Benitez, 10 reasons not to panic
©N¥ikuli, Williåm©
2. He's shipping out the deadweight. Dudek better start watching out.
3. He's already addressed the width issue.
4. He can obviously work the transfer market. Compare Josemi to Traore. Or
Alonso to Diao. Or Garcia to Cheyrou.
5. He convinced Gerrard to stay. He must've told him something he liked.
6. We're improved on last year. More points at the same stage, and in the
Champions League.
7. Himself and more importantly, Parry & the board have repeatedly said
their willing to give time. Remember Houllier got 6 seasons before people
*really* started getting restless.
8. The football is clearly changing. The full-backs are making runs
up-front, but they're also tracking back. The team is defending higher up
the pitch. Long-ball is starting to be phased out....
9. Youth. He's giving the youth a chance. I know the media has made a lot of
the Spanish arrival, but next season, I think we'll have Warnock, Potter,
Mellor and Ostenboor in the squad along with Gerrard and Carra.
10. The more I think about it, I really do think he's the Spanish Wenger.
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Benny
> From : ©N¥ikuli, Williåm© <spam...@areeverywhere.thesedays>
>1. He's record is proven at the highest levels of club football.
>2. He's shipping out the deadweight. Dudek better start watching out.
>3. He's already addressed the width issue.
>4. He can obviously work the transfer market. Compare Josemi to Traore. Or
>Alonso to Diao. Or Garcia to Cheyrou.
>5. He convinced Gerrard to stay. He must've told him something he liked.
>6. We're improved on last year. More points at the same stage, and in the
>Champions League.
>7. Himself and more importantly, Parry & the board have repeatedly said
>their willing to give time. Remember Houllier got 6 seasons before people
>*really* started getting restless.
>8. The football is clearly changing. The full-backs are making runs
>up-front, but they're also tracking back. The team is defending higher up
>the pitch. Long-ball is starting to be phased out....
>9. Youth. He's giving the youth a chance. I know the media has made a lot of
>the Spanish arrival, but next season, I think we'll have Warnock, Potter,
>Mellor and Ostenboor in the squad along with Gerrard and Carra.
>10. The more I think about it, I really do think he's the Spanish Wenger.
He's made a rod for his own back by only signing Spanish players. Xabi
Alonso and Josemi are fine but Nunez and Garcia were bench warmers at
their clubs, if they're not good enough for Real Madrid and Barca why
are they good enough for Liverpool? Signing French or Dutch players is
one thing but Spaniards travel about as well abroad as English tourists.
I know who the fans will turn on first. Next Wenger? Right now he's the
next Van Gaal. He better get it right and get it right quickly.
"I think you hear me knocking, I think I'm coming in"
http://soccer-europe.com
©N¥ikuli, Williåm©
> He's made a rod for his own back by only signing Spanish players. Xabi
> Alonso and Josemi are fine but Nunez
Is a squad player. Smicer's probably out for the whole season. Many think
Smicer's crap anyway, but I think he doesn't fit a defensive approach. Still
fine as a squad player, but he needs to be replaced.
Nunez, I was worried about. Please, God let him not be a Spanish Cheyrou.
Thing is he was never going to get a game at Real over Figo though.
>and Garcia were bench warmers
I thought Garcia played for Barca well last season?
>if they're not good enough for Real Madrid and Barca why are they good
enough for Liverpool?
You can't always say that. Don't forget, Vieira and Henry weren't good
enough for Milan and Juve. Yes, I know you'll say they had Wenger, but
Benitez lost Mendieta and Lopez, and then under him Baraja, Vincente and
Aimar developed.
> Signing French or Dutch players is one thing but Spaniards travel about as
well abroad as English
> tourists.
Eh. They have a Spanish coach and Spanish teammates.
> I know who the fans will turn on first. Next Wenger? Right
> now he's the next Van Gaal. He better get it right and get it right
> quickly.
Come on, he's not as bad as Van Gaal.
Jimmy
Xabi
> Alonso and Josemi are fine but Nunez and Garcia were bench warmers
at
> their clubs,
Well, Nunez certainly was, and to say he limited first team top flight
experience doesn't even nearly illustrate just how little he's played
at the top level.
Luis Garcia played a large part of last season though, and seemed very
popular among the Barca fans. Whilst searching for a bit of info on
his earlier career days, I stumbled across a couple of Barca forums,
and the fans were seriously pissed off at both the club's decision to
sell him, and also the price.
> I know who the fans will turn on first. Next Wenger? Right now he's
> the next Van Gaal. He better get it right and get it right quickly.
He's not the next anyone at the moment, as he's not been at the club
long enough for any comparisons to be made.
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MH
©N¥ikuli, Williåm© wrote:
> Benny wrote:
>
>
>>He's made a rod for his own back by only signing Spanish players. Xabi
>>Alonso and Josemi are fine but Nunez
>
>
> Is a squad player. Smicer's probably out for the whole season. Many think
> Smicer's crap anyway, but I think he doesn't fit a defensive approach. Still
> fine as a squad player, but he needs to be replaced.
>
> Nunez, I was worried about. Please, God let him not be a Spanish Cheyrou.
> Thing is he was never going to get a game at Real over Figo though.
>
>
>>and Garcia were bench warmers
>
>
> I thought Garcia played for Barca well last season?
He played and scored regularly. he was prefered to Overmars, Quaresma
etc. most of the time. Certainly not a bench warmer.
>
>
>>if they're not good enough for Real Madrid and Barca why are they good
>
> enough for Liverpool?
>
> You can't always say that. Don't forget, Vieira and Henry weren't good
> enough for Milan and Juve. Yes, I know you'll say they had Wenger, but
> Benitez lost Mendieta and Lopez, and then under him Baraja, Vincente and
> Aimar developed.
>
>
>>Signing French or Dutch players is one thing but Spaniards travel about as
>
> well abroad as English
>
>>tourists.
>
Generally Benny has a point. But lots of lesser lights from Spain have
done OK abroad (Nacho Novo etc) so it is not a universal thing.
>
> Eh. They have a Spanish coach and Spanish teammates.
>
This certainly ought to help unless things get too cliquish.
Benny
> From : ©N¥ikuli, Williåm© <spam...@areeverywhere.thesedays>
>I thought Garcia played for Barca well last season?
He did but unless you were a hard-core Barca supporter you would have no
idea who he is and I don't think he has a prayer of making the national
team anytime soon.
>You can't always say that. Don't forget, Vieira and Henry weren't good
>enough for Milan and Juve.
But both were very young and highly rated, these two are in their
mid 20s.
>Come on, he's not as bad as Van Gaal.
He better not sign anymore journeymen Spanish players or he's in
trouble.
Mike
news:+WMUpUBt...@soccer-europe.com...
Hey, Liverpool are not Barca or Madrid.
I'm a Dundee United fan and I'd happily take Liverpool's cast-offs. Why
aren't you happy with Spanish cast-offs?
MH
Benny wrote:
>>Subject : Benitez, 10 reasons not to panic
>>From : ©N¥ikuli, Williåm© <spam...@areeverywhere.thesedays>
>
>
>>I thought Garcia played for Barca well last season?
>
>
> He did but unless you were a hard-core Barca supporter you would have no
> idea who he is and I don't think he has a prayer of making the national
> team anytime soon.
>
Given that Joaquin is younger than he is, as are Vicente and Reyes, and
that Etxeberria and Victor aren't much older, and are ahead in the
pecking order, and that other good young players (Yeste etc) are waiting
in the wings (both literally and figuratively) , that is a very safe
assumption.
However, how many games have Giuly and Rothen, or Beletti for that
matter, played for their countries ? Just because there are very good
players ahead of you in your country's pecking order doesn't mean you
are crap.
BTW I knew Garcia quite well, and I am not a hard core Barca supporter.
Bill
<thedevil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Not anymore, but it wasn't too long ago that they were one of the most
feared teams in Europe.
> I'm a Dundee United fan and I'd happily take Liverpool's cast-offs. Why
> aren't you happy with Spanish cast-offs?
Because that would be an acceptance of being mid table team, and one that
doesn't have a sniff in Europe. Liverpool should be trying to rebuild their
team to conquer Europe again, not signing second rate players.
©N¥ikuli, Williåm©
>> Hey, Liverpool are not Barca or Madrid.
>
> Not anymore, but it wasn't too long ago that they were one of the most
> feared teams in Europe.
Hmmm...
>> I'm a Dundee United fan and I'd happily take Liverpool's cast-offs.
>> Why aren't you happy with Spanish cast-offs?
>
> Because that would be an acceptance of being mid table team, and one
> that doesn't have a sniff in Europe. Liverpool should be trying to
> rebuild their team to conquer Europe again, not signing second rate
> players.
Yeah, we should smash the British transfer record for a world class South
American playmaker from another league.
Benny
>Given that Joaquin is younger than he is, as are Vicente and Reyes, and
>that Etxeberria and Victor aren't much older, and are ahead in the
>pecking order, and that other good young players (Yeste etc) are waiting
>in the wings (both literally and figuratively) , that is a very safe
>assumption.
I know, that's why I said it! Joaquin and Vicente would be out of reach
but surely it wouldn't have been too difficult to sign Etxeberria?
>However, how many games have Giuly and Rothen, or Beletti for that
>matter, played for their countries ? Just because there are very good
>players ahead of you in your country's pecking order doesn't mean you
>are crap.
True.
Benny
> From : ©N¥ikuli, Williåm© <spam...@areeverywhere.thesedays>
>Yeah, we should smash the British transfer record for a world class South
>American playmaker from another league.
Or pay Man City £10-12 million for Wright-Phillips. Liverpool don't need
a playmaker.
Benny
>I'm a Dundee United fan and I'd happily take Liverpool's cast-offs. Why
>aren't you happy with Spanish cast-offs?
I'm not a Liverpool supporter I just think they should aim higher.
©N¥ikuli, Williåm©
>> Yeah, we should smash the British transfer record for a world class
>> South American playmaker from another league.
>
> Or pay Man City £10-12 million for Wright-Phillips.
Spurs are starting to look like his most likely destination, especially if
they start developing steadily under Santini.
>Liverpool don't need a playmaker.
I know. I was taking the piss.
--
Majiin - version²°°³
Mike
Fair enough, but if Nunez and Garcia are better than the current squad then
what's the problem?
©N¥ikuli, Williåm©
> Fair enough, but if Nunez and Garcia are better than the current
> squad then what's the problem?
They're direct replacements for Murphy and Diouf.
naniwadekar
"Benny" <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote -
>
> He's made a rod for his own back by only signing
> Spanish players.
>
I think this is just insurance against possibility of failure via
signing players whom he knows. But too much of recourse
to Spanish players would certainly be a bad sign.
With Man Utd still reasonably well-established, Chelsea
so rich and Arsenal having Wenger, Liverpool's or any
other ambitious challenger's task is cut out. Still, a surprise
plunder of the title is not impossible. Owen could have
done it some year but so far he has delivered less than
what he had promised.
> if they're not good enough for Real Madrid and Barca why
> are they good enough for Liverpool?
>
I think Benitez asked himself that question about Owen
and then let him go. But I am surprised how Owen did
not ask himself whether he would make Real's starting
lineup on a consistent basis. If his hammies keep needing
rest, he will need extra time on top of that to play himself
back into the first team after every lay-off.
Gabbage
wrote:
>
>I know, that's why I said it! Joaquin and Vicente would be out of reach
>but surely it wouldn't have been too difficult to sign Etxeberria?
Hmm. That would have been very interesting indeed.
MH
©N¥ikuli, Williåm© wrote:
> 1. He's record is proven at the highest levels of club football.
> 2. He's shipping out the deadweight. Dudek better start watching out.
> 3. He's already addressed the width issue.
>
Snip.
An interesting parallel for the optimistic Liverpool supporter:
Darryl Sutter (who ? you ask. Coach of the Calgary Flames hockey team
here in town). There was a lot of grumbling when he signed several
players (traded for them, as one does in hockey) like Kiprusoff,
Nieminen, Nilsson etc. whom he knew well from previous teams he had
coached. Turns out he really knew what he was doing - Kiprusoff, as any
Finnish supporter can tell you, has proven himself to be the best GK in
the league, ALL the other trades worked out well in the long-run, and
the Flames, who hadn't even qualified for the playoffs since 1996, went
all the way to the Stanley cup final series which they only (unluckily)
lost in the seventh game (for football supporters this is the equivalent
of a poor (financially) team like Charlton losing the EPL title on goal
difference).
So maybe Benitez really knows what he is doing. I hope so.
Ken Overton
> Darryl Sutter (who ? you ask. Coach of the Calgary Flames hockey team
> here in town). There was a lot of grumbling when he signed several
> players (traded for them, as one does in hockey) like Kiprusoff,
> Nieminen, Nilsson etc. whom he knew well from previous teams he had
> coached.
People were grumbling about those?? Everywhere else in the league
people were smacking themselves at missing those deals, particularly Kipper.
-- kov
MH
Well Kiprusoff wasn't even backup at San Jose when Calgary got him, so
there were indeed sceptics. I doubt anyone was smacking himself until
Kipper started playing well for Calgary.
>
> -- kov
Ken Overton
>
>
> Well Kiprusoff wasn't even backup at San Jose when Calgary got him, so
> there were indeed sceptics. I doubt anyone was smacking himself until
> Kipper started playing well for Calgary.
He'd had a bad year prior, but he wasn't backup? Was that because he's
injured? I distinctly remember in the Prospect mailing lists that the
consensus was great move by Sutter. SJ had their hands tied because
they just had one too many stellar goalie prospects so they had to dish
one for nothing, and it had to go to a team that was looking for youth
rather than success today, which limitted the pool further. Now
certainly his year in Calgary exceeded all of our expectations, but I
thought he was considered to be a solid pickup even at the time.
And Niemo, well he's always been one of my favorites, so perhaps I'm
biased. Love that kind of player on my team, hate him on another.
-- kov
Richard
MH <nopinkstu...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
> An interesting parallel for the optimistic Liverpool supporter:
>
> Darryl Sutter (who ? you ask. Coach of the Calgary Flames hockey team
> here in town). There was a lot of grumbling when he signed several
> players (traded for them, as one does in hockey) like Kiprusoff,
> Nieminen, Nilsson etc. whom he knew well from previous teams he had
> coached. Turns out he really knew what he was doing - Kiprusoff, as any
> Finnish supporter can tell you, has proven himself to be the best GK in
> the league, ALL the other trades worked out well in the long-run, and
> the Flames, who hadn't even qualified for the playoffs since 1996, went
> all the way to the Stanley cup final series which they only (unluckily)
> lost in the seventh game (for football supporters this is the equivalent
> of a poor (financially) team like Charlton losing the EPL title on goal
> difference).
truly amazing. i was a flames fan all my life until my hometown got its
own team, but i still pay attention to them. i still can't believe they
actually did that last year. they were so mediocre before kipper showed
up. imagine what would've happened if they would have stuck with turek.
...on second thought, don't.
-richard
Benny
> From : Mike <thedevil...@hotmail.com>
>Fair enough, but if Nunez and Garcia are better than the current squad then
>what's the problem?
IF.
©N¥ikuli, Williåm©
> So maybe Benitez really knows what he is doing. I hope so.
From soccernet.com:
Benitez defends Spanish influx
Manager Rafael Benitez has defended his policy of the 'Hispanicisation' of
Liverpool following his arrival at the club in the close season.
Liverpool have signed four Spanish players since Benitez moved from Valencia
to Anfield in June, the most recent midfielder Xabi Alonso, signed from Real
Sociedad for almost £11million.
Benitez also attempted to sign Spanish striker Fernando Morientes as part of
the deal that saw Michael Owen head to Real Madrid, though Morientes opted
to stay at The Bernabau.
'I have been accused of killing off the English spirit at Liverpool,'
Benitez told Spanish newspaper AS. 'But I think that is being disrespectful
to the many non-English players who are at the club.
'I've said before that Arsenal had only one Englishman in their starting
line-up and they won the premiership and that the important thing is to win
titles, have quality players and play good football without worrying about
anyone's nationality.
'The Hispanicisation of Liverpool has taken place because in terms of
quality and value for money I've preferred to sign players I know who can be
purchased for a price that is within our budget.
'All the fans are interested in is for Liverpool to win and play
entertaining football.'
Benitez claims he tried to sign England centre back Jonathan Woodgate before
he completed his move from Newcastle United to Real Madrid.
'Woodgate is a very interesting player and I asked Liverpool about signing
him because I was given some excellent references.
'But he was very expensive and the fact that he was injured made us delay a
little and by the time we'd decided to buy him Real had made an offer we
couldn't match.
'I also wanted to include Morientes in the Owen deal to compensate for the
fact that Real were only paying 12 million euros for him, but he didn't come
to Liverpool because he had promised Jose Antonio Camacho that he would
stay.'
--
Majiin - version²°°³
©N¥ikuli, Williåm©
>> Subject : Benitez, 10 reasons not to panic
>> From : Mike <thedevil...@hotmail.com>
>
>> Fair enough, but if Nunez and Garcia are better than the current
>> squad then what's the problem?
>
> IF.
Benny, they're direct replacements for Diouf and Murphy. Nunez can't be any
worse than Diouf, and we'll find out about Garcia soon enough.
Benny
>MH wrote:
>
>> So maybe Benitez really knows what he is doing. I hope so.
>
>From soccernet.com:
>
>Benitez defends Spanish influx
>
>
>Manager Rafael Benitez has defended his policy of the 'Hispanicisation' of
This article has to have been written by an American, in Europe no one
refers to the Spanish as Hispanics.
The Doctor
Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
>> Subject : Benitez, 10 reasons not to panic
>> From : ©N¥ikuli, Williåm© <spam...@areeverywhere.thesedays>
>
>>MH wrote:
>>
>>> So maybe Benitez really knows what he is doing. I hope so.
>>
>>From soccernet.com:
>>
>>Benitez defends Spanish influx
>>
>>
>>Manager Rafael Benitez has defended his policy of the 'Hispanicisation' of
>
>This article has to have been written by an American, in Europe no one
>refers to the Spanish as Hispanics.
>
Damn Yanks!! Their hair should be pulled from their scalp.
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Jim Goloboy
wrote:
>> Subject : Benitez, 10 reasons not to panic
>> From : ©NĄikuli, Williĺm© <spam...@areeverywhere.thesedays>
>
>>MH wrote:
>>
>>> So maybe Benitez really knows what he is doing. I hope so.
>>
>>From soccernet.com:
>>
>>Benitez defends Spanish influx
>>
>>
>>Manager Rafael Benitez has defended his policy of the 'Hispanicisation' of
>
>This article has to have been written by an American, in Europe no one
>refers to the Spanish as Hispanics.
All the translation sites I checked give "to hispancize" for Benitez's
"espańolizar"--presumably their dictionaries give the same thing.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hispanicize
His·pan·i·cize ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-spn-sz)
tr.v. Hi·span·i·cized, Hi·span·i·ciz·ing, Hi·span·i·ciz·es
1. To make Spanish in form, style, or character.
2. To bring under Hispanic influence or control.
Benny
>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hispanicize
>
>His·pan·i·cize ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-spn-sz)
>tr.v. Hi·span·i·cized, Hi·span·i·ciz·ing, Hi·span·i·ciz·es
>1. To make Spanish in form, style, or character.
>2. To bring under Hispanic influence or control.
Yes I know it's the correct term I'm just saying no one uses it in
Europe.
Aegis
"Benny" <Be...@soccer-europe.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:kDlC8KAF...@soccer-europe.com...
> This article has to have been written by an American, in Europe no one
> refers to the Spanish as Hispanics.
In France, we don't refer to the spanish as hispanics anymore, but we still
talk about the hispanic culture or art and we still have the word
hispanisation used
For that matter, there would be no better word than hispanisation here ...
I Don't know in english though
The Dude
>>He's made a rod for his own back by only signing Spanish players.
>
> Xabi
>
>>Alonso and Josemi are fine but Nunez and Garcia were bench warmers
> at their clubs,
>
>
> Well, Nunez certainly was, and to say he limited first team top flight
> experience doesn't even nearly illustrate just how little he's played
> at the top level.
To be fair on this regarding Nunez at Madrid,we have to take into
account the Galacticos policy of selection and the fact that Nunez was
cover for Figo.
Until he appears and shows his mettle we won't know will we but by the
day it's become clear that he was far from first choice for Rafa in the
Owen deal.
> Luis Garcia played a large part of last season though, and seemed very
> popular among the Barca fans. Whilst searching for a bit of info on
> his earlier career days, I stumbled across a couple of Barca forums,
> and the fans were seriously pissed off at both the club's decision to
> sell him, and also the price.
>
>
>>I know who the fans will turn on first. Next Wenger? Right now he's
>>the next Van Gaal. He better get it right and get it right quickly.
>
>
> He's not the next anyone at the moment, as he's not been at the club
> long enough for any comparisons to be made.
3-4 months Rafa has "publicly" stated..I hope that don't become an
albatross or that we have to wait that long before clear signs of
improvement are in place.
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