flaccid and
lifeless. They look to be going in the right direction anyways.
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Chagney Hunt
Jun 24, 2012, 10:24:24 PM6/24/12
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On Jun 24, 10:01 pm, hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net (Sven Mischkies)
wrote:
doubt.
wrote:
> Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> > Italy should have won this in normal time. A victory by a three goal
> > margin wouldn't have flattered them. They produced the best football of
> > the tournament.
>
> The best football, or their best football?
You're giving Benny's azure tinted glasses too much benefit of the
> > Italy should have won this in normal time. A victory by a three goal
> > margin wouldn't have flattered them. They produced the best football of
> > the tournament.
>
> The best football, or their best football?
doubt.
Bruce D. Scott
Jun 25, 2012, 12:20:47 AM6/25/12
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Sven Mischkies (hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net) wrote:
painfully risk-adverse in shooting, too many tame ones or no-chancers),
but they pwned the midfield. That's what you have to do to beat
Germany. You have a good chance for a 1996... they play you down but
forget to score and it's 0-0 after 90 mins. Then anything can happen.
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: Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
: > Italy should have won this in normal time. A victory by a three goal
: > margin wouldn't have flattered them. They produced the best football of
: > the tournament.
: The best football, or their best football?
It didn't look pretty, and their shooting betrayed them (and they were
: > Italy should have won this in normal time. A victory by a three goal
: > margin wouldn't have flattered them. They produced the best football of
: > the tournament.
: The best football, or their best football?
painfully risk-adverse in shooting, too many tame ones or no-chancers),
but they pwned the midfield. That's what you have to do to beat
Germany. You have a good chance for a 1996... they play you down but
forget to score and it's 0-0 after 90 mins. Then anything can happen.
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Jordi
Jun 25, 2012, 2:37:39 AM6/25/12
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On Monday, June 25, 2012 3:45:43 AM UTC+2, Benny wrote:
> 24 June 2012
> 24 June 2012
> Italy for about 15 minutes then retreated. When was the last time a team
> that was playing for penalties actually lost a shoot-out?
Concerning Italy, Spain '08.
> that was playing for penalties actually lost a shoot-out?
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 8:56:39 AM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 02:50, Alkamista wrote:
> Rooney headed over, I dont think Abate touched the ball.
Abate got a boot to the ball. I'd post a screencap, if I could be bothered.
> Rooney headed over, I dont think Abate touched the ball.
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 8:59:34 AM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 04:12, DK wrote:
> Ummm, no. Not even close. Italy was merely pretty decent
> aganist a very mediocre side.
Germany and Portugal played crap sides - Greece and the Czechs. Spain
created what 2 chances against an awful France side. Italy played
against a very, very strong defensive team and created numerous chances.
> Ummm, no. Not even close. Italy was merely pretty decent
> aganist a very mediocre side.
Germany and Portugal played crap sides - Greece and the Czechs. Spain
created what 2 chances against an awful France side. Italy played
against a very, very strong defensive team and created numerous chances.
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 9:04:00 AM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 03:22, Forssberg wrote:
> Italy plays well enough to be competitive against Germany but I doubt they can win without a fully functioning striker, and Balotelli is not it.
> Of the 3 chances he had in the 1st half a more technical and quicker striker like Di Natale would have put away at least 1.
Two of those chances were from balls over the top and one from a cross.
> Italy plays well enough to be competitive against Germany but I doubt they can win without a fully functioning striker, and Balotelli is not it.
> Of the 3 chances he had in the 1st half a more technical and quicker striker like Di Natale would have put away at least 1.
It's much more difficult making a 30 yard pass through traffic. If Motta
doesn't play Italy lack height in midfield and that's why Balotelli is
important.
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 9:05:25 AM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 03:01, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> The best football, or their best football?
>
>
> Ciao,
> SM
>
The best football. I'd like to see your nominations and please don't
> The best football, or their best football?
>
>
> Ciao,
> SM
>
pick Spain v Ireland or Germany v Greece because thrashing shit sides
doesn't count.
Raja The Great
Jun 25, 2012, 9:04:15 AM6/25/12
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tournament to be unable to score in 120 minutes against a crap English
team which had Wayne Rooney in it. Spain of course is the best team of
the tournament with or without a striker. Benny and most of you hate
them, but they are VERY GOOD even without David Villa.
And I dont think Germany has much chance against Spain even if they
overcome the Italian jinx.
Raja The Great
Jun 25, 2012, 9:08:26 AM6/25/12
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On Jun 24, 10:12 pm, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote:
> In article <js8fs9$rb...@dont-email.me>, Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> >Italy ... produced the best football of the tournament.
> for Italy. Too bad they never managed to score. Balotelli is
> rubbish.
Wayne Rooney is even worse than Bolletelli
> In article <js8fs9$rb...@dont-email.me>, Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> >Italy ... produced the best football of the tournament.
>
> Ummm, no. Not even close. Italy was merely pretty decent
> aganist a very mediocre side. This was first time ever I rooted
> Ummm, no. Not even close. Italy was merely pretty decent
> for Italy. Too bad they never managed to score. Balotelli is
> rubbish.
Wayne Rooney is even worse than Bolletelli
Raja The Great
Jun 25, 2012, 9:07:06 AM6/25/12
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On Jun 25, 7:59 am, Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> On 25/06/2012 04:12, DK wrote:
>
> > Ummm, no. Not even close. Italy was merely pretty decent
> > aganist a very mediocre side.
>
> Germany and Portugal played crap sides - Greece and the Czechs.
They played each other and also Netherlands/Denmark. How abou that?
> On 25/06/2012 04:12, DK wrote:
>
> > Ummm, no. Not even close. Italy was merely pretty decent
> > aganist a very mediocre side.
>
> Germany and Portugal played crap sides - Greece and the Czechs.
> Spain
> created what 2 chances against an awful France side.
>Italy played
> against a very, very strong defensive team and created numerous chances.
got his eyes operated yet.
\
Raja The Great
Jun 25, 2012, 9:12:13 AM6/25/12
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On Jun 25, 8:05 am, Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> On 25/06/2012 03:01, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > The best football, or their best football?
>
> > Ciao,
> > SM
>
> The best football. I'd like to see your nominations and please don't
> pick Spain v Ireland or Germany v Greece because thrashing shit sides
> doesn't count.
The best matches so far
> On 25/06/2012 03:01, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > The best football, or their best football?
>
> > Ciao,
> > SM
>
> The best football. I'd like to see your nominations and please don't
> pick Spain v Ireland or Germany v Greece because thrashing shit sides
> doesn't count.
Portugal-Denmark
Germany-Netherlands
Germany-Denmark
Spain-France (Spain were rubbish in the group stages but seem to have
picked up when it mattered)
Sven Mischkies
Jun 25, 2012, 9:42:31 AM6/25/12
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Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> On 25/06/2012 03:01, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > The best football, or their best football?
> >
> >
> > Ciao,
> > SM
> >
>
> The best football. I'd like to see your nominations and please don't
> pick Spain v Ireland or Germany v Greece because thrashing shit sides
> doesn't count.
Then how does Italy vs England count?
> On 25/06/2012 03:01, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > The best football, or their best football?
> >
> >
> > Ciao,
> > SM
> >
>
> The best football. I'd like to see your nominations and please don't
> pick Spain v Ireland or Germany v Greece because thrashing shit sides
> doesn't count.
Peluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Alkamista
Jun 25, 2012, 10:02:54 AM6/25/12
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On Jun 25, 9:05 am, Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> On 25/06/2012 03:01, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > The best football, or their best football?
>
> > Ciao,
> > SM
>
> The best football. I'd like to see your nominations and please don't
> pick Spain v Ireland or Germany v Greece because thrashing shit sides
> doesn't count.
If you are going to make rules then let's make a more basic one: You
> On 25/06/2012 03:01, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > The best football, or their best football?
>
> > Ciao,
> > SM
>
> The best football. I'd like to see your nominations and please don't
> pick Spain v Ireland or Germany v Greece because thrashing shit sides
> doesn't count.
cannot qualify for best football if you cannot put a single goal away
in 120 minutes against a crap side.
Mark V.
Jun 25, 2012, 11:51:08 AM6/25/12
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On Jun 25, 9:05 am, Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
tournament in Anders's "You Decide" poll. In your defense, several
others ranked them between #4 and #7. Anders and MH and I ranked them
#10 through #12, which, after yesterday's display by England turned
out to be a more proper assessment of their class.
Teams who can make a case for having played better football : Portugal
when they defeated the Netherlands. Spain when they played France.
Sweden when they played France. Germany when they played the
Netherlands.
Remember that if this had been a first round match, Italy would have
only earned 1 point.
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 12:13:06 PM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 15:02, Alkamista wrote:
> If you are going to make rules then let's make a more basic one: You
> cannot qualify for best football if you cannot put a single goal away
> in 120 minutes against a crap side.
England are not a crap side.
> If you are going to make rules then let's make a more basic one: You
> cannot qualify for best football if you cannot put a single goal away
> in 120 minutes against a crap side.
Sven Mischkies
Jun 25, 2012, 12:41:43 PM6/25/12
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Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> On 25/06/2012 15:02, Alkamista wrote:
>
> > If you are going to make rules then let's make a more basic one: You
> > cannot qualify for best football if you cannot put a single goal away
> > in 120 minutes against a crap side.
>
> England are not a crap side.
IMHO:
> On 25/06/2012 15:02, Alkamista wrote:
>
> > If you are going to make rules then let's make a more basic one: You
> > cannot qualify for best football if you cannot put a single goal away
> > in 120 minutes against a crap side.
>
> England are not a crap side.
Keeper: Good
Full backs: Very good
Centre backs: Good
Defensive midfield: Erm... Below average.
Creative midfield: No, nonexistant. They gave up on that to shore up the
defense.
Wingers: Average. Speedy, but no end product.
Strikers: Average. Very. I guess Rooney should do better, but he never
does for England, with Welbeck we'll see how he develops.
Crap may take it too far, but they are not markedly better than Sweden
or the Ukraine, not with this team.
I think Hodgson did this the wrong way. Instead of 4-4-2 he should have
gone 4-2-3-1 (surely there must be someone who can play as a DM? They
brought only one to the tournament with Parker, and he isn't real one)
to give Gerrard license to roam, and Young and Walcott (or AOC) on the
wings in a more aggressive role. Then add a striker to fit the opponent
- Carroll for those weak in the air, Welbeck or Defoe for speed and
Rooney for versatility.
Dunno if this is related or not:
Chelski's performance in the CL was an aberration, they got far luckier
than Greece in 2004 (who were defending much better) and should have
lost all of their last 3 games by a good margin. They are not a role
model.
Peluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 12:43:34 PM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 16:51, Mark V. wrote:
> You were the only one to rate England as high as third best in the
> tournament in Anders's "You Decide" poll. In your defense, several
> others ranked them between #4 and #7. Anders and MH and I ranked them
> #10 through #12, which, after yesterday's display by England turned
> out to be a more proper assessment of their class.
>
> Teams who can make a case for having played better football : Portugal
> when they defeated the Netherlands. Spain when they played France.
Spain square passed the ball to death and barely troubled the French
> You were the only one to rate England as high as third best in the
> tournament in Anders's "You Decide" poll. In your defense, several
> others ranked them between #4 and #7. Anders and MH and I ranked them
> #10 through #12, which, after yesterday's display by England turned
> out to be a more proper assessment of their class.
>
> Teams who can make a case for having played better football : Portugal
> when they defeated the Netherlands. Spain when they played France.
goalkeeper. Spain played like Greece.
> Sweden when they played France.
> Germany when they played the Netherlands.
> Remember that if this had been a first round match, Italy would have
> only earned 1 point.
the knockout stages.
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 12:45:00 PM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 14:42, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> Then how does Italy vs England count?
>
>
> Ciao,
> SM
>
England have some of the best defenders in the World. Ireland don't,
>
> Then how does Italy vs England count?
>
>
> Ciao,
> SM
>
Greece don't, the French don't, the Dutch don't.
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 12:51:11 PM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 17:41, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>>
>> England are not a crap side.
>
>
> IMHO:
> Keeper: Good
One of the best in the World.
>>
>> England are not a crap side.
>
>
> IMHO:
> Keeper: Good
> Full backs: Very good
> Centre backs: Good
> Defensive midfield: Erm... Below average.
> Creative midfield: No, nonexistant. They gave up on that to shore up the
> defense.
> Wingers: Average. Speedy, but no end product.
> Strikers: Average. Very. I guess Rooney should do better, but he never
> does for England, with Welbeck we'll see how he develops.
>
> Crap may take it too far, but they are not markedly better than Sweden
> or the Ukraine, not with this team.
don't even have that.
> I think Hodgson did this the wrong way. Instead of 4-4-2 he should have
> gone 4-2-3-1 (surely there must be someone who can play as a DM? They
> brought only one to the tournament with Parker, and he isn't real one)
> to give Gerrard license to roam, and Young and Walcott (or AOC) on the
> wings in a more aggressive role. Then add a striker to fit the opponent
> - Carroll for those weak in the air, Welbeck or Defoe for speed and
> Rooney for versatility.
>
> Dunno if this is related or not:
> Chelski's performance in the CL was an aberration, they got far luckier
> than Greece in 2004 (who were defending much better) and should have
> lost all of their last 3 games by a good margin. They are not a role
> model.
>
>
> Ciao,
> SM
whacked 4-1 and looked horrific in defence. There showing here was a
marked improvement. Hodgson has only been in charge for 2 months. You
start at the back and then work your way through the rest of the team.
Sven Mischkies
Jun 25, 2012, 1:01:54 PM6/25/12
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Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> On 25/06/2012 17:41, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> >>
> >> England are not a crap side.
> >
> >
> > IMHO:
> > Keeper: Good
>
> One of the best in the World.
>
> > Full backs: Very good
> > Centre backs: Good
> > Defensive midfield: Erm... Below average.
> > Creative midfield: No, nonexistant. They gave up on that to shore up the
> > defense.
> > Wingers: Average. Speedy, but no end product.
> > Strikers: Average. Very. I guess Rooney should do better, but he never
> > does for England, with Welbeck we'll see how he develops.
> >
> > Crap may take it too far, but they are not markedly better than Sweden
> > or the Ukraine, not with this team.
>
> They beat both.
Yes, barely, especially Sweden with a lot of luck. I didn't say they
> On 25/06/2012 17:41, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> >>
> >> England are not a crap side.
> >
> >
> > IMHO:
> > Keeper: Good
>
> One of the best in the World.
>
> > Full backs: Very good
> > Centre backs: Good
> > Defensive midfield: Erm... Below average.
> > Creative midfield: No, nonexistant. They gave up on that to shore up the
> > defense.
> > Wingers: Average. Speedy, but no end product.
> > Strikers: Average. Very. I guess Rooney should do better, but he never
> > does for England, with Welbeck we'll see how he develops.
> >
> > Crap may take it too far, but they are not markedly better than Sweden
> > or the Ukraine, not with this team.
>
> They beat both.
were worse, just not much better.
> Sweden have on exceptional player and 10 duds. Ukraine
> don't even have that.
> Last time England reached the KO stages of a major tournament they were
> whacked 4-1 and looked horrific in defence. There showing here was a
> marked improvement. Hodgson has only been in charge for 2 months. You
> start at the back and then work your way through the rest of the team.
rematch in the semi and a nice and easy 4 or 5 goal win. England didn't
concede 4 in a game because their group was easy and Italy wasted
fantastic opportunities.
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Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 1:28:24 PM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 18:01, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> England have no exceptional player and 5 duds. ;)
Their defence is phenomenal.
> England have no exceptional player and 5 duds. ;)
> That's because you didn't play Germany. I was SO looking forward to a
> rematch in the semi and a nice and easy 4 or 5 goal win. England didn't
> concede 4 in a game because their group was easy and Italy wasted
> fantastic opportunities.
Google Beta User
Jun 25, 2012, 1:39:03 PM6/25/12
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Spain bashing getting over the top now. Yes they could be more direct in final third--maybe if Villa was thdre or Torres hadnt regressed. Still they generally dominate. the score of the france game was never in doubt.
Exit questions:
1. I dont think England is crap but they limited. Not better than say France or Holland.
2. Why dont teams DO SOMETHING about tiki taka?
3. When late 90s/early 00 brazil had mostly attack, or the classic italian teams played great defense, they were praised. Spain are doing the same with midfield. Cant say they like Greece, more like classic italy. They are imposing THEIR game. From a position of confidence, ability, and intent. We dont have to like it but to liken them to Greece or parkin the bus teams is over the top.
Exit questions:
1. I dont think England is crap but they limited. Not better than say France or Holland.
2. Why dont teams DO SOMETHING about tiki taka?
3. When late 90s/early 00 brazil had mostly attack, or the classic italian teams played great defense, they were praised. Spain are doing the same with midfield. Cant say they like Greece, more like classic italy. They are imposing THEIR game. From a position of confidence, ability, and intent. We dont have to like it but to liken them to Greece or parkin the bus teams is over the top.
zeebjii
Jun 25, 2012, 2:09:35 PM6/25/12
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pass the ball among themselves and the goalkeeper for 90 minutes.
Spain are not like greece, they are worse. I can't recall greece now
or in 2004 being this boring. I'd rather they park the bus and play on
the counter At the very least, i can still look forward to some
counter attacking plays.
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 2:25:25 PM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 19:09, zeebjii wrote:
> Classic italian teams played great defense, but their defenders didnt
> pass the ball among themselves and the goalkeeper for 90 minutes.
> Spain are not like greece, they are worse. I can't recall greece now
> or in 2004 being this boring. I'd rather they park the bus and play on
> the counter At the very least, i can still look forward to some
> counter attacking plays.
Yep. Greece had limited players. Spain don't. They are capable of
> Classic italian teams played great defense, but their defenders didnt
> pass the ball among themselves and the goalkeeper for 90 minutes.
> Spain are not like greece, they are worse. I can't recall greece now
> or in 2004 being this boring. I'd rather they park the bus and play on
> the counter At the very least, i can still look forward to some
> counter attacking plays.
playing expansive football but won't because they're shit scared of
getting done on the counter attack and their midget midfielders getting
overrun in midfield so they pass the ball square for 90 minutes and try
to bore the opposition into a mistake. It's akin to Chang playing
moonballs against Lendl in the French Open final in 1989, for those old
enough to remember. Once the bastards are eliminated their golden era
will be over, they do not have great players coming through.
Pope Pompous XVIII
Jun 25, 2012, 1:48:10 PM6/25/12
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Google Beta User a écrit :
It is absurd to suggest Spain are not an attacking side.
The reason they pass sideways more often than others is that ***they
always have a man available***. Those who criticise them for this
should think long and hard why England were on the back foot for 85
minutes last night. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Spanish
style. Possession with one eye always on an opening for goal is vastly
preferable to chasing around in packs for a ball that always eludes
you. Again - think England. Made to look unfit and amateur by the
solitary Pirlo, who barely broke sweat all night.
Spain, Germany, Italy, Russia - these are the sides setting the agenda
for the future. England can moan about how these foreigners are ruining
the game but while they continue to play like headless chickens they
won't be taking home any silver.
--
+ His Holiness Pope Pompous XVIII
"We do out of the fullness of Our apostolic power declare the foresaid
Elizabeth I to be a heretic and favorer of heretics, and her adherents
in the matters aforesaid to have incurred the sentence of
excommunication and to be cut off from the unity of the body of Christ.
And moreover (We declare) her to be deprived of her pretended title to
the aforesaid crown and of all lordship, dignity and privilege
whatsoever" - His Holiness of Happy Renown Pope Pius V, 1570
The reason they pass sideways more often than others is that ***they
always have a man available***. Those who criticise them for this
should think long and hard why England were on the back foot for 85
minutes last night. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Spanish
style. Possession with one eye always on an opening for goal is vastly
preferable to chasing around in packs for a ball that always eludes
you. Again - think England. Made to look unfit and amateur by the
solitary Pirlo, who barely broke sweat all night.
Spain, Germany, Italy, Russia - these are the sides setting the agenda
for the future. England can moan about how these foreigners are ruining
the game but while they continue to play like headless chickens they
won't be taking home any silver.
--
+ His Holiness Pope Pompous XVIII
"We do out of the fullness of Our apostolic power declare the foresaid
Elizabeth I to be a heretic and favorer of heretics, and her adherents
in the matters aforesaid to have incurred the sentence of
excommunication and to be cut off from the unity of the body of Christ.
And moreover (We declare) her to be deprived of her pretended title to
the aforesaid crown and of all lordship, dignity and privilege
whatsoever" - His Holiness of Happy Renown Pope Pius V, 1570
Sven Mischkies
Jun 25, 2012, 2:58:43 PM6/25/12
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Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
> On 25/06/2012 18:01, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > England have no exceptional player and 5 duds. ;)
>
> Their defence is phenomenal.
How many sitters did Italy miss? Half a dozen?
> On 25/06/2012 18:01, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> > England have no exceptional player and 5 duds. ;)
>
> Their defence is phenomenal.
> > That's because you didn't play Germany. I was SO looking forward to a
> > rematch in the semi and a nice and easy 4 or 5 goal win. England didn't
> > concede 4 in a game because their group was easy and Italy wasted
> > fantastic opportunities.
>
> A 4-5 goal win in a semi final? England are not Greece.
Sven Mischkies
Jun 25, 2012, 2:58:43 PM6/25/12
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Nah, that's just Benny.
> Yes they could be more direct in
> final third--maybe if Villa was thdre or Torres hadnt regressed. Still
> they generally dominate. the score of the france game was never in doubt.
Even with both they were not exactly setting the world on fire in 2008
and 2010. They are a poor man's Barca, trying to play the same way, but
with a lesser squad.
> Exit questions: 1. I dont think England is crap but they limited. Not
> better than say France or Holland.
>
Talentwise France and Holland are a class above England, their problem
is the constant infighting.
> 2. Why dont teams DO SOMETHING about tiki taka?
Like what? There are only 3 approaches:
1) Try to take your opponent on and outpress and outpass them. Good luck
with that.
2) Park the buss and hope the best. This has been shows to be
successfull on occassion.
3) Kick the shit out of your opponent. That rarely works.
Teams have tried all three, what else do you want them to try?
> 3. When late 90s/early 00 brazil had mostly attack, or the classic italian
>teams played great defense, they were praised. Spain are doing the same
>with midfield. Cant say they like Greece, more like classic italy. They
>are imposing THEIR game. From a position of confidence, ability, and
>intent. We dont have to like it but to liken them to Greece or parkin
>the bus teams is over the top.
Italy has been praised for their anti football? Not by many. ;)
But I agree - Spain does what they do best and are successfull with it.
And they got a lot of praise in the past, and are still getting some. It
is up to their opponents to stop them. Spain would be stupid to try to
play something else.
> Yes they could be more direct in
> final third--maybe if Villa was thdre or Torres hadnt regressed. Still
> they generally dominate. the score of the france game was never in doubt.
and 2010. They are a poor man's Barca, trying to play the same way, but
with a lesser squad.
> Exit questions: 1. I dont think England is crap but they limited. Not
> better than say France or Holland.
>
is the constant infighting.
> 2. Why dont teams DO SOMETHING about tiki taka?
1) Try to take your opponent on and outpress and outpass them. Good luck
with that.
2) Park the buss and hope the best. This has been shows to be
successfull on occassion.
3) Kick the shit out of your opponent. That rarely works.
Teams have tried all three, what else do you want them to try?
> 3. When late 90s/early 00 brazil had mostly attack, or the classic italian
>teams played great defense, they were praised. Spain are doing the same
>with midfield. Cant say they like Greece, more like classic italy. They
>are imposing THEIR game. From a position of confidence, ability, and
>intent. We dont have to like it but to liken them to Greece or parkin
>the bus teams is over the top.
But I agree - Spain does what they do best and are successfull with it.
And they got a lot of praise in the past, and are still getting some. It
is up to their opponents to stop them. Spain would be stupid to try to
play something else.
Sven Mischkies
Jun 25, 2012, 3:04:25 PM6/25/12
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Pope Pompous XVIII <popepomp...@popesnews.invalid> wrote:
> Google Beta User a écrit :
> > Spain bashing getting over the top now. Yes they could be more direct in
> > final third--maybe if Villa was thdre or Torres hadnt regressed. Still they
> > generally dominate. the score of the france game was never in doubt.
>
> > Exit questions:
> > 1. I dont think England is crap but they limited. Not better than say France
> > or Holland.
>
> > 2. Why dont teams DO SOMETHING about tiki taka?
>
> > 3. When late 90s/early 00 brazil had mostly attack, or the classic italian
> > teams played great defense, they were praised. Spain are doing the same with
> > midfield. Cant say they like Greece, more like classic italy. They are
> > imposing THEIR game. From a position of confidence, ability, and intent. We
> > dont have to like it but to liken them to Greece or parkin the bus teams is
> > over the top.
>
> It is absurd to suggest Spain are not an attacking side.
The infuriating bit, the bit I understand it bothers Benny and others
> Google Beta User a écrit :
> > Spain bashing getting over the top now. Yes they could be more direct in
> > final third--maybe if Villa was thdre or Torres hadnt regressed. Still they
> > generally dominate. the score of the france game was never in doubt.
>
> > Exit questions:
> > 1. I dont think England is crap but they limited. Not better than say France
> > or Holland.
>
> > 2. Why dont teams DO SOMETHING about tiki taka?
>
> > 3. When late 90s/early 00 brazil had mostly attack, or the classic italian
> > teams played great defense, they were praised. Spain are doing the same with
> > midfield. Cant say they like Greece, more like classic italy. They are
> > imposing THEIR game. From a position of confidence, ability, and intent. We
> > dont have to like it but to liken them to Greece or parkin the bus teams is
> > over the top.
>
> It is absurd to suggest Spain are not an attacking side.
(and me) is that they often play themselves into promising positions -
and they just don't take any risk and pass it back.
> The reason they pass sideways more often than others is that ***they
> always have a man available***. Those who criticise them for this
> should think long and hard why England were on the back foot for 85
> minutes last night. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Spanish
> style. Possession with one eye always on an opening for goal is vastly
> preferable to chasing around in packs for a ball that always eludes
> you. Again - think England. Made to look unfit and amateur by the
> solitary Pirlo, who barely broke sweat all night.
> Spain, Germany, Italy, Russia - these are the sides setting the agenda
> for the future. England can moan about how these foreigners are ruining
> the game but while they continue to play like headless chickens they
> won't be taking home any silver.
following. And it is amazing who is doing that: Good old solid Sweden
suddenly tries to play a short passing game, Italy of all nations
discovers possession. We have been witnessing a revolution of the sport
in the past 5 years or so.
Clément
Jun 25, 2012, 3:10:50 PM6/25/12
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"Benny" escreveu:
reason to try anything different. I know I wouldn't.
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
> Yep. Greece had limited players. Spain don't. They are capable of playing
> expansive football but won't because they're shit scared of getting done
> on the counter attack and their midget midfielders getting overrun in
> midfield so they pass the ball square for 90 minutes and try to bore the
> opposition into a mistake.
Well, that, or it's just that they keep winning, and therefore have no
> expansive football but won't because they're shit scared of getting done
> on the counter attack and their midget midfielders getting overrun in
> midfield so they pass the ball square for 90 minutes and try to bore the
> opposition into a mistake.
reason to try anything different. I know I wouldn't.
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 3:22:48 PM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 19:58, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> How many sitters did Italy miss? Half a dozen?
I don't consider a shot being blocked missing a sitter and that's what
> How many sitters did Italy miss? Half a dozen?
makes England's defence phenomenal. Chelsea's English players made
several of those block tackles in the Champions League.
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 3:26:56 PM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 20:04, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> Spain (well, Barca, really) is setting the agenda, the others are
> following. And it is amazing who is doing that: Good old solid Sweden
> suddenly tries to play a short passing game, Italy of all nations
> discovers possession. We have been witnessing a revolution of the sport
> in the past 5 years or so.
>
>
> Ciao,
> SM
Possession football is nothing new for Italy. Sitting on a 1 goal lead
> Spain (well, Barca, really) is setting the agenda, the others are
> following. And it is amazing who is doing that: Good old solid Sweden
> suddenly tries to play a short passing game, Italy of all nations
> discovers possession. We have been witnessing a revolution of the sport
> in the past 5 years or so.
>
>
> Ciao,
> SM
is the biggest criticism you can level on some Italy sides of the past
i.e. Trap and Maldini while Lippi's Italy certainly cannot be accused of
that.
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 3:30:42 PM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 20:10, Clément wrote:
> Well, that, or it's just that they keep winning, and therefore have no
> reason to try anything different. I know I wouldn't.
>
> Abraço,
>
> Luiz Mello
Of course but they and/or the media can't claim Spain play state of the
> Well, that, or it's just that they keep winning, and therefore have no
> reason to try anything different. I know I wouldn't.
>
> Abraço,
>
> Luiz Mello
art football or claim to be the antithesis of catenaccio then go out and
do the same thing. That is my issue with Spain, the bare faced hypocrisy.
Futbolmetrix
Jun 25, 2012, 3:36:32 PM6/25/12
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On 6/25/2012 2:58 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
Actually, zero. I don't think Italy had a single shot that can be
considered a sitter. And that's where I strongly disagree with Benny's
assessment of Italy's performance. We had nowhere near the offensive
fluidity that Germany displayed against Greece. Lots of possession, but
it mostly boiled down to shots from long distance, which were easily
blocked by the English defense.
We created more high quality chances against Spain.
D
Actually, zero. I don't think Italy had a single shot that can be
considered a sitter. And that's where I strongly disagree with Benny's
assessment of Italy's performance. We had nowhere near the offensive
fluidity that Germany displayed against Greece. Lots of possession, but
it mostly boiled down to shots from long distance, which were easily
blocked by the English defense.
We created more high quality chances against Spain.
D
Bruce D. Scott
Jun 25, 2012, 3:53:39 PM6/25/12
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anders t (anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com) wrote:
: Quoting Sven Mischkies in rec.sport.soccer:
: >England have no exceptional player and 5 duds. ;)
: Don't forget the Donkey!
They really should have started with him in there. I guess Rooney was
in there because he could play in the field, but the time to make the
sub was when it became clear he didn't want to track Pirlo.
--
ciao,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
: Quoting Sven Mischkies in rec.sport.soccer:
: >England have no exceptional player and 5 duds. ;)
: Don't forget the Donkey!
They really should have started with him in there. I guess Rooney was
in there because he could play in the field, but the time to make the
sub was when it became clear he didn't want to track Pirlo.
--
ciao,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
Bruce D. Scott
Jun 25, 2012, 4:01:39 PM6/25/12
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Futbolmetrix (futbol...@yahoo.com) wrote:
I thought they were a little risk-adverse to step up out of the midfield
and take or set up a shot. Someone runs up the wing and gets open but
the ball goes square instead. I think they'd have scored otherwise.
: We created more high quality chances against Spain.
In fact.
and take or set up a shot. Someone runs up the wing and gets open but
the ball goes square instead. I think they'd have scored otherwise.
: We created more high quality chances against Spain.
In fact.
Sven Mischkies
Jun 25, 2012, 4:39:19 PM6/25/12
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with only the keeper to beat from 5 yards - and those are only the first
two that come to my mind. The finishing has been awful (what is it with
Balotelli that he needs so much time when he has nobody between him and
the keeper?), but the sitter were there.
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 4:52:01 PM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 20:36, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> Actually, zero. I don't think Italy had a single shot that can be
> considered a sitter. And that's where I strongly disagree with Benny's
> assessment of Italy's performance. We had nowhere near the offensive
> fluidity that Germany displayed against Greece.
Yes GREECE.
> Actually, zero. I don't think Italy had a single shot that can be
> considered a sitter. And that's where I strongly disagree with Benny's
> assessment of Italy's performance. We had nowhere near the offensive
> fluidity that Germany displayed against Greece.
Abubakr
Jun 25, 2012, 4:53:07 PM6/25/12
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choice (betraying a lack of confidence). In the first he was played on
and couldn't make up his mind as to what to do when all that was needed
was a quick, direct run at the keeper in acres of space and either
dribble around him or take a shot. Instead he dallied and by the time he
decided to chip the onrushing keeper, the defender had time to get back
and block it. Then he gets another similar chance and over compensates
and tries a low percentage first time volley when a steadying touch
would get him a one-on-one with the keeper inside the penalty area.
Futbolmetrix
Jun 25, 2012, 5:11:52 PM6/25/12
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On 6/25/2012 4:53 PM, Abubakr wrote:
>>
>>
>> Balotelli was clean through at least once, de Rossi (?) was unmarked
>> with only the keeper to beat from 5 yards - and those are only the first
>> two that come to my mind. The finishing has been awful (what is it with
>> Balotelli that he needs so much time when he has nobody between him and
>> the keeper?), but the sitter were there.
>
> He's very indecisive in those positions and ends up making the wrong
> choice (betraying a lack of confidence). In the first he was played on
> and couldn't make up his mind as to what to do when all that was needed
> was a quick, direct run at the keeper in acres of space and either
> dribble around him or take a shot.
I just watched it again, and I disagree. If he had run straight at the
>>
>>
>> Balotelli was clean through at least once, de Rossi (?) was unmarked
>> with only the keeper to beat from 5 yards - and those are only the first
>> two that come to my mind. The finishing has been awful (what is it with
>> Balotelli that he needs so much time when he has nobody between him and
>> the keeper?), but the sitter were there.
>
> He's very indecisive in those positions and ends up making the wrong
> choice (betraying a lack of confidence). In the first he was played on
> and couldn't make up his mind as to what to do when all that was needed
> was a quick, direct run at the keeper in acres of space and either
> dribble around him or take a shot.
goalkeeper, Hart would have closed his angle. He tried to take the ball
wide, and thus allowed Terry to recover. His best bet would have been to
fire straight at goal immediately after the first touch. In any case, I
don't consider that a sitter in the same category as the one-on-one he
fluffed versus Spain, or some of the shots missed by Oezil and Reus
versus Greece.
> Instead he dallied and by the time he
> decided to chip the onrushing keeper, the defender had time to get back
> and block it. Then he gets another similar chance and over compensates
> and tries a low percentage first time volley when a steadying touch
> would get him a one-on-one with the keeper inside the penalty area.
certainly not a "sitter".
D
Futbolmetrix
Jun 25, 2012, 5:13:49 PM6/25/12
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On 6/25/2012 4:39 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> de Rossi (?) was unmarked
> with only the keeper to beat from 5 yards - and those are only the first
> two that come to my mind.
With a looping ball arriving to him from over his shoulder? A missed
> de Rossi (?) was unmarked
> with only the keeper to beat from 5 yards - and those are only the first
> two that come to my mind.
chance, but not a "sitter".
D
Abubakr
Jun 25, 2012, 5:43:36 PM6/25/12
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On 26/06/2012 7:11 AM, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On 6/25/2012 4:53 PM, Abubakr wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Balotelli was clean through at least once, de Rossi (?) was unmarked
>>> with only the keeper to beat from 5 yards - and those are only the first
>>> two that come to my mind. The finishing has been awful (what is it with
>>> Balotelli that he needs so much time when he has nobody between him and
>>> the keeper?), but the sitter were there.
>>
>> He's very indecisive in those positions and ends up making the wrong
>> choice (betraying a lack of confidence). In the first he was played on
>> and couldn't make up his mind as to what to do when all that was needed
>> was a quick, direct run at the keeper in acres of space and either
>> dribble around him or take a shot.
>
> I just watched it again, and I disagree. If he had run straight at the
> goalkeeper, Hart would have closed his angle.
Not always a bad thing. You can get around him and Hart would've been
> On 6/25/2012 4:53 PM, Abubakr wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Balotelli was clean through at least once, de Rossi (?) was unmarked
>>> with only the keeper to beat from 5 yards - and those are only the first
>>> two that come to my mind. The finishing has been awful (what is it with
>>> Balotelli that he needs so much time when he has nobody between him and
>>> the keeper?), but the sitter were there.
>>
>> He's very indecisive in those positions and ends up making the wrong
>> choice (betraying a lack of confidence). In the first he was played on
>> and couldn't make up his mind as to what to do when all that was needed
>> was a quick, direct run at the keeper in acres of space and either
>> dribble around him or take a shot.
>
> I just watched it again, and I disagree. If he had run straight at the
> goalkeeper, Hart would have closed his angle.
dangerously close to the edge of the penalty area. And he still would
have had the option to chip.
>He tried to take the ball
> wide, and thus allowed Terry to recover.
decide.
>His best bet would have been to
> fire straight at goal immediately after the first touch.
attempt from there on the second touch.
>In any case, I
> don't consider that a sitter in the same category as the one-on-one he
> fluffed versus Spain, or some of the shots missed by Oezil and Reus
> versus Greece.
>> Instead he dallied and by the time he
>> decided to chip the onrushing keeper, the defender had time to get back
>> and block it. Then he gets another similar chance and over compensates
>> and tries a low percentage first time volley when a steadying touch
>> would get him a one-on-one with the keeper inside the penalty area.
>
> A steadying touch would have allowed the defenders to recover. Again,
> certainly not a "sitter".
defender so a good chance would have put him on goal and a choice places
in the net to slot it into. Again, one expects much better at this
level. Imagine an Aguero or Messi on the end of that ball.
Futbolmetrix
Jun 25, 2012, 9:07:52 PM6/25/12
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On 6/25/2012 5:43 PM, Abubakr wrote:
>
> I meant a good steadying touch, not a bad one! He was a head of his
> defender so a good chance would have put him on goal and a choice places
> in the net to slot it into. Again, one expects much better at this
> level. Imagine an Aguero or Messi on the end of that ball.
Well, we agree on this: if Italy had a Messi or Aguero up front I would
>
> I meant a good steadying touch, not a bad one! He was a head of his
> defender so a good chance would have put him on goal and a choice places
> in the net to slot it into. Again, one expects much better at this
> level. Imagine an Aguero or Messi on the end of that ball.
be much more optimistic about their chances!
D
Forssberg
Jun 25, 2012, 9:45:09 PM6/25/12
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On Monday, June 25, 2012 12:45:00 PM UTC-4, Benny wrote:
> On 25/06/2012 14:42, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> >
> > Then how does Italy vs England count?
> >
> >
> > Ciao,
> > SM
> >
>
> England have some of the best defenders in the World. Ireland don't,
> Greece don't, the French don't, the Dutch don't.
> On 25/06/2012 14:42, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> >
> > Then how does Italy vs England count?
> >
> >
> > Ciao,
> > SM
> >
>
> England have some of the best defenders in the World. Ireland don't,
> Greece don't, the French don't, the Dutch don't.
>
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Yes, England's combination of goalkeeper + defensive line was probably the best in the tournament. Frankly I was amazed at how good Terry still is.
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jk
Jun 25, 2012, 10:22:22 PM6/25/12
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On 6/25/2012 12:43 PM, Benny wrote:
> On 25/06/2012 16:51, Mark V. wrote:
>
> > You were the only one to rate England as high as third best in the
> > tournament in Anders's "You Decide" poll. In your defense, several
> > others ranked them between #4 and #7. Anders and MH and I ranked them
> > #10 through #12, which, after yesterday's display by England turned
> > out to be a more proper assessment of their class.
> >
> > Teams who can make a case for having played better football : Portugal
> > when they defeated the Netherlands. Spain when they played France.
>
> Spain square passed the ball to death and barely troubled the French
> goalkeeper. Spain played like Greece.
>
I actually think that for the first 20 minutes against France Spain
played the most direct, attacking game I've seen from them in a while,
and they also looked as dangerous as they have in a while. (Not
coincidentally, since Villa went out). Once they went up though it was
tika the rest of the way.
> > Sweden when they played France.
>
> A France side that don't carry a threat going forward.
>
> > Germany when they played the Netherlands.
>
> Netherlands 3 losses. Laughably poor defence.
>
> > Remember that if this had been a first round match, Italy would have
> > only earned 1 point.
>
> And there's a world of difference between playing in a group game and in
> the knockout stages.
>
> On 25/06/2012 16:51, Mark V. wrote:
>
> > You were the only one to rate England as high as third best in the
> > tournament in Anders's "You Decide" poll. In your defense, several
> > others ranked them between #4 and #7. Anders and MH and I ranked them
> > #10 through #12, which, after yesterday's display by England turned
> > out to be a more proper assessment of their class.
> >
> > Teams who can make a case for having played better football : Portugal
> > when they defeated the Netherlands. Spain when they played France.
>
> Spain square passed the ball to death and barely troubled the French
> goalkeeper. Spain played like Greece.
>
I actually think that for the first 20 minutes against France Spain
played the most direct, attacking game I've seen from them in a while,
and they also looked as dangerous as they have in a while. (Not
coincidentally, since Villa went out). Once they went up though it was
tika the rest of the way.
> > Sweden when they played France.
>
> A France side that don't carry a threat going forward.
>
> > Germany when they played the Netherlands.
>
> Netherlands 3 losses. Laughably poor defence.
>
> > Remember that if this had been a first round match, Italy would have
> > only earned 1 point.
>
> And there's a world of difference between playing in a group game and in
> the knockout stages.
>
Diabolik
Jun 25, 2012, 10:57:09 PM6/25/12
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His reaction tells the story.
Diabolik
Jun 25, 2012, 10:58:49 PM6/25/12
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were half chances, and would have been great goals if he had scored.
Futbolmetrix
Jun 28, 2012, 9:24:29 PM6/28/12
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On 6/25/2012 5:11 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>
> I just watched it again, and I disagree. If he had run straight at the
> goalkeeper, Hart would have closed his angle. He tried to take the ball
> wide, and thus allowed Terry to recover. His best bet would have been to
> fire straight at goal immediately after the first touch.
I'm happy that Balotelli reads RSS and listens to the wise words of
>
> I just watched it again, and I disagree. If he had run straight at the
> goalkeeper, Hart would have closed his angle. He tried to take the ball
> wide, and thus allowed Terry to recover. His best bet would have been to
> fire straight at goal immediately after the first touch.
advice given here. That was some goal!
D
Abubakr
Jun 28, 2012, 11:34:43 PM6/28/12
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not necessarily those of above. The point about this goal was that he
was decisive about what he wanted to do and did it quickly. In this
instance the shot was on because Neuer had stayed on his line. Against
England, Hart was quickly out to the edge of the penalty area and
Balotelli was in two minds as to round him or chip over him, delayed and
then decided to do both in half measures with the inevitable outcome of
failure.
And you see how good these kind of chances are once the forwards gets
behind the defense?
Diabolik
Jun 28, 2012, 11:38:11 PM6/28/12
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So for me it was a half chance.
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