Liverpool - Man City 21.11.2009 [R]
Jussi Uosukainen
19' 0 - 0
Nothing much to say about the game, but so far Liverpool have already
lost Agger and Babel to injury. It isn't looking good for the team, way
too many players from the squad out injured.
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Jussi Uosukainen
>
> 19' 0 - 0
>
> Nothing much to say about the game, but so far Liverpool have already
> lost Agger and Babel to injury. It isn't looking good for the team, way
> too many players from the squad out injured.
>
50' 1-0 Skrtel
Skrtel manages to tuck the ball into the net after a Gerrard freekick.
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Jussi Uosukainen
>
> 19' 0 - 0
>
> Nothing much to say about the game, but so far Liverpool have already
> lost Agger and Babel to injury. It isn't looking good for the team, way
> too many players from the squad out injured.
>
1 - 0 Skrtel
1 - 1 Adebayor
1 - 2 Ireland
2 - 2 Benayoun
Skrtel turned from hero to villain by leaving Adebayor wide open to
score from a corner. Kyrgiakos left Ireland free in the are after a
counter, Benayoun latched to a bad shot from Ngog and tucked the ball
away.
Liverpools defence is shite. Insua and Johnson are fine, and Agger is
class, but Skrtel and Carra are not playing to their usual standard, and
Kyrgiakos is just a complete waste of space, Ayala should play instead.
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Jussi Uosukainen
> Jussi Uosukainen <ju...@iki.fi> wrote:
>>
>> 19' 0 - 0
>>
>> Nothing much to say about the game, but so far Liverpool have already
>> lost Agger and Babel to injury. It isn't looking good for the team, way
>> too many players from the squad out injured.
>>
> FT 2 - 2
>
> 1 - 0 Skrtel
> 1 - 1 Adebayor
> 1 - 2 Ireland
> 2 - 2 Benayoun
>
> Skrtel turned from hero to villain by leaving Adebayor wide open to
> score from a corner. Kyrgiakos left Ireland free in the are after a
> counter, Benayoun latched to a bad shot from Ngog and tucked the ball
> away.
>
> Liverpools defence is shite. Insua and Johnson are fine, and Agger is
> class, but Skrtel and Carra are not playing to their usual standard, and
> Kyrgiakos is just a complete waste of space, Ayala should play instead.
>
>
would definatey seen Aquilani on the pitch. Now Benitez had to bring on
a half fit Benayoun and Kyrgiakos in the first half, and had to take
Benayoun off in the second, so no place for the Italian midfielder.
City were pretty bad as well, I am not scared about them usurping the
fourth, even with that squad. Hughes will not see 2011 as the manager.
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Alkamista
>
> And I feel that Liverpool got screwed by injuries here.
Great, just the excuse Benitez needed.
> Otherwise we
> would definatey seen Aquilani on the pitch. Now Benitez had to bring on
> a half fit Benayoun and Kyrgiakos in the first half, and had to take
> Benayoun off in the second, so no place for the Italian midfielder.
I really really hope we sack him at our earliest inconvenience.
Google Beta User
> > Otherwise we
> > would definatey seen Aquilani on the pitch. Now Benitez had to bring on
> > a half fit Benayoun and Kyrgiakos in the first half, and had to take
> > Benayoun off in the second, so no place for the Italian midfielder.
>
> I really really hope we sack him at our earliest inconvenience.
You keep saying this, but you never offer a realistic vision on what
you'd like to see happen next after Rafa leaves.
- Depending on the manner in which Benitez leaves (i.e. if he's
sacked, or if mutiny occurs), which players follow?
- Who do Hicks & Gillete bring in next? Short memories. Remember the
Klinsman debacle?
- Will the new manager get money?
- What happens to the best reserves/youth currently there?
- Does Gerrard bolt to Chelsea (ugh) for a league title?
- Does the new manager at least do no worse than Benitez? [in which
then what's the point of a change]
- Does the new manager do BETTER than Benitez? [only thing Benitez
hasn't done with LFC is win the league].
etc etc.
Careful what you wish for.
No way he should go without a ready identified replacement. Who'll be
the new head coach, Sammy Lee?
I have an ominous feeling though that if ex-players continue to slag
him off, and if the Kop starts booing too much, he might walk.
Jussi Uosukainen
Well, Hiddink is available. MON, Redknapp or almost any manager from the
british isles would jump at the job. Mourinho might like a challenge. So
yes, there are some good managers available.
I still think Benitez is a good coach, but lately I have to admit that
some of his spending has been a bit of a mystery. Kyrgiakos ffs. Just
give the minutes to a youngster. Aquilani, when we lose the driving
force of the team? He hasn't yet started and it is almost the end of
November. And no feasible backup for Torres, Ngog is just not good
enough.
And see just how well Hyypiￜ is playing at Leverkusen, losing him was a
huge mistake, he deserved minutes he was not getting. Just by keeping
him and playing him instead of Skrtel/Carra this season would have made
difference of several points, I'm sure.
Now I am willing to concede that some of his spending has been curtailed
by the owners, and I think Johnson was a good buy this summer. But why
not buy someone like Sneijder witht the money from the Alonso deal,
someone who can play from the get go, not someone who can maybe play in
december.
A new manager means another 4 years of rebuilding for the title, and I
beleive that the owners would not take that risk without being able to
guarantee the new manager sufficient funds, that would be very bad
business.
I don't honestly know, but Benitez up a certain creek. He might have
been dragged there by injuries, but he threw the paddle away with his
own purchase policy. Now let's see him navigate himself out of
trouble...
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> > I have an ominous feeling though that if ex-players continue to slag
> > him off, and if the Kop starts booing too much, he might walk.
>
> Well, Hiddink is available. MON, Redknapp or almost any manager from the
> british isles would jump at the job. Mourinho might like a challenge. So
> yes, there are some good managers available.
It's no guarantee that Redknapp, Moyes, Curbishley, etc would 1.
attract and keep world class talent and 2. do _better_ than Benitez.
Would either possibly win the ECL? Maybe. What do you think?
Mourinho's good. Wouldn't mind seeing him, but he likes freedom. And
in addition by being disliked by LFC fans is supposedly friendly with
SAF.
An unasked question is if those coaches will be payed the asking
price. Will Hiddink be paid market value? Hicks and Gillett will pay
big money for a new coach?
> I still think Benitez is a good coach, but lately I have to admit that
> some of his spending has been a bit of a mystery. Kyrgiakos ffs. Just
> give the minutes to a youngster.
I don't get it with Benitez and the youngsters. For me thats my
biggest worry/criticism of him.
Aquilani, when we lose the driving
> force of the team? He hasn't yet started and it is almost the end of
> November. And no feasible backup for Torres, Ngog is just not good
> enough.
Ngog is good enough as a backup. I like him.
It's not easy having a backup striker with a 4-2-3-1. You either need
someone in-house and up-and coming that will fight and that identifies
with the club. Or a veteran that's proven and can handle pressure,
but is probably no longer commanding a starting place. In that
regard, I think a Negredo or Carlton Cole WON'T work, but Ngog is
good. And I'm happy to see us linked with RVN. RVN for 2, 3, 4, 5, 6m
is a good buy.
> Now I am willing to concede that some of his spending has been curtailed
> by the owners, and I think Johnson was a good buy this summer. But why
> not buy someone like Sneijder witht the money from the Alonso deal,
> someone who can play from the get go, not someone who can maybe play in
> december.
I'll reserve criticism on Aquilani until he plays. It appears Benitez
specifically wanted him.
Alkamista
> On Nov 21, 1:56 pm, Alkamista <alkami...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Otherwise we
> > > would definatey seen Aquilani on the pitch. Now Benitez had to bring on
> > > a half fit Benayoun and Kyrgiakos in the first half, and had to take
> > > Benayoun off in the second, so no place for the Italian midfielder.
>
> > I really really hope we sack him at our earliest inconvenience.
>
> You keep saying this, but you never offer a realistic vision on what
> you'd like to see happen next after Rafa leaves.
What's the matter with you? I've had this discussion with you twice in
the last couple of weeks. There are options out there. Granted, aside
from Mourinho, none are guaranteed to be more effective with Benitez,
but Benitez has had his chance as far as I am concerned. This is his
6th season FFS and god knows he's spent the money over the years. The
massive step we've taken backwards this year can be blamed on no one
but him. Alonso leaving wasn't his fault, but as a direct replacement
he brought a completely crocked midfielder. Our backup strikers would
be lucky to get a game at Wigan, yet he spent 18m on a rightback. His
demonizing of the owners is also wearing thin. One can make excuses
forever but after a certain point they have to be held accountable for
tangible results. He had a good (albeit little lucky) UCL triumph in
his first year and we put up a good title challenge last year. Aside
from that it's been mostly bitching and garbage from him.
I have noticed a couple of times you have asked Liverpool fans why we
"expect" the title, which makes me wonder that you couldn't have the
been the fan of the team for too long. The club expects the title
because that's its pedigree, and because it has the ability to put up
decent funds. Benitez tried hard, but he failed.
> Careful what you wish for.
I am well aware of the risks. I dont think anyone reputable can do
worse than him given the same amount of funds. There may be a painful
period of reorganization and change, but it's time to swallow that
bitter pill.
JK
ideally one who has a connection to the team. And no, I don't know who
that would be.
JohnB
The trouble is it would cost the entire transfer budget to pay off
Benitez. So what would we get? A new manager who is told to sell
before he can buy, and I don't think there's a manager out there who
could do better in the current circumstances.
Mourinho? He'd want to spend too much and I don't think he'd be
popular with many fans.
Hiddink? Not convinced he'd get any better out of the squad.
O'Neill? Would cost a lot to prise him away from a safe job at Villa.
There's also the possible problem of certain quality Spaniards
following Benitez back to sunnier climes.
When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be
afraid...
Alkamista
> The trouble is it would cost the entire transfer budget to pay off
> Benitez.
How much is that?
> When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be
> afraid...
How many storms?
JohnB
>
> > The trouble is it would cost the entire transfer budget to pay off
> > Benitez.
>
> How much is that?
As I understand it, it could be as much as £20m, but then again the
press love to exaggerate...
>
> > When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be
> > afraid...
>
> How many storms?
All of them. When I first supported Liverpool, they were in the 2nd
Division.
Alkamista
> On 23 Nov, 17:01, Alkamista <alkami...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 10:34 am, JohnB <johnsongwrite...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The trouble is it would cost the entire transfer budget to pay off
> > > Benitez.
>
> > How much is that?
>
> As I understand it, it could be as much as £20m, but then again the
> press love to exaggerate...
I'd be skeptical, purely because I dont know why any owner would be
willing to negotiate themselves into that kind of a corner in today's
volitile world. But then again, I know nothing about his contract.
>
>
>
> > > When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be
> > > afraid...
>
> > How many storms?
>
> All of them. When I first supported Liverpool, they were in the 2nd
> Division.
So are we just hoping that he turns out to be a Shankly or Paisley?
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> FWIW, I think an English and/or British replacement would be best, ideally
> one who has a connection to the team. And no, I don't know who that would
> be.
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