Penalties, penalties, penalties...

[Joachim Parsch]

Hello,

I'd like to hear some opinions on various incidents in
yesterday's match. (no, not the delayed Kreisliga-clash
between SV Unterflockenbach and Tuspo Hühnerhaufen, but
that match in Madrid).

- Real's first penalty + Alaba's yellow: would you have
given both, only the penalty or neither? I think a case can
be made for penalty + yellow, personally I'd prefer no yellow
cards for things like this. Penalty is ok, just don't go into
the cross that way, but the yellow seems a bit harsh, compared
to what Gustavo or Arbeloa got away with in the match.

- Real's second goal: offside, or no? Impossible to judge
for the linesman, of course. I resigned myself to the defeat anyway
after the 2-0, so at that moment I was in no mood to swear at
the ref anyway.

- Bayern's penalty: rather soft. Had Real been awarded such a penalty,
I would have called it a bloody joke, of course ;-) I think it
was what we call a "Konzessionsentscheidung" in Germany. Had
Real not had that penalty at the beginning, the ref wouldn't have
given that one.

- I thought, that Ronaldo's shootout penalty was not that bad. Just
a great save by Neuer. Kroos' shot was rather week. Lahm simply
wanted to to the old trick, the straight high penalty, scoring
against a diving Casillas, but wasn't able to shoot straight enough.
Ramos was obviously influenced by Uli Hoeneß (he earns the title
of a Belgrade penalty taker h.c. for his effort).

After that first two penalties and Bayern being almost there, I will
remember Kroos and Lahm forever for playing cruel games with my
nerves... I thought, I've seen everything, wins and losses in injury
time, wins and losses on penalties, but that one again added some new
dimension.

All in all, I think that Bayern deserved to go through - had Robben,
Gomez or Ribery been a little better/faster/cooler in front of the
goal, the match would have been over at half-time in Bayern's favour.
After being behind 2-0 after 15 minutes, this surely was a great, great
effort by the team. Missing Badstuber in the final is bad, of course,
but with a little luck, Bayern will take that final hurdle. It surely
is an absolutely open match against Chelsea.

There's just one sure thing: I'm getting too old, much too old, for this
kind of match.

Joachim

[Binder Dundat]

On Apr 26, 3:25 am, Joachim Parsch <s...@bunuel.franken.de> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'd like to hear some opinions on various incidents in
> yesterday's match. (no, not the delayed Kreisliga-clash
> between SV Unterflockenbach and Tuspo Hühnerhaufen, but
> that match in Madrid).
>
> - Real's first penalty + Alaba's yellow: would you have
> given both, only the penalty or neither? I think a case can
> be made for penalty + yellow, personally I'd prefer no yellow
> cards for things like this. Penalty is ok, just don't go into
> the cross that way, but the yellow seems a bit harsh, compared
> to what Gustavo or Arbeloa got away with in the match.
>

Terrible call by the ref. No way he was trying to block the ball with
his arms. The ball was not going anywhere near goal or a Real player
anyhow. Terrible yellow card call as well, too bad he will miss the
final.

> - Real's second goal: offside, or no? Impossible to judge
> for the linesman, of course. I resigned myself to the defeat anyway
> after the 2-0, so at that moment I was in no mood to swear at
> the ref anyway.

I only noticed the possible offside on replay. I have no problem with
the goal. Based on the game, even at that moment, I still thought
Bayern would score at least one goal.

>
> - Bayern's penalty: rather soft. Had Real been awarded such a penalty,
> I would have called it a bloody joke, of course ;-) I think it
> was what we call a "Konzessionsentscheidung" in Germany. Had
> Real not had that penalty at the beginning, the ref wouldn't have
> given that one.

That may be true, but it was more of a penalty then the Alaba penalty.

>
> - I thought, that Ronaldo's shootout penalty was not that bad. Just
> a great save by Neuer. Kroos' shot was rather week. Lahm simply
> wanted to to the old trick, the straight high penalty, scoring
> against a diving Casillas, but wasn't able to shoot straight enough.
> Ramos was obviously influenced by Uli Hoeneß (he earns the title
> of a Belgrade penalty taker h.c. for his effort).

Before Ramos took the kick I did say he is a wild player and will miss
by 10 yards ( I really did) On the other hand I was quite sure that
Lahm and Kroos would convert.

>
> After that first two penalties and Bayern being almost there, I will
> remember Kroos and Lahm forever for playing cruel games with my
> nerves... I thought, I've seen everything, wins and losses in injury
> time, wins and losses on penalties, but that one again added some new
> dimension.
>
> All in all, I think that Bayern deserved to go through - had Robben,
> Gomez or Ribery been a little better/faster/cooler in front of the
> goal, the match would have been over at half-time in Bayern's favour.
> After being behind 2-0 after 15 minutes, this surely was a great, great
> effort by the team. Missing Badstuber in the final is bad, of course,
> but with a little luck, Bayern will take that final hurdle. It surely
> is an absolutely open match against Chelsea.

I think Bayern was the better team except for the first 20 minutes or
so of each match when Real came out in typical Bayern fashion. I think
the Real fans were booing most of the game due to all the Bayern
possession and the way Real were playing. The Mou did have one valid
point, in that Bayern had a holiday in the Bundesliga last week,
meanwhile Barca and Real had to play each other.

Super Mario played like a Gomez for both games.

I was a little surprised by the nonchalant way Bayern moved the ball
around in the back, it was a bit risky, but I liked it. Boateng
probably had the best game I have seen him play since his HSV days.

Bayern have to be favourties this time, but I get the feeling Chelsea
are destined to win it this year.

[Sven Mischkies]

Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bayern have to be favourties this time, but I get the feeling Chelsea
> are destined to win it this year.

Yes. Without Terry their defense will allow fewer chances, and with that
amound of luck Chelski has it'd be surprising if Bayern won, despite
Bayern being favourites on paper.


Ciao,
SM
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[Bruce D. Scott]

Sven Mischkies (hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net) wrote:

: Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:

: > Bayern have to be favourties this time, but I get the feeling Chelsea
: > are destined to win it this year.


: Yes. Without Terry their defense will allow fewer chances, and with that
: amound of luck Chelski has it'd be surprising if Bayern won, despite
: Bayern being favourites on paper.

When we played them in the CL the two teams with Europe's best defenses
met, and the result was 11 goals in the tie. Frank Lampard had a
pure-luck deflected goal in the first few minutes of each game.

--
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Bruce

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[FF]

Joachim Parsch wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'd like to hear some opinions on various incidents in
> yesterday's match. (no, not the delayed Kreisliga-clash

> between SV Unterflockenbach and Tuspo H�hnerhaufen, but

> that match in Madrid).
>
> - Real's first penalty + Alaba's yellow: would you have
> given both, only the penalty or neither? I think a case can
> be made for penalty + yellow, personally I'd prefer no yellow
> cards for things like this. Penalty is ok, just don't go into
> the cross that way, but the yellow seems a bit harsh, compared
> to what Gustavo or Arbeloa got away with in the match.

Penalty + YC, as it looked intentional.

> - Real's second goal: offside, or no? Impossible to judge
> for the linesman, of course. I resigned myself to the defeat anyway
> after the 2-0, so at that moment I was in no mood to swear at
> the ref anyway.

I doubt it was offside. It's not easy to judge with the tape in front
of you either. Later on there's a replay where it seems offside but I
think they froze it a tiny fraction of a second too early. In direct
play I looked at it about 20 times and I can't tell if it was or not,
so to me that's a valid goal.

> - Bayern's penalty: rather soft. Had Real been awarded such a penalty,
> I would have called it a bloody joke, of course ;-) I think it
> was what we call a "Konzessionsentscheidung" in Germany. Had
> Real not had that penalty at the beginning, the ref wouldn't have
> given that one.

I also think so. Not that it was because of Real's PK but that it was
rather soft. It wasn't very clear from the replays that there was
something to begin with, though it looked for a moment in one of them
that Gomez was briefly held back. Besides I doubt he would have
reached the ball anyway. That said, it's not clear one way or the
other so I have to give credit to the ref.

There were another 2 PKs IMO, rather soft ones but could have been
given (and I would have given them had I done FairFootball this year),
one for Bayern for a handball in the wall at a free kick, Pepe I
think, just at the end of the 1st half, and one for Real for a foul on
somebody by Neuer in the 2nd ET period. But I guess most refs wouldn't
have called them.

Anyway, didn't like the ref too much. Too many errors and pretty
important ones, 2 or 3 YCs wrongly given, about 5 ones wrongly not
given, at least a wrong offside call against Madrid in a very
dangerous position. But I don't think he favored anybody.