Best "next generation" players
milivella
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/giovani_stelle.shtml
"Next generation" = born in 1989 or after
Ranking criterium: what impact could they have on the "next" (i.e. the
present?) season, considering club team, national league and national
team.
Fantasy Scout legenda:
* picked
[there is no pickable player!]
* 30 Federico Macheda (Manchester Utd) - Alessandro
29 Eden Hazard (Lilla)
28 Jefferson Montero (Villarreal)
27 Levan Kenia (Schalke 04)
26 Batuhan Karadeniz (Gaziantepspor)
25 Sotiris Ninis (Panathinaikos)
24 Victor Ibarbo (Atletico Nacional)
* 22 Douglas Costa (Gremio) - Andrea V. [Jesus' nemesis!]
23 Gareth Bale (Tottenham)
* 21 Toni Kroos (Bayer Leverkusen)
20 Aaron Ramsey (Arsenal)
* 19 Moussa Sissoko (Tolosa) - Cristian
* 18 Jack Wilshere (Arsenal) - Mark
17 Marko Arnautovic (Inter)
16 Abel Hernandez (Palermo)
* 15 Franco Zuculini (Hoffenheim) - Enzo
* 14 Timo Gebhart (Stoccarda) - Gianmarco
13 Jozy Altidore (Hull City)
12 Alan Dzagoev (Cska Mosca)
* 11 Neymar (Santos) - Jesus
* 10 Marko Marin (Werder Brema)
* 9 Javier Pastore (Palermo) - Abubakr
* 8 Thomas Mueller (Bayern) - Daniele
* 7 Davide Santon (Inter) - Alberto
* 6 Theo Walcott (Arsenal) - Andrea V.
* 5 Eduardo Salvio (Lanus) - Generoso
* 4 Bojan Krkic (Barcellona) - Alberto
* 3 Mario Balotelli (Inter)
2 Stevan Jovetic (Fiorentina)
* 1 Alexandre Pato (Milan) - Jesus
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You can compare this ranking with the one produced by Daniele's
prediction formula:
1 Alexandre Pato
2 Santon
3 Walcott
4 Marin
5 Sissoko
6 Zuculini
7 Salvio
8 Insua
9 De Federico
10 Krkic
I'd say that Daniele's formula is superb.
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Under the 1st cycle rules, it's possible to compute a scout ranking:
Player's points = 100/position
Scout points = (sum of player points) / (number of player born in 1989
or after)
36.36 Jesus
19.64 Alberto
11.11 Abubakr
6.25 Daniele
4.24 Andrea V.
3.34 Enzo
3.33 Alessandro
2.85 Generoso
1.85 Mark
1.75 Cristian
1.43 Gianmarco
0.00 Everyone else
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milivella
milivella
> You can compare this ranking with the one produced by Daniele's
> prediction formula:
>
> 1 Alexandre Pato
> 2 Santon
> 3 Walcott
> 4 Marin
> 5 Sissoko
> 6 Zuculini
> 7 Salvio
> 8 Insua
> 9 De Federico
> 10 Krkic
>
> I'd say that Daniele's formula is superb.
Or maybe not. ;) In fact, if you compare this ranking with Gazzetta's
Fantasy Scout sub-ranking (1. Pato, 2. Balotelli, etc.), the distance
is 35.11. But if you run the same computation for the Fantasy Scout
actual ranking (i.e. points scored so far, not predicted) [1], the
distance is 34.48.
At least Daniele's formula doesn't screw up things. And of course it
would have a far better outcome if feed with more data, e.g. from club
football (e.g. Balotelli is a 0-pointer in Fanatasy Scout, but is a 46
match played + 15 goals scored in Serie A, 11+2 in UCL) and/or youth
international football (Balotelli in Italy U-21: 14 caps + 6 goals).
[1] Here it is:
1 Walcott
2 Alexandre Pato
3 Marin
4 Santon
5 Sissoko
6 Zuculini
7 Salvio
8 Insua
9 Krkic
10 Anyone else
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milivella
Mark
impact next season. From that list, I'd pick Alexandre Pato and Neymar
as likely stars of the future; and one they missed, Freddy Adu.
Mark V.
Very impressive of Daniele. I'd be interested in hearing what RSS-ers
think of their longer-term prospects on the basis of observation.
FWIW, I'm not bullish on Altidore as a world class player, though he
will have a long career as a goal scorer for the USMT. Eden Hazard
sounds too good to be true, and Salvio sounds like one of Benny's
midgets.
chris m
>
> Very impressive of Daniele. I'd be interested in hearing what RSS-ers
> think of their longer-term prospects on the basis of observation.
> FWIW, I'm not bullish on Altidore as a world class player, though he
> will have a long career as a goal scorer for the USMT. Eden Hazard
> sounds too good to be true, and Salvio sounds like one of Benny's
> midgets.
A second on the impressive work. On the basis of what I have seen,
having only watched critically maybe a third of the list, I first agree
with Mark V about Altidore. I like to make comparisons to existing
players, and to me he resembles a young Heskey. He will be a solid
classic center forward that will always disappoint by not scoring.
Of the top six, I like Balotelli the best, think Drogba with a harder
shot and more pace. Not as good in the air yet. Pato, Jovetic and
Krkic are all going to be world class players. I like Jovetic here,
he's not as flashy as they other two but possess a great football IQ.
My one major disagreement is Walcott. He has all the pace in the world
but has been horrid this year since his return, granted he's rusty.
But he can't cross the ball so save his life, and that's what he has to
do, run at people, open up the defense, and look for the open man. He
can't do it. Think Aaron Lennon who has gotten much better at making
an inspired pass this year. There might be hope but I don't think so.
I do like Ramsey but he is, I think a little too slow, but has a
thunderous shot. I think he is English, I'm not sure, if he is he
looks like the best bet as the next Gerrard/Lampard.
chris m
velvet underground allstars-still, barely top of the EPL Fantasy table
Benny
> From : rilk...@yahoo.net
> Of the top six, I like Balotelli the best, think Drogba with a harder
> shot and more pace. Not as good in the air yet. Pato, Jovetic and
> Krkic are all going to be world class players. I like Jovetic here,
> he's not as flashy as they other two but possess a great football IQ.
Claiming a 19 year old who has shown zero improvement since his debut
season will become Worlc Class is a stretch. My guess is he won't amount
to anything. Mata and Higuain would be my La Liga picks for future World
Class status.
> My one major disagreement is Walcott. He has all the pace in the world
> but has been horrid this year since his return, granted he's rusty.
> But he can't cross the ball so save his life, and that's what he has to
> do, run at people, open up the defense, and look for the open man. He
> can't do it. Think Aaron Lennon who has gotten much better at making
> an inspired pass this year. There might be hope but I don't think so.
Walcott can't stay fit enough to be anything more than the new Anderton.
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Mark V.
> > Subject : Best "next generation" players
>
> > Of the top six, I like Balotelli the best, think Drogba with a harder
> > shot and more pace. Not as good in the air yet. Pato, Jovetic and
> > Krkic are all going to be world class players. I like Jovetic here,
> > he's not as flashy as they other two but possess a great football IQ.
>
> Claiming a 19 year old who has shown zero improvement since his debut
> season will become Worlc Class is a stretch. My guess is he won't amount
> to anything. Mata and Higuain would be my La Liga picks for future World
> Class status.
Are you speaking of Pato, Krkic, or Jovetic? I suspect you are not
referring to Balotelli.
>
> > My one major disagreement is Walcott. He has all the pace in the world
> > but has been horrid this year since his return, granted he's rusty.
> > But he can't cross the ball so save his life, and that's what he has to
> > do, run at people, open up the defense, and look for the open man. He
> > can't do it. Think Aaron Lennon who has gotten much better at making
> > an inspired pass this year. There might be hope but I don't think so.
>
> Walcott can't stay fit enough to be anything more than the new Anderton.
Agreed, and like Chris M says, the skill may not be there.
MH
Welsh. Two welsh players on the list which is as many as England has.
JK
> On Dec 18, 6:40 am, Benny <Be...@soccer-europe.com> wrote:
>> > Subject : Best "next generation" players
>> > From : rilke2...@yahoo.net
>>
>> > Of the top six, I like Balotelli the best, think Drogba with a harder
>> > shot and more pace. Not as good in the air yet. Pato, Jovetic and
>> > Krkic are all going to be world class players. I like Jovetic here,
>> > he's not as flashy as they other two but possess a great football IQ.
>>
>> Claiming a 19 year old who has shown zero improvement since his debut
>> season will become Worlc Class is a stretch. My guess is he won't amount
>> to anything. Mata and Higuain would be my La Liga picks for future World
>> Class status.
>
> Are you speaking of Pato, Krkic, or Jovetic? I suspect you are not
> referring to Balotelli.
I think he actually is referring to Balotelli.
Benny
>> Claiming a 19 year old who has shown zero improvement since his debut
>> season will become Worlc Class is a stretch. My guess is he won't amount
>> to anything. Mata and Higuain would be my La Liga picks for future World
>> Class status.
> Are you speaking of Pato, Krkic, or Jovetic? I suspect you are not
> referring to Balotelli.
Sorry for not making it clear. Krkic. Pato and Jovetic are 20.
Benny
> I think he actually is referring to Balotelli.
No. Balotelli has shown improvement. He has upped his strikerate and
showed his considerable talent in Europe. I'd argue he's even more
talented than Pato. Krkic scored 10 goals in his first season at Barca,
2 in the next and just one in 6 games last season. I don't see what the
fuss is about.
Futbolmetrix
news:hggn92$cp6$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> Sorry for not making it clear. Krkic. Pato and Jovetic are 20.
I also have revised downwards my expectation about Krkic. Fantasy
Scout-wise, this means I'm not at all sure any more that Alberto is going to
run away with the 2007-2010 title.
D
JK
> > Subject : Best "next generation" players
> > From : jkn...@oacpc.com
>
> > I think he actually is referring to Balotelli.
>
> No. Balotelli has shown improvement. He has upped his strikerate and
> showed his considerable talent in Europe. I'd argue he's even more
> talented than Pato. Krkic scored 10 goals in his first season at Barca,
> 2 in the next and just one in 6 games last season. I don't see what the
> fuss is about.
>
Somehow when I read it the first time, I missed Krkic's name and only
saw Balotelli, Pato, and Jovetic and I know your feelings on two of
those guys so figured it was Balotelli.
Abubakr
His below the impressive Pedro in the Barcelona pecking order now,
that's says enough.
Insane Ranter
Where is David Jones?
milivella
> On Dec 17, 7:54 am, milivella <milive...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...according to La Gazzetta dello Sport:http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/giovani_stelle.shtml
>
> > "Next generation" = born in 1989 or after
> > Ranking criterium: what impact could they have on the "next" (i.e. the
> > present?) season, considering club team, national league and national
> > team.
> Well the 'next generation' can hardly be expected to have much of an
> impact next season.
Yeah, it's an odd criterion.
> one they missed, Freddy Adu.
I guess he's disappeared from the radar of many pundits now; it
happens, when you're launched as the next very big thing.
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milivella
milivella
> I'd be interested in hearing what RSS-ers
> think of their longer-term prospects on the basis of observation.
Nice idea. Here are my 1989-or-later players:
- Walcott: he's showing more and more deficiencies (both in his play
and in his physical form). Well, maybe he already had them when I
picked him, but Fantasy Scout is exactly about this - avoiding shining
but not golden players -, isn't it?
- Marquinhos, Walter, Douglas Costa, Rafael... Either they'll be the
spine of Brazil 2018 or I have picked too many verde e amarelo
players. The fact that I haven't heard of them lately is not a good
sign, I guess.
> Eden Hazard
> sounds too good to be true
Sure as hell he has a name that sounds too good to be true! If I
worked for a publisher and I had to re-brand classics (see _The seven
year scratch_), I would change the name of Milton's _Paradise Lost_ in
_Eden Hazard_.
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milivella
milivella
> I also have revised downwards my expectation about Krkic. Fantasy
> Scout-wise, this means I'm not at all sure any more that Alberto is going to
> run away with the 2007-2010 title.
I've never been sure of it... :) According to your formula, Enzo has
more chances than any other scout (Alberto is second, though; but bar
Enzo everyone is close to everyone else), and Busquets is a great
asset. But my money goes to MH: I'm pretty sure that he will make the
podium, and he's a probable winner in my eyes.
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milivella