RSS World Class XI - Vote!

[milivella]

Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
next season.

For each position, you can pick one or more player. 3 days to vote.
And I already know, my selection sucks.

GK

Adler
Buffon
Casillas
Cech
Lloris
Neuer
Reina
Valdes
Wiese
Zieler

RD

Maicon
Traesch
Puyol
Rafinha
Reveillere
Riether
Sagna
Sergio Ramos
Srna
Zanetti

CD (pick 2 players or more)

Bocchetti
Carvalho
Chiellini
Dante
Demichelis
Ferdinand
Gallas
Hummels
King
Kompany
Lucio
Naldo
Nesta
Pepe
Pique
Samba
Samuel
Terry
Thiago Silva
Vermaelen
Vidic

LD

Abidal
Assou-Ekotto
Baines
Balzaretti
Clichy
Cole
Evra
Lahm
Luiz Gustavo
Jose Enrique

DM

Bender
Busquets
Cambiasso
Fellaini
de Jong
Kehl
Khedira
Mascherano
Mikel
Songa

CM

van Bommel
Essien
Fabregas
Fletcher
Gerrard
Lampard
Scott Parker
Yaya Toure
Xabi Alonso
Xavi

RM

Daniel Alves
Goetze
Lavezzi
Messi
Nani
Nasri
Navas
Pedro
Robben
Alexis Sanchez

AM

Aimar
Alex
Diego
Ganso
Iniesta
Jadson
Kaka
Riquelme
Ronaldinho
Sneijder
Totti

LM

Arshavin
Marcelo
Mata
Modric
Neymar
Oezil
Ribery
Robinho
Silva
Villa

ST

Aguero
Di Natale
Eto'o
Ibrahimovic
Llorente
Pato
Cristiano Ronaldo
Rooney
Rossi
Tevez

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Past edition (April 2011):

GK Neuer
RD Bosingwa or Maicon
CD Vidic
CD Alex or Carvalho
LD Cole
DM Busquets
CM Xavi
RM Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi
AM van der Vaart
LM Arshavin or Iniesta or Modric or Oezil
ST Rooney or Tevez

Poll: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/da4c3cabfed764a0/
Results: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/2e51b8cade3f4204/

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Cheers
milivella

[MH]

On 12-01-04 1:52 PM, milivella wrote:
> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
>
> For each position, you can pick one or more player. 3 days to vote.
> And I already know, my selection sucks.

Do we have to pick from your lists or can we substitute players or move
them to positions we prefer them at ?

Some glaring omissions from your lists include Bale and Schweini, and of
course Super Mario.

[milivella]

> DM
>
> Bender

This is supposed to be _Sven_ Bender.


BTW, this is my vote:

Neuer
Puyol
Hummels
Pique
Lahm
Busquets
Xavi
Messi
Iniesta
Oezil
Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney

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Cheers
milivella

[milivella]

MH:

> On 12-01-04 1:52 PM, milivella wrote:
>
> > Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> > next season.
>
> > For each position, you can pick one or more player. 3 days to vote.
> > And I already know, my selection sucks.
>
> Do we have to pick from your lists or can we substitute players or move
> them to positions we prefer them at ?

I have accepted both unlisted and out-of-positions players last year,
and I'll do it again. Let's say that moving players around the field
isn't a fostered behaviour, but just because it could happen that a
player doesn't make the XI despite having a lot of votes.

> Some glaring omissions from your lists include Bale and Schweini, and of
> course Super Mario.

And Van Persie!!! I have sticked to last year quick selection method
(BTW, Schweinsteiger _almost_ make the cut), but as I wrote I'm very
aware of its limits.

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Cheers
milivella

[The Scrutineer]

GK Neuer
RD Sagna
CD Pique
CD Vidic
LD Lahm
DM Busquets
CM Xavi
RM Messi
AM Iniesta
LM Silva
ST Cristiano Ronaldo

How Arshavin made the cut I will never know... Arshavin??? WHAT

[Futbolmetrix]

On 1/4/2012 3:52 PM, milivella wrote:
> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
>
> For each position, you can pick one or more player. 3 days to vote.
> And I already know, my selection sucks.
>
> GK

Neuer

> RD

Sergio Ramos

>
> CD (pick 2 players or more)

Thiago Silva
Pique

> LD

Do I have to? OK, Lahm

> DM
>

Busquets

>
> CM
>

Xavi

>
> RM
>

> Daniel Alves
> Goetze
> Lavezzi
> Messi
> Nani
> Nasri
> Navas
> Pedro
> Robben
> Alexis Sanchez

Dani Alves

>
> AM
>
> Aimar
> Alex
> Diego
> Ganso
> Iniesta
> Jadson
> Kaka
> Riquelme
> Ronaldinho
> Sneijder
> Totti

Iniesta

>
> LM
>
> Arshavin
> Marcelo
> Mata
> Modric
> Neymar
> Oezil
> Ribery
> Robinho
> Silva
> Villa
>

Silva

> ST
>
> Aguero
> Di Natale
> Eto'o
> Ibrahimovic
> Llorente
> Pato
> Cristiano Ronaldo
> Rooney
> Rossi
> Tevez
>

Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi


D

[Binder Dundat]

On Jan 4, 3:52 pm, milivella <milive...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
>
> For each position, you can pick one or more player. 3 days to vote.
> And I already know, my selection sucks.

It is quite interesting? Are the players based on panini stickers you
are missing from your booklet? Like your first pick, Adler? He is not
even playing and even if he does come back from injury, he will have
lost his spot to the teenager Leno. If you had included ter Stegen I
would pick him to do well next year or no, maybe in a few years? but
since it is late or early depending on where I am and I had a glass of
wine or two this evening. I am going to pick Ron Robert Zieler! Lets
say Neuer gets injured before the Euro's and Zieler comes in to
replace him on the national team (sort of like how Neuer came in for
Adler) and Germany win the final in a shoot out with Zierler the hero.
yeah i am just a sucker for those kind of stories.

>
> GK
>
> Adler
> Buffon
> Casillas
> Cech
> Lloris
> Neuer
> Reina
> Valdes
> Wiese
> Zieler

I dont like any of those guys and I am pretty sure I cannot apply the
same story to Riether that I just did to Zieler? All thse guys are old
as well? Though Puyol is more a central player, I will pick him.
Captain of the Euro champions before retiring.

Kompany will win the EPL and Hummels will keep improving.

>
> LD
>
> Abidal
> Assou-Ekotto
> Baines
> Balzaretti
> Clichy
> Cole
> Evra
> Lahm
> Luiz Gustavo
> Jose Enrique

Hopefully Lahm wins something next season, he seems like such a nice,
caring, intelligent guy?

>
> DM
>
> Bender
> Busquets
> Cambiasso
> Fellaini
> de Jong
> Kehl
> Khedira
> Mascherano
> Mikel
> Songa

Kehl????? 10 years ago you might have had him on one of these lists? |
after watching Khediera score yesterday I assume that must have been a
sign?

>
> CM
>
> van Bommel
> Essien
> Fabregas
> Fletcher
> Gerrard
> Lampard
> Scott Parker
> Yaya Toure
> Xabi Alonso
> Xavi

When Spurs win the EPL ( yeah I am not so drunk that i do not realize
I have contradicted myself) Scott Parker will be the hero and Capello
will have to pick him for the English team that go on to win the
Euro's with him scoring the winning penalty vs Zieler. ah i just love
those underdog stories

>
> RM
>
> Daniel Alves
> Goetze
> Lavezzi
> Messi
> Nani
> Nasri
> Navas
> Pedro
> Robben
> Alexis Sanchez

Sanchez has looked good and will be vital to Barca next year

>
> AM
>
> Aimar
> Alex
> Diego
> Ganso
> Iniesta
> Jadson
> Kaka
> Riquelme
> Ronaldinho
> Sneijder
> Totti

Does Riquelme still play? I like to see Diego do well. I would some
how like to incorporate him into a story about winning the Euro's next
summer?

>
> LM
>
> Arshavin
> Marcelo
> Mata
> Modric
> Neymar
> Oezil
> Ribery
> Robinho
> Silva
> Villa

You know that story I just put together about Parker, just replace him
with Modric and England with Croatia.

>
> ST
>
> Aguero
> Di Natale
> Eto'o
> Ibrahimovic
> Llorente
> Pato
> Cristiano Ronaldo
> Rooney
> Rossi
> Tevez

I have gone this far with the Euro 2012 hero story, may as well go one
more? Which one do I pick though\? I am a sucker for the underdog, so
Ibrahimovic the hero scoring the penalty on Ron Robert Zieler in the
final to win the cup

>
> ---
>
> Past edition (April 2011):
>
> GK Neuer
> RD Bosingwa or Maicon
> CD Vidic
> CD Alex or Carvalho
> LD Cole
> DM Busquets
> CM Xavi
> RM Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi
> AM van der Vaart
> LM Arshavin or Iniesta or Modric or Oezil
> ST Rooney or Tevez
>

> Poll:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/...
> Results:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/...
>
> --
> Cheers
> milivella

[Mehdi]

On 04/01/2012 20:52, milivella wrote:

Some of your selections are awful. You're going on past reputation in a
lot of these cases. Easy way to pick is look at the QF stages of the UCL
& beyond then look at the champions of the various leagues.

> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
>
> For each position, you can pick one or more player. 3 days to vote.
> And I already know, my selection sucks.
>
> GK
>

> Neuer

Neuer.

> RD
>
> Puyol

>
> CD (pick 2 players or more)
>

> Kompany
> Pique
> Thiago Silva

> RD

Abate

> LD
> Cole
> Lahm

> CM
>
> Yaya Toure
> Xavi

Boateng obviously.

> RM
>
> Messi

> LM
>
> Villa
>
> ST
>
> Eto'o
> Cristiano Ronaldo
> Rooney


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[MH]

On 12-01-04 4:11 PM, milivella wrote:
> MH:
>
>> On 12-01-04 1:52 PM, milivella wrote:
>>
>>> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
>>> next season.
>>
>>> For each position, you can pick one or more player. 3 days to vote.
>>> And I already know, my selection sucks.
>>
>> Do we have to pick from your lists or can we substitute players or move
>> them to positions we prefer them at ?
>
> I have accepted both unlisted and out-of-positions players last year,
> and I'll do it again. Let's say that moving players around the field
> isn't a fostered behaviour, but just because it could happen that a
> player doesn't make the XI despite having a lot of votes.

Hmm. Would it not make more sense to allow people to choose between
several formations (a la miniger) and fill in the players they thought
have recently been outstanding and will likely continue to be so.
Then you could just tabulate which players had been mentioned most
often, and perhaps shoehorn them into what ever formation fitted those
players best...

Eg. allow 3-5-2 , 4-4-2, 4-3-3, 3-4-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-3-2-1, 4-4-1-1 etc.

Many of your players are listed at odd positions, or at least arguably
not at their best positions.



Here is my entry based on a 4-4-2, with all players in what I consider
to be realistic places (i.e. they HAVE played there)


Neuer

Lahm Kompany Pique Bale (his regular position for wales, and
formerly for spurs)

C. Ronaldo Schweinsteiger Yaya Toure Silva

Messi Van Persie

I will also make an "official" entry based purely on your lists.

(My subs bench would have:

F: Aguero
M: Iniesta, Xavi, Boateng
D: Richards, Pique
GK: Vorm

[MH]

On 12-01-04 1:52 PM, milivella wrote:

> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
>
> For each position, you can pick one or more player. 3 days to vote.
> And I already know, my selection sucks.
>
> GK
>
> Adler
> Buffon
> Casillas
> Cech
> Lloris
> Neuer
> Reina
> Valdes
> Wiese
> Zieler
>

Neuer

> RD
>
> Maicon
> Traesch
> Puyol
> Rafinha
> Reveillere
> Riether
> Sagna
> Sergio Ramos
> Srna
> Zanetti

Lousy selection. Maicon the best of a bad bunch but even then not based
on recent form. Puyol maybe 5 years ago at this position.

>
> CD (pick 2 players or more)
>
> Bocchetti
> Carvalho
> Chiellini
> Dante
> Demichelis
> Ferdinand
> Gallas
> Hummels
> King
> Kompany
> Lucio
> Naldo
> Nesta
> Pepe
> Pique
> Samba
> Samuel
> Terry
> Thiago Silva
> Vermaelen
> Vidic

Hummels, Kompany. This is a better selection as Thiago Silva and Pique
are also very strong. Vidic would be up there too but not on recent
injured form,

>
> LD
>
> Abidal
> Assou-Ekotto
> Baines
> Balzaretti
> Clichy
> Cole
> Evra
> Lahm
> Luiz Gustavo
> Jose Enrique

Lahm, but I prefer him at right back - he is naturally right footed.
Has certainly played both.

>
> DM
>
> Bender

> Busquets
> Cambiasso
> Fellaini
> de Jong
> Kehl
> Khedira
> Mascherano
> Mikel
> Songa

See I would like to put Yaya in here.

What the hell, Sven Bender it is. Khedira second choice.

>
> CM
>
> van Bommel
> Essien
> Fabregas
> Fletcher
> Gerrard
> Lampard
> Scott Parker
> Yaya Toure
> Xabi Alonso
> Xavi
>

Xavi, although he is getting very long in the tooth to predict he will
be world class next year. Parker should be among the DMs as should Yaya
(I know his role at Man City is not quite so DM any more, though).

> RM
>
> Daniel Alves
> Goetze
> Lavezzi
> Messi
> Nani
> Nasri
> Navas
> Pedro
> Robben
> Alexis Sanchez
>

Messi, but I would not really consider him a RM

> AM
>
> Aimar
> Alex
> Diego
> Ganso
> Iniesta
> Jadson
> Kaka
> Riquelme
> Ronaldinho
> Sneijder
> Totti

Iniesta

>
> LM
>
> Arshavin
> Marcelo
> Mata
> Modric
> Neymar
> Oezil
> Ribery
> Robinho
> Silva
> Villa
>

Silva. This is not really Oezil's position at all.

> ST
>
> Aguero
> Di Natale
> Eto'o
> Ibrahimovic
> Llorente
> Pato
> Cristiano Ronaldo
> Rooney
> Rossi
> Tevez
>

Again, R. ROnaldo does not really belong as a striker (or does he) ? He
was a right midfielder, switching a lot to left, in the past. Also
maybe a wide forward in a 4-3-3. Does Mourinho really use him as an out
and out striker? I think not because either Benzema or Higuain is
usually on the pitch too.

My choice here would be Aguero, but I would rate Van Perise, on recent
form , ahead of him

[Abubakr]

On 1/5/2012 7:52 AM, milivella wrote:
> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
>
> For each position, you can pick one or more player. 3 days to vote.
> And I already know, my selection sucks.

Lazy use of an outdated FM database?

> GK
>
> Adler
> Buffon
> Casillas
> Cech
> Lloris
> Neuer
> Reina
> Valdes
> Wiese
> Zieler

Valdes (we needed options for Hart and Handanovic as well)

> RD
>
> Maicon
> Traesch
> Puyol
> Rafinha
> Reveillere
> Riether
> Sagna
> Sergio Ramos
> Srna
> Zanetti

Sergio Ramos (why do you keep snubbing Dani Alves in this position?)

> CD (pick 2 players or more)
>
> Bocchetti
> Carvalho
> Chiellini
> Dante
> Demichelis
> Ferdinand
> Gallas
> Hummels
> King
> Kompany
> Lucio
> Naldo
> Nesta
> Pepe
> Pique
> Samba
> Samuel
> Terry
> Thiago Silva
> Vermaelen
> Vidic

Pique, Thiago Silva

> LD
>
> Abidal
> Assou-Ekotto
> Baines
> Balzaretti
> Clichy
> Cole
> Evra
> Lahm
> Luiz Gustavo
> Jose Enrique

Lahm

> DM
>
> Bender
> Busquets
> Cambiasso
> Fellaini
> de Jong
> Kehl
> Khedira
> Mascherano
> Mikel
> Songa

Busquets

> CM
>
> van Bommel
> Essien
> Fabregas
> Fletcher
> Gerrard
> Lampard
> Scott Parker
> Yaya Toure
> Xabi Alonso
> Xavi

Fabregas

> RM
>
> Daniel Alves
> Goetze
> Lavezzi
> Messi
> Nani
> Nasri
> Navas
> Pedro
> Robben
> Alexis Sanchez

Messi (the best of the options but he now plays AM)

> AM
>
> Aimar
> Alex
> Diego
> Ganso
> Iniesta
> Jadson
> Kaka
> Riquelme
> Ronaldinho
> Sneijder
> Totti

Iniesta

> LM
>
> Arshavin
> Marcelo
> Mata
> Modric
> Neymar
> Oezil
> Ribery
> Robinho
> Silva
> Villa

Silva

> ST
>
> Aguero
> Di Natale
> Eto'o
> Ibrahimovic
> Llorente
> Pato
> Cristiano Ronaldo
> Rooney
> Rossi
> Tevez

Ronaldo (but isn't he a LM?)

> ---
>
> Past edition (April 2011):
>
> GK Neuer
> RD Bosingwa or Maicon
> CD Vidic
> CD Alex or Carvalho
> LD Cole
> DM Busquets
> CM Xavi
> RM Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi
> AM van der Vaart
> LM Arshavin or Iniesta or Modric or Oezil
> ST Rooney or Tevez
>
> Poll: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/da4c3cabfed764a0/
> Results: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/2e51b8cade3f4204/
>
> --
> Cheers
> milivella

--
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footballers and as such should be able to perform competently in all 11
positions.” -Alfredo Di Stefano

[Clément]

"Abubakr" escreveu:

> On 1/5/2012 7:52 AM, milivella wrote:

>> RD
(...)

> Sergio Ramos (why do you keep snubbing Dani Alves in this position?)

I can't speak for milivella, but I don't rate Dani Alves at RD myself.

At RM, AMR, RW etc., whole different story.


That said, considering the other RDs in this poll selection, Dani Alves
could well be in there for sure.


Abraço,

Luiz Mello

[Uncle Dave]

On 06/01/2012 00:15, Abubakr wrote:

> Valdes (we needed options for Hart and Handanovic as well)

Yeah. Neuer has already made some unforgiveable errors. All goalies do
that from time to time, but he only seems to do it when it matters.
He's a sort of Gomes in waiting ;-)

UD

[milivella]

> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
>
> For each position, you can pick one or more player. 3 days to vote.
> And I already know, my selection sucks.

This method was conceived to solve a problem:

(a) If one asks people to tell the best player in each position, a
player could be voted by everyone and still not make the cut. Example:
RW Robben 50%, Messi 34%
AM Iniesta 50%, Messi 33%
ST C.Ronaldo 50%, Messi 33%
(notice that 100% of the surveyees voted Messi)

But the method I opted for has its own problems. Your criticisms (that
I fully agree with) are:

(b) Some players are listed out of position.

(c) The shortlists are very debatable.

Is it possible to solve (b) and (c), while avoiding (a)? Yes, of
course. Specifically I plan to use the following method next year:

"Who is in your opinion the best player in the world in each of the
following positions? If according to you a player is the best in the
world in more than one position, vote him in all of them."

E.g. if you think that Messi is the best AM *and* the best ST in the
world, you'll vote:
AM Messi
ST Messi

This way we'll know the best player in each position. To make it a
"realistic" team, if a player is the best in more than one position,
he'll "play" in the position where the second player has least votes.

So e.g. if the list is:
AM Messi 10, Iniesta 7
ST Messi 10, C.Ronaldo 5
The team will be:
AM Iniesta
ST Messi

This way, all the problems are solved:

(a) It can't happen that a player is voted by everyone and still
doesn't make the cut.

(b), (c) There is no shortlist.

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Cheers
milivella

[Binder Dundat]

Maybe i misunderstood your game?

I was under the impression you were NOT asking who is the best player
now. But who you think will be the best player of 2012? Some of my
drunken picks were based on players who will do well next year in the
Euro Cup for example.

Of course my picks may be seen as outrageous, but I found it very hard
to take seriously when I saw Sebastian Kehl's name listed.

[milivella]

Binder Dundat:

> Maybe i misunderstood your game?
>
> I was under the impression you were NOT asking who is the best player
> now. But who you think will be the best player of 2012?

You didn't misunderstand. As a matter of fact the phrasing that I've
noted down for next year is:
"Name for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
in the world next season."

> Of course my picks may be seen as outrageous, but I found it very hard
> to take seriously when I saw Sebastian Kehl's name listed.

That was part of the "2001 world class players" sub-text: Buffon,
Zanetti, Nesta, Kehl, Gerrad, Lampard, Riquelme, Ronaldinho, Totti,
etc. :)

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Cheers
milivella

[Google Beta User]

On Jan 4, 3:52 pm, milivella <milive...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pick for each position the player that you are sure will be the best
> next season.
>
> For each position, you can pick one or more player. 3 days to vote.
> And I already know, my selection sucks.
>
> GK

Pass i.e. no vote.

> RD

Pass i.e. no vote.

> CD (pick 2 players or more)

> Kompany
> Thiago Silva
> Vermaelen
Agger

> LD

> Lahm
> Jose Enrique
>
> DM

> Busquets
Tiote

> CM

> Fabregas
> Yaya Toure--> But he should be DM....although I see you have CM, AM AND DM.....
> Xavi

> RM

> Lavezzi
> Messi (RM???)
> Robben

>
> AM

> Iniesta

>
> LM

> Silva (huh? Dude some of your positions are starting to look random and arbritary).

>
> ST
>
> Cristiano Ronaldo
Aguero
Adebayor