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Alkamista
Jun 24, 2012, 9:31:18 PM6/24/12
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Is he the English Messi? When was the last time he actually played
well for the NT? Euro 2004?
England were actually a better team before he returned from suspension.
well for the NT? Euro 2004?
England were actually a better team before he returned from suspension.
Forssberg
Jun 24, 2012, 9:45:08 PM6/24/12
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Sven Mischkies
Jun 24, 2012, 10:01:39 PM6/24/12
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No.
> When was the last time he actually played
> well for the NT? Euro 2004?
Yes.
> England were actually a better team before he returned from suspension.
Yes.
Ciao,
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> When was the last time he actually played
> well for the NT? Euro 2004?
> England were actually a better team before he returned from suspension.
Ciao,
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Abubakr
Jun 25, 2012, 12:01:41 AM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 11:31 AM, Alkamista wrote:
> Is he the English Messi?
Messi has scored two hat tricks this year for Argentina.
> Is he the English Messi?
Uncle Dave
Jun 25, 2012, 5:43:16 AM6/25/12
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he was coming on for Rooney because Welbeck had had some success
flicking on long balls from Hart and if they wanted to benefit from such
a desperate tactic that it would be better if Carroll did the flicking
and Welbeck the chasing. Rooney should have been on the bench for both
matches IMHO with Young behind Welbeck, a combination which worked well.
Ho hum. He at least ususally plays his socks off and causes the
opposition some problems, but he might as well have not been on the
pitch most of the game last night...
UD
Mike Hall
Jun 25, 2012, 7:52:25 AM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 02:31, Alkamista wrote:
up on in training. It was unprofessional.
Mike Hall
Diabolik
Jun 25, 2012, 9:43:20 AM6/25/12
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Mike Hall
Jun 25, 2012, 11:59:27 AM6/25/12
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just noticed that my previous comment was ambiguous). Carroll and
Rooney should have started, with Defoe/Walcott to replace Rooney once
his lack-of-fitness level was noticed.
It is not like Roy Hodgson has never been in an international tournament
before, even if he did have little preparation time.
Mike Hall
Sven Mischkies
Jun 25, 2012, 12:54:20 PM6/25/12
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Mike Hall <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 25/06/2012 14:43, Diabolik wrote:
> > On Monday, June 25, 2012 9:52:25 PM UTC+10, Mike Hall wrote:
> >> On 25/06/2012 02:31, Alkamista wrote:
> >>> Is he the English Messi? When was the last time he actually played
> >>> well for the NT? Euro 2004?
> >>>
> >>> England were actually a better team before he returned from suspension.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I am not sure why Wayne Rooney was so unfit, nor why it was not picked
> >> up on in training. It was unprofessional.
> >
> > He wasn't unfit, he lacked match fitness (there's a difference). He
> hasn't played since May so it's understandable
>
> Whichever it was, it was still unprofessional (from the England bench -
> just noticed that my previous comment was ambiguous). Carroll and
> Rooney should have started, with Defoe/Walcott to replace Rooney once
> his lack-of-fitness level was noticed.
I think it's more mental and/or tactical rather than a physical thing.
> On 25/06/2012 14:43, Diabolik wrote:
> > On Monday, June 25, 2012 9:52:25 PM UTC+10, Mike Hall wrote:
> >> On 25/06/2012 02:31, Alkamista wrote:
> >>> Is he the English Messi? When was the last time he actually played
> >>> well for the NT? Euro 2004?
> >>>
> >>> England were actually a better team before he returned from suspension.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I am not sure why Wayne Rooney was so unfit, nor why it was not picked
> >> up on in training. It was unprofessional.
> >
> > He wasn't unfit, he lacked match fitness (there's a difference). He
> hasn't played since May so it's understandable
>
> Whichever it was, it was still unprofessional (from the England bench -
> just noticed that my previous comment was ambiguous). Carroll and
> Rooney should have started, with Defoe/Walcott to replace Rooney once
> his lack-of-fitness level was noticed.
Peluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Benny
Jun 25, 2012, 1:42:00 PM6/25/12
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On 25/06/2012 10:43, Uncle Dave wrote:
> Yeah. I said to Mrs UD when Carroll was waiting to come on that I hoped
> he was coming on for Rooney because Welbeck had had some success
> flicking on long balls from Hart and if they wanted to benefit from such
> a desperate tactic that it would be better if Carroll did the flicking
> and Welbeck the chasing. Rooney should have been on the bench for both
> matches IMHO with Young behind Welbeck, a combination which worked well.
>
> Ho hum. He at least ususally plays his socks off and causes the
> opposition some problems, but he might as well have not been on the
> pitch most of the game last night...
>
> UD
The problem isn't necessarily the forwards, it's a lack of ideas from
> Yeah. I said to Mrs UD when Carroll was waiting to come on that I hoped
> he was coming on for Rooney because Welbeck had had some success
> flicking on long balls from Hart and if they wanted to benefit from such
> a desperate tactic that it would be better if Carroll did the flicking
> and Welbeck the chasing. Rooney should have been on the bench for both
> matches IMHO with Young behind Welbeck, a combination which worked well.
>
> Ho hum. He at least ususally plays his socks off and causes the
> opposition some problems, but he might as well have not been on the
> pitch most of the game last night...
>
> UD
central midfield. Hodgson won't learn a great deal from the qualifiers,
England will get through those with ease. Unless the pace of the EPL
slows down, and it won't, England will be a perpetual top 8 team.
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Google Beta User
Jun 25, 2012, 2:08:45 PM6/25/12
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Its something more than top 8. When did England last beat ANYONE any good in a knockout game?
Sven Mischkies
Jun 25, 2012, 2:58:43 PM6/25/12
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Google Beta User <madr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Its something more than top 8. When did England last beat ANYONE any good
> in a knockout game?
1996 against Spain on penalties, otherwise you're back to 1966, with the
> Its something more than top 8. When did England last beat ANYONE any good
> in a knockout game?
final win aet and wins in 90 minutes over Portugal and Argentina.
Those are the 4 only k.o. wins against top 10 nations, compared to 12
defeats (not counting the two leg Euro games prior to 1980).
All 4 wins on home soil, on neutral/away ground it's 0-11.
Bruce D. Scott
Jun 25, 2012, 3:51:23 PM6/25/12
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Sven Mischkies (hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net) wrote:
Maybe Ecuador but that's stretching it. Belgium Cameroon Paraguay, 2nd
group stage in 1982, then before my time. Wow.
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: Google Beta User <madr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: > Its something more than top 8. When did England last beat ANYONE any good
: > in a knockout game?
: 1996 against Spain on penalties, otherwise you're back to 1966, with the
: final win aet and wins in 90 minutes over Portugal and Argentina.
: Those are the 4 only k.o. wins against top 10 nations, compared to 12
: defeats (not counting the two leg Euro games prior to 1980).
: All 4 wins on home soil, on neutral/away ground it's 0-11.
The last KO win against anybody reasonable was Denmark in 2002 IIRC.
: > Its something more than top 8. When did England last beat ANYONE any good
: > in a knockout game?
: 1996 against Spain on penalties, otherwise you're back to 1966, with the
: final win aet and wins in 90 minutes over Portugal and Argentina.
: Those are the 4 only k.o. wins against top 10 nations, compared to 12
: defeats (not counting the two leg Euro games prior to 1980).
: All 4 wins on home soil, on neutral/away ground it's 0-11.
Maybe Ecuador but that's stretching it. Belgium Cameroon Paraguay, 2nd
group stage in 1982, then before my time. Wow.
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ciao,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
Uncle Dave
Jun 26, 2012, 7:01:37 AM6/26/12
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On 25/06/2012 18:42, Benny wrote:
> On 25/06/2012 10:43, Uncle Dave wrote:
>
> > Yeah. I said to Mrs UD when Carroll was waiting to come on that I hoped
> > he was coming on for Rooney because Welbeck had had some success
> > flicking on long balls from Hart and if they wanted to benefit from such
> > a desperate tactic that it would be better if Carroll did the flicking
> > and Welbeck the chasing. Rooney should have been on the bench for both
> > matches IMHO with Young behind Welbeck, a combination which worked well.
> >
> > Ho hum. He at least ususally plays his socks off and causes the
> > opposition some problems, but he might as well have not been on the
> > pitch most of the game last night...
> >
> > UD
>
> The problem isn't necessarily the forwards, it's a lack of ideas from
> central midfield. Hodgson won't learn a great deal from the qualifiers,
> England will get through those with ease. Unless the pace of the EPL
> slows down, and it won't, England will be a perpetual top 8 team.
Oh I agree 100% about the midfield. I think I said elsewhere that
> On 25/06/2012 10:43, Uncle Dave wrote:
>
> > Yeah. I said to Mrs UD when Carroll was waiting to come on that I hoped
> > he was coming on for Rooney because Welbeck had had some success
> > flicking on long balls from Hart and if they wanted to benefit from such
> > a desperate tactic that it would be better if Carroll did the flicking
> > and Welbeck the chasing. Rooney should have been on the bench for both
> > matches IMHO with Young behind Welbeck, a combination which worked well.
> >
> > Ho hum. He at least ususally plays his socks off and causes the
> > opposition some problems, but he might as well have not been on the
> > pitch most of the game last night...
> >
> > UD
>
> The problem isn't necessarily the forwards, it's a lack of ideas from
> central midfield. Hodgson won't learn a great deal from the qualifiers,
> England will get through those with ease. Unless the pace of the EPL
> slows down, and it won't, England will be a perpetual top 8 team.
there's not much point playing 4-4-2 against top class opposition who
aren't playing that way. England were unable to create because the
midfield was outnumbered and kept too busy defending so the central link
was broken and everything had to go down the flanks where Italy mostly
dominated anyway. That's where Rooney would normally come in - chasing
around snapping at midfielders, coming deep to get the ball, just making
things happen. He wasn't up to it in either game. Can't blame the guy.
He sweats blood for England, but while there was a valid reason to
play him against Ukraine, his performance in that game suggested he
might be better on the bench against Italy...
UD
Jellore
Jun 26, 2012, 8:37:21 AM6/26/12
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On Jun 26, 4:08 am, Google Beta User <madro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Its something more than top 8. When did England last beat ANYONE any good in a knockout game?
It may not have occurred to you but you don't have beat anyone of real
> Its something more than top 8. When did England last beat ANYONE any good in a knockout game?
worth in order to reach the top 8. Breaking into the top 4 is the next
step.
Mark V.
Jun 26, 2012, 8:52:41 AM6/26/12
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Who did Turkey beat to along its path to the top 4 in WC 2002, btb?
What teams did Uruguay beat to get into the top 4 in WC 2010?
Sven Mischkies
Jun 26, 2012, 9:23:32 AM6/26/12
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But that's luck, not talent.
Benny
Jun 26, 2012, 9:59:32 AM6/26/12
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On 26/06/2012 12:01, Uncle Dave wrote:
> Oh I agree 100% about the midfield. I think I said elsewhere that
> there's not much point playing 4-4-2 against top class opposition who
> aren't playing that way. England were unable to create because the
> midfield was outnumbered and kept too busy defending so the central link
> was broken and everything had to go down the flanks where Italy mostly
> dominated anyway. That's where Rooney would normally come in - chasing
> around snapping at midfielders, coming deep to get the ball, just making
> things happen. He wasn't up to it in either game. Can't blame the guy.
> He sweats blood for England, but while there was a valid reason to
> play him against Ukraine, his performance in that game suggested he
> might be better on the bench against Italy...
>
> UD
England should have come into their own against an Italy side that gas
> Oh I agree 100% about the midfield. I think I said elsewhere that
> there's not much point playing 4-4-2 against top class opposition who
> aren't playing that way. England were unable to create because the
> midfield was outnumbered and kept too busy defending so the central link
> was broken and everything had to go down the flanks where Italy mostly
> dominated anyway. That's where Rooney would normally come in - chasing
> around snapping at midfielders, coming deep to get the ball, just making
> things happen. He wasn't up to it in either game. Can't blame the guy.
> He sweats blood for England, but while there was a valid reason to
> play him against Ukraine, his performance in that game suggested he
> might be better on the bench against Italy...
>
> UD
after 60 minutes but they looked even more exhausted. Someone needs to
take a look at their physical preparation. 2 domestic cups doesn't help.
The French, who also have 2 domestic cups, looked equally lethargic.
Many of the key Italian players e.g. the Juventus contingent and De
Rossi, didn't have any European football during the season so are still
fresh.
Sven Mischkies
Jun 26, 2012, 10:56:50 AM6/26/12
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exhaust quicker than your opposition, both physically and mentally.
England just got no respite to recover.
Uncle Dave
Jun 26, 2012, 1:01:05 PM6/26/12
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On 26/06/2012 15:56, Sven Mischkies wrote:
>
> It's not just that. When you have to chase the ball all the time you
> exhaust quicker than your opposition, both physically and mentally.
> England just got no respite to recover.
Exactly. England were outplayed, had little possession and spent the
>
> It's not just that. When you have to chase the ball all the time you
> exhaust quicker than your opposition, both physically and mentally.
> England just got no respite to recover.
night chasing shadows. Whilst I understand why Hodgson went with the
lineup and tactics he did, it was always risky against a technically
adept side. This Italy side aren't the finest technicians, but Pirlo
more than made up for any deficiency.
England are now in a re-building phase. There are some talented young
players out there so let's hope we can be a bit more adventurous in
2014. Assuming we get there ;-)
UD
Chagney Hunt
Jun 26, 2012, 2:13:17 PM6/26/12
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he didn't stick to it.
Futbolmetrix
Jun 26, 2012, 3:18:54 PM6/26/12
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On 6/25/2012 2:58 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> Google Beta User <madr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Its something more than top 8. When did England last beat ANYONE any good
>> in a knockout game?
>
>
> 1996 against Spain on penalties, otherwise you're back to 1966, with the
> final win aet and wins in 90 minutes over Portugal and Argentina.
>
> Those are the 4 only k.o. wins against top 10 nations, compared to 12
> defeats (not counting the two leg Euro games prior to 1980).
I'm not sure who you count as a top 10 nation, but there are lots of
> Google Beta User <madr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Its something more than top 8. When did England last beat ANYONE any good
>> in a knockout game?
>
>
> 1996 against Spain on penalties, otherwise you're back to 1966, with the
> final win aet and wins in 90 minutes over Portugal and Argentina.
>
> Those are the 4 only k.o. wins against top 10 nations, compared to 12
> defeats (not counting the two leg Euro games prior to 1980).
sides whose record against top-10 teams in knockout matches are nothing
to talk home about.
Let's say that the top 12 is
ARG-BRA-ITA-GER-FRA-SPA-NED-ENG-POR-URU-RUS/USSR-MEX (sorry Anders,
Sweden doesn't make the cut)
Here is Italy's record since 1986:
3 wins, 7 draws (3 PK wins, 4 losses), 3 losses
(throw away Uruguay and USSR, and you're 2-7-2)
Germany:
7 wins, 4 draws (4 PK wins, 0 losses), 5 losses
Brazil (only WC, no Copa America)
3 wins, 3 draws (2 PK wins, 1 loss), 4 losses
England:
0 wins, 7 draws (1 PK win, 6 losses), 3 losses
Bruce D. Scott
Jun 26, 2012, 4:49:20 PM6/26/12
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Mark V. (markva...@yahoo.com) wrote:
: On Jun 26, 8:37=A0am, Jellore <jell...@bigpond.com> wrote:
: > On Jun 26, 4:08=A0am, Google Beta User <madro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: > > Its something more than top 8. When did England last beat ANYONE any go=
: od in a knockout game?
the way to the Final in 2002? :-)
: On Jun 26, 8:37=A0am, Jellore <jell...@bigpond.com> wrote:
: > On Jun 26, 4:08=A0am, Google Beta User <madro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: > > Its something more than top 8. When did England last beat ANYONE any go=
: od in a knockout game?
: >
: > It may not have occurred to you but you don't have beat anyone of real
: > worth in order to reach the top 8. Breaking into the top 4 is the next
: > step.
: Hmmm... I thought it was a good question.
: Who did Turkey beat to along its path to the top 4 in WC 2002, btb?
: What teams did Uruguay beat to get into the top 4 in WC 2010?
To follow: what teams did Germany get those anemic 1-0 wins against on
: > It may not have occurred to you but you don't have beat anyone of real
: > worth in order to reach the top 8. Breaking into the top 4 is the next
: > step.
: Hmmm... I thought it was a good question.
: Who did Turkey beat to along its path to the top 4 in WC 2002, btb?
: What teams did Uruguay beat to get into the top 4 in WC 2010?
the way to the Final in 2002? :-)
Bruce D. Scott
Jun 26, 2012, 4:50:56 PM6/26/12
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Sven Mischkies (hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net) wrote:
: Mark V. <markva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > Who did Turkey beat to along its path to the top 4 in WC 2002, btb?
: Mark V. <markva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > Who did Turkey beat to along its path to the top 4 in WC 2002, btb?
: >
: > What teams did Uruguay beat to get into the top 4 in WC 2010?
: Who did Germany beat to get into the top 2 at WC 2002? ;)
: But that's luck, not talent.
Oh I didn't see yours :-) Was that Bernd Scneider's only tournament goal?
: > What teams did Uruguay beat to get into the top 4 in WC 2010?
: Who did Germany beat to get into the top 2 at WC 2002? ;)
: But that's luck, not talent.
Bruce D. Scott
Jun 26, 2012, 5:02:45 PM6/26/12
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Futbolmetrix (futbol...@yahoo.com) wrote:
: Let's say that the top 12 is
1 win (Mex), 2 losses (Bra 1994, Ger 2002)
: Let's say that the top 12 is
: ARG-BRA-ITA-GER-FRA-SPA-NED-ENG-POR-URU-RUS/USSR-MEX (sorry Anders,
: Sweden doesn't make the cut)
: Here is Italy's record since 1986:
: 3 wins, 7 draws (3 PK wins, 4 losses), 3 losses
: (throw away Uruguay and USSR, and you're 2-7-2)
: Germany:
: 7 wins, 4 draws (4 PK wins, 0 losses), 5 losses
: Brazil (only WC, no Copa America)
: 3 wins, 3 draws (2 PK wins, 1 loss), 4 losses
: England:
: 0 wins, 7 draws (1 PK win, 6 losses), 3 losses
USA:
: Sweden doesn't make the cut)
: Here is Italy's record since 1986:
: 3 wins, 7 draws (3 PK wins, 4 losses), 3 losses
: (throw away Uruguay and USSR, and you're 2-7-2)
: Germany:
: 7 wins, 4 draws (4 PK wins, 0 losses), 5 losses
: Brazil (only WC, no Copa America)
: 3 wins, 3 draws (2 PK wins, 1 loss), 4 losses
: England:
: 0 wins, 7 draws (1 PK win, 6 losses), 3 losses
1 win (Mex), 2 losses (Bra 1994, Ger 2002)
Sven Mischkies
Jun 26, 2012, 5:07:11 PM6/26/12
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Futbolmetrix <futbol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 6/25/2012 2:58 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> > Google Beta User <madr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Its something more than top 8. When did England last beat ANYONE any good
> >> in a knockout game?
> >
> >
> > 1996 against Spain on penalties, otherwise you're back to 1966, with the
> > final win aet and wins in 90 minutes over Portugal and Argentina.
> >
> > Those are the 4 only k.o. wins against top 10 nations, compared to 12
> > defeats (not counting the two leg Euro games prior to 1980).
>
> I'm not sure who you count as a top 10 nation, but there are lots of
> sides whose record against top-10 teams in knockout matches are nothing
> to talk home about.
BRA, GER, ITA, ARG, FRA, ESP, NL, URU, POR. Kinda "2 titles or you're
> On 6/25/2012 2:58 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
> > Google Beta User <madr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Its something more than top 8. When did England last beat ANYONE any good
> >> in a knockout game?
> >
> >
> > 1996 against Spain on penalties, otherwise you're back to 1966, with the
> > final win aet and wins in 90 minutes over Portugal and Argentina.
> >
> > Those are the 4 only k.o. wins against top 10 nations, compared to 12
> > defeats (not counting the two leg Euro games prior to 1980).
>
> I'm not sure who you count as a top 10 nation, but there are lots of
> sides whose record against top-10 teams in knockout matches are nothing
> to talk home about.
out", apart from NL (3 WC finals make up for it, and always in the top
10 since about 1974) and POR. The latter mostly for England's benefit,
as they actually beat them once.
> Let's say that the top 12 is
> ARG-BRA-ITA-GER-FRA-SPA-NED-ENG-POR-URU-RUS/USSR-MEX (sorry Anders,
> Sweden doesn't make the cut)
> Here is Italy's record since 1986:
> 3 wins, 7 draws (3 PK wins, 4 losses), 3 losses
> (throw away Uruguay and USSR, and you're 2-7-2)
in keeping Uruguay. Russia did eff all as well. And Mexiko? No idea what
you're on about there.
> Germany:
> 7 wins, 4 draws (4 PK wins, 0 losses), 5 losses
Against the big boys it's 0-4, though. ;)
> Brazil (only WC, no Copa America)
> 3 wins, 3 draws (2 PK wins, 1 loss), 4 losses
Sven Mischkies
Jun 26, 2012, 5:11:03 PM6/26/12
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Bruce D. Scott <b...@ipp-garching.mpg.de> wrote:
> Sven Mischkies (hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net) wrote:
> : Mark V. <markva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> : > Who did Turkey beat to along its path to the top 4 in WC 2002, btb?
> : >
> : > What teams did Uruguay beat to get into the top 4 in WC 2010?
>
>
> : Who did Germany beat to get into the top 2 at WC 2002? ;)
>
> : But that's luck, not talent.
>
> Oh I didn't see yours :-) Was that Bernd Scneider's only tournament goal?
Yes.
> Sven Mischkies (hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net) wrote:
> : Mark V. <markva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> : > Who did Turkey beat to along its path to the top 4 in WC 2002, btb?
> : >
> : > What teams did Uruguay beat to get into the top 4 in WC 2010?
>
>
> : Who did Germany beat to get into the top 2 at WC 2002? ;)
>
> : But that's luck, not talent.
>
> Oh I didn't see yours :-) Was that Bernd Scneider's only tournament goal?
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernd_Schneider_(footballer)#International
_goals>
Jesper Lauridsen
Jun 26, 2012, 6:07:39 PM6/26/12
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On 2012-06-26, Sven Mischkies <hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net> wrote:
3 - 3 (2-1) - 3
The wins are from 1986 (ENG + GER) and 1990 (BRA). The penalty wins are
ITA (1990) and ENG (1998).
So the 1986 final is the last time Argentina beat an UEFA side in a knock
out match in 90/120 minutes.
What this shows is that "knock out matches against quality teams" is a
very thin statistic to base anything on.
> Futbolmetrix <futbol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure who you count as a top 10 nation, but there are lots of
>> sides whose record against top-10 teams in knockout matches are nothing
>> to talk home about.
>
>
> BRA, GER, ITA, ARG, FRA, ESP, NL, URU, POR. Kinda "2 titles or you're
> out", apart from NL (3 WC finals make up for it, and always in the top
> 10 since about 1974) and POR. The latter mostly for England's benefit,
> as they actually beat them once.
Let's try Argentina (and including England in the list):
>>
>> I'm not sure who you count as a top 10 nation, but there are lots of
>> sides whose record against top-10 teams in knockout matches are nothing
>> to talk home about.
>
>
> BRA, GER, ITA, ARG, FRA, ESP, NL, URU, POR. Kinda "2 titles or you're
> out", apart from NL (3 WC finals make up for it, and always in the top
> 10 since about 1974) and POR. The latter mostly for England's benefit,
> as they actually beat them once.
3 - 3 (2-1) - 3
The wins are from 1986 (ENG + GER) and 1990 (BRA). The penalty wins are
ITA (1990) and ENG (1998).
So the 1986 final is the last time Argentina beat an UEFA side in a knock
out match in 90/120 minutes.
What this shows is that "knock out matches against quality teams" is a
very thin statistic to base anything on.
Sven Mischkies
Jun 26, 2012, 6:11:48 PM6/26/12
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Jesper Lauridsen <rors...@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote:
> What this shows is that "knock out matches against quality teams" is a
> very thin statistic to base anything on.
Of course, the sample size is miniscule. But 0-11 is still a funny stat.
> What this shows is that "knock out matches against quality teams" is a
> very thin statistic to base anything on.
;)
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Jun 26, 2012, 8:33:11 PM6/26/12
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anders t (anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com) wrote:
: Quoting Futbolmetrix in rec.sport.soccer:
: >On 6/25/2012 2:58 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
: >Let's say that the top 12 is
: here!
Sweden aren't really a big team, even behind Denmark :-)
: Quoting Futbolmetrix in rec.sport.soccer:
: >On 6/25/2012 2:58 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
: >Let's say that the top 12 is
: >ARG-BRA-ITA-GER-FRA-SPA-NED-ENG-POR-URU-RUS/USSR-MEX (sorry Anders,
: >Sweden doesn't make the cut)
: Just imagine the magnitude of the Sweden bashing in this group if I weren't
: >Sweden doesn't make the cut)
: here!
Sweden aren't really a big team, even behind Denmark :-)
Futbolmetrix
Jun 27, 2012, 11:31:51 AM6/27/12
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On 6/26/2012 5:07 PM, Sven Mischkies wrote:
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> Is that Mexiko? Umm... Why?
They're one of only three teams to make the second round of the WC every
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> Is that Mexiko? Umm... Why?
time since 1994. (Brazil and Germany are the others). Throw out 1990
when they were disqualified, and their streak goes back to 1986.
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Sven Mischkies
Jun 27, 2012, 11:57:04 AM6/27/12
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Most European nations that have had more success (e.g. Sweden, Czech),
aren't that consistent - their talent pool is much smaller. To me
already the inclusion of Portugal in my list was a stretch.
horum...@gmail.com
Jun 27, 2012, 12:29:37 PM6/27/12
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rooney is the
On Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:31:18 PM UTC-7, Alkamista wrote:
> Is he the English Messi? When was the last time he actually played
> well for the NT? Euro 2004?
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> England were actually a better team before he returned from suspension.
yes he is the english star/messi, he got unlucky international team-mate.
On Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:31:18 PM UTC-7, Alkamista wrote:
> Is he the English Messi? When was the last time he actually played
> well for the NT? Euro 2004?
>
> England were actually a better team before he returned from suspension.
yes he is the english star/messi, he got unlucky international team-mate.
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