Blackburn Win = "Dirty Money Politics!!!!"
Gregg Chen
money
on Dalgish, Shearer or sutton, etc, they will still be in Divison One or
even
the Vauxall Conference!!!!!!!!
Congrats blackburn, btu you still can't qualify for the European Cup!
As for Man U, all the way and may Blackburn be relegated!
Soccer Fan
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Bill Elliott
>From: ZCG...@prodigy.com (Gregg Chen)
>Subject: Blackburn Win = "Dirty Money Politics!!!!"
>Date: 14 May 1995 22:00:45 GMT
>Yeah, Blackburn win, but if Jack Walker had not spent all that fucking
>money on Dalgish, Shearer or sutton, etc, they will still be in Divison One
> or even the Vauxall Conference!!!!!!!!
> <Greggy> CHEN...@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
Talk about the pot callinng the kettle black. How much have United spent on
players in the last couple of seasons? At least Blackburn spent their money
wisely.
Bill
Eric Leung
<JUNK DELETED>
: > <Greggy> CHEN...@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
: Talk about the pot callinng the kettle black. How much have United spent on
: players in the last couple of seasons? At least Blackburn spent their money
: wisely.
100% agree! Well, at the time when everyone was talking the 5M Sutton,
Dalgish had been developing the team QUIETLY. Sooner Sutton got into the
team and Blackburn worked out very well. While Cantona was banned, Man.
Utd spent 7M on Cole, but it was too late for him to get into the team
and it was too costy to do so. Man. Utd lost lots of points at that time,
and I personally still don't think that Cole has settled down in Man Utd.
Dalgish won the title with GUTS and BRAIN.
Just being curious, last year, Blackburn beat Man. UTd twice and lost the
Championship.
This year, Man UTD beat Blackburn twice and Blackburn won the Champ.
So, if Man UTd wants to win the title again, they better lose to
Blackburn next year.
Eric
Frazer Worley, #909980 DAD
>Dalgish had been developing the team QUIETLY. Sooner Sutton got into the
>team and Blackburn worked out very well. While Cantona was banned, Man.
>Utd spent 7M on Cole, but it was too late for him to get into the team
>and it was too costy to do so. Man. Utd lost lots of points at that time,
>and I personally still don't think that Cole has settled down in Man Utd.
>Dalgish won the title with GUTS and BRAIN.
Well now Sutton has been putting many away recently now has he. He
rushed to 20 goals and then - well thats about it really. Cole has easily
more goals - and is always likely to score [and miss :-(] more.
There aren't quite so many calls for SAS as the England strike force nowadays
are there ?
Frazer
Scott Moore
>
> Yeah, Blackburn win, but if Jack Walker had not spent all that fucking
> money
> on Dalgish, Shearer or sutton, etc, they will still be in Divison One or
> even
> the Vauxall Conference!!!!!!!!
>
>
> As for Man U, all the way and may Blackburn be relegated!
>
> Soccer Fan
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> <Greggy> CHEN...@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
Sour grapes by any chance?
Anyway talk about buying the title, what about manure trying it with
a certain andy cole! (It didn't work for them, did it?)
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Neil Blake
(Gregg Chen) wrote:
> Yeah, Blackburn win, but if Jack Walker had not spent all that fucking
> money
> on Dalgish, Shearer or sutton, etc, they will still be in Divison One or
> even
> the Vauxall Conference!!!!!!!!
>
> Congrats blackburn, btu you still can't qualify for the European Cup!
>
> As for Man U, all the way and may Blackburn be relegated!
>
> Soccer Fan
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> <Greggy> CHEN...@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
Lets not forget a certain 7 million pounds.
Matthew A. Brown
>Yeah, Blackburn win, but if Jack Walker had not spent all that fucking
>money
>on Dalgish, Shearer or sutton, etc, they will still be in Divison One or
>even
>the Vauxall Conference!!!!!!!!
Of course, Man Utd have never spent any money in their history, having
brought such players as Cole, Cantona, Keane, Ince etc up through
their junior ranks.
>Congrats blackburn, btu you still can't qualify for the European Cup!
I think you'll find they just have, unless you actually mean the
Champion's League. And I wouldn't put money on UEFA not fixing the
seedings to put Blackburn straight there anyway.
Matthew
Mr C C Kearton
: ZCG...@prodigy.com (Gregg Chen) writes:
<absolute crap cut>
: >Congrats blackburn, btu you still can't qualify for the European Cup!
: I think you'll find they just have, unless you actually mean the
: Champion's League. And I wouldn't put money on UEFA not fixing the
: seedings to put Blackburn straight there anyway.
Blackburn have to qualify for the champions league.
they play two legged tie on 9th and 17th august (or dates like that)
cheers
chris
: Matthew
Martin Carroll
d...@maths.tcd.ie "Padraic Murray" writes:
> mi...@unixg.ubc.ca (Eric Leung) writes:
>
> >Bill Elliott (ell...@indiana.edu) wrote:
> > <JUNK DELETED>
> >: > <Greggy> CHEN...@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
>
> >: Talk about the pot callinng the kettle black. How much have United spent on > >: players in the last couple of seasons? At least Blackburn spent their money > >: wisely.
>
> What about the bargains?
> Sherwood, Atkins, Pearce, Gale, Wilcox all these guys came to little
> over a million.
> Whereas the SCUM pay 3.5M for Keane, 7M for Cole, 2.5M for Ince,
> 2M for Cantona, 2.7M for Pallister.
Keane and Cole were expensive, but at 2.5 M Ince is an extremely good
buy. I don't remember United paying 2M for Cantona I think it was
nearer 1M. A bargain if ever there was one. Pallister has been one of
the best players in the team in the last 2-3 years, it was the defence
that nearly won the title and Pallister, Bruce and Schmeical take a lot
of the credit for that.
Regards
mjc
>
>
>
>
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Frazer Worley, #909980 DAD
>What about the bargains?
>Sherwood, Atkins, Pearce, Gale, Wilcox all these guys came to little
>over a million.
>Whereas the SCUM pay 3.5M for Keane, 7M for Cole, 2.5M for Ince,
>2M for Cantona, 2.7M for Pallister.
If your gonna quote figures, as though you know what your talking about, maybe
you should quote correct ones.
Lets try, 3.3M for Keane, 1.9M for Ince, 1M for Cantona, and 2.3M for Pallister.
What about the big money purchases for Blackburn, Shearer, Sutton, Batty,
Warhurst, Flowers, Gallagher.
Frazer
Bill Elliott
>From: mi...@unixg.ubc.ca (Eric Leung)
>Subject: Re: Blackburn Win = "Dirty Money Politics!!!!"
>Date: 15 May 1995 22:14:44 GMT
>Bill Elliott (ell...@indiana.edu) wrote:
> <JUNK DELETED>
>: > <Greggy> CHEN...@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
>: Talk about the pot callinng the kettle black. How much have United spent on
>: players in the last couple of seasons? At least Blackburn spent their money
>: wisely.
>100% agree! Well, at the time when everyone was talking the 5M Sutton,
>Dalgish had been developing the team QUIETLY. Sooner Sutton got into the
>team and Blackburn worked out very well. While Cantona was banned, Man.
>Utd spent 7M on Cole, but it was too late for him to get into the team
>and it was too costy to do so. Man. Utd lost lots of points at that time,
>and I personally still don't think that Cole has settled down in Man Utd.
>Dalgish won the title with GUTS and BRAIN.
>Just being curious, last year, Blackburn beat Man. UTd twice and lost the
>Championship.
>This year, Man UTD beat Blackburn twice and Blackburn won the Champ.
>So, if Man UTd wants to win the title again, they better lose to
>Blackburn next year.
>Eric
A couple of points, Eric.
United bought Cole before Cantona was banned.
Blackburn only beat United once last year. The other game was tied.
Otherwise, I agree with what you say.
Bill
Bill Elliott
>From: fra...@dseg.ti.com (Frazer Worley, #909980 DAD)
>Subject: Re: Blackburn Win = "Dirty Money Politics
> Well now Sutton has been putting many away recently now has he. He
>rushed to 20 goals and then - well thats about it really. Cole has easily
>more goals - and is always likely to score [and miss :-(] more.
Yes, but Sutton arguably scored the two most important goals of the season
against Everton and QPR when Blackburn were in a bit of a slump. Both were
match winners in hard fought games.
Unlike Cole, Sutton creates many goals. He is a much more fully rounded
player than Cole.
Bill
P.G. Whitfield
: In article: <3p5uid$19...@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> ZCG...@prodigy.com (Gregg Chen) writes:
: >
: > Yeah, Blackburn win, but if Jack Walker had not spent all that fucking
: > money
: > on Dalgish, Shearer or sutton, etc, they will still be in Divison One or
: > even
: > the Vauxall Conference!!!!!!!!
Oh yeah and Man Utd wouldn't dream of spending money on players would they?
Pallister 2.3M
Bruce 1M
May 1M
Parker 2M (not sure about that one)
Keane 3.5M
Ince 2M
Cantona 1M
Cole 7M
etc etc
I dont think that Blackburn and Man U are that different in this respect.
All I know is that I hope Steve Gibson the Boro chairman can provide us with
some money for good players next season. Lets face it who honestly can say
that they dont want their team to spend money???
Up the Boro
PAUL
James Murphy
clubs will have in Europe this season? E-mail me with
you're suggestions!
Colin Mower
The only way I can post things onto the newsgroup is to reply to another.
So, my mail has nothing to do with the above.
Anyone out there support Norwich City? I must admit that I am a faithful
fan, although I am beginning to wonder why. I think that Chase has GOT to go
and some decent players bought.....not Robert Fleck though!
DS Miller
and i cant write but i support Ipswich
and i can drive a tractor.
pride of east anglia
fry the canaries.
Brazil wannabes
more like wally bananas.
i see that chris sutton is doing quite nicely at BLACKBURN
and Ruel Fox at Newcastle.
adios amigo.
the fool.
DILS Student
>Anyone out there support Norwich City? I must admit that I am a faithful
>fan, although I am beginning to wonder why. I think that Chase has GOT to go
>and some decent players bought.....not Robert Fleck though!
>
You are not alone. There are other canaries on the 'net although I
expect most of us are questioning our allegience. Yet as a wise man once
said "You can change your wife but you can't change your mother or your
football team."
Hopefully the rumours that Richard Branson will buy Norwich will
come true although I hate to imagine Stuart Hall's radio commentary about
the Virgins of Norwich etc.
Fleck might be a good buy as he needs to prove himself. However
if we're talking about spending Chase's #7m on re-signings, I reckon that Steve
Bruce, Mark Robins and Ian Culverhouse should be targets.
Steve Whitlam
Stewart Bamford
> Anyone out there support Norwich City? I must admit that I am a faithful
> fan, although I am beginning to wonder why. I think that Chase has GOT to go
> and some decent players bought.....not Robert Fleck though!
Hmm, I agree. It also looks like a local millionaire will be buying out
Robert Chase, having offered twice as much to shareholders as fat Bob. He
has said that a money would be spent on players, and the wage policy
relaxed. Anyway, I got the opportunity to interveiew Robert Chase and
Darren eadie recently. Here is the transcript of the Robert Chase
interview (it was done just before the last two games after the Liverpool
game, for Bell CableMedia) :
ME: So Mr Chase, another bad result on Saturday. Things are looking bleak
aren't they ?
RC: Well I think we had a very good first half of the season, I've
already acknowledged that the games through January, February and March
were dissapointing but I that yestereday we played with a graet deal of
committment.
ME: So what exactly has gone wrong this season ?
RC: I don't know, you tell me. What I can tell you is that the results
since Christmas have been dissapointing and I thought that the
performances over the last the games has been a lot better. We still have
two very important games left and I'm looking for a positive result from
both of them.
ME: Do you think it was the managerial change that has affected the club
so badly recently ?
RC: I think in everything there will be a time and a place for an inquest
but the issue at the moment that we need to address is the game against
Leeds on Saturday and then the last game of the season here aginst Aston
Villa. I don't think this is the time to start having an inquest at all.
ME: There was quite a lot of criticism earlier this season for not buying
any players before the transfer deadline. Was there any particular
reason for that ?
RC: Well that's not my job to do that. My job is to make sure that funds
are available to do that. It's the managers job to identify those who he
wishes to bring to the club and those who he wishes to see leave the
football club. My job is just to make sure the administration of it is
done quickly, effectively and efficiently and that there are funds to do it.
But it's also my job to make sure that we operate within financial
restrains that are forced upon us. Over ten years, we have made an
average profit of 150,000 pounds. That takes into account players coming
in and players leaving the club but excludes capital projects.
ME: So were you approached for funds for any players before the deadline ?
RC: I think John was looking hard to strengthen the squad but clearly we
weren't able to achieve it.
ME: So he wasn't turned down for any funds for any players ?
RC: Well I think that what we have to make quite clear is that there are
funds available to see the squad strengthened then as there is now. But
clearly, players that come to the football club have to fit in to the
financial restrains that we operate under here. We had a full house here
on Saturday and there was 22,000 nearly, other clubs have a full house
and there's 44,00 there. We clearly have to operate within the financial
restrains that were agreed and set out at the start of the season.
ME: So why were so many players released this season ?
RC: Well I don't think that is an accurate reflection on what happened.
Several players left and several players joined. I thought more players
joined the club than left the club in fact.
ME: So when Mark Robins left, wasn't there a case for replacing him ?
RC: I think there was definately a case for replacing Mark Robins and
Efan Ekoku. One of the things we will be reflecting upon is whether
there was any need for him to have gone. There clearly is a difference
between someone like Chris Sutton and Ruel Fox leaving us and Efan Ekoku
and Mark Robins. I think Chris Sutton and Ruel Fox went on to bigger
clubs and no doubt went on to much greater financial rewards. I'm not
too sure that the same for the last two players I mentioned.
ME: Youn mentioned the financial situation of the club. What is the
current financial situation of Norwich City Football Club, is it solvent ?
RC: Well I think you have to just look around you here, I would have
thought that the capital expenditure thats been invested here is
substantial and I would have thought that most of your colleagues that
write on football would reflect that Norwich has been rather successful
in the way that its conducted its affairs over the last three or four
years. I've already said, over the last ten years each year we've made
an average profit. I don't know whether that would apply to every club
our size in the country.
ME: So would there be a limit on how much you're prepared to spend on a
football player ?
RC: Well of course there is, exactly the same way as there is at
Manchester as there is a limit at Arsenal there has to be alimit and I'm
sure there's a limit at Inter Milan on how much they spend. I believe
that we've brought in four or five players this year, all within our
budget, all within our resources and clearly there's still funds
available to do that but we're never going to get ourselves into a
position that we can never recover from financially again.
ME: There were some rather nasty scenes on Saturday after the game. Do
you think the protests were justified ?
RC: Well I've said loudly and clearly that if you want to protest,
protest against me, not against the team or the manager and I'm very
grateful that the supporters did that. They certainly were 100% behind
the team and the club during the game and I'm exceptionally grateful for
them for that. What happened protesting afterwards is a matter really
for the supporters and the police. Let me just say this, generally
speaking, if a senior police officer asks you to move on politely and
curtiously twice, you're generally best advised to do so.
ME: So does it affect you personally having these people protest against
you ?
RC: Well to say that it doesn't affect me would be wrong and not true.
But if you're asking me if it gets me down, if you're asking me if it
stops me sleeping and if you're asking me if its going to encourage me to
give up, the answer is quite clear, no.
ME: So are there any possible circumstances under which you would
consider resigning ?
RC: well at the moment, there is a big job to be done and I'm getting on
with it. I think it's wrong to say close the door on anything ever. I
did that once and probably made the biggest mistake I've ever made. But
to answer your question in the most positive way I can, I believe there's
a major job to be done here and at the moment, I'm getting on with it.
Though there may be a few people protesting and getting a lot of
publicity for it, I get a considerable amount of support from what I
would like to consider to be the silent majority and I'm very grateful to
them for that.
ME: So do you think that if Norwich City are unlucky enough to be
relegated this season, people will still come and watch the games and the
protests will go away ?
RC: Well I don't think that it a fair question or even addressed in the
fairest possible way. I think that football traditionally has been a
case of when you are at the bottom they complain at the chairman, and
rightly too. I have no quarel with that at all. I would have thought
that the Ipswich chairman, the Leicester chairman and the Aston Villa
chairman are going through exactly the same, that's what football is all
about, if you can't stand the heat, don't go in the kitchen. The only
way to stop the protesting is to start playing attractive football like
we did on Saturday and the only added ingredient we've got to put to that
is we've got to start winning. That's exactly what people want, and
nobody wants that more than I do.
ME: So do you think the current Norwich squad is worthy of remaining in
the Premiership ?
RC: Well I would have thought if you asked most football writers about
our performances against Nottingham Forest, Tottenham and on Saturday
against Liverpool, they would give you a positive yes to that. Most
football commentators and newspapers I've read have said they thought we
played in a most spirited and challenging way. What I have to say sadly,
that wasn't the case all the way through January, February and March and
that's where we went wrong.
ME: So are you in some way blaming the players for their perfomances
earlier in the year ?
RC: I wouldn't dream of blaming anybody because I'm not quite sure what
the chemistry is that makes everything tick. What I am saying is that
through January and February and March we had two or three games that
were splendid to watch, and I think that most footballers and most
football writers would say we had far too many games where we gave a goal
away in the last few minutes that certainly cost us six points. If we
had those six points today, we wouldn't be in the situation we are
today. But I want to make it quite clear that I'm not blaming anyone, I
don't understand the technicalities sufficiently to do so and if I did, I
could make a lot more money managing a football club. What I do know is,
and so do all our supporters, that in the last three games there has been
a great deal of passion and committment and that wasn't perhaps the same
at the same level all the way through January, February and March, and
that's where we lost those valuable points that we now so desperately need.
ME: Why do you think that committment was lacking ?
RC: Oh, I've got no idea. I'm not sure what makes the whole thing tick.
All I do know is that it's going well now and all I do know is there's
six points on the table and if we could win our next two games there is
still the opportunity of a fairy tale end to the season.
ME: You have quite a famous three point plan. How is that plan at the
moment, has it taken a step back or is a new plan in action ?
RC: Well nothing takes a step back unless it going to take two steps
forward in my book. Clearly we've said we've got to get the finances
sorted out and I believe that we've got quite good budgets and that we've
got quite good financial policies and that's managing quite well now. As
far as improving the facilities, three sides of the ground is completed,
the training ground is half completed and that's done for the next 25
years. I would like to have wished to have gone on and finished the
South Stand, but that may have to be delayed. I'm not saying it is going
to be delayed but it may have to be delayed and we may have to take one
small step back to take two steps forward. If that's the case, so be
it. But the issue at the moment is beating Leeds and beating Aston Villa
and hopefully that then won't be necessary.
ME: At the end of the season, is there any possibility that any more
players would be leaving ?
RC: Well I don't think I can say no to that, but the question I think you
ought to be asking with all due respect is do we intend to strengthen the
squad ? And the answer to that is yes. Clearly I don't think that any
football club would say no-one's ever going to leave, but clearly there
is a need to see the squad strengthened and I'm quite sure that we will
be doing that within the next few months.
ME: Are there any plans at the moment then to strength the squad ?
RC: Well of course there are plans, ther are plans in foot all the time.
I hope that these plans will materialise. You wouldn't expect me or
anyone doing the job I'm doing to say there's no plans, there have to be
plans, they're constantly being refined and updated.
ME: Sp is it fair to say that the money that would have been spent on the
South Stand if Norwich had remained in the Premiership is going to be
spent on the squad instead ?
RC: Well I don't think that's the issue, because I've already told you
twice or three times that funds are available to strengthen the club and
they have been. It's not the case that we can do one or the other, we
could have done both. But what we can't do is to bring players here with
values of 4 or 5 million pounds and build the South Stand. That's never
been the case at Norwich and sadly I can't see it being the case until we
can attract, if we are ever able to, the same sort of audiances that
Manchester United can, and I don't see that as being a feasible option
with a population of 120,000 living in Norwich.
ME: One final question, do you still enjoy being chairman of Norwich City
Football Club ?
RC: Of course I do and if I didn't I would give it up. I see this, and
I'm glad you asked me this, simply as another big challenge, one I
welcome and one I'm going to get on with.
----------------end of interview------------------------
The interview with Darren Eadie was somewhat short, during the last game
(aston villa) as he received the player of the season award. He seemed a
little upset about the situation at Carrow Road, but tried to assure me
that he would still be here next season, "I've got two seasons left on my
contract ...." hmmm, didn't Chris Sutton have three ????
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Dave Major
Yeh, good news item. Then again, what else would you expect from an Ipswich
Town fan.
So, Ipswich are the pride of Anglia then are they? Is that why they lost both
of their games to Norwich this season?
Or is the reason they're the pride of anglia, because they finnished at the
bottom of the premier league this season?
Maybe it's something to do with their great results this season - 9-0 at Man
Untited.
Or is it just because they've got such world class players such as John Wark,
Ian Marshall and Lee Chapman?
Beats me. I can't even figure out why anyone would surport Ipswich, let alone
think they were the pride of Anglia.
Simon Cobbett
: Yeah, Blackburn win, but if Jack Walker had not spent all that fucking
: money
: on Dalgish, Shearer or sutton, etc, they will still be in Divison One or
: even
: the Vauxall Conference!!!!!!!
*********************************************
: As for Man U, all the way and may Blackburn be relegated!
: Soccer Fan
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: <Greggy> CHEN...@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
I'm sorry but are you fucking stupid? They qualify for the European cup
by winning the league and they have won the league, therefore they are
in the European cup.
Rob Askham
>
> Yeah, Blackburn win, but if Jack Walker had not spent all that fucking
> money
> on Dalgish, Shearer or sutton, etc, they will still be in Divison One or
> even
I seem to recall that Fergie hasn't exactly been tight in his 8 and a
half years at Old Trafford.
eg
Blackburn spend £3.3m (ish) on shearer
MU spend £7m on Cole.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
Jon Hutchings
> : Talk about the pot callinng the kettle black. How much have United spent
on
> : players in the last couple of seasons? At least Blackburn spent their money
> : wisely.
- In last year's off season: David May. Just him.
- Cole. Yes he was expensive. Partly caused by the Sutton inflation.
- The money was provided by the club's success. Not pocket money from Uncle.
> and I personally still don't think that Cole has settled down in Man Utd.
- I beg to differ. Without his goals in the last 5 games, it would have been
all over at easter. He's looking as sharp as he ever did at the Toon.
All that said, injuries of various kinds to players at both clubs,
suspensions, "could have beens", "if only ______ had been playing's" and so
on and so forth aside, what counted at the end of the day was that Blackburn
did just enough to win the championship. I can't say that they played the
most attractive football, but then points are not awarded for that. Actually
Man United didn't play the most attractive football either, although I would
say that their style is more entertaining than Blackburn's. If the league
*were* awarded on this basis however, I don't think anyone could argue with
the title going to Newcastle (this from a MU fan). They've played
consistently the best *football* this season, IMHO of course, and (by MU
failing to win the FA cup) it's a real shame that they will not play in Europe
next season as I think they are perhaps more deserving than the English teams
that did make it.
One positive thing about MU winning nothing this season (apart from the
minnows of the Charity Shield and FA youth cup) is that all the glory hunting
fly-by-night bastards will bugger off to Blackburn - My advice to Rovers:
release 3 new kits so you can milk the bastards for every cent while you have
them; might as well get something from that sort of scum.
-Jon-
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