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From: bronstri%fwi.u...@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Re: Romario
Message-Id: <1993Feb23....@fwi.uva.nl>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 08:29:04 -0500
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
msd...@cs.vu.nl (Loemban Tobing MSD) writes:
>Mischa Bronstring (bron...@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:
>: That's all true! PSV is really handicapped when Romario can't play for them,
>: while the Brazilian coach says that they don't need him! He must be out of
>: his mind! Romario has much better technics than Careca. Romario and Bebeto
>: in the attack, that must be an enjoyment to watch! Romario is a player who
>: scores goals everywhere. The opponent doesn't matter: if it's Dordrecht'90,
>: Porto, Milan, Barcelona or Real Madrid: Romario scores goals. Beatiful goals!
>Ok, I can buy that.
>: Am I the only one on this planet who understands that Romario is a better
>: player than Van Basten?
>But even Romario himself (VI last week) said that VB is better than R.
Did he really? But as we all know from Romario: he says this today,
he says that tomorrow. So probably he knows by now that he's better than
Van Basten.
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From: cba...@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Rangers Match Report
Message-Id: <1993Feb23...@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 08:40:25 -0500
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
In article <1993Feb23...@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cba...@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
+ writes:
> In article <1993Feb22.0...@spider.co.uk>, sco...@spider.co.uk (Scott
+ Jackson) writes:
> If Gough's tackle on Ferguson had been four inches **LOWER** said unsettled
> Utd. player may have sustained severe damage to the ligaments around his knee.
> As this would leave him out of football for some time he woulld be perfectly
> entitled to sue the ageing defender for loss of earnings and consequently said
> defender would be hounded out of Scottish football by a biased East of
+ Scotland
> press and core support.
.......and if John Clark's "tackle" on David Robertson had been a bit
more precise, then young Robbo would certainly have been well on his
way to *the* Los Angeles clinic for major surgery, thus joining the Hall of
Fame of Rangers players who have had a stint there (Ian Durrant, Oleg
Kuznetsov, Brian Reid, Colin Scott). However, "tackle" of the weekend
must be the one made by a Dundee player on Hibs goalkeeper Chris Reid which led
to the goalie being stretchered off. The Dundee player only received a
yellow card but a red would have been justice. Dundee are fast becoming a
team of cluggers and Simple Simon has the cheek to say it was a mis-timed
tackle !!
Footnote:: Did you not see Dick'n'Duncy sharing a laugh after the tackle ?
Just another friendly game...........
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From: msdloem%cs.v...@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Loemban Tobing MSD)
Subject: Re: question about Milan
Message-Id: <C2wMG...@cs.vu.nl>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 08:50:45 -0500
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Timo Partanen (k22...@kyyppari.hkkk.fi) wrote:
: Milan was beaten 0-2 in a friendly game by Athletic Bilbao.
: Is this the only loss of Milan during the past two seasons?
No, Inter beat them in a friendly lasting +/- 45 minutes, Brasil beat
them in a 90 minutes match.
: How Milan was eliminated from Italian cup '91-'92 ? (two draws?)
Home match:
Milan - Juventus Draw ( 0-0 ? )
Away match:
Juventus - Milan Lost (1-0 ? , 1 goal difference, + baresi missed pen.)
: By the way: Real Madrid played 114 successive match without loss (was
: it years '57-'65?). Is it the world record?
Dunno.
: Timo Partanen
Martin.
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From: Steve...@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty)
Subject: Re: SAFC
Message-Id: <C2wJn...@newcastle.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 07:50:07 -0500
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
Dave.A...@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Alderson) writes:
>The match will not be remembered with any affection by Roker full back
>Anthony Smith however. He was stretchered off after 33 mins after a quite
>horrendous tackle from LLewellyn, who was very fortunate not to be sent off
>having already been booked 14 mins. earlier after another bad tackle, again
>on Anthony Smith. How he stayed on the pitch I'll never know, and thereafter
>he and the ref. were constantly booed by the Fulwell end. Smith will be out
>for the rest of the season and has already underwent surgery on his medial
>ligaments in his right knee.
I think cases like this should lead to players being punished after the match
is over when a ref. has been too stupid/biased/whatever to do so during the
game. I saw both tackles, and if an Argentinian or such had done them people
would be saying he wasn't fit to be allowed onto the pitch again.
Steve.
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From: k22...@kyyppari.hkkk.fi (Timo Partanen)
Subject: question about Milan
Message-Id: <k22553.7...@kyyppari.hkkk.fi>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 07:45:04 -0500
Organization: Helsinki School of Economics, Finland
Milan was beaten 0-2 in a friendly game by Athletic Bilbao.
Is this the only loss of Milan during the past two seasons?
How Milan was eliminated from Italian cup '91-'92 ? (two draws?)
By the way: Real Madrid played 114 successive match without loss (was
it years '57-'65?). Is it the world record?
Timo Partanen
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From: scho...@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Alexander Schoemig)
Subject: WC'94: Qualifiers, current standings
Message-Id: <1993Feb23.1...@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:05:47 -0500
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
Group #1:
1.) Swiss 4 14:3 7:1
2.) Italy 3 4:3 4:2
3.) Scottland 4 4:3 4:4
4.) Portugal 2 1:0 3:1
5.) Estonia 2 0:6 1:3
6.) Malta 5 1:9 1:9
Group #2:
1.) Norway 4 15:2 7:1
2.) England 3 11:1 5:1
3.) Poland 2 3:2 3:1
4.) Netherlands 3 6:5 3:3
5.) Turkey 4 5:9 2:6
6.) San Marino 4 1:22 0:8
Group #3:
1.) Spain 5 8:0 7:3
2.) Ireland 4 6:0 6:2
3.) N. Ireland 5 7:4 6:4
4.) Denmark 4 1:0 5:3
5.) Lithuania 5 5:5 5:5
6.) Lettvia 7 3:13 4:10
7.) Albania 6 3:11 3:9
Group #5:
1.) Greece 4 4:0 7:1
2.) Russia 2 3:0 4:0
3.) Hungary 3 4:2 3:3
4.) Iceland 4 2:4 2:6
5.) Luxemburg 3 0:7 0:6
Group #6
1.) Sweden 3 6:1 6:0
2.) France 4 8:3 6:2
3.) Bulgaria 4 7:2 6:2
4.) Austria 2 5:4 2:2
5.) Finland 3 1:6 0:6
6.) Israel 4 3:14 0:8
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From: henr...@white.dfci.harvard.edu (Henrique M. Silva)
Subject: Re: handball question
Message-Id: <930223142...@white.dfci.harvard.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:21:04 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
1 ) The player should've got a red card as well.
2 ) Since the ball is not in play, the attacker should ask the ref if he
could touch the ball. The ref should use "common sense". If he sees
that the shooter is trying to ice the goalie, or delay time, he
+ shoul d receive a yellow card, but the penalty is still taken.
Cheers,
Henrique Silva
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From: Anthony Waller <P85014%BARILVM...@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU>
Subject: Israeli League - Round 21
Message-Id: <93054.125...@BARILVM.BITNET>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 05:53:39 -0500
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Israeli League, Round 21, February 19-20
Att
Bnei Yehuda TA 3 Betar Jerusalem 1 ) 45,000
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 Maccabi Haifa 1 )double header
Betar Tel-Aviv 1 Maccabi Petah-Tikva 1 3,000
Hapoel Be'er-Sheva 2 Maccabi Netanya 1 -
Hapoel Petah-Tikva 1 Tzafririm Holon 0 1,500
Hapoel Haifa 4 Hapoel Tel-Aviv 3 4,000
League Table
Betar Jerusalem 13 3 5 35-28 42
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 11 6 4 47-25 39
Bnei-Yehuda TA 12 3 6 42-33 39
Maccabi Haifa 9 8 4 40-28 35
Hapoel Be'er-Sheva 9 7 5 33-26 34
Hapoel Haifa 8 6 7 26-27 30
Hapoel Tel-Aviv 8 4 9 36-40 28
Maccabi Petah-Tikva 5 9 7 32-32 24
Maccabi Netanya 6 5 10 26-43 23
Tzafririm Holon 5 4 12 29-37 19
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Betar Tel-Aviv 4 5 12 21-39 17
Hapoel Petah-Tikva 4 4 13 23-32 16
Highlights: Nikolai Kodritzki scored a hat-trick in the 1st game of the
big double-header at Ramat-Gan for Bnei-Yehuda against league leaders
Jerusalem. Itzik Zohar played his 1st full game for several months
and equalised for champions Maccabi Tel-Aviv against rivals from Haifa.
Rumours are that several Belgian clubs including Anderlecht are
interested. The championship race is wide open...
Leading Goalscorers
Alon Mizrahi (BY TA) 14
Ivan Getzko (Mac Ha) 12
Constantine Marko (Tz Ho) 11
Meir Melika (Mac TA) 11
Hishaem Zuabi (Hap BS) 11
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From: sp...@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: LOI week 26 results
Message-Id: <1993Feb21.2...@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 17:31:34 -0500
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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I didn't get to a game this weekend.
Cork City moved to the top of the table after beating Limerick 1-0 in a
thriller at Rathbane. Both side played well and ahd good chances. Declan
Roche scored the only goal after 20 minutes.
2 home defeats for Derry and Bohs made it a great day for Cork. Tom McNulty
scored the only goal as Dundalk won in Dalymount. Shels won comfortably 2-0 in
Derry.
Shamrock rovers continued their poor run drawing 0-0 at home to Sligo. Rovers
finished the game with 10 men as Peter Eccles was sent off. Josh Moran
gifted Waterford their first ever win in Bray while Drogheda comfortably
disposed of a demoralised St Pats side.
These are the results from week 26 of the league in IRELAND
Bohemians 0-1 Dundalk
Bray Wanderers 0-1 Waterford
Derry City 0-2 Shelbourne
Drogheda United 2-0 St. Patricks Athletic
Limerick 0-1 Cork City
Shamrock Rovers 0-0 Sligo Rovers
This is the League Table from IRELAND after 26 rounds of matches
Team Name P W D L GF GA PF PA
Cork City 26 14 6 6 40 28 34 18
Bohemians 26 11 11 4 39 15 33 19
Shelbourne 26 12 8 6 46 25 32 20
Derry City 26 10 12 4 21 17 32 20
Dundalk 26 10 11 5 31 26 31 21
Limerick 26 6 13 7 25 21 25 27
Team Name P W D L GF GA PF PA
St. Patricks Athletic 26 5 15 6 21 23 25 27
Shamrock Rovers 26 6 10 10 34 28 22 30
Drogheda United 26 4 13 9 23 34 21 31
Sligo Rovers 26 5 11 10 14 28 21 31
Waterford 26 7 5 14 25 52 19 33
Bray Wanderers 26 3 11 12 15 37 17 35
Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland - sp...@galvia.enet.dec.com
On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful
facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their
relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they
find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
Nick Hornby
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From: sp...@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Football: Ireland 2 Wales 1
Message-Id: <1993Feb21.2...@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 17:32:58 -0500
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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Ireland 2 Wales 1
Ireland snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with a 2-1 win over Wales
on Wednesday night. Ireland fielded a reserve side while Wales were short
a few regulars.
Wales dominated the early exchanges and took the lead after 10 minutes. Packie
Bonner failed to hold a shot and Mark Hughes scored from the rebound. The
makeshift defence had been upset by the departure of David O'Leary with a head
injury. Roy Keane switched to centre back beside Brian Carey. Ronnie Whelan
came on for O'Leary and showed that he still has much of his class if not his
fitness. He lasted until half-time. John Byrne and Tony Cascarino had
chances in the first half but Wales deserved their interval lead.
Wales made the fateful mistake of replacing Eric Young with his Crystal Palace
team-mate Chris Coleman. Young had comfortably contained Cascarino and
had exorcised the memory of the night in Wrexham 2 years ago when Niall Quinn
embarrassed him. The Welsh defence looked very vulnerable in the second
half. Alan McLoughlin ran at the defence after 47 minutes and was hauled
down by Coleman. David Kelly smashed the penalty against the bar. This
compunded a wretched night for the Newcastle player and he was later replaced
by Tommy Coyne. Ireland looked more and more thretening as the game wore
on but most of the fans sensed it was not going to be our night. The Welsh
fans continued to outsing a strangely muted home crowd.
With 15 minutes remaining the breakthrough finally came, John Byrne shot was
saved by Neville Southall but substitute Kevin Sheedy dispatched the rebound
to the empty net. Suddenly there was a new purpose about Ireland. 4 minutes
later Liam O'Brien tried a free kick from 30 yards. His superb strike was
brilliantly saved by Southall but the ever alert Tommy Coyne was first to
the rebound. Slaven and Sheedy could ahve added another couple in the last
10 minutes. Neville Sothall was substitued with a few minutes left and he
left the field to a huge ovation from the Irish fans. He proved yet again why
he is rated one of the top keepers in the world.
It was a good win for Ireland although it was a pointless exercise. Roy
Keane added to his growing reputation. The other regular Packie Bonner
disappointed but he was playing in front of a makeshift defence. Chris Morris
and Eddie McGoldrick both looked ill at ease. Brian Carey looked clumsy at
centre back and has a lot to learn. John Byrne was the best of the midfield
players. liam O'Brien is a lovely footballer but he drifts in and out of
games. Cascarino did OK but Kelly was poor. Tommy Coyne again looked sharp
and the Celtic striker will probably be ont he bench against Northern Ireland.
Albania 1 Northern Ireland 2
Northern Ireland kept their slim hopes of qualifying alive with a hard fought
victory in Tirana. Jim Magilton scored after 14 minutes and alan McDonald
made it 2-0 after 38 minutes. Albania came much more into the game in the
second half. Demulari missed a penalty and Tommy Wright kept the Albanians
at bay. Rakli finally scored a consolation goal seconds from the end. This
was a good win for Northern Ireland but they need to pick up points in
Dublin and Seville to have any chance of qualifying.
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From: tedw...@cam.nad.northrop.com (Tony Edwards)
Subject: World Cup Tickets
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:36:13 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
The following is from memory
I read a article in yesterdays Los Angeles Time
about the sales of World Cup tickets.
30 % of all stadium seats were allocated to
the first inital sales package Alan Rothensberg
says that sales were much better than expected.
Infact he says that for some stadiums they had sold out
the initail alotment of 30% (RFK, Foxboro) and they
were alocating more seats to the privite sales in those
staduims
he also said that the large staduims (ROse Bowl, Stanford)
still had seats available
Tony
{ Long suffering Preston fan }
{ Hoping for a return to the }
{ Glory years of 1889-90 }
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From: wadd...@next08epsl.wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: USA - Russia, lineup?
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:47:40 -0500
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Come on guys, surely one of you out there who attended the match could
post the US lineup and formation. Thanks.
-Dave
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From: faj...@cc.usu.edu
Subject: Re: pele and 4-period games
Message-Id: <1993Feb23.0...@cc.usu.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 08:55:46 -0500
Organization: Utah State University
In article <1mc9ho...@access.digex.com>, al...@access.digex.com (Alex
+ Johnson) writes:
> And, of course, we know that a football game is *never* interrupted.
> Never. We've never seen prima-donna forwards dive and writhe around in
> mock pain for three minutes seeking spurious penalties. We've never seen
> frustrated teams boot the ball into the crowd to stop the action. We've
> never seen keepers bring things to a halt by holding onto to the ball for
> 30 seconds, then punting it into the next county. Oh no. Never.
>
These incidents will happen regardless of what rule changes you made.
The previous poster has a point. We want to keep the flow as smoothly as
possible.
> Somehow, a one- or two-minute break after 22-1/2 minutes of each of half
> just doesn't seem like the end of the world.
Believe me, it is the end of the world :). Why break the game into
quarters ? Will it add more attack to the game ? I doubt it. However, I
have no doubt we will see more TV commercial if we adopt the changes. Of all
the rule changes being thrown around, this is the most "Americanized". It will
change football forever, and for no foresee benefits except maybe more TV
revenues.
Jack Teh
>
> There are a lot of inane suggestions out there to appeal to my
> football-innocent American compatriots. Save your breath for assaults on
> those that matter.
>
>
> --
> Alex Johnson
> Washington, DC
> al...@access.digex.com
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From: collins%prl.phi...@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Donie Collins)
Subject: Re: Romario
Message-Id: <930223143...@hydra.prl.philips.nl>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:36:40 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
> That's all true! PSV is really handicapped when Romario can't play for them,
And sometimes PSV are handicapped when he does play for them !.
> while the Brazilian coach says that they don't need him! He must be out of
> his mind! Romario has much better technics than Careca. Romario and Bebeto
> in the attack, that must be an enjoyment to watch! Romario is a player who
> scores goals everywhere.
Unfortunately Romario is also a player who causes arguments everywhere as well.
It was noticable in Brasil's game against Germany that Renato refused to pass
the ball to Romario. The Brasilian coach threw Romario out of the squad for
causing so much unrest.
He's a great player but you have got to bend your team for him and not all
coaches are prepared to do that.
> Am I the only one on this planet who understands that Romario is a better
> player than Van Basten?
I don't wnat to get into a Romario vs Van Basten argument but Van Basten has
got to be the most overrated player of his generation. OK he is a very good
striker but it's crazy to put him up beside the great players like Cruyff,
Platini and even Gullit (in his glory days). One European player of the year
title would have been enough but three is crazy. In my opinion at this moment
Bergkamp is better than Van Basten.
--
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| Eindhoven. The Netherlands.
/ / / | Dept : CAD Support. Building : WAY. Tel : +31-40-744091.
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From: csg...@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Decker)
Subject: Re: Dalian Atkinson
Message-Id: <C2wpM...@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:59:21 -0500
Organization: Coventry University
In article <930217171...@walrus.dcs.gla.ac.uk> cent...@dcs.gla.ac.uk (
+ centonzs) writes:
>In rec.sport.soccer you write:
>
>|Can someone tell me the nationality of Villa's superb striker
>|Dalian Atkinson. Is he English ?
>
>Yes, he is English. Former clubs - West Bromwich Albion, Sheffield
>Wednesday, and Real Sociadad.
>
And Ipswich!
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From: st...@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Miss T F Wright)
Subject: English/Scottish club news
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 10:44:53 -0500
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Right - more English/Scottish transfer/injury news.
ARSENAL - George Graham has shown more than a passing interest in
Celtic's John Collins.
David O'Leary will be out for a few weeks, if not months after
breaking his cheekbone against Wales.
BLACKBURN - The latest targets for Kenny are Palace's Chris Armstrong,
Nigel Clough of Forest, and that reknown diplomat, Paul
Gascoigne of Lazio.
BRENTFORD - Gary Blisset's proposed move to Sunderland is now off following
the change of management at Roker Park.
CELTIC - Liam Brady is reluctant to lose John Collins, and wants him
to sign a new contract.
A possible transfer target is Cypriot defender Costas Costa,
who was actually born in Glasgow.
CHELSEA - Midfielder Alan Dickens looks set to be given a free transfer.
DUNDEE - Alan Dinnie is ruled out for at least the rest of the season
after suffering cruciate ligament knee damage in the recent
game against Hearts.
Steve Pittman, eligible to play for USA is contacted by their
federation about winning a full cap.
DUNDEE UTD - Victor Ferreya is set to sign for a 1st Division side in his
native Argentina - for around #175,000
EVERTON - Neville Southall could be on his way to Forest, whilst Howard
Kendall joins in the running for David Rocastle
IPSWICH - Clive Baker is set to sign a new 3 year contract.
LEEDS - Howard Kendall has been trying to sign Cameroon defender
Jean-Claude Pagal, but has run into international clearance
problems.
Gary McAllister signs a three year contract.
LEICESTER - Steve Walsh is set to sign a new contract.
LUTON - David Pleat signs Southampton striker Kerry Dixon on loan
for a month.
MAN CITY - Boss Peter Reid signs a new three-and-a-half year contract.
MIDDSBORO - Alan Kernaghan plays a reserve match after 14 weeks out injured.
NEWCASTLE - Are giving a trial to African striker Bachirou Salou,
currently at Borussia Moenchengladbach.
NORWICH - Reported to be interested in Southend's ex-Palace striker
Stan Collymore.
NOTTM FOR - Interested in Partick Thistle defender Davie Irons.
RANGERS - Mark Hateley wants to extend his current contract.
SHEFF WED - Carlton Palmer is wanted by Italian side Atalanta.
SUNDERLAND - Terry Butcher appears keen on Ipswich trialist Lee Howey.
John Colquhoun is staying at Roker Park.
SPURS - Nayim could be on his way to Spanish side Zaragoza.
More soon!!
-----------------------------
Tamsin Wright
st...@csv.warwick.ac.uk
"sitting on top of the world"
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From: J.M....@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross)
Subject: Brugge v. Rangers tickets
Message-Id: <MNEWS.7304...@demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:01:01 -0500
Due to Rangers' policy of selling tickets only to people who travelled to
one of the previous away legs (and then only with a travel package) I have
been unable to obtain tickets for next week's game in Brugge. Is there
anyone in Belgium who can advise me on the likelihood of obtaining tickets
from Club Brugge on the week of the match or is it sold out? Are there
likely to be ticket touts about outside the match?
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From: henr...@white.dfci.harvard.edu (Henrique M. Silva)
Subject: Re: Romario
Message-Id: <930223155...@white.dfci.harvard.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 10:47:15 -0500
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Just adding on about Romario.
I have been getting a lot of mail about Argentina this, Argentina that.
Sergio et all, the only reason why Argentina has won so many Libertadores Cups,
+ is that those championships did not mean much before in Brazil. Sure, we had
+ the Santos of Pele, but that team could not help not win. Whatever they
+ played they
won. Other Brazilian teams are playing the Brasilian championship during
Libertadores cup, so since winning the Brasilian championship was so much
+ important than the Libertadores, and since they already play twice a week,
+ they do not
want to risk their players playing so many games a week. When the Libertadores
starts, they play games on Sundays, tuesdays, Fridays, Mondays, Thurdays. It is
a nightmare, so clubs did not use to risk it. They would field their reserve
+ players during the first round, and if they went on, then they would get
+ serious about it. This mentality started to change on late 70's, early 80's
+ when we had
the great teams of Cruzeiro, of Minas Gerais, the great Flamengo of Zico and
Junior, and the Gremio of Rio Grande do Sul, of Renato Gaucho at its best. These
teams saw that if they win the Libertadores, they could win the World
+ Interclubs,and that meant money. It is true that Argentinian teams have won
+ the most, but
since early 80's, who have been the winners? Just of the top of my head I have
Flamengo twice, Gremio once, then Olympia has won a few times, then Nacional de
Medellin, Sao Paulo, etc. I do not see many Argentinian teams there.
This problem with brasilian teams is because of its organizers. They are
crazy. They have teams playing 70-80 games a year. There is no way they can do
great.
Now, about Romario, which is what I was going to write about in the first
+ place.
I remember Romario when he was playing for Vasco da Gama of Rio. He was
+ always top scorer, but never fancy. He was very efficient, but we had Careca
+ in great shape,
.. So Romario never really got a chance. Then, the South America Cup of 1991(?)
was played in Brazil. Brazil fielded a great team. They started slow, being
+ booed
by the fans in Bahia, and Lazarone was strugling. Than they went to play in Rio,
before a full Maracana. They had Bebeto, and Romario up front. I do not remember
Careca playing then. They played a great match against Argentina in the semis(?)
or finals(?). ( I think the finals was against either Argentina or Uruguay),
+ and that is when Lazarone got the support of everyone. (sic!) Romario and
+ Bebeto
played great, and Romario had this play that I will never forget. He got a ball
crossed from the left side. He chested just outside the box. Without letting
+ the ball hit the ground, hit put the ball over the Argentine defender,chapeu
+ or
sombreiro, the second defender came and he did the same thing, and about the
+ penalty mark, he shot it and missed just wide to the left. It was a great
+ play, and
the great thing about was just hearing the crowed silence when the play happened
and the noise and silence in between. It was great. That is when I knew that
Romario and Bebeto would be great players in the cup. Then disaster stroke it.
Romario had his leg broken just months before the cup. He could not play, and
then disaster stroke again. Lazarone did not play Bebeto at all. Just a few
+ minutes against Costa Rica, and after Argentina scored against Brazil, Bebeto
+ came in for about 10 minutes. And I do not care whether you are Argentine or
+ not, you
should few ashamed of the WC 92 way of playing. It was disgraceful for futebol
that a team playing like that could get to the finals. I do not care whether I
am Brazilian or not, when Brazil plays like shit, I say so. I am behind them,
but if they play like shit, I admit it.
Therefore, I think Romario should be playing, but I respect the coaches
position. We are not there to hear all that shit coming out of Romario's mouth,
and you can only relate if you have played in a team with a wanna-be superstar
who thinks everyone is wrong and he is rigth.
Brasilian teams did great this year. Sao Paulo won the Sao Paulo
+ Championship, the hardest in Brazil. The Libertadores, and the World Cup
+ Interclubs.
Cruzeiro won the Recopa, or Libertadores winners cup. Atletico of Minas Gerais
won the Conmbol, which I have no idea what it is, but is an international
+ tournament, and Flamengo of Rio, and Inter of Porto Alegre are back in the
+ Libertadores
this year, with Sao Paulo who will join them in the second round. So let us wait
and see what happens, before saying that Argentina will be the next WC
+ cahampions, and lets stop leaving in the past.
Go Brasil !!!!!
Go Palmeiras !!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Cheers,
Henrique Silva
henr...@white.dfci.harvard.edu
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From: d...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Subject: Spurs shares
Message-Id: <1993Feb23.1...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 11:12:42 -0500
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London
This might seem like an odd question but....
Does anyone know why Tottenham Hotspur shares rose by 14 points on the
Stock Market yesterday (from 90p to 104p, an increase of more than 15%).
I naturally assumed it meant that Spurs had sold a player for some
humungous sum, or got some planning permission, or some such. But the
only news I could find was that David Howells will miss the rest of the
season! While this may or may not be good news for the company, it's
not that big a deal!!! The shares have been creeping up by a point
every week or so for much of this year and now this big jump. The
business pages say that Spurs' interim results are due later this week,
so perhaps there was a leak (unlike our watertight defence!) I thought
it might be something to do with Amstrad but not much happened to their
shares. Could it be the Premier League sponsorship deal with Bass?
Daniel Cohen Department of Computer Science
Email: d...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk Queen Mary and Westfield College
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From: pcx...@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M.Powell)
Subject: Another sighting! (Ireland)
Message-Id: <1993Feb23.1...@cs.nott.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:59:02 -0500
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
Whilst getting off a train at Sheffield, I almost walked straight into
Jack Charlton, the Ireland team manager. The train was going to Newcastle
and I'm wondering if anyone knows who he might have been going to see.
This sighting occurred at about midday last Saturday, if you can think of
which match he was going to see.
Matt
* Mr.MR.Powell, Chemistry Department, * "WAHEY!" *
* University Park, Nottingham, NG7 2RD * - E. Morecambe *
* ENGLAND * *
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From: csi...@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Dibble)
Subject: Re: England 6 San Marino Village 0
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 11:18:08 -0500
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In article <1993Feb18....@news.columbia.edu> ky...@cunixa.cc.columbia.
+ edu (Kevin Y Lui) writes:
>
>
>
>Can anyone please tell me the line up for England Vs San Marino?
>Thanks in advance.
>
> Kevin Lui
It was as follows.
WOODS
ADAMS WALKER
DIXON DORIGO
PALMER BATTY GASGOINGE BARNES
FERDINAND PLATT
Substitutes*******
SEAMAN, SINTON, MERSON, CLOUGH, STEVEN
Cheers
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From: etlinra%etlxd20...@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU (ian rytina xd/s)
Subject: World Cup Africa
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 12:28:51 -0500
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Does anyone know the results of the African World Cup Group matches last
weekend ? I believe that Ghana v Nigeria was due to be played...
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From: Dave.A...@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Alderson)
Subject: SAFC
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>The match will not be remembered with any affection by Roker full back
>Anthony Smith however. He was stretchered off after 33 mins after a quite
>horrendous tackle from LLewellyn, who was very fortunate not to be sent off
>having already been booked 14 mins. earlier after another bad tackle, again
>on Anthony Smith. How he stayed on the pitch I'll never know, and thereafter
>he and the ref. were constantly booed by the Fulwell end. Smith will be out
>for the rest of the season and has already underwent surgery on his medial
>ligaments in his right knee.
Steve Varty writes:
>I think cases like this should lead to players being punished after the match
>is over when a ref. has been too stupid/biased/whatever to do so during the
>game. I saw both tackles, and if an Argentinian or such had done them people
>would be saying he wasn't fit to be allowed onto the pitch again.
>Steve.
The most annoying aspect of this I think is the attitudes of some referees.
If Llewellyn had shown dissent or swore at the ref. or linesman he would
undoubtedly have been sent off. Now, because he ONLY ended Anthony Smith's
season, and nearly his career, he was told by the ref, "Once more and your
off"!! It seem some of them (refs) think it's worse to kick a player off the
park than have their authority questioned or undermined in any way. This is
absolutely ridiculous. There has got to be more thought given to prefessional
refs., possibly ex players, who know that players careers are more important
than referees egos.
I disagree with you wanting players punished after the game is over though.
I think this will lead to too many serious repercussions that will only be
detrimental to the game. With the amount of money being bandied about in the
game nowadays, surely professional referees, with some accountable body
running them, is the way forward.
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From: Steve...@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty)
Subject: Re: SAFC
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Dave.A...@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Alderson) writes:
>I disagree with you wanting players punished after the game is over though.
>I think this will lead to too many serious repercussions that will only be
>detrimental to the game. With the amount of money being bandied about in the
>game nowadays, surely professional referees, with some accountable body
>running them, is the way forward.
OK, I was a bit OTT, but something must be done about standards (or double
standards) of refs. Making them accountable is a good idea, you are in most
other jobs.
I wonder what Richie Pitt or Bobby Park think when they see tackles like that!
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From: ro...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Roger Z. Rios-Mercado)
Subject: Mexican Football League: 29th Week News
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 14:27:45 -0500
Organization: University of Texas - Austin
----- MEXICAN FOOTBALL LEAGUE: FIRST DIVISION NEWS -----
29th WEEK SCORES (20-22/FB/93)
VERACRUZ VS LEON 0 - 1
MONTERREY VS ATLANTE 1 - 2
First defeat at home for The Gang. Luis Miguel Salvador
scored both for the Iron Colts and became the new scoring
leader.
ATLAS VS MORELIA 1 - 1
The Foxes were uncapable to beat 'Tota's tribe. Trailing
0-1 early in the first half, Atlas put more pressure in
the second period. Luis Flores made the equalizer.
TOLUCA VS PACHUCA 2 - 3
It was it for Toluca's coach Jose Valtonra who got fired
after the game. The Sausage Makers have made only two
points in the last ten games. A golden victory for Pachuca
who keeps the pace with Santos and Queretaro on Highway to Hell.
GUADALAJARA VS U. DE G. 1 - 1
This was the good-bye game for Javier 'Vasco' Aguirre
who will now be assistant of Miguel Mejia Baron in
the national team. Like in last week game against U.A.T.
the Holy Flock saw the victory fly away with five minutes
left. They are still trailing Atlas by three points
searching desperately for a place in the playoffs.
PUEBLA VS U.A.T. 1 - 1
Tragedy at Cuauhtemoc Stadium. The worst team in the
tournament (3 points in 14 away games) came alive
with a draw against Lapuente's boys. Puebla is now
trailing both America and U.N.A.M. by three points
trying to get a wild card spot.
QUERETARO VS U.A.G. 0 - 0
U.N.A.M. VS CRUZ AZUL 1 - 0
David Pati~o buried the Blue Machine. The Cougars are
the best second round team and are looking forward to
reaching Leon Green Paunches in the second place of
Group IV.
SANTOS VS AMERICA 1 - 3
Tough victory for the Eagles in a sold-out at Corona
Stadium. The situation is getting more and more diffi-
cult for the Torreon squad combined with Pachuca's win
and Queretaro's draw.
NECAXA VS U.A.N.L. 2 - 2
Necaxa started the game as if they were to blow the
Tigers out with goals by Vernuncio and Garcia Aspe.
However, U.A.N.L. answered with a header by Carlos
Mu~oz and a beatiful goal by 'Abuelo' Cruz. Excellent
campaign for both sides. Necaxa keeps the first
overall standing, and the Tigers are solid in the
first place of group three.
STANDINGS
GROUP I G F:A PTS
1. Atlante 29 51:42 31
2. Veracruz 29 44:41 28
3. Queretaro 29 19:42 22
4. Santos 29 26:50 20
5. U.A.T. 29 16:45 15
GROUP II
1. Necaxa 29 62:34 42
2. U.A.G. 29 32:21 36
3. America 29 37:38 34
4. Puebla 29 40:42 31
5. Morelia 29 35:44 26
GROUP III
1. U.A.N.L. 29 47:39 34
2. Atlas 29 41:38 30
3. Cruz Azul 29 48:38 29
4. Guadalajara 29 35:38 27
5. U. de G. 29 29:41 25
GROUP IV
1. Monterrey 29 39:27 38
2. Leon 29 51:27 37
3. U.N.A.M. 29 52:42 34
4. Toluca 29 39:43 21
5. Pachuca 29 29:40 20
HIGHWAY TO HELL
PTGE (PTS/GMS) MN
13. U.A.G. 0.9333 ( 98/105) 1
14. Toluca 0.9238 ( 97/105) 2
15. Morelia 0.9143 ( 96/105) 3
16. U. de G. 0.9048 ( 95/105) 4
17. U.A.T. 0.8571 ( 90/105) 9
18. Queretaro 0.7905 ( 83/105) 16
19. Santos 0.7619 ( 80/105)
20. Pachuca 0.6897 ( 20/ 29) 13
The team with the lowest percentage will be
relegated to second division, where
PTGE = Total of points earned from 90-91
through 92-93 divided by the total of
games played from 90-91 through 92-93.
Only regular season first division matches
are considered.
MN = Magic number of points needed to avoid
relegation. Only teams with mathematical
chances are listed.
TOP FIVE HOME SQUADS
G W D L F A PTS
1. Necaxa 14 11 3 0 35 13 25
2. Monterrey 15 8 6 1 25 15 22
3. Leon 14 9 3 2 32 10 21
4. U.N.A.M. 15 9 3 3 31 18 21
5. U.A.G. 15 8 5 2 20 7 21
TOP FIVE AWAY SQUADS
G W D L F A PTS
1. Necaxa 15 7 3 5 27 21 17
2. Leon 15 5 6 4 19 17 16
3. Monterrey 14 5 6 3 14 12 16
4. U.A.N.L. 15 5 5 5 21 20 15
5. U.A.G. 14 4 7 3 12 14 15
OVERALL STANDINGS
G W D L F A PTS
1. Necaxa 29 18 6 5 62 34 42
2. Monterrey 29 13 12 4 39 27 38
3. Leon 29 14 9 6 51 27 37
4. U.A.G. 29 12 12 5 32 21 36
5. U.N.A.M. 29 13 8 8 52 42 34
6. U.A.N.L. 29 11 12 6 47 39 34
7. America 29 13 8 8 37 38 34
8. Atlante 29 11 9 9 51 42 31
9. Puebla 29 11 9 9 40 42 31
10. Atlas 29 11 8 10 41 38 30
11. Cruz Azul 29 11 7 11 48 38 29
12. Veracruz 29 11 6 12 44 41 28
13. Guadalajara 29 9 9 11 35 38 27
14. Morelia 29 8 10 11 35 44 26
15. U. de G. 29 8 9 12 29 41 25
16. Queretaro 29 8 6 15 19 42 22
17. Toluca 29 5 11 13 39 43 21
18. Pachuca 29 7 6 16 29 40 20
19. Santos 29 5 10 14 26 50 20
20. U.A.T. 29 3 9 17 16 45 15
SCORING
22 Luis Miguel Salvador (ATL)
21 Ivo Basay (NEC)
18 Milton Queiroz 'Tita' (LEO)
17 Jorge Comas (VER)
14 Joao Vanderlei (ATS)
Some may not be updated.
30th WEEK FIXTURES (26-28/FB/93)
ATLANTE VS SANTOS
CRUZ AZUL VS TOLUCA
U.A.N.L. VS VERACRUZ
U. DE G. VS PUEBLA
AMERICA VS ATLAS
GUADALAJARA VS QUERETARO
LEON VS U.N.A.M.
MORELIA VS U.A.G.
PACHUCA VS MONTERREY
U.A.T. VS NECAXA
Schedule subject to change.
Cheers!!!!!
Miguel Figueroa-Delgado Roger Z. Rios-Mercado
UT-San Antonio UT-Austin
mfig...@lonestar.utsa.edu ro...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
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From: ramp...@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramprasad Ramakrishna)
Subject: ARGENTINA-BrAZIL soccer/futbol game info
Message-Id: <1993Feb17.1...@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 10:00:30 -0500
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE .....
SEND ME MAIL GIVING ME THE FOLLOWING INFO
WHEN IS THE GAME TIME
PLEASE GIVE TIME ZONE
IS IT ON SOME TV ...........SATELITE OR STATION
I do noty read the latin-america or brazil news groups
so sorry if this is already discussed
thanks
Prasad
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rec.sport.football.pro. I don't know about you and Hamish. Both of
you hit a few keys on the keyboard and cause fifteen stress related
heart attacks over here in the States. That's okay, they need something to
do in the offseason. Now they can sit around in front of the computer
yelling instead of in front of the TV.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ David J. Duffield + "We tend to scoff at the beliefs +
+ pe...@cats.ucsc.edu + of the ancients. But we can't +
+ Univ of CA - Santa Cruz + do it personally, to their faces, +
+ Displaced San Diegan + and this is what annoys me." J.H. +
+ -------------------------------------------------------------------- +
+ The San Diego Teams to love: Sockers, Chargers, Gulls, Padres, and +
+ Vista Storm (SD County Soccer League) +
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From: pa...@boi.hp.com (Paul Rolig)
Subject: Re: handball question
Message-Id: <C2x3C...@boi.hp.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 14:55:44 -0500
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
In article <1mbhg5...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> pe...@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J.
+ Duffield) writes:
>
>In article <C2v8F...@trc.amoco.com> zjp...@hou.amoco.com writes:
>>In article 7...@eagle.natinst.com, chr...@natinst.com (Chris Bartz) writes:
>>>The situation was that the defender was standing on the goal line and
>>>the ball was coming in a couple feet over his head. He had no chance
>>>to head it out but jumped up and knocked it out with his hands. He
>>>
>>A deliberate hand-ball on any part of the pitch should result in a yellow-
+ card.
==========
>>If this deliberate hand-ball is seen to have denied a goal or a definite goal-
+ scoring
>>opportunity then a red card must be shown
>
>Okay, here we go......Let me start by asking a question. How many people
>feel that if a player intentionally handles the ball with his hands (other
=============
>than keeper and all that) that he should be cautioned? For those of you
>who have said yes then you have just said that ANYTIME a referee calls a
>handball it should be a cautionable offense. As with any DFK fouls, thye
>MUST be intentional for them to be considered an infringement of the rules,
>therefore if it is not intentional it is not a whistle.
The key to the above is to distinguish between "intentional" and "deliberate".
In soccer referee circles, "intentional" means just exactly what is written
in the Laws of the Game. However, "deliberate" carries a somewhat stronger
meaning. It implies "malice aforethought". It is sort of the difference
between "deliberate" "first degree murder", planned ahead of time and
disregarding the consequences, versus "intentional" "second degree murder",
done on the spur of the moment, but still against the rules.
It is possible to quibble over how long ahead of time a player might have
planned for committing a "routine" handball at midfield, and over how
little time a player might have had before reacting against a certain goal
with a "spur-of-the-moment" handball. This judgment, if I understand your
point above, is exactly what you were referring to when you objected that
not all intentional handballs should result in a caution. You are correct:
not all intentional handballs deserve a caution, but all DELIBERATE
handballs do deserve a caution, or perhaps even a send-off.
>As for this question. The player should be ejected without question. It
>falls under the "mandatory recomendation" from FIFA which says that a
>defender who intentionally committs a foul so as to stop an obvious goal
>scoring oportunity shall be ejected from the game. I think it could be
>considered Serious Foul Play (I'm not sure of the writeup and don't feel
>that looking it up).
Yes.
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>+ pe...@cats.ucsc.edu + of the ancients. But we can't +
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From: Juergen....@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker)
Subject: German player rankings
Message-Id: <1993Feb23....@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 15:01:10 -0500
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Hi !
Here is the ranking list of all players in the German Bundesliga,
(from Kicker Sportmagazin). The rankings are based on the performance
in the first half season 1992/93 (Bundesliga, Eurocups, National team).
Players must have had at least 9 occurances in the Bundesliga.
Ratings are World Class (W), International Class (I),
Sub-International Class (S).
Goalkeepers:
------------
1. Andy Koepke (Nuernberg) W
2. Uli Stein (Frankfurt) W
3. Eike Immel (Stuttgart) I
4. Oliver Kahn (Karlsruhe) S
5. Stefan Klos (Dortmund) S
6. Bodo Illgner (Koeln) S
7. Ruediger Vollborn (Leverkusen) S
8. Holger Gehrke (Schalke 04) S
9. Richard Golz (HSV) S
10.Raimond Aumann (Bayern) S
Libero (Sweepers):
------------------
1. Rune Bratseth (Bremen) W Norway
2. Olaf Thon (Bayern) I
3. Franco Foda (Leverkusen) S
4. Manfred Binz (Frankfurt) S
5. Michael Kostner (Saarbruecken) S
6. Frank Rohde (HSV) S
Man-to-man defenders:
---------------------
1. Guido Buchwald (Stuttgart) I
2. Thomas Helmer (Bayern) I
3. Oliver Kreuzer (Bayern) I
4. Christian Woerns (Leverkusen) S
5. Uli Borowka (Bremen) S
6. Martin Kree (Leverkusen) S
Defensive midfield, wings:
--------------------------
1. Knut Reinhardt (Dortmund) S
2. Christian Ziege (Bayern) S
3. Luwig Koegl (Stuttgart) S
4. Martin Wagner (K'lautern) S
5. Jorginho (Bayern) S Brasil
6. Thomas Wolter (Bremen) S
7. Manfred Bender (Karlsruhe) S
8. Michael Bueskens (Schalke 04) S
9. Ralf Weber (Frankfurt) S
Defensive midfield, central:
----------------------------
1. Jan Wouters (Bayern) I Netherlands
2. Wolfgang Rolff (Karlsruhe) I
3. Michael Zorc (Dortmund) S
4. Ardrzej Rudy (Koeln) S Poland
5. Lothar Matthaeus (Bayern) S
6. Steffen Freund (Schalke 04) S
Offensive midfield:
-------------------
1. Andreas Herzog (Bremen) I Austria
2. Uwe Bein (Frankfurt) I
3. Hans Dorfner (Nuernberg) S
4. Hans-Uwe Pilz (Dresden) S
5. Ingo Anderbruegge (Schalke 04) S
6. Thomas von Heesen (HSV) S
7. Uwe Wegmann (Bochum) S
Attackers:
----------
1. Stephane Chapuisat (Dortmund) W Switzerland
2. Anthony Yeboah (Frankfurt) I Ghana
3. Andreas Thom (Leverkusen) I
4. Sergej Kirjakow (Karlsruhe) I Russia
5. Flemming Povlsen (Dortmund) S Denmark
6. Eric Wynalda (Saarbruecken) S USA
7. Marcel Witeczek (K'lautern) S
8. Ulf Kirsten (Leverkusen) S
9. Rainer Krieg (Karlsruhe) S
10.Fritz Walter (Stuttgart) S
11.Bruno Labbadia (Bayern) S
Germans in a foreign country:
-----------------------------
International Class:
Juergen Kohler (Juventus) D
Thomas Haessler (Roma) DMW
Andreas Brehme (Saragossa) DMW
Stefan Effenberg (Fiorentina) DMC
Andreas Moeller (Juventus) OM
Thomas Doll (Lazio) OM
Juergen Klinsmann (Monaco) A
Rudi Voeller (Olympique Marseille) A
Sub-International Class:
Matthias Sammer (Inter) OM
Karlheinz Riedle (Lazio) A
Olaf Marschall (Admira/Wacker) A
2nd league rankings next time ...
Bye
Juergen
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From: Juergen....@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker)
Subject: German 2nd Bundesliga player rankings
Message-Id: <1993Feb23....@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 15:02:12 -0500
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Hi !
Here is the ranking list of all players in the 2nd Bundesliga,
(from Kicker Sportmagazin). The rankings are based on the performance
in the first half season 1992/93 (Bundesliga, E.
Players must have had at least 12 occurances in the 2nd Bundesliga.
Kicker divides between outstanding players (which are only listed here)
and remarkable players (about 10 in every category).
Goalkeepers:
------------
1. Claus Reitmaier (Stuttg.Kickers)
2. Tom Eilers (Darmstadt)
3. Perry Braeutigam (Jena)
4. Daniel Hoffmann (Rostock)
5. Maik Kischko (Leipzig)
Libero (Sweepers):
------------------
1. Matthias Lindner (Leipzig)
2. Thomas Schmidt (Freiburg)
3. Uwe Szangolies (Jena)
4. Juergen Niggemann (Fort.Koeln)
5. Norbert Nachtweih (Mannheim)
Man-to-man defenders:
---------------------
1. Thomas Seeliger (Freiburg)
2. Thorsten Kracht (Leipzig)
3. Alfred Nijhuis (Duisburg) Netherlands
4. Thorsten Wohlert (Mannheim)
5. Vlado Kasalo (Mainz) Croatia
6. Heiko Maerz (Rostock)
7. Eckhard Vorholt (Meppen)
Defensive midfield, wings:
--------------------------
1. Dirk Lottner (Fort.Koeln)
2. Martin Braun (Freiburg)
3. Thomas Gerstner (Oldenburg)
4. Knut Hartwig (Wuppertal)
Defensive midfield, central:
----------------------------
1. Jens Todt (Freiburg)
2. Waldemar Ksienzyk (Wuppertal) Poland ?
3. Axel Sundermann (Hannover)
4. Muhammed Mahjoubi (Braunschweig) Marocco
Offensive midfield:
-------------------
1. Maximilian Heidenreich (Freiburg)
2. Claus-Dieter Wollitz (Osnabrueck)
3. Andreas Zeyer (Freiburg)
4. Steffen Heidrich (Chemnitz)
5. Rodolfo Cardoso (Homburg) Argentina
6. Uwe Weidemann (Mannheim)
7. Andrzej Buncol (Duesseldorf) Poland
8. Daniel Jurgeleit (Homburg)
9. Josef Menke (Meppen)
Attackers:
----------
1. Uwe Spies (Freiburg)
2. Bernd Hobsch (Leipzig)
3. Radek Drulak (Oldenburg) Czechey/Slovakia ?
4. Holger Aden (Braunschweig)
5. Siegfried Reich (Wolfsburg)
6. Roy Praeger (Fort.Koeln)
7. Thomas Epp (Stuttg.Kickers)
Clubs sorted by number of occurances:
7 SC Freiburg
4 VfB Leipzig
3 Fortuna Koeln, Waldhof Mannheim
2 Stuttg.Kickers, Jena, Rostock, SV Meppen, VfB Oldenburg, Wuppertaler SV,
Eintr.Braunschweig, FC Homburg
1 Darmstadt 98, MSV Duisburg, Mainz 05, Hannover 96, VfL Osnabrueck,
Chemnitzer FC, Fort.Duesseldorf, VfL Wolfsburg
0 Hertha BSC Berlin, FC St.Pauli, Spvgg Unterhaching, FC Remscheid
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From: nik...@apple.com (NIX)
Subject: Size of playing field
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 15:36:02 -0500
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I just watched the USA - Russia game at Stanford this weekend which ended in
a scoreless draw. It struck me that the field appeared to be smaller than
FIFA regulation size, especially in width. Was I imagining this?
Since most American stadiums have a turf area suitable for American Football,
which requires a smaller field, is this a problem for the World Cup next year?
Or has FIFA and the USSF addressed the issue?
thanks/NIX
p.s. it also appeared that the Stanford ground was too "bouncy"
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Subject: Re: GERMANY - ARGENTINA : 90 WC Final ??????
Message-Id: <1993Feb23....@ucc.su.OZ.AU>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 16:06:27 -0500
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In article <1993Feb19.2...@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> smar...@ssd.comm.mot.
+ com (Mario Smarduch) writes:
> It was on Klinsmann, too bad Germany had to win that way they were the
+ much more
> dominent team.
>
>Mario S.
>
>
Actually, though it may seem like any penalty would have to go to
Klinsmann (along with the judges scores), this particular one went to
Rudi Voeller. There also was a much more obvious penalty disallowed earlier
in the game on Guido Buchwald (I think). At least the right team won.
Thomas the Tank Engine
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Subject: Re: Shirt Changes
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In article <930219140...@picard.cam.nad.northrop.com> tedw...@cam.nad.
+ northrop.com (Tony Edwards) writes:
>>
>I know clubs need money from sponsorship of there shirts but do they
>have to put the ad on the shirts they sell to fans. It looks pathetic
>i remember when my dad sent me a Preston North End yellow away shirt
>over to me here in the US and can you imagine my dissapointment when
>i opened it and saw RIBBLE VALLEY SHELFING written across the front
>with a Logo of a shelf on it. Just what i want to be seen in walking
>around Disneyland. DO clubs in England sell shirts without ads
>
Yes, but the important question is do you want to be seen walking around
Disneyland FULL STOP? (-:
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From: bronstri%fwi.u...@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Re: Romario
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msd...@cs.vu.nl (Loemban Tobing MSD) writes:
>Mischa Bronstring (bron...@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:
>: That's all true! PSV is really handicapped when Romario can't play for them,
>: while the Brazilian coach says that they don't need him! He must be out of
>: his mind! Romario has much better technics than Careca. Romario and Bebeto
>: in the attack, that must be an enjoyment to watch! Romario is a player who
>: scores goals everywhere. The opponent doesn't matter: if it's Dordrecht'90,
>: Porto, Milan, Barcelona or Real Madrid: Romario scores goals. Beatiful goals!
>Ok, I can buy that.
>: Am I the only one on this planet who understands that Romario is a better
>: player than Van Basten?
>But even Romario himself (VI last week) said that VB is better than R.
Did he really? But as we all know from Romario: he says this today,
he says that tomorrow. So probably he knows by now that he's better than
Van Basten.
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1 ) The player should've got a red card as well.
2 ) Since the ball is not in play, the attacker should ask the ref if he
could touch the ball. The ref should use "common sense". If he sees
that the shooter is trying to ice the goalie, or delay time, he
+ shoul d receive a yellow card, but the penalty is still taken.
Cheers,
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From: Anthony Waller <P85014%BARILVM...@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU>
Subject: Israeli League - Round 21
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 05:53:39 -0500
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Israeli League, Round 21, February 19-20
Att
Bnei Yehuda TA 3 Betar Jerusalem 1 ) 45,000
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 Maccabi Haifa 1 )double header
Betar Tel-Aviv 1 Maccabi Petah-Tikva 1 3,000
Hapoel Be'er-Sheva 2 Maccabi Netanya 1 -
Hapoel Petah-Tikva 1 Tzafririm Holon 0 1,500
Hapoel Haifa 4 Hapoel Tel-Aviv 3 4,000
League Table
Betar Jerusalem 13 3 5 35-28 42
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 11 6 4 47-25 39
Bnei-Yehuda TA 12 3 6 42-33 39
Maccabi Haifa 9 8 4 40-28 35
Hapoel Be'er-Sheva 9 7 5 33-26 34
Hapoel Haifa 8 6 7 26-27 30
Hapoel Tel-Aviv 8 4 9 36-40 28
Maccabi Petah-Tikva 5 9 7 32-32 24
Maccabi Netanya 6 5 10 26-43 23
Tzafririm Holon 5 4 12 29-37 19
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Betar Tel-Aviv 4 5 12 21-39 17
Hapoel Petah-Tikva 4 4 13 23-32 16
Highlights: Nikolai Kodritzki scored a hat-trick in the 1st game of the
big double-header at Ramat-Gan for Bnei-Yehuda against league leaders
Jerusalem. Itzik Zohar played his 1st full game for several months
and equalised for champions Maccabi Tel-Aviv against rivals from Haifa.
Rumours are that several Belgian clubs including Anderlecht are
interested. The championship race is wide open...
Leading Goalscorers
Alon Mizrahi (BY TA) 14
Ivan Getzko (Mac Ha) 12
Constantine Marko (Tz Ho) 11
Meir Melika (Mac TA) 11
Hishaem Zuabi (Hap BS) 11
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From: sp...@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: LOI week 26 results
Message-Id: <1993Feb21.2...@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 17:31:34 -0500
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--
I didn't get to a game this weekend.
Cork City moved to the top of the table after beating Limerick 1-0 in a
thriller at Rathbane. Both side played well and ahd good chances. Declan
Roche scored the only goal after 20 minutes.
2 home defeats for Derry and Bohs made it a great day for Cork. Tom McNulty
scored the only goal as Dundalk won in Dalymount. Shels won comfortably 2-0 in
Derry.
Shamrock rovers continued their poor run drawing 0-0 at home to Sligo. Rovers
finished the game with 10 men as Peter Eccles was sent off. Josh Moran
gifted Waterford their first ever win in Bray while Drogheda comfortably
disposed of a demoralised St Pats side.
These are the results from week 26 of the league in IRELAND
Bohemians 0-1 Dundalk
Bray Wanderers 0-1 Waterford
Derry City 0-2 Shelbourne
Drogheda United 2-0 St. Patricks Athletic
Limerick 0-1 Cork City
Shamrock Rovers 0-0 Sligo Rovers
This is the League Table from IRELAND after 26 rounds of matches
Team Name P W D L GF GA PF PA
Cork City 26 14 6 6 40 28 34 18
Bohemians 26 11 11 4 39 15 33 19
Shelbourne 26 12 8 6 46 25 32 20
Derry City 26 10 12 4 21 17 32 20
Dundalk 26 10 11 5 31 26 31 21
Limerick 26 6 13 7 25 21 25 27
Team Name P W D L GF GA PF PA
St. Patricks Athletic 26 5 15 6 21 23 25 27
Shamrock Rovers 26 6 10 10 34 28 22 30
Drogheda United 26 4 13 9 23 34 21 31
Sligo Rovers 26 5 11 10 14 28 21 31
Waterford 26 7 5 14 25 52 19 33
Bray Wanderers 26 3 11 12 15 37 17 35
Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland - sp...@galvia.enet.dec.com
On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful
facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their
relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they
find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
Nick Hornby
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From: sp...@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Football: Ireland 2 Wales 1
Message-Id: <1993Feb21.2...@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 17:32:58 -0500
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Ireland 2 Wales 1
Ireland snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with a 2-1 win over Wales
on Wednesday night. Ireland fielded a reserve side while Wales were short
a few regulars.
Wales dominated the early exchanges and took the lead after 10 minutes. Packie
Bonner failed to hold a shot and Mark Hughes scored from the rebound. The
makeshift defence had been upset by the departure of David O'Leary with a head
injury. Roy Keane switched to centre back beside Brian Carey. Ronnie Whelan
came on for O'Leary and showed that he still has much of his class if not his
fitness. He lasted until half-time. John Byrne and Tony Cascarino had
chances in the first half but Wales deserved their interval lead.
Wales made the fateful mistake of replacing Eric Young with his Crystal Palace
team-mate Chris Coleman. Young had comfortably contained Cascarino and
had exorcised the memory of the night in Wrexham 2 years ago when Niall Quinn
embarrassed him. The Welsh defence looked very vulnerable in the second
half. Alan McLoughlin ran at the defence after 47 minutes and was hauled
down by Coleman. David Kelly smashed the penalty against the bar. This
compunded a wretched night for the Newcastle player and he was later replaced
by Tommy Coyne. Ireland looked more and more thretening as the game wore
on but most of the fans sensed it was not going to be our night. The Welsh
fans continued to outsing a strangely muted home crowd.
With 15 minutes remaining the breakthrough finally came, John Byrne shot was
saved by Neville Southall but substitute Kevin Sheedy dispatched the rebound
to the empty net. Suddenly there was a new purpose about Ireland. 4 minutes
later Liam O'Brien tried a free kick from 30 yards. His superb strike was
brilliantly saved by Southall but the ever alert Tommy Coyne was first to
the rebound. Slaven and Sheedy could ahve added another couple in the last
10 minutes. Neville Sothall was substitued with a few minutes left and he
left the field to a huge ovation from the Irish fans. He proved yet again why
he is rated one of the top keepers in the world.
It was a good win for Ireland although it was a pointless exercise. Roy
Keane added to his growing reputation. The other regular Packie Bonner
disappointed but he was playing in front of a makeshift defence. Chris Morris
and Eddie McGoldrick both looked ill at ease. Brian Carey looked clumsy at
centre back and has a lot to learn. John Byrne was the best of the midfield
players. liam O'Brien is a lovely footballer but he drifts in and out of
games. Cascarino did OK but Kelly was poor. Tommy Coyne again looked sharp
and the Celtic striker will probably be ont he bench against Northern Ireland.
Albania 1 Northern Ireland 2
Northern Ireland kept their slim hopes of qualifying alive with a hard fought
victory in Tirana. Jim Magilton scored after 14 minutes and alan McDonald
made it 2-0 after 38 minutes. Albania came much more into the game in the
second half. Demulari missed a penalty and Tommy Wright kept the Albanians
at bay. Rakli finally scored a consolation goal seconds from the end. This
was a good win for Northern Ireland but they need to pick up points in
Dublin and Seville to have any chance of qualifying.
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From: I.T....@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (I.T.Marsh)
Subject: Preston (was World Cup Tickets)
Message-Id: <MNEWS.7304...@demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 11:43:55 -0500
In Message: <930223143...@picard.cam.nad.northrop.com>
tedw...@cam.nad.northrop.com (Tony Edwards) writes:
<stuff deleted about world cup tickets>
>Tony
{ Long suffering Preston fan }
{ Hoping for a return to the }
{ Glory years of 1889-90 }
You might me interested to know that that bastion of classy football, John
Beck, has put the whole of the Preston squad up for sale.
A Bolton fan also hoping for a return to the glory years.
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From: tedw...@cam.nad.northrop.com (Tony Edwards)
Subject: World Cup Tickets
Message-Id: <930223143...@picard.cam.nad.northrop.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:36:13 -0500
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The following is from memory
I read a article in yesterdays Los Angeles Time
about the sales of World Cup tickets.
30 % of all stadium seats were allocated to
the first inital sales package Alan Rothensberg
says that sales were much better than expected.
Infact he says that for some stadiums they had sold out
the initail alotment of 30% (RFK, Foxboro) and they
were alocating more seats to the privite sales in those
staduims
he also said that the large staduims (ROse Bowl, Stanford)
still had seats available
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From: wadd...@next08epsl.wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: USA - Russia, lineup?
Message-Id: <1993Feb23.1...@wam.umd.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:47:40 -0500
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Come on guys, surely one of you out there who attended the match could
post the US lineup and formation. Thanks.
-Dave
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Subject: African World Cup
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 16:15:10 -0500
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From: faj...@cc.usu.edu
Subject: Re: pele and 4-period games
Message-Id: <1993Feb23.0...@cc.usu.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 08:55:46 -0500
Organization: Utah State University
In article <1mc9ho...@access.digex.com>, al...@access.digex.com (Alex
+ Johnson) writes:
> And, of course, we know that a football game is *never* interrupted.
> Never. We've never seen prima-donna forwards dive and writhe around in
> mock pain for three minutes seeking spurious penalties. We've never seen
> frustrated teams boot the ball into the crowd to stop the action. We've
> never seen keepers bring things to a halt by holding onto to the ball for
> 30 seconds, then punting it into the next county. Oh no. Never.
>
These incidents will happen regardless of what rule changes you made.
The previous poster has a point. We want to keep the flow as smoothly as
possible.
> Somehow, a one- or two-minute break after 22-1/2 minutes of each of half
> just doesn't seem like the end of the world.
Believe me, it is the end of the world :). Why break the game into
quarters ? Will it add more attack to the game ? I doubt it. However, I
have no doubt we will see more TV commercial if we adopt the changes. Of all
the rule changes being thrown around, this is the most "Americanized". It will
change football forever, and for no foresee benefits except maybe more TV
revenues.
Jack Teh
>
> There are a lot of inane suggestions out there to appeal to my
> football-innocent American compatriots. Save your breath for assaults on
> those that matter.
>
>
> --
> Alex Johnson
> Washington, DC
> al...@access.digex.com
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From: collins%prl.phi...@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Donie Collins)
Subject: Re: Romario
Message-Id: <930223143...@hydra.prl.philips.nl>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:36:40 -0500
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> That's all true! PSV is really handicapped when Romario can't play for them,
And sometimes PSV are handicapped when he does play for them !.
> while the Brazilian coach says that they don't need him! He must be out of
> his mind! Romario has much better technics than Careca. Romario and Bebeto
> in the attack, that must be an enjoyment to watch! Romario is a player who
> scores goals everywhere.
Unfortunately Romario is also a player who causes arguments everywhere as well.
It was noticable in Brasil's game against Germany that Renato refused to pass
the ball to Romario. The Brasilian coach threw Romario out of the squad for
causing so much unrest.
He's a great player but you have got to bend your team for him and not all
coaches are prepared to do that.
> Am I the only one on this planet who understands that Romario is a better
> player than Van Basten?
I don't wnat to get into a Romario vs Van Basten argument but Van Basten has
got to be the most overrated player of his generation. OK he is a very good
striker but it's crazy to put him up beside the great players like Cruyff,
Platini and even Gullit (in his glory days). One European player of the year
title would have been enough but three is crazy. In my opinion at this moment
Bergkamp is better than Van Basten.
--
Donie Collins | Philips Research Laboratories (Natuurkundig Laboratorium).
| Eindhoven. The Netherlands.
/ / / | Dept : CAD Support. Building : WAY. Tel : +31-40-744091.
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From: csg...@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Decker)
Subject: Re: Dalian Atkinson
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:59:21 -0500
Organization: Coventry University
In article <930217171...@walrus.dcs.gla.ac.uk> cent...@dcs.gla.ac.uk (
+ centonzs) writes:
>In rec.sport.soccer you write:
>
>|Can someone tell me the nationality of Villa's superb striker
>|Dalian Atkinson. Is he English ?
>
>Yes, he is English. Former clubs - West Bromwich Albion, Sheffield
>Wednesday, and Real Sociadad.
>
And Ipswich!
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From: st...@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Miss T F Wright)
Subject: English/Scottish club news
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 10:44:53 -0500
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Right - more English/Scottish transfer/injury news.
ARSENAL - George Graham has shown more than a passing interest in
Celtic's John Collins.
David O'Leary will be out for a few weeks, if not months after
breaking his cheekbone against Wales.
BLACKBURN - The latest targets for Kenny are Palace's Chris Armstrong,
Nigel Clough of Forest, and that reknown diplomat, Paul
Gascoigne of Lazio.
BRENTFORD - Gary Blisset's proposed move to Sunderland is now off following
the change of management at Roker Park.
CELTIC - Liam Brady is reluctant to lose John Collins, and wants him
to sign a new contract.
A possible transfer target is Cypriot defender Costas Costa,
who was actually born in Glasgow.
CHELSEA - Midfielder Alan Dickens looks set to be given a free transfer.
DUNDEE - Alan Dinnie is ruled out for at least the rest of the season
after suffering cruciate ligament knee damage in the recent
game against Hearts.
Steve Pittman, eligible to play for USA is contacted by their
federation about winning a full cap.
DUNDEE UTD - Victor Ferreya is set to sign for a 1st Division side in his
native Argentina - for around #175,000
EVERTON - Neville Southall could be on his way to Forest, whilst Howard
Kendall joins in the running for David Rocastle
IPSWICH - Clive Baker is set to sign a new 3 year contract.
LEEDS - Howard Kendall has been trying to sign Cameroon defender
Jean-Claude Pagal, but has run into international clearance
problems.
Gary McAllister signs a three year contract.
LEICESTER - Steve Walsh is set to sign a new contract.
LUTON - David Pleat signs Southampton striker Kerry Dixon on loan
for a month.
MAN CITY - Boss Peter Reid signs a new three-and-a-half year contract.
MIDDSBORO - Alan Kernaghan plays a reserve match after 14 weeks out injured.
NEWCASTLE - Are giving a trial to African striker Bachirou Salou,
currently at Borussia Moenchengladbach.
NORWICH - Reported to be interested in Southend's ex-Palace striker
Stan Collymore.
NOTTM FOR - Interested in Partick Thistle defender Davie Irons.
RANGERS - Mark Hateley wants to extend his current contract.
SHEFF WED - Carlton Palmer is wanted by Italian side Atalanta.
SUNDERLAND - Terry Butcher appears keen on Ipswich trialist Lee Howey.
John Colquhoun is staying at Roker Park.
SPURS - Nayim could be on his way to Spanish side Zaragoza.
More soon!!
-----------------------------
Tamsin Wright
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"sitting on top of the world"
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From: J.M....@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross)
Subject: Brugge v. Rangers tickets
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:01:01 -0500
Due to Rangers' policy of selling tickets only to people who travelled to
one of the previous away legs (and then only with a travel package) I have
been unable to obtain tickets for next week's game in Brugge. Is there
anyone in Belgium who can advise me on the likelihood of obtaining tickets
from Club Brugge on the week of the match or is it sold out? Are there
likely to be ticket touts about outside the match?
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From: henr...@white.dfci.harvard.edu (Henrique M. Silva)
Subject: Re: Romario
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Just adding on about Romario.
I have been getting a lot of mail about Argentina this, Argentina that.
Sergio et all, the only reason why Argentina has won so many Libertadores Cups,
+ is that those championships did not mean much before in Brazil. Sure, we had
+ the Santos of Pele, but that team could not help not win. Whatever they
+ played they
won. Other Brazilian teams are playing the Brasilian championship during
Libertadores cup, so since winning the Brasilian championship was so much
+ important than the Libertadores, and since they already play twice a week,
+ they do not
want to risk their players playing so many games a week. When the Libertadores
starts, they play games on Sundays, tuesdays, Fridays, Mondays, Thurdays. It is
a nightmare, so clubs did not use to risk it. They would field their reserve
+ players during the first round, and if they went on, then they would get
+ serious about it. This mentality started to change on late 70's, early 80's
+ when we had
the great teams of Cruzeiro, of Minas Gerais, the great Flamengo of Zico and
Junior, and the Gremio of Rio Grande do Sul, of Renato Gaucho at its best. These
teams saw that if they win the Libertadores, they could win the World
+ Interclubs,and that meant money. It is true that Argentinian teams have won
+ the most, but
since early 80's, who have been the winners? Just of the top of my head I have
Flamengo twice, Gremio once, then Olympia has won a few times, then Nacional de
Medellin, Sao Paulo, etc. I do not see many Argentinian teams there.
This problem with brasilian teams is because of its organizers. They are
crazy. They have teams playing 70-80 games a year. There is no way they can do
great.
Now, about Romario, which is what I was going to write about in the first
+ place.
I remember Romario when he was playing for Vasco da Gama of Rio. He was
+ always top scorer, but never fancy. He was very efficient, but we had Careca
+ in great shape,
... So Romario never really got a chance. Then, the South America Cup of 1991(?
was played in Brazil. Brazil fielded a great team. They started slow, being
+ booed
by the fans in Bahia, and Lazarone was strugling. Than they went to play in Rio,
before a full Maracana. They had Bebeto, and Romario up front. I do not remember
Careca playing then. They played a great match against Argentina in the semis(?)
or finals(?). ( I think the finals was against either Argentina or Uruguay),
+ and that is when Lazarone got the support of everyone. (sic!) Romario and
+ Bebeto
played great, and Romario had this play that I will never forget. He got a ball
crossed from the left side. He chested just outside the box. Without letting
+ the ball hit the ground, hit put the ball over the Argentine defender,chapeu
+ or
sombreiro, the second defender came and he did the same thing, and about the
+ penalty mark, he shot it and missed just wide to the left. It was a great
+ play, and
the great thing about was just hearing the crowed silence when the play happened
and the noise and silence in between. It was great. That is when I knew that
Romario and Bebeto would be great players in the cup. Then disaster stroke it.
Romario had his leg broken just months before the cup. He could not play, and
then disaster stroke again. Lazarone did not play Bebeto at all. Just a few
+ minutes against Costa Rica, and after Argentina scored against Brazil, Bebeto
+ came in for about 10 minutes. And I do not care whether you are Argentine or
+ not, you
should few ashamed of the WC 92 way of playing. It was disgraceful for futebol
that a team playing like that could get to the finals. I do not care whether I
am Brazilian or not, when Brazil plays like shit, I say so. I am behind them,
but if they play like shit, I admit it.
Therefore, I think Romario should be playing, but I respect the coaches
position. We are not there to hear all that shit coming out of Romario's mouth,
and you can only relate if you have played in a team with a wanna-be superstar
who thinks everyone is wrong and he is rigth.
Brasilian teams did great this year. Sao Paulo won the Sao Paulo
+ Championship, the hardest in Brazil. The Libertadores, and the World Cup
+ Interclubs.
Cruzeiro won the Recopa, or Libertadores winners cup. Atletico of Minas Gerais
won the Conmbol, which I have no idea what it is, but is an international
+ tournament, and Flamengo of Rio, and Inter of Porto Alegre are back in the
+ Libertadores
this year, with Sao Paulo who will join them in the second round. So let us wait
and see what happens, before saying that Argentina will be the next WC
+ cahampions, and lets stop leaving in the past.
Go Brasil !!!!!
Go Palmeiras !!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Cheers,
Henrique Silva
henr...@white.dfci.harvard.edu
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From: d...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Subject: Spurs shares
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 11:12:42 -0500
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This might seem like an odd question but....
Does anyone know why Tottenham Hotspur shares rose by 14 points on the
Stock Market yesterday (from 90p to 104p, an increase of more than 15%).
I naturally assumed it meant that Spurs had sold a player for some
humungous sum, or got some planning permission, or some such. But the
only news I could find was that David Howells will miss the rest of the
season! While this may or may not be good news for the company, it's
not that big a deal!!! The shares have been creeping up by a point
every week or so for much of this year and now this big jump. The
business pages say that Spurs' interim results are due later this week,
so perhaps there was a leak (unlike our watertight defence!) I thought
it might be something to do with Amstrad but not much happened to their
shares. Could it be the Premier League sponsorship deal with Bass?
Daniel Cohen Department of Computer Science
Email: d...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk Queen Mary and Westfield College
Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9 Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
Fax: +44 81 980 6533 *** Glory, Glory, Hallelujah ***
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From: pcx...@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M.Powell)
Subject: Another sighting! (Ireland)
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:59:02 -0500
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Whilst getting off a train at Sheffield, I almost walked straight into
Jack Charlton, the Ireland team manager. The train was going to Newcastle
and I'm wondering if anyone knows who he might have been going to see.
This sighting occurred at about midday last Saturday, if you can think of
which match he was going to see.
Matt
* Mr.MR.Powell, Chemistry Department, * "WAHEY!" *
* University Park, Nottingham, NG7 2RD * - E. Morecambe *
* ENGLAND * *
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In article <1993Feb18....@news.columbia.edu> ky...@cunixa.cc.columbia.
+ edu (Kevin Y Lui) writes:
>
>
>
>Can anyone please tell me the line up for England Vs San Marino?
>Thanks in advance.
>
> Kevin Lui
It was as follows.
WOODS
ADAMS WALKER
DIXON DORIGO
PALMER BATTY GASGOINGE BARNES
FERDINAND PLATT
Substitutes*******
SEAMAN, SINTON, MERSON, CLOUGH, STEVEN
Cheers
DIBBLE
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From: v117...@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ivor G Reid)
Subject: Brazil's soccer team
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 18:37:00 -0500
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Being a Brazillian fan all my life I must say that there has been up
and down times associated with that role. Seeing one disappointment after
another is a hard thing to live with seeing to the fact that while I was
living in Jamaica, more than half of the Jamaican soccer fans routes for
the Brazillian soccer team in the world cup, while the other half routes
for Argentina. The Brazillian team in previous world cups has had very
dissappointing results. This has been highly upsetting for me to the point
where I have been in fights and arguments with fans who are in support of
the Argentinian teams over the years while I was living in Jamaica. It seems
to me that there has been string of bad luck following the Brazillian team
whenever they play in the world. In 1978 they were cheated out of a goal
against Sweden, which in my opinion if the goal was allowed the World Cup final
might have had been a different result if the final was between Argentina and
Brazil. In 1982 Italy with this Polo Rossi demon ended Brazil's hope for that
World Cup. Then in 1986 France defeated Brazil on penalty kicks. But the worse
nightmare of all, Argentina defeating Brazil in the 1990 World Cup. What is
happening to my Brazillian team? Can anybody explain if there is a problem in
organizing the team or what? To me Brazillian soccer style of playing is by
far the best in the world, don't even think of Argentina, there is no
comparison. But overall South American style of playing is more exciting to
watch than European style of playing, but one thing I believe is the problem
with South American teams especially Brazil, they need to score more goals in
their matches instead of relaxing when they are winning. The European teams
seem to be more consistent when it comes to scoring goals, although South
American teams are more skillfull when it comes to scoring goals.
Ivor Reid
SUNY AT BUFFALO (BUFFALO, NY)
P.S. I know that many European teams are adopting South American style of
playing.
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From: etlinra%etlxd20...@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU (ian rytina xd/s)
Subject: World Cup Africa
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 12:28:51 -0500
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Does anyone know the results of the African World Cup Group matches last
weekend ? I believe that Ghana v Nigeria was due to be played...
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From: Steve...@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty)
Subject: Re: SAFC
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 10:03:55 -0500
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
Dave.A...@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Alderson) writes:
>I disagree with you wanting players punished after the game is over though.
>I think this will lead to too many serious repercussions that will only be
>detrimental to the game. With the amount of money being bandied about in the
>game nowadays, surely professional referees, with some accountable body
>running them, is the way forward.
OK, I was a bit OTT, but something must be done about standards (or double
standards) of refs. Making them accountable is a good idea, you are in most
other jobs.
I wonder what Richie Pitt or Bobby Park think when they see tackles like that!
Steve.
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From: Dave.A...@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Alderson)
Subject: SAFC
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:41:05 -0500
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>The match will not be remembered with any affection by Roker full back
>Anthony Smith however. He was stretchered off after 33 mins after a quite
>horrendous tackle from LLewellyn, who was very fortunate not to be sent off
>having already been booked 14 mins. earlier after another bad tackle, again
>on Anthony Smith. How he stayed on the pitch I'll never know, and thereafter
>he and the ref. were constantly booed by the Fulwell end. Smith will be out
>for the rest of the season and has already underwent surgery on his medial
>ligaments in his right knee.
Steve Varty writes:
>I think cases like this should lead to players being punished after the match
>is over when a ref. has been too stupid/biased/whatever to do so during the
>game. I saw both tackles, and if an Argentinian or such had done them people
>would be saying he wasn't fit to be allowed onto the pitch again.
>Steve.
The most annoying aspect of this I think is the attitudes of some referees.
If Llewellyn had shown dissent or swore at the ref. or linesman he would
undoubtedly have been sent off. Now, because he ONLY ended Anthony Smith's
season, and nearly his career, he was told by the ref, "Once more and your
off"!! It seem some of them (refs) think it's worse to kick a player off the
park than have their authority questioned or undermined in any way. This is
absolutely ridiculous. There has got to be more thought given to prefessional
refs., possibly ex players, who know that players careers are more important
than referees egos.
I disagree with you wanting players punished after the game is over though.
I think this will lead to too many serious repercussions that will only be
detrimental to the game. With the amount of money being bandied about in the
game nowadays, surely professional referees, with some accountable body
running them, is the way forward.
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From: cmo...@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: pele and 4-period games
Message-Id: <1993Feb23....@pony.Ingres.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 18:31:42 -0500
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
In article <1mc9ho...@access.digex.com> al...@access.digex.com (Alex Johnson)
+ writes:
>
>And, of course, we know that a football game is *never* interrupted.
>Never. We've never seen prima-donna forwards dive and writhe around in
>mock pain for three minutes seeking spurious penalties. We've never seen
>frustrated teams boot the ball into the crowd to stop the action. We've
>never seen keepers bring things to a halt by holding onto to the ball for
>30 seconds, then punting it into the next county. Oh no. Never.
>
>Somehow, a one- or two-minute break after 22-1/2 minutes of each of half
>just doesn't seem like the end of the world.
>
>There are a lot of inane suggestions out there to appeal to my
>football-innocent American compatriots. Save your breath for assaults on
>those that matter.
>
Exactly the point. Many people see quarters (which, after all, are for
the sole benefit of *American* television - commercial television all
over the world copes with halves) as the thin end of an American wedge
to change the character of the game. And by coincidence, this very morning
I got a "blueprint" from the San Francisco Blackhawks for their vision
of a U.S. "division 1" soccer league. Surprise, surprise it has the
a list of "needed" rules changes:- quarters, kickins, unlimited
substitutions, no offside except within 30 yards of the goal, no
defensive walls, and best of all, keeper not allowed to use his hands
on shots from outside the area...
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From: ro...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Roger Z. Rios-Mercado)
Subject: Mexican Football League: 29th Week News
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 14:27:45 -0500
Organization: University of Texas - Austin
----- MEXICAN FOOTBALL LEAGUE: FIRST DIVISION NEWS -----
29th WEEK SCORES (20-22/FB/93)
VERACRUZ VS LEON 0 - 1
MONTERREY VS ATLANTE 1 - 2
First defeat at home for The Gang. Luis Miguel Salvador
scored both for the Iron Colts and became the new scoring
leader.
ATLAS VS MORELIA 1 - 1
The Foxes were uncapable to beat 'Tota's tribe. Trailing
0-1 early in the first half, Atlas put more pressure in
the second period. Luis Flores made the equalizer.
TOLUCA VS PACHUCA 2 - 3
It was it for Toluca's coach Jose Valtonra who got fired
after the game. The Sausage Makers have made only two
points in the last ten games. A golden victory for Pachuca
who keeps the pace with Santos and Queretaro on Highway to Hell.
GUADALAJARA VS U. DE G. 1 - 1
This was the good-bye game for Javier 'Vasco' Aguirre
who will now be assistant of Miguel Mejia Baron in
the national team. Like in last week game against U.A.T.
the Holy Flock saw the victory fly away with five minutes
left. They are still trailing Atlas by three points
searching desperately for a place in the playoffs.
PUEBLA VS U.A.T. 1 - 1
Tragedy at Cuauhtemoc Stadium. The worst team in the
tournament (3 points in 14 away games) came alive
with a draw against Lapuente's boys. Puebla is now
trailing both America and U.N.A.M. by three points
trying to get a wild card spot.
QUERETARO VS U.A.G. 0 - 0
U.N.A.M. VS CRUZ AZUL 1 - 0
David Pati~o buried the Blue Machine. The Cougars are
the best second round team and are looking forward to
reaching Leon Green Paunches in the second place of
Group IV.
SANTOS VS AMERICA 1 - 3
Tough victory for the Eagles in a sold-out at Corona
Stadium. The situation is getting more and more diffi-
cult for the Torreon squad combined with Pachuca's win
and Queretaro's draw.
NECAXA VS U.A.N.L. 2 - 2
Necaxa started the game as if they were to blow the
Tigers out with goals by Vernuncio and Garcia Aspe.
However, U.A.N.L. answered with a header by Carlos
Mu~oz and a beatiful goal by 'Abuelo' Cruz. Excellent
campaign for both sides. Necaxa keeps the first
overall standing, and the Tigers are solid in the
first place of group three.
STANDINGS
GROUP I G F:A PTS
1. Atlante 29 51:42 31
2. Veracruz 29 44:41 28
3. Queretaro 29 19:42 22
4. Santos 29 26:50 20
5. U.A.T. 29 16:45 15
GROUP II
1. Necaxa 29 62:34 42
2. U.A.G. 29 32:21 36
3. America 29 37:38 34
4. Puebla 29 40:42 31
5. Morelia 29 35:44 26
GROUP III
1. U.A.N.L. 29 47:39 34
2. Atlas 29 41:38 30
3. Cruz Azul 29 48:38 29
4. Guadalajara 29 35:38 27
5. U. de G. 29 29:41 25
GROUP IV
1. Monterrey 29 39:27 38
2. Leon 29 51:27 37
3. U.N.A.M. 29 52:42 34
4. Toluca 29 39:43 21
5. Pachuca 29 29:40 20
HIGHWAY TO HELL
PTGE (PTS/GMS) MN
13. U.A.G. 0.9333 ( 98/105) 1
14. Toluca 0.9238 ( 97/105) 2
15. Morelia 0.9143 ( 96/105) 3
16. U. de G. 0.9048 ( 95/105) 4
17. U.A.T. 0.8571 ( 90/105) 9
18. Queretaro 0.7905 ( 83/105) 16
19. Santos 0.7619 ( 80/105)
20. Pachuca 0.6897 ( 20/ 29) 13
The team with the lowest percentage will be
relegated to second division, where
PTGE = Total of points earned from 90-91
through 92-93 divided by the total of
games played from 90-91 through 92-93.
Only regular season first division matches
are considered.
MN = Magic number of points needed to avoid
relegation. Only teams with mathematical
chances are listed.
TOP FIVE HOME SQUADS
G W D L F A PTS
1. Necaxa 14 11 3 0 35 13 25
2. Monterrey 15 8 6 1 25 15 22
3. Leon 14 9 3 2 32 10 21
4. U.N.A.M. 15 9 3 3 31 18 21
5. U.A.G. 15 8 5 2 20 7 21
TOP FIVE AWAY SQUADS
G W D L F A PTS
1. Necaxa 15 7 3 5 27 21 17
2. Leon 15 5 6 4 19 17 16
3. Monterrey 14 5 6 3 14 12 16
4. U.A.N.L. 15 5 5 5 21 20 15
5. U.A.G. 14 4 7 3 12 14 15
OVERALL STANDINGS
G W D L F A PTS
1. Necaxa 29 18 6 5 62 34 42
2. Monterrey 29 13 12 4 39 27 38
3. Leon 29 14 9 6 51 27 37
4. U.A.G. 29 12 12 5 32 21 36
5. U.N.A.M. 29 13 8 8 52 42 34
6. U.A.N.L. 29 11 12 6 47 39 34
7. America 29 13 8 8 37 38 34
8. Atlante 29 11 9 9 51 42 31
9. Puebla 29 11 9 9 40 42 31
10. Atlas 29 11 8 10 41 38 30
11. Cruz Azul 29 11 7 11 48 38 29
12. Veracruz 29 11 6 12 44 41 28
13. Guadalajara 29 9 9 11 35 38 27
14. Morelia 29 8 10 11 35 44 26
15. U. de G. 29 8 9 12 29 41 25
16. Queretaro 29 8 6 15 19 42 22
17. Toluca 29 5 11 13 39 43 21
18. Pachuca 29 7 6 16 29 40 20
19. Santos 29 5 10 14 26 50 20
20. U.A.T. 29 3 9 17 16 45 15
SCORING
22 Luis Miguel Salvador (ATL)
21 Ivo Basay (NEC)
18 Milton Queiroz 'Tita' (LEO)
17 Jorge Comas (VER)
14 Joao Vanderlei (ATS)
Some may not be updated.
30th WEEK FIXTURES (26-28/FB/93)
ATLANTE VS SANTOS
CRUZ AZUL VS TOLUCA
U.A.N.L. VS VERACRUZ
U. DE G. VS PUEBLA
AMERICA VS ATLAS
GUADALAJARA VS QUERETARO
LEON VS U.N.A.M.
MORELIA VS U.A.G.
PACHUCA VS MONTERREY
U.A.T. VS NECAXA
Schedule subject to change.
Cheers!!!!!
Miguel Figueroa-Delgado Roger Z. Rios-Mercado
UT-San Antonio UT-Austin
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From: sol...@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov)
Subject: Re: Romario
Message-Id: <1993Feb24.0...@cs.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 21:51:34 -0500
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
In article <930223143...@hydra.prl.philips.nl> col...@prl.philips.nl (
+ Donie Collins) writes:
>
>I don't wnat to get into a Romario vs Van Basten argument but Van Basten has
>got to be the most overrated player of his generation. OK he is a very good
>striker but it's crazy to put him up beside the great players like Cruyff,
>Platini and even Gullit (in his glory days).
But Cruyff himself does exactly that...Think about this.
>One European player of the year
>title would have been enough but three is crazy. In my opinion at this moment
>Bergkamp is better than Van Basten.
>
>
>--
>Donie Collins | Philips Research Laboratories (Natuurkundig Laboratorium).
> | Eindhoven. The Netherlands.
> / / / | Dept : CAD Support. Building : WAY. Tel : +31-40-744091.
>Donal O Coileain | e-mail : col...@prl.philips.nl SERI : collins:nlwaya01
Michael.
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From: cav...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Lawrence Cavedon)
Subject: Re: Penalty Query
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 18:25:37 -0500
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J.M....@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:
>The rule is that the keeper must stay on the goal-line in the centre of the
>goal without moving his feet until the ball is kicked.
Of course, by law, the keeper is not supposed to move his feet from
the goal line until the ball is kicked (although he can wave his arms
or jiggle his knees---a la Bruce Grobelar---if he likes). However, my
little interesting contribution is that the keeper doesn't have to
stand in the centre of the goal---a coaching manual I read when I was
a wee lad told how some keeper way back when took the approach of
trying to psych out the penalty taker by standing about only a third
of the way along the line from one of the posts; the penalty taker
could take the option of going for the bigger area, knowing the keeper
would most probably dive that way, or trying to wrong-foot the keeper
and squeeze the ball in the smaller area. Don't know who the keeper
was or how successful his technique proved to be, but it was legal (at
least according to my old coaching manual)!
Lawrence.
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From: ramp...@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramprasad Ramakrishna)
Subject: ARGENTINA-BrAZIL soccer/futbol game info
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 10:00:30 -0500
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE .....
SEND ME MAIL GIVING ME THE FOLLOWING INFO
WHEN IS THE GAME TIME
PLEASE GIVE TIME ZONE
IS IT ON SOME TV ...........SATELITE OR STATION
I do noty read the latin-america or brazil news groups
so sorry if this is already discussed
thanks
Prasad
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From: se...@cs.man.ac.uk (Sean Bechhofer)
Subject: Souness Joke.....
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 12:05:35 -0500
Courtesy of Nicky Campbell on Radio 1:
Graeme Souness is in the building society one day when he faints. Some time
later he comes to. "Where am I?" he asks. "In the Alliance" is the answer.
"My God!," he says "what happened to the Vauxhall Conference and the Beazer
Homes...."
Cheers,
Sean B
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From: ma...@shuksan.ds.boeing.com (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: Penalty Query
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 16:09:39 -0500
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
: (But don't let your linesman make that call!)
: ---------------------
: The duty of the linesman to watch for keeper movement is clearly
: spelled out in the Laws of the Game under the section The Diagonal System of
: Control (p. 69, Laws of the Game, 1992). The Linesman also acts as a goal
: judge.
:
: What you intend, I think, is that the linesman should provide you the
: information that the keeper moved and that the you, the referee, should make
: the actual call. The mechanics and cooperation between officials at this
: point is critical. There are many ways for the linesman to indicate there was
: a problem, without becoming the focus of attention. Then, as you pointed out,
: it takes a referee with the appropriate courage to actually make the call.
:
: Please, be certain of what you say (versus what you intend). Some non-
: referees might quickly take your comments out of context (or literally, if
: not expressed well) and turn on some unsuspecting linesman or referee at a
: game.
You're right, of course. I instruct my linesman that his primary duty
is to watch for a goal. Secondarily he is to watch the keeper's feet.
I don't want him to wave a flag or anything - but with eye-to-eye contact
I want to know if the keeper stayed his line or not.
Its not a popular call (what calls are?) but I've called the keeper for
premature movement, who saved the shot, then have had the PK retaken.
("Hey, keeper, I don't make up the rules, I just enforce them.")
Mike
--
Mike Schmitt - Disclaimer: These opinions are not my employer's. My opinions
are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America. Death before dishonor. Warriors win wars.
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From: stev...@t9.cs.man.ac.uk (Mik stevens)
Subject: FIFA three point suggestion
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 12:08:04 -0500
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.
The English leagues have used this for quite a few years now. I say it does
+ stop
teams playing for a draw. It's a good idea and I hope FIFA go for it.
mik
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From: ser...@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Subject: Re: Turkey Youth info
Message-Id: <serdar.7...@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 17:46:19 -0500
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
tho...@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie) writes:
>[Turkish] squad to be chosen from :
>Aygun Taskiran Bulent Kapucu Bulent Yilmaz
>Dursun Karaman Emre Asik Hasan Ozer
>Hayati Kose Ilhami Arslan Murat Turksoy
>Mustafa Saygili Mustafa Kocabey Okan Buruk
>Oktay Derelioglu Serkan Rencber Seyfettin Kurtulmus
>Sinan Demircioglu Tarkan Alkan Tekin Sazlog
>Temel Altuntas Turan Ilciktay Yetkin Akman
>Yusaf Tokac
> Anybody know something of Turkish naming convention? The names are
>sorted according to the first name, is the surname given first? Are there
>surnames in Turkey? Anyone?
There are surnames in Turkey, but sports figures are typically referred
to by their first name. Therefore, one usually mentions a player's team
as well, to make it clear which Mustafa etc. they may be referring to.
There has been times when a first division team has had (according to
my recollection) as many as 3 players with the same first name, in
which case nicknames are used to distinguish them.
It's always funny to watch an away match for the Turkish national team
since the TV feed from the host country usually has the last names
listed at the beginning of the match, and it's not always obvious from
that which players are on the squad.
Thanks for typing the info, it's already been copied to at least one
Turkish mailing list.
> Thomas the Tank Engine
--
serdar boztas ser...@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au
'
sevdalarda olsun, ilkyaz olumlerinde olsun/ gecit vermeyen akarsu olmaz
gu"lu"n kendini islemek icin/ ciragi ya da ustasi yoktur --hilmi yavuz
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From: ma...@shuksan.ds.boeing.com (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: handball question
Message-Id: <C2x7E...@shuksan.ds.boeing.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 16:23:22 -0500
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
Chris Bartz (chr...@natinst.com) wrote:
:
:
: If a defender (not the goalie) hits the ball with his hands to prevent
: a sure goal should he receive a yellow card or a red card?
:
: The situation was that the defender was standing on the goal line and
: the ball was coming in a couple feet over his head. He had no chance
: to head it out but jumped up and knocked it out with his hands. He
: received a yellow card and the other team was awarded a penalty kick
: (which they made). Just curious if this was the correct ruling.
According to how you describe it - the player should have been shown
a red card and sent off. Last year's instructions included the
'deliberate handeling of the ball' to stop a goal as "serious foul play".
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From: st91...@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: PROPOSED CHANGES
Message-Id: <1993Feb24.0...@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 21:29:11 -0500
Organization: Brandeis University
Recently, there has been a lot of talk about the proposed changes to the game.
The most prominent suggestions have been to divide the game up into four
quarters and allowing more substitutions. Pele, that wizard of Brazilian
soccer, has also spoken up in favour of certain changes. In a recent issue of
Shoot/Match (?) magazine, Kevin Keegan also talked about the changes he would
like to see implemented - four quarters, two substitutes from five, downsizing
of the English Premier League from 22 to 18 clubs etc.
I have a few comments.
FOUR QUARTERS?
If the game is divided into four quarters of 25 minutes,would not this give
players more of a chance to catch their breath and recuperate? When soccer
games are played during harsher weather conditions especially in the summer or
winter, player well-being becomes all the more important. When the players are
affected by the heat and humidity or cold, there is a more likely resultant
drop in match quality. Soccer is an extremely taxing sport, even so for
athletes in tip-top condition. Dividing the game into four quarters would give
players more of a chance to replenish lost bodily fluids and give coaches more
of an opportunity to change tactics and strategy. Of course, there is the fear
that the game might be divided up further into more sub-units. A typical
rhetorical question goes: what next - ten quarters of nine minutes? This is
flippant. Going by that line of logic, we might as well not divide a game up
into two halves. Have 90 minutes of continuous play.
If dividing the game up into 4 quarters can engender more TV commercial time
- why not? More sponsorship could mean that clubs can go on to bigger, better
things.
PLAYER SUBSTITUTION - FIVE ON THE BENCH
Teams should be allowed a maximum of five substitute changes. Again, this will
give coaches/managers more of a chance to change tactics and strategy. When
there are too many in-form and healthy players competing for first team action,
it becomes difficult for a manager to make player selection: who to select? what
formation to adopt? With a wider choice of player selection, managers can
actually think deep in the areas of tactics and strategy without being
hampered by limited substitute availabilty. Of course, a good manager is a
good manager whether there are two or five substitutes available. But, the
point I'm trying to make is that with more substitutes available, the scope
and opportunity for tactical/strategic change is made greater. This could
produce a more exciting game.
Appreciate CONSTRUCTIVE comments. Thanks.
J
2130 EST
Tue Feb 23, 1993
GL
Weather: cool; snow in the morning
and afternoon.
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From: dan...@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Daniel Wink)
Subject: Re: What a coincidence...
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 05:56:41 -0500
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Yeah right, he *REALLY* planned it that way, and barmby is the *ONLY* player
Spurs have. Silly me, I thought Gary Flitcroft of Man City would be in the
squad. Anyway, the teams were notified over six months ago that they would
have to release players in line with FIFA rules.
Martin Warnett
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From: pe...@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield)
Subject: Re: Size of playing field
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 23:02:04 -0500
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
In article <35...@goofy.apple.COM> nik...@apple.com (NIX) writes:
>I just watched the USA - Russia game at Stanford this weekend which ended in
>a scoreless draw. It struck me that the field appeared to be smaller than
>FIFA regulation size, especially in width. Was I imagining this?
I was at the game, and yes you were imagining this. The first thing I
noticed when I came through the tunnel was how square the field looked. I
estimated the width to be pushing 80 yards (75 meters). This is a good
width for most fields in the States because of the track around fields and
such. The length, however, did seem a bit small. Looking at the where
the football endzone was (you could see the faded lines), I'd say the field
was barely 110 yards long (100 meters). According to FIFA, the width ranges
from 50 to 100 yards (45 to 90) meters while the length ranges from 100 to
130 yards (90 to 120 meters). I actually thought they could have dropped
a yard or two on each side and been able to add five yards or more in length.
>
>Since most American stadiums have a turf area suitable for American Football,
>which requires a smaller field, is this a problem for the World Cup next year?
>Or has FIFA and the USSF addressed the issue?
Regulations have been "overlooked" in some cases. I think NY is not
wide enough for WC standards, but I won't get into this cause others
probably know more and are rather emotional about it.
>
>thanks/NIX
>
>p.s. it also appeared that the Stanford ground was too "bouncy"
We have had lots of rain this past month so the field was rather wet.
I did not notice the field being too "bouncy" at the time, however looking
back I can remember a couple of times where the ball took some large
bounces. BTW, it rained almost the entire week leading up to the game,
including Saturday, however game day was sunny and rather nice. On
Monday the rain started again and it has been raining all day today. At
least that's the story over here in Santa Cruz (hour SouthWest).
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+ David J. Duffield + "We tend to scoff at the beliefs +
+ pe...@cats.ucsc.edu + of the ancients. But we can't +
+ Univ of CA - Santa Cruz + do it personally, to their faces, +
+ Displaced San Diegan + and this is what annoys me." J.H. +
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+ The San Diego Teams to love: Sockers, Chargers, Gulls, Padres, and +
+ Vista Storm (SD County Soccer League) +
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From: sol...@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov)
Subject: Re: pele and 4-period games
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 21:43:30 -0500
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
In article <1mc9ho...@access.digex.com> al...@access.digex.com (Alex Johnson)
+ writes:
>sco...@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker) writes:
>
>And, of course, we know that a football game is *never* interrupted.
>Never. We've never seen prima-donna forwards dive and writhe around in
>mock pain for three minutes seeking spurious penalties. We've never seen
>frustrated teams boot the ball into the crowd to stop the action. We've
>never seen keepers bring things to a halt by holding onto to the ball for
>30 seconds, then punting it into the next county. Oh no. Never.
>
All this is part of the game, if you wish,
although it's not so trivial to realize..
>Somehow, a one- or two-minute break after 22-1/2 minutes of each of half
>just doesn't seem like the end of the world.
>
>There are a lot of inane suggestions out there to appeal to my
>football-innocent American compatriots. Save your breath for assaults on
>those that matter.
>
>
>--
>Alex Johnson
>Washington, DC
>al...@access.digex.com
Michael.
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From: tho...@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie)
Subject: Brazil Youth info
Message-Id: <1993Feb24.0...@ucc.su.OZ.AU>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 22:56:10 -0500
Organization: /etc/organization
Before I go on I would like to know if anyone out there is
interested in, or keeps copies of, World Cup information. I have some
and would be happy to post it or put it in the archive if it isn't already
there. On with the show.
Well as you can see I have way too much time on my hands at the
moment so I'll be bombarding you with more information on the teams in
the World Youth Championships. This time around we'll look at perennial
finalists Brazil.
(begin quote)
Brazil qualified for Australia '93 by winning the 4th South American U20
Football Championship in relatively easy fashion, only dropping one point
(a 0-0 draw with fellow qualifier Uruguay) in its six matches. After
struggling to defeat easy-beat Bolivia by only 1-0, Brazil finished its
preliminary group matches with a 100% record, seeing off Paraguay (1-0)
and Ecuador (2-0). In the final group matches, Brazil overcame its hiccup
against Uruguay to beat Ecuador (2-0) and Colombia (1-0), thus completing
its overall campaign without conceeding a single goal.
Although Portugal won the last FIFA/Coca-Cola Cup on home soil, it
was Brazil who did most to excite passions. Second in 1991 they will, as
always, feature amongst the favourites of a competition they dominated in the
mid eighties. The current young Brazilians have the famous Brazilian flair
laced with deadly finishing and are rich in individual skill. As if that wasn't
enough, the Brazilian squad will be amongst the best prepared in the
tournament, having almost played continuously since winning its qualifying
series in Medellin, Colombia, last August.
Brazil will also have the added advantage of being familiar with local
conditions after four matches in the host country last December. [They won
this series on a penalty shootout after the last match saw both sides with
wins apiece and two draws and equal goals]
Lover of the 'jogo bonito', Brazil's beautiful play, should not be
disappointed by this 1993 vintage Brazil. The hard to please Brazilian press
says that this team arouses memories of Brazil's glory days. Under Julio
Cesar Leal Junior's coaching the talent of the youngsters has blossomed, none
more so than No 10 Adriano from the Guarani Club, midfielder Marcelinho and
winger Mauricio.
Marcelinho is the team's playmaer who, with Adriano, is the provider.
Mauricio and Vasco de Gama's Fian operate as out and out strikers and
account for most of Brazil's goals. The slightly-built Adriano is being
compared to none other than the former great playmaker of the 60's and early
70's, Tastao, while Mauricio has been hailed as the best Brazilian winger
since the incomparable Garrincha, no less! In Dida, a goalkeeper who combines
acrobatics with total dominance of his area, and classy full-back Gerson,
Brazil have more brilliant individuals who can colour any canvas [huh?].
Brazil is the one team sure to satisfy the purist. Australian soccer
fans are already licking their lips in anticipation of their breathtaking
skills. There is no finer sight in football than the Brazilians in full flow.
With a coach loathe to shackle his youngsters with defensive
constraints, the young Brazilians should provide the soccer connoisseur with
untold delights at this World Youth Championship.
[Not the most objective report I've ever read but I'm sure the point is made]
Qualifying Squad (Nicknames in capitals - you'll see why) :
ADRIANO Adriano Gerlim da Silva ANDRE Andre Luis Menezes de Paulo
ARGEL Argelico Fucks BRUNO Bruno Segadas Viana Carvalho
CATE Marcos Antonio Lemes Tozze DIDA Nelson de Jesus Silva
FABIO Fabio Noronha de Oliveira GELSON Gelson Tardivo G Junior
HERNANDE Hernande Gomes Flores JUAREZ Juarez de Souza Teixeira
MAGRAO Giuliano Tadeu Aranda MARCELINHO Marcelo Jose de Souza
MAURICIO Mauricio Francisco De C Junior PEREIRA Emerson Pereira
RODRIGO Rodrigo Silva TOMY Tomy Adriano Giacomeli
WAGNER Wagner Alves Dos Anjos YAN Yan Clayton De L Razera
(end quote)
Thomas the Tank Engine
aka Algor
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+ -
It must be Karma or the Gods punishing you for your flame posts over in
rec.sport.football.pro. I don't know about you and Hamish. Both of
you hit a few keys on the keyboard and cause fifteen stress related
heart attacks over here in the States. That's okay, they need something to
do in the offseason. Now they can sit around in front of the computer
yelling instead of in front of the TV.
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From: sha...@garnet.berkeley.edu
Subject: Romario and Brazilians
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 23:31:07 -0500
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Henrique Silva's comments about Romario and Brazil's 1989 Copa
America championship side got me thinking. That was a wonderful
team: Mazhino, Aldair, Ricardo, Mauro Galvao, Branco, Dunga,
Silas, Valdo, Bebeto and Romario. I don't recall the play
that Henrique mentioned, but I do recall Romario's incredible
scissor-kick goal against Argentina, and his header that gave
Brazil the championship (1-0 over Uruguay). There was another
midfielder that started early in the tournament and eventually
lost his place to Silas (Geovani?? I don't recall his name). And
where is Silas playing now? Things did not work out well for him
in Italy with Sampdoria. Is he back in Brazil? Also, does Jao Paolo
have any chance of playing for Brazil again. He was the best player
Brazil had in an otherwise disappointing 1991 Copa America, played
well for Bari in Italy, and then suffered a serious leg injury. But
that was almost 18 months ago. Is he playing again?
I still think the problem with Brazil in 1990 World Cup was not
the system that Lazarone used (though he was criticized heavily
for it), but the players that he selected: Mozer fouls too much,
Alemao is terribly overrated (sorry, but though I love Brazilian
soccer, I don't like him at all) and with him and Dunga in the
midfield there was little creation (Valdo still seems like more
of a dribbler than a creator), and Muller is simply not a world
class player.
Henrique wanted discussion on Latin American soccer. I am all
for that too!
Comments? Responses?
Ken Shadlen
University of California at Berkeley
sha...@garnet.berkeley.edu
Michal Szleper
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Ariel Mazzarelli
front of a friend's TV to watch Argentina-Brasil, having
assiduously avoided my email in order not to know the score
beforehand, having begged my friend's indulgence (she's no
futbol fan, and I have no cable, and the station is too faint
to catch via antenna)... ok, you get the picture. IT'S A BIG DEAL.
It's always a big deal when Argentina and Brasil play. And as the
show starts...
SEVILLA-VALENCIA.
Immediate flurry of words conveying shock and anger... Tony la repu...
And the hijo de la reputisima madre que lo remilpario didn't even
apologize for not having the game that he promised.
ARGH!
Ariel
PS: So are they EVER going to show this game?
Henrique M. Silva
Ou filho da pura.
Henrique Silva ( frustrated )
Sergio Adeff
>I think cases like this should lead to players being punished after the match
>is over when a ref. has been too stupid/biased/whatever to do so during the
>game. I saw both tackles, and if an Argentinian or such had done them people
>would be saying he wasn't fit to be allowed onto the pitch again.
>Steve.
"... if an Argentinian or such ..." or such ? what do you mean Steve ? do I
smell rotten racism there ? (by the way about 1 out of 60 Argentineans (..eans
please,) are of British ascent, and many Argentinean ways are customs (including
excellence in football,) are equally of British origin.
Cheers,
Sergio.
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OF YOUR LOCAL NET PROBLEMS TO REC.SPORT.SOCCER.
Thank you
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Rich Coon
first written versions of the Laws of the Game. When I read it, I had to laugh
about the emotional discussions in r.s.s about quarters, kick-in vs throw-in,
back-passes to the keep, etc. I personally love laws V and X!!! And I wonder
what the Laws will be a hundred years from now????? Enjoy.
Soccer Football Laws
1863
I
The maximum length of the ground shall be 200 yards, the maximum breadth shall be 100
yards, the length and breadth shall be marked off with flags and the goal shall be
defined by two upright posts, 8 yards apart, without any tape or bar across them.
II
The Game shall be commenced by a place kick from the centre of the ground by the side
winning the toss, the other side shall not approach within 10 yards of the ball until
it is kicked off. After a goal is won the losing side shall be entitled to a kick
off.
III
The two sides shall change goals after each goal is won.
IV
A goal shall be won when the ball passes over the space between the goal posts (at
whatever height), not being thrown, knocked on, or carried.
V
When the ball is in touch, the first player who touches it shall kick or throw it
from the point on the boundary line where it left the ground, in a direction at
right angles with the boundary lines.
VI
A player shall be out of play immediately if he is in front of the ball, and must return
behind the ball as soon as possible. If the ball is kicked past a player by his own
side, he shall not touch or kick it or advance until one of the other side has first
kicked it or one of his own side on a level with or in front of him has been able to
kick it.
VII
In the case the ball goes behind the goal line, if a player on the side whom the goal
belongs first touches the ball, one of his side shall be entitled to a free kick from
the goal line at the point opposite the place where the ball shall be touched. If a
player of the opposite side first touches the ball, one of his side shall be entitled
to a free kick from a point 15 yards outside the goal line, opposite the plave where the
ball is touched.
VIII
If a player makes a fair catch he shall be entitled to a free kick, provided he claims
it by making a mark with his heel at once: and in order to take such kick he may go as
far back as he pleases, and no player on the opposite side shall advance beyond his
mark until he has kicked.
IX
A player shall be entitled to run with the ball toward his adversaries' goal if he
makes a fair catch, or catches the ball on the first bound: but in the case of a fair
catch, if he makes his mark, he shall not then run.
X
If any player shall run with the ball towards his adversaries' goal, any player on
the opposite side shall be at liberty to charge, hold, trip, or hack him, or to wrest
the ball from him: but no player shall be held and hacked at the same time.
XI
Neither tripping or hacking shall be allowed, and no player shall use his hands, or
elbows to hold or push his adversary, except in the case provided for by Law X.
XII
Any player shall be allowed to charge another, provided they are both in active play.
A player shall be allowed to charge even he is out of play.
XIII
A player shall be allowed to throw the ball or pass it to another if he makes a fair
catch, or catches the ball on the first bound.
XIV
No player shall be allowed to wear projecting nails, iron plates, or gutta percha on
the souls or heels of his shoes.
Definitions:
Place Kick is a kick at the ball while it on the ground in any position which the kicker
may chose to place it.
Free Kick is the privilege of kicking the ball, without obstruction, in such manner as
the kicker may think fit.
Fair Catch is when the ball is caught, after it has touched the person of an adversary
or has been kicked, knocked on, or thrown by an adversary, and before it has touched
the ground or one of the side catching it: but if the ball is knocked from out of
touch, or from behind the goal line, a fair catch cannot be made.
Hacking is kicking an adversary on the front of the leg, below th knee.
Tripping is throwing an adversary by the use of the legs without hands, and without
hacking or charging.
Charging is attacking an adversary with the shoulder, chest, or body, without using the
hands or legs.
Knocking on is when a player strikes or propels the ball with his hands, arms or body,
without kicking or throwing it.
Holding includes the obstruction of a player by the hand or any part of the arm below
the elbow.
Touch is that part of the field, on either side of the ground, which is beyond the
line of flags.
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Rich Coon
Paul Conte
>The following was given to me by a fellow referee. He claims it to be on of the
>first written versions of the Laws of the Game. When I read it, I had to laugh
>about the emotional discussions in r.s.s about quarters, kick-in vs throw-in,
>back-passes to the keep, etc. I personally love laws V and X!!! And I wonder
>what the Laws will be a hundred years from now????? Enjoy.
>
>
>
> Soccer Football Laws
> 1863
>
[ ... deleted ... ]
Gee, it seems that Australian Rules Football, American Football, Rugby
Football, and Soccer used to be very similar sports!
But, after a hundred and thirty years, they have developed along
totally different paths. So I wouldn't consider these OLD laws from
the past when deciding on the benefits of a new law at the present.
>-----------------
>
>Rich Coon
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