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milivella
next season.
For each position, you can pick one or more player. 36 hours to vote.
And I already know, my selection sucks.
---
GK
Adler
Buffon
Casillas
Cech
Julio Cesar
Lloris
Neuer
Reina
Valdes
van der Sar
---
RD
Bosingwa
Heargreaves
Ivanovic
Lahm
Maicon
Puyol
Sagna
Sergio Ramos
Srna
Zanetti
---
CD (pick 2 players or more)
Agger
Albiol
Alex
Carvalho
Chiellini
Ferdinand
Gallas
Juan
King
Lucio
Mertesacker
Naldo
Nesta
Pepe
Pique
Samuel
Terry
Thiago Silva
Vermaelen
Vidic
---
LD
Abidal
Assou-Ekotto
Baines
Capdevila
Cissokho
Clichy
Criscito
Cole
Evra
Riise
Roberto Carlos
---
DM
Ambrosini
Busquets
Cambiasso
de Jong
Diarra (Alou)
Fellaini
Mascherano
Song
Toulalan
Zokora
---
CM
Ballack
De Rossi
Essien
Fabregas
Gerrard
Lampard
Pirlo
Thiago Motta
Toure (Yaya)
Xabi Alonso
Xavi
---
RM
Arteta
Cristiano Ronaldo
Daniel Alves
Farfan
Krasic
Navas
Pandev
Pedro
Robben
Suarez
Messi
---
AM
Aimar
Cassano
Diego
Hamsik
Jovetic
Kaka
Riquelme
Ronaldinho
Sneijder
Totti
van der Vaart
---
LM
Arshavin
Iniesta
Malouda
Modric
Nasri
Oezil
Ribery
Robinho
Silva
Ze Roberto
---
ST
Aguero
Drogba
Eto'o
Forlan
Higuain
Ibrahimovic
Milito
Rooney
Tevez
Torres
van Persie
Villa
---
My vote and some comments will follow later.
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milivella
Jesus Petry
> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
>
> For each position, you can pick one or more player. 36 hours to vote.
> And I already know, my selection sucks.
May I add some South American-based names to the list?
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
El Kot
> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
Best next season according to whom? Or do you mean that what we vote here, is
who will be "best" next season, and the most votes wins?
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good they are now?
And we stay to your players?
milivella
> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
This criterion make you abstract from current form / performance this
season (the Player of the Season award will come after the Copa
America) / career. OTOH, the very conservative selection doesn't allow
non-established young players to be there. The remaining ones should
be players that have performed well and are expected to continue doing
so: not a perfect definition of "world class", but I hope it goes in
the right direction.
> For each position, you can pick one or more player.
As usual, so that you don't have to decide between the underdog who is
in your heart and the lad with realistic chances who you would like to
win against that annoying lad that half of the people will vote. E.g.
if you like Navas very much and you prefer Messi vs. Ronaldo, you can
vote both Navas and Messi.
> And I already know, my selection sucks.
Yes it does.
> GK
>
> Adler
> Buffon
> Casillas
> Cech
> Julio Cesar
> Lloris
> Neuer
> Reina
> Valdes
> van der Sar
?! Neuer.
> RD
>
> Bosingwa
> Heargreaves
> Ivanovic
> Lahm
> Maicon
> Puyol
> Sagna
> Sergio Ramos
> Srna
> Zanetti
Lahm.
> CD (pick 2 players or more)
>
> Agger
> Albiol
> Alex
> Carvalho
> Chiellini
> Ferdinand
> Gallas
> Juan
> King
> Lucio
> Mertesacker
> Naldo
> Nesta
> Pepe
> Pique
> Samuel
> Terry
> Thiago Silva
> Vermaelen
> Vidic
Ferdinand and Vidic.
> LD
>
> Abidal
> Assou-Ekotto
> Baines
> Capdevila
> Cissokho
> Clichy
> Criscito
> Cole
> Evra
> Riise
> Roberto Carlos
I swear didn't pick Criscito just because he's a pick of mine in
Fantasy Scout! Roberto Carlos? Really?! :O However, I go with Cole and
Riise.
> DM
>
> Ambrosini
> Busquets
> Cambiasso
> de Jong
> Diarra (Alou)
> Fellaini
> Mascherano
> Song
> Toulalan
> Zokora
Busquets. Haters gonna hate, but
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/07/16/sergio-busquets-world-cup-final/
> CM
>
> Ballack
> De Rossi
> Essien
> Fabregas
> Gerrard
> Lampard
> Pirlo
> Thiago Motta
> Toure (Yaya)
> Xabi Alonso
> Xavi
No Schweini? I'm sorry for everyone else, but Xavi is head and
shoulder in a class of his own. What a pity, many players that I like
here.
> RM
>
> Arteta
> Cristiano Ronaldo
> Daniel Alves
> Farfan
> Krasic
> Navas
> Pandev
> Pedro
> Robben
> Suarez
> Messi
Eh eh. Messi.
> AM
> Aimar
> Cassano
> Diego
> Hamsik
> Jovetic
> Kaka
> Riquelme
> Ronaldinho
> Sneijder
> Totti
> van der Vaart
If possible AM sucks more than any other position. Kaka and van der
Vaart. But really I must have forgotten someone...
> LM
> Arshavin
> Iniesta
> Malouda
> Modric
> Nasri
> Oezil
> Ribery
> Robinho
> Silva
> Ze Roberto
Bi-clasico-partisan: Iniesta _and_ Oezil.
> ST
> Aguero
> Drogba
> Eto'o
> Forlan
> Higuain
> Ibrahimovic
> Milito
> Rooney
> Tevez
> Torres
> van Persie
> Villa
I hope that someone will pick my man Higauin, but I won't: Eto'o,
Rooney and Tevez for me.
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milivella
milivella
Hmm... I thought about it and then preferred to *not* go for a
nomination-then-selection system. Maybe I should have done it? Let's
say that the list is closed by now to avoid chaos, but *please* tell
me 1) who would you have included? 2) what would the right way to do
it have been? (call for nominations first?)
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milivella
milivella
> milivella wrote:
> > Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> > next season.
>
> Best next season according to whom?
To *you*! :)
> Or do you mean that what we vote here, is
> who will be "best" next season, and the most votes wins?
Yes, I mean so (the *two* CDs with most votes make the XI, though).
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Jesus Petry
While I waited for your answer, I've tried to make a list, but it
grew too big and too concentrated on attacking midfielders and
strikers, and I've also noticed that you've put Ronaldinho and
Riquelme in your list, so maybe it was just the case of adding a few
names. I'll have to work on that list so I can add only a couple or a
handful of options in each position.
And calling for nominations would indeed become chaotic as you said.
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
milivella
> So it's a projection of predicted output, not an assessment of how
> good they are now?
In my mind it's an assessment of how good they are now, but not in the
sense "Torres has scored just 1 goal in the last 4 months" or "Di
Natale is the best striker this season" (?!). OTOH, I wanted you to
choose someone who has still fuel, since otherwise one could be too
influenced by global career performance (e.g. I'm not stating that at
their peak Ferdinand>Nesta). I tried to find a tricky way to ask you
"who is the best goalkeeper in the world" avoiding such ambiguities; I
don't know whether I've managed to do it, though!
> And we stay to your players?
Yes, please.
I've received a private vote via e-mail (I don't know if he wants to
remain anonymous): it's OK too.
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Jesus Petry
Here's a reduction of mt original list, FWIW:
---
GK
Fábio (Cruzeiro-BRA)
Rogério Ceni (São Paulo-BRA)
Victor (Grêmio-BRA)
---
RD
Léo Moura (Flamengo-BRA)
Néicer Reasco (LDU-ECU)
---
CD
Mauricio Victorino (Cruzeiro-BRA)
Miranda (São Paulo-BRA)
Sebastián Coates (Nacional-URU)
---
LD
Diego Renan (Cruzeiro-BRA)
Kléber (Internacional-BRA)
---
DM
Mario Bolatti (Internacional-BRA)
Rodrigo Braña (Estudiantes-ARG)
---
AM
[rare teams play with open wingers, so I'm adding RMs, CMs and
LMs together]
Andrés D'Alessandro (Internacional-BRA)
Darío Conca (Fluminense-BRA)
Douglas (Grêmio-BRA)
Elano (Santos-BRA)
Juan Sebastián Verón (Estudiantes-ARG)
Lucas (São Paulo-BRA)
Paulo Henrique Ganso (Santos-BRA)
Thiago Neves (Flamengo-BRA)
Valdívia (Palmeiras-BRA)
Walter Montillo (Cruzeiro-BRA)
---
ST
Abreu (Botafogo-BRA)
Franco Niell (Argentinos Juniors-ARG)
Fred (Fluminense-BRA)
Hernán Barcos (LDU-ECU)
Juan Manuel Iturbe (Cerro Porteño-PAR)
Leandro Damião (Internacional-BRA)
Luís Fabiano (São Paulo-BRA)
Neymar (Santos-BRA)
Santiago Silva (Vélez Sarsfield-ARG)
Thiago Ribeiro (Cruzeiro-BRA)
---
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
Futbolmetrix
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> Here's a reduction of mt original list, FWIW:
> Thiago Neves (Flamengo-BRA)
!!!
D
milivella
> On 26 abr, 18:10, milivella <milive...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jesus Petry:
>
> > > On 26 abr, 15:35, milivella <milive...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> > > > next season.
>
> > > > For each position, you can pick one or more player. 36 hours to vote.
> > > > And I already know, my selection sucks.
>
> > > May I add some South American-based names to the list?
>
> > Hmm... I thought about it and then preferred to *not* go for a
> > nomination-then-selection system. Maybe I should have done it? Let's
> > say that the list is closed by now to avoid chaos, but *please* tell
> > me 1) who would you have included? 2) what would the right way to do
> > it have been? (call for nominations first?)
>
> While I waited for your answer, I've tried to make a list, but it
> grew too big and too concentrated on attacking midfielders and
> strikers
Consider that I limited myself to 10 (or little more) players per
position. So there are of course a lot of great strikers left out.
> and I've also noticed that you've put Ronaldinho and
> Riquelme in your list, so maybe it was just the case of adding a few
> names.
I know that my list is very "big European leagues + oldies"-focused.
(As a matter of fact) the South American players that almost made the
cut include Luis Fabiano, Veron, Victor, Ganso (no Neymar?!).
> I'll have to work on that list so I can add only a couple or a
> handful of options in each position.
Please let me know. Thanks.
> And calling for nominations would indeed become chaotic as you said.
Indeed I just thought: "People won't like to basically answer twice
the same question. Come on, am I not able to come up with a list of
all the players who someone could desire to vote?" Now I know that I
am not.
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Futbolmetrix
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> GK
>
> Adler
> Buffon
> Casillas
> Cech
> Julio Cesar
> Lloris
> Neuer
> Reina
> Valdes
> van der Sar
>
Neuer
Then Lloris. Time for a changing of the guard in World Class goalkeepers.
And what about Joe Hart?
>
> RD
>
> Bosingwa
> Heargreaves
> Ivanovic
> Lahm
> Maicon
> Puyol
> Sagna
> Sergio Ramos
> Srna
> Zanetti
Hm... Maicon has sucked this year, but he's probably still the best in this
role. Sergio Ramos as second pick.
>
> ---
>
> CD (pick 2 players or more)
>
> Agger
> Albiol
> Alex
> Carvalho
> Chiellini
> Ferdinand
> Gallas
> Juan
> King
> Lucio
> Mertesacker
> Naldo
> Nesta
> Pepe
> Pique
> Samuel
> Terry
> Thiago Silva
> Vermaelen
> Vidic
Pepe and Vidic.
Second choices: Pique and Ferdinand
>
> ---
>
> LD
>
> Abidal
> Assou-Ekotto
> Baines
> Capdevila
> Cissokho
> Clichy
> Criscito
> Cole
> Evra
> Riise
> Roberto Carlos
Nobody, really. If I have to choose, then Ashley Cole. Then Evra.
> ---
>
> DM
>
> Ambrosini
> Busquets
> Cambiasso
> de Jong
> Diarra (Alou)
> Fellaini
> Mascherano
> Song
> Toulalan
> Zokora
>
Busquets
Second choice: Cambiasso
> ---
>
> CM
>
> Ballack
> De Rossi
> Essien
> Fabregas
> Gerrard
> Lampard
> Pirlo
> Thiago Motta
> Toure (Yaya)
> Xabi Alonso
> Xavi
Xavi
Then Xabi, just to piss Benny off.
> ---
>
> RM
>
> Arteta
> Cristiano Ronaldo
> Daniel Alves
> Farfan
> Krasic
> Navas
> Pandev
> Pedro
> Robben
> Suarez
> Messi
Questionable inclusions in this group. Anyway, Messi obviously on top, CRon
second.
> AM
> Aimar
> Cassano
> Diego
> Hamsik
> Jovetic
> Kaka
> Riquelme
> Ronaldinho
> Sneijder
> Totti
> van der Vaart
Sneijder
Van der Vaart
> LM
> Arshavin
> Iniesta
> Malouda
> Modric
> Nasri
> Oezil
> Ribery
> Robinho
> Silva
> Ze Roberto
Iniesta
Malouda
> ST
> Aguero
> Drogba
> Eto'o
> Forlan
> Higuain
> Ibrahimovic
> Milito
> Rooney
> Tevez
> Torres
> van Persie
> Villa
Difficult one... Villa and Rooney (also Eto'o, but there were already too
many Virgins on the squad).
D
Clément
> milivella:
>
>> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
>> next season.
>
> This criterion make you abstract from current form / performance this
> season (the Player of the Season award will come after the Copa
> America) / career. OTOH, the very conservative selection doesn't allow
> non-established young players to be there. The remaining ones should
> be players that have performed well and are expected to continue doing
> so: not a perfect definition of "world class", but I hope it goes in
> the right direction.
I'm still not sure I understand, though. People should vote for the players
they think will be the best in the 2011-2012 season?
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
milivella
> On 26 abr, 18:18, Jesus Petry <jesuspe...@pop.com.br> wrote:
>
> > On 26 abr, 18:10, milivella <milive...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Jesus Petry:
>
> > > > On 26 abr, 15:35, milivella <milive...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> > > > > next season.
>
> > > > > For each position, you can pick one or more player. 36 hours to vote.
> > > > > And I already know, my selection sucks.
>
> > > > May I add some South American-based names to the list?
>
> > > Hmm... I thought about it and then preferred to *not* go for a
> > > nomination-then-selection system. Maybe I should have done it? Let's
> > > say that the list is closed by now to avoid chaos, but *please* tell
> > > me 1) who would you have included? 2) what would the right way to do
> > > it have been? (call for nominations first?)
>
> > While I waited for your answer, I've tried to make a list, but it
> > grew too big and too concentrated on attacking midfielders and
> > strikers, and I've also noticed that you've put Ronaldinho and
> > Riquelme in your list, so maybe it was just the case of adding a few
> > names. I'll have to work on that list so I can add only a couple or a
> > handful of options in each position.
> > And calling for nominations would indeed become chaotic as you said.
>
> Here's a reduction of mt original list, FWIW:
It's worht A LOT. Thanks.
I don't know whether some of us would have voted for anyone of these
players as the best in the world in his position, but for sure they
are better than some of my picks, so I should have thought the whole
thing better.
Now I want to know who you pick among the players in the original
list, though! :)
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milivella
> "Jesus Petry" <jesuspe...@pop.com.br> wrote in message
>
> news:a29205d5-a8f8-4bf1...@e21g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Here's a reduction of mt original list, FWIW:
> > Thiago Neves (Flamengo-BRA)
>
> !!!
Yeah, I too find incredible that there is a Brazilian club named after
Flemish people.
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milivella
> "milivella" <milive...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5d06eb92-4b36-4b00...@w36g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > GK
>
> > Adler
> > Buffon
> > Casillas
> > Cech
> > Julio Cesar
> > Lloris
> > Neuer
> > Reina
> > Valdes
> > van der Sar
>
> Neuer
> Then Lloris.
I'm not counting all these second picks, right? It's interesting read
about them, though: thanks (for answering also).
> Time for a changing of the guard in World Class goalkeepers.
> And what about Joe Hart?
He's in the underrated-by-milivella basket. Will he be luckier next
year?
> > LD
>
> > Abidal
> > Assou-Ekotto
> > Baines
> > Capdevila
> > Cissokho
> > Clichy
> > Criscito
> > Cole
> > Evra
> > Riise
> > Roberto Carlos
>
> Nobody, really.
:)
> > RM
>
> > Arteta
> > Cristiano Ronaldo
> > Daniel Alves
> > Farfan
> > Krasic
> > Navas
> > Pandev
> > Pedro
> > Robben
> > Suarez
> > Messi
>
> Questionable inclusions in this group.
In *this* group? :)
> > AM
>
> Sneijder
> Van der Vaart
>
> > LM
>
> Iniesta
> Malouda
Are van der Vaart and Malouda "second picks"? (i.e. such that I don't
count them)
> > ST
> > Aguero
> > Drogba
> > Eto'o
> > Forlan
> > Higuain
> > Ibrahimovic
> > Milito
> > Rooney
> > Tevez
> > Torres
> > van Persie
> > Villa
>
> Difficult one... Villa and Rooney (also Eto'o, but there were already too
> many Virgins on the squad).
:)
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Futbolmetrix
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Let's do this again keeping only the second picks I actually want to be
counted:
>
> GK
Neuer
> RD
Maicon
> CD (pick 2 players or more)
Pepe and Vidic.
> LD
Ashley Cole
> DM
Busquets
> CM
Xavi
> RM
Messi and CRon
> AM
Sneijder
> LM
Iniesta
> ST
Villa and Rooney
milivella
That they "are sure" will be the best in the 2011-12 season... ;) I.e.
if you are undecided between someone with still-unfulfilled potential
and a player that is already at his peak you should pick the latter.
The fact is that in my mind "I am sure that he will be the best GK
next season" and "he's the best GK in the world" [1] somewhat
overlap... If for you they don't overlap, I'd like you to pick "the
best GK in the world" (even if it's against the wording of my original
post) [2], but of course you are free to interpret my words as you
want.
[1] I.e., again, not "the most in form" or "the GK of the season", nor
"the highest among those one in an all-time ranking"; even though they
could all be the same person, obviously.
[2] But I would also like to know why the best GK in the world won't
be the best next term... :)
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Benny
> From : mili...@gmail.com
> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
>
> For each position, you can pick one or more player. 36 hours to vote.
> And I already know, my selection sucks.
Actually even taking into account the omissions the list shows just how
crap the level of modern players is compared to say 20 years ago. The RB
& LB slots are especially brutal. DMs? Not one of them is anywhere near
Desailly, Vieira, Gattuso, Petit (in their prime) level.
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El Kot
> milivella:
>
>> And I already know, my selection sucks.
>
> Yes it does.
Indeed it does. No Barbie?!? Come on! It's true that most coaches misuse him
- I'd play him as AM, not ST - but come on! And I don't know why people here
don't like Amauri - I'd listed him too. Next, wtf is Danni Alves doing at RM -
he's a RD! And useless at both positions, but that's just IMHO. And no Gareth Bale!
I refuse to be bound by your selection, and will vote as I please. What to do
with my vote is in your court. :)
<Scanners>
And what's that nonsense I read about not counting second picks? Why would
we do them if you don't count them! Of course you count them! You count them!
</Scanners>
> ---
>
> GK
>
> Adler
> Buffon
> Casillas
> Cech
> Julio Cesar
> Lloris
> Neuer
> Reina
> Valdes
> van der Sar
Valdes
> ---
>
> RD
>
> Bosingwa
> Heargreaves
> Ivanovic
> Lahm
> Maicon
> Puyol
> Sagna
> Sergio Ramos
> Srna
> Zanetti
Ivanovic (although I think he's rather a CD).
Bosingwa
> ---
>
> CD (pick 2 players or more)
>
> Agger
> Albiol
> Alex
> Carvalho
> Chiellini
> Ferdinand
> Gallas
> Juan
> King
> Lucio
> Mertesacker
> Naldo
> Nesta
> Pepe
> Pique
> Samuel
> Terry
> Thiago Silva
> Vermaelen
> Vidic
Vidic
Carvalho
Alex
> ---
>
> LD
>
> Abidal
> Assou-Ekotto
> Baines
> Capdevila
> Cissokho
> Clichy
> Criscito
> Cole
> Evra
> Riise
> Roberto Carlos
Gareth Bale
> ---
>
> DM
>
> Ambrosini
> Busquets
> Cambiasso
> de Jong
> Diarra (Alou)
> Fellaini
> Mascherano
> Song
> Toulalan
> Zokora
Gattuso :-p
> ---
>
> CM
>
> Ballack
> De Rossi
> Essien
> Fabregas
> Gerrard
> Lampard
> Pirlo
> Thiago Motta
> Toure (Yaya)
> Xabi Alonso
> Xavi
Ballack
> ---
>
> RM
>
> Arteta
> Cristiano Ronaldo
> Daniel Alves
> Farfan
> Krasic
> Navas
> Pandev
> Pedro
> Robben
> Suarez
> Messi
Suarez
Cristiano Ronaldo
> ---
>
> AM
> Aimar
> Cassano
> Diego
> Hamsik
> Jovetic
> Kaka
> Riquelme
> Ronaldinho
> Sneijder
> Totti
> van der Vaart
Messi (sorry, but I don't think he's left or right)
> ---
>
> LM
> Arshavin
> Iniesta
> Malouda
> Modric
> Nasri
> Oezil
> Ribery
> Robinho
> Silva
> Ze Roberto
Arshavin
Modric
> ---
>
> ST
> Aguero
> Drogba
> Eto'o
> Forlan
> Higuain
> Ibrahimovic
> Milito
> Rooney
> Tevez
> Torres
> van Persie
> Villa
Berbatov
Amauri
Google Beta User
> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
>
> For each position, you can pick one or more player. 36 hours to vote.
> And I already know, my selection sucks.
>
> ---
>
> GK
Casillas
Julio Cesar
Reina
van der Sar
> ---
>
> RD
Maicon
Sergio Ramos
> CD (pick 2 players or more)
Agger - A megastud. Like Woodgate he's hurt too often to recognize,
but impeccable when he plays.
Vidic
> LD
Uh, you got me. I'll pass.
> DM
Busquets
de Jong
> CM
Fabregas
Xabi Alonso
Xavi
> RM
Cristiano Ronaldo
Suarez
Messi
> AM
Totti
van der Vaart
> LM
Modric
Nasri
Oezil
> ST
Drogba - Still the most unplayable forward around when he's bothered.
Tevez
No Bale? No Cavani? You got Rooney/Tevez in different categories of
players from Messi?
milivella
> milivella wrote:
> > milivella:
>
> >> And I already know, my selection sucks.
>
> > Yes it does.
>
> Indeed it does. No Barbie?!? Come on! It's true that most coaches misuse him
> - I'd play him as AM, not ST - but come on!
I'm almost serene about this one, since picking just ten strikers you
have to leave out great players. OTOH, why have i chosen to pick just
ten strikers?!
> Next, wtf is Danni Alves doing at RM -
> he's a RD!
I won't try to defend it, but look where he plays on the field: it's
where a lot of wingers play...
> I refuse to be bound by your selection, and will vote as I please. What to do
> with my vote is in your court. :)
I won't count out-of-list players (so *people don't do it!*), but I'll
keep a record of them, so archaeologists of the future will be able to
decide. :)
> <Scanners>
> And what's that nonsense I read about not counting second picks? Why would
> we do them if you don't count them! Of course you count them! You count them!
> </Scanners>
Don't worry, we'll find them and train them to be like us!
(just to be clear: if you pick two players, it's one point each; but
if you pick "first X, second Y" is one point to X, 0 to anyone else)
OK, I'm going. The funny thing is that I'm already sweating *and MH
hasn't replied yet*. I better have some form of satori before he
posts.
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milivella
Jesus Petry
> "Jesus Petry" <jesuspe...@pop.com.br> wrote in message
>
> news:a29205d5-a8f8-4bf1...@e21g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Here's a reduction of mt original list, FWIW:
> > Thiago Neves (Flamengo-BRA)
>
> !!!
While Ronaldinho has been quite pedestrian, Thiago Neves has been the
standout player of a Flamengo side that hasn't lost a single match
this year.
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
milivella
There's a long way to revenge, but I can't help imagining some doubts
cracking Futbolmetrix' eyes right now.
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milivella
Clément
> On 26 abr, 18:31, "Futbolmetrix" wrote:
>> "Jesus Petry" wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a reduction of mt original list, FWIW:
>>> Thiago Neves (Flamengo-BRA)
>>
>> !!!
>
> While Ronaldinho has been quite pedestrian, Thiago Neves has been the
> standout player
This is not surprising. He has always been a productive player at club level
in Brazil. Football-wise, I like his signing better than Ronaldinho's (who
to me is closer to a former player).
> of a Flamengo side that hasn't lost a single match
> this year.
Don't read too much into this, though. They have been bad often - and this
is not my admitted bias talking. Even the fla-press is saying the same
thing!
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Mark V.
> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
I don't see enough of these players and am too easily swayed by live
commentary and what I read to vote fairly in this. I'm glad you're
doing this, though, and look forward to seeing the results.
milivella
> "Jesus Petry" escreveu:
>
> > On 26 abr, 18:31, "Futbolmetrix" wrote:
> >> "Jesus Petry" wrote:
>
> >>> Here's a reduction of mt original list, FWIW:
> >>> Thiago Neves (Flamengo-BRA)
>
> >> !!!
>
> > While Ronaldinho has been quite pedestrian, Thiago Neves has been the
> > standout player
>
> This is not surprising. He has always been a productive player at club level
> in Brazil.
So it's logical to make him play at NT level outside Brazil. So it
seems to me, at least.
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milivella
> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
>
> For each position, you can pick one or more player. 36 hours to vote.
> And I already know, my selection sucks.
Last 24+some hours. So far the following RSSers have expressed their
opinion:
EL Kot
Futbolmetrix
Google Beta User
milivella
(anonymous?)
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>
> GK
>
> Adler
> Buffon
> Casillas
> Cech
> Julio Cesar
> Lloris
> Neuer
> Reina
> Valdes
> van der Sar
>
> ---
>
> RD
>
> Bosingwa
> Heargreaves
> Ivanovic
> Lahm
> Maicon
> Puyol
> Sagna
> Sergio Ramos
> Srna
> Zanetti
>
> ---
>
> CD (pick 2 players or more)
>
> Agger
> Albiol
> Alex
> Carvalho
> Chiellini
> Ferdinand
> Gallas
> Juan
> King
> Lucio
> Mertesacker
> Naldo
> Nesta
> Pepe
> Pique
> Samuel
> Terry
> Thiago Silva
> Vermaelen
> Vidic
>
> ---
>
> LD
>
> Abidal
> Assou-Ekotto
> Baines
> Capdevila
> Cissokho
> Clichy
> Criscito
> Cole
> Evra
> Riise
> Roberto Carlos
>
> ---
>
> DM
>
> Ambrosini
> Busquets
> Cambiasso
> de Jong
> Diarra (Alou)
> Fellaini
> Mascherano
> Song
> Toulalan
> Zokora
>
> ---
>
> CM
>
> Ballack
> De Rossi
> Essien
> Fabregas
> Gerrard
> Lampard
> Pirlo
> Thiago Motta
> Toure (Yaya)
> Xabi Alonso
> Xavi
>
> ---
>
> RM
>
> Arteta
> Cristiano Ronaldo
> Daniel Alves
> Farfan
> Krasic
> Navas
> Pandev
> Pedro
> Robben
> Suarez
> Messi
>
> ---
>
> AM
> Aimar
> Cassano
> Diego
> Hamsik
> Jovetic
> Kaka
> Riquelme
> Ronaldinho
> Sneijder
> Totti
> van der Vaart
>
> ---
>
> LM
> Arshavin
> Iniesta
> Malouda
> Modric
> Nasri
> Oezil
> Ribery
> Robinho
> Silva
> Ze Roberto
>
> ---
>
> ST
> Aguero
> Drogba
> Eto'o
> Forlan
> Higuain
> Ibrahimovic
> Milito
> Rooney
> Tevez
> Torres
> van Persie
> Villa
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