Who is your greastest team of all time?
Insane Ranter
and 4-5-1
Enzo
> 442
Lev Yashin
Djalma Santos Beckenbauer John Charles Facchetti
Garrincha di Stefano Cruijff Maradona
Pelé Puskas
> and 4-5-1
Shuffle the 4-4-2.
Mark
> On Dec 26, 6:17 am, Insane Ranter <log...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 442
>
> Lev Yashin
>
> Djalma Santos Beckenbauer John Charles Facchetti
>
> Garrincha di Stefano Cruijff Maradona
>
> Pelé Puskas
>
might consider him for my team).
Weren't di Stefano and Cruyff forwards?
And I think you might need a defensive midfielder (although I could
be wrong, I'm not an expert coach)
> > and 4-5-1
>
> Shuffle the 4-4-2.
Who would you push back into midfield?
Enzo
> On Dec 26, 7:45 am, Enzo <s_debgu...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Dec 26, 6:17 am, Insane Ranter <log...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > 442
>
> > Lev Yashin
>
> > Djalma Santos Beckenbauer John Charles Facchetti
>
> > Garrincha di Stefano Cruijff Maradona
>
> > Pelé Puskas
>
> Was John Charles a defender? (Just looking for confirmation because I
> might consider him for my team).
A defender and a goalscorer extraordinary. A rare sort of player,
probably the best foreigner ever to play in the Serie A.
> Weren't di Stefano and Cruyff forwards?
No.
> And I think you might need a defensive midfielder (although I could
> be wrong, I'm not an expert coach)
Yes, but I dont want one in this team because it will mean dropping
Puskas.
>
> > > and 4-5-1
>
> > Shuffle the 4-4-2.
>
> Who would you push back into midfield?
Pelé!
milivella
> 442
Let's start with it, a 4-4-2 "diamond". It's based on things heard and
read more than seen and on personal idiosyncrasies, so it's totally
valueless, but here it is:
GK Yashin
RD D. Santos
CD Baresi
CD Passarella
LD Maldini
DM Beckenbauer
RM Matthaeus
LM Didi
AM Maradona
FW Pele
ST Eusebio
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milivella
Enzo
> Insane Ranter:
>
> > 442
>
> Let's start with it, a 4-4-2 "diamond". It's based on things heard and
> read more than seen and on personal idiosyncrasies, so it's totally
> valueless, but here it is:
Ok, I will give my valueless response then ...
>
> GK Yashin
> RD D. Santos
> CD Baresi
> CD Passarella
Overrated. Your own Gaetano Scirea was a far far superior player.
> LD Maldini
> DM Beckenbauer
He is not a DM!
> RM Matthaeus
Some would say he is the best DM!
> LM Didi
Interesting choice. LM is a problematic position, which I magically
solved by putting el Diego there!
milivella
> On Dec 26, 6:19 pm, milivella <milive...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Insane Ranter:
>
> > > 442
>
> > Let's start with it, a 4-4-2 "diamond". It's based on things heard and
> > read more than seen and on personal idiosyncrasies, so it's totally
> > valueless, but here it is:
>
> Ok, I will give my valueless response then ...
Thanks. I don't deserve such an attention, but I'm happy to have it!
> > GK Yashin
> > RD D. Santos
> > CD Baresi
> > CD Passarella
>
> Overrated. Your own Gaetano Scirea was a far far superior player.
Yeah, there are probably a bunch of better players than Passarella
after all. I could line Scirea, or even Beckenbauer.
> > LD Maldini
> > DM Beckenbauer
>
> He is not a DM!
But I guess that he would have done a good job as DM... ;)
> > RM Matthaeus
>
> Some would say he is the best DM!
>
> > LM Didi
>
> Interesting choice. LM is a problematic position, which I magically
> solved by putting el Diego there!
I could switch to a 4-4-2 "square", i.e. a 4-2-2-2, with Beckenbauer
and Matthaeus behind Didi (right) and Maradona (left): it would solve
a lot of problems, wouldn't it? :)
Abubakr
Great teams need a great rival so with no further ado,
The greatest South American XI:
Filliol
D. Santos Figueroa Passarella R. Carlos
Didi Varela
di Stefano
Maradona
Garrincha
Pele
Greatest European XI:
Yashin
Beckenbauer Baresi
Thuram Maldini
Matthaeus
Zidane Charlton
Cruyff
Van Basten Puskas
Futbolmetrix
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> 442
> and 4-5-1
Boring, and the resulting team always comes out completely unbalanced.
Here's a best team of all time that includes only players with less than 100
Fantasy Scout points (and more than 92):
Maier
Vogts Koeman Facchetti Brehme
Dunga Fritz Walter
Littbarski Mazzola Overath
Butragueno
Enzo
> "Insane Ranter" <log...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bd165997-7258-4be0...@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > 442
> > and 4-5-1
>
> Boring, and the resulting team always comes out completely unbalanced.
> Here's a best team of all time that includes only players with less than 100
> Fantasy Scout points (and more than 92):
What is the significance of this?
futbol...@yahoo.com
Admittedly, not much. Perhaps deviating from the usual mold of best
XIs, which tends to be quite predictable?
- Yashin or Banks (to keep the English happy) or Zoff (to keep the
Italians happy)
- Beckenbauer
- Three other more or less random central defenders (one of them
Italian, to make them happy) played out of position.
- Di Stefano in central midfield, because I read somewhere that he was
as good defending as he was going forward, so he's not too out of
position.
- Garrincha on the right wing. At least he's not out of position
(whew!).
- Some combination of Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Platini and your other
favorite #10, disposed randomly in the offensive third of the field.
- If there are any spots left after you included all the #10s (played
out of position), maybe include a striker like Puskas/Eusebio/Van
Basten etc.
Enzo
wrote:
> On Dec 29, 2:52 am, Enzo <s_debgu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > What is the significance of this?
>
> Admittedly, not much. Perhaps deviating from the usual mold of best
> XIs, which tends to be quite predictable?
But why 92?
>
> - Yashin or Banks (to keep the English happy) or Zoff (to keep the
> Italians happy)
>
> - Beckenbauer
>
> - Three other more or less random central defenders (one of them
> Italian, to make them happy) played out of position.
>
> - Di Stefano in central midfield, because I read somewhere that he was
> as good defending as he was going forward, so he's not too out of
> position.
>
> - Garrincha on the right wing. At least he's not out of position
> (whew!).
>
> - Some combination of Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Platini and your other
> favorite #10, disposed randomly in the offensive third of the field.
>
> - If there are any spots left after you included all the #10s (played
> out of position), maybe include a striker like Puskas/Eusebio/Van
> Basten etc.
Ouch! That hurt.
Futbolmetrix
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>
>> Admittedly, not much. Perhaps deviating from the usual mold of best
>> XIs, which tends to be quite predictable?
> But why 92?
Actually, 91. It just turned out that everybody on the team had FS scores
between 91 (Littbarski) and 98 (Overath).
http://fantasyscout.altervista.org/history.htm
> Ouch! That hurt.
Sorry, didn't mean to. But I've "binder dundat" as well, so you shouldn't
really take it personally.
D
milivella
> Here's a best team of all time that includes only players with less than 100Fantasy Scoutpoints (and more than 92):
>
> Maier
>
> Vogts Koeman Facchetti Brehme
>
> Dunga Fritz Walter
>
> Littbarski Mazzola Overath
>
> Butragueno
Well, if the game is to exploit FS' scoring system fallacies, here are
under-50-points (but-more-than-30) all-time greats:
Gento (48 points)
Combi (47)
Boniperti (46)
Suarez (46)
Zamora (46)
Netzer (43)
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Futbolmetrix
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Well, we could do a Best XI for each FS "decade". Here's a pretty good "Best
of the 70's"
Banks
Gentile Bossis Adams Nilton Santos
Burruchaga Junior Briegel
Rivera
Riva Wilkes
And an equally competitive best of the '60s:
Arconada
Carlos Alberto Burgnich Hughes Tarantini
Matthews Di Stefano Neeskens Garrincha
Paolo Rossi Kempes
Other than Arconada, everybody else has either a WC winner's medal, one (or
more) EC1 winner's medals or a Balon d'Or. There are also three WC leading
goalscorers.
D
Clément
> Well, we could do a Best XI for each FS "decade". Here's a pretty good "Best
> of the 70's"
>
> Banks
>
> Gentile Bossis Adams Nilton Santos
The Great Nilton Santos would be an anachronism here. His career was
mostly during the 50's (he played in 4 World Cups, from 1950 to 1962).
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
milivella
> Well, we could do a Best XI for each FS "decade". Here's a pretty good "Best
> of the 70's"
Nice. :)
> And an equally competitive best of the '60s:
>
> Arconada
>
> Carlos Alberto Burgnich Hughes Tarantini
>
> Matthews Di Stefano Neeskens Garrincha
>
> Paolo Rossi Kempes
But fielding Di Stefano is a trick... He would have lot more than 70
points if he had played for a NT in the central 10 years of his
career! ;)
(The '40s could make a good "Bidoni F.C.", with Renato Portaluppi and
Hateley...)
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milivella
He means "decade" as in "players whose Fantasy Scout score [= caps +
international goals] fall in the same "group of ten number" [is there
a better English expression for it?]". Nilton Santos has 78 points [75
caps + 3 international goals] -> he's in the '70s.
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Clément
> Clément:
>
> > On Dec 29, 9:14 pm, "Futbolmetrix" wrote:
>
> > > Well, we could do a Best XI for each FS "decade". Here's a pretty good "Best
> > > of the 70's"
>
> > > Banks
>
> > > Gentile Bossis Adams Nilton Santos
>
> > The Great Nilton Santos would be an anachronism here. His career was
> > mostly during the 50's (he played in 4 World Cups, from 1950 to 1962).
>
> He means "decade" as in "players whose Fantasy Scout score [= caps +
> international goals] fall in the same "group of ten number"
Oops! My mistake. Thanks for pointing this out.
That said, one can never go too wrong by writing a few words about the
Great Nilton Santos! ;)
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Enzo
Btw, I was looking at the rules and does it mean that
for the next cycle, all players picked till then no longer
count?
If that is the case, the game becomes a lot less scout-like,
since you have to pick players with a 2-season horizon in mind,
and I made a big error in picking Canales.
milivella
> Btw, I was looking at the rules and does it mean that
> for the next cycle, all players picked till then no longer
> count?
>
> If that is the case, the game becomes a lot less scout-like,
> since you have to pick players with a 2-season horizon in mind,
> and I made a big error in picking Canales.
The time limits of a cycle (1 January 2007 - 31 July 2010; 1 August
2010 - 31 July 2012; and so on) are only about *picking*, not about
*scoring*. I.e. if you pick a player after the end of a given cycle,
he won't count for your score in that cycle; but a player (picked in
any cycle) will keep scoring points *until he will play in the NT*.
E.g. your first-cycle score will be given by the average *career*
score of the players you will have picked before 31 July 2010, so you
won't know your final first-cycle score until 2025 or so.
(Hence the game is still scout-like! ;) )
(In any case, we wouldn't have accepted a reform changing the rules
about players already picked.)
Please tell me:
- Have you still doubts?
- Are the rules not clear? How can we phrase them to make them
clearer?
Rule: "The score of a player of yours is 1 point for each cap he earns
+ 1 point for each goals he scores in full A international matches in
his entire career after you have picked him."
FAQ (printed alongside the rule): "Points scored after the end of the
cycle count too."
Thanks.
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milivella
milivella
No no, this is a too easy cop out. To be forgiven, you have to join
Fantasy Scout! ;)
(After all, you could pick just one player in (the first 7 months of)
2010 and win the first cycle.)
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milivella
Clément
>
> No no, this is a too easy cop out. To be forgiven, you have to join
> Fantasy Scout! ;)
Ouch. I'm afraid this game would definitely expose my football
incompetence to the world.
But I'll tell you what. I'll pay more attention to Fantasy Scout
threads from now on to try and get hooked by it.
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Enzo
I understand. But then ??????????? ( Ignore Cycle 1 till 2010 since we
all understand that ).
1. The current cycle competition ( winner to be declared at the end of
the cycle period )
For this, the points will be those scored "during this cycle" by
all players
picked during this cycle PLUS all players picked in past cycles.
2. The past cycle(s) competition ( leader to be declared each year and
so on till infinity )
Points scored by all players picked during the specific past cycle
and before that from
date of picking till date of declaration.
3. The overall competition ( leader to be declared each year and so on
till infinity )
Points scored by all picks till date of declaration.
I am, as the saying goes, hopelessly confused.
Futbolmetrix
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> Ouch. I'm afraid this game would definitely expose my football
> incompetence to the world.
More than the incompetence of those who picked Amauri, Santacroce and Thiago
Neves? I doubt it.
Speaking of the risks of Fantasy Scouts, Diego Buonanotte (another one of my
picks who would have gone nowhere) was involved last week in a serious car
crash. The three friends riding with him died, while Buonanotte managed to
escape with "only" multiple injuries. He's set to leave the intensive care
unit and is expected to be back playing in about 7 months.
Best wishes of a prompt recovery.
D
Mark V.
>
> Speaking of the risks of Fantasy Scouts, Diego Buonanotte (another one of my
> picks who would have gone nowhere) was involved last week in a serious car
> crash. The three friends riding with him died, while Buonanotte managed to
> escape with "only" multiple injuries. He's set to leave the intensive care
> unit and is expected to be back playing in about 7 months.
>
> Best wishes of a prompt recovery.
Gosh! I just found some articles about this after I read your post. He
was driving, apparently had not been drinking, and wasn't told about
the deaths of his three childhood friends in the presence of a
psychologist until yesterday as one can imagine how that might
devastate someone. Even if he is physically able to play in a few
months, I wonder if he will really become emotionally fit. Poor guy!
And is he *really* only 5'2"?
Jesus Petry
Yes. He looks like a miniature on the pitch.
I hope he can recover well. He was pushed back by River Plate's bad
patch and has a short fuse, but he is capable of some nice play.
Tchau!
Jesus Petry
Futbolmetrix
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> Yes. He looks like a miniature on the pitch.
He brings midgetry to a whole new level!
D
milivella
Then... the same thing. ;)
Cycle 2: you pick 2 or more players (the first 2 are free, the next
one have a "cost" of 8 points each) in the span of time August 2010 -
July 2012. The players keep scoring points until they are active. Then
(2030?) the scout with the highest score (given by the sum) wins.
You see: bar the details (basically the ones between brackets) it's
the same basic mechanics.
And it will remain the same in the next cycles (the 3rd, the 4th,
etc.), if we won't change the nature of the game (we have the power to
do it! but I don't think that it will happen).
I hope to have been a little less obscure, but please give me your
feedback. :)
> 1. The current cycle competition ( winner to be declared at the end of
> the cycle period )
>
> For this, the points will be those scored "during this cycle" by
> all players
> picked during this cycle PLUS all players picked in past cycles.
>
> 2. The past cycle(s) competition ( leader to be declared each year and
> so on till infinity )
>
> Points scored by all players picked during the specific past cycle
> and before that from
> date of picking till date of declaration.
>
> 3. The overall competition ( leader to be declared each year and so on
> till infinity )
>
> Points scored by all picks till date of declaration.
>
> I am, as the saying goes, hopelessly confused.
Sorry, I'm slow. Very very slow. So let me start from the beginning
and do one step at a time.
And my first step is a question: is the quoted text a proposal of
yours?
Thanks for the patience.
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Enzo
No. I am trying to understand the point behind cycles, except to
enforce selection of a minimum of 2 players, if the way the game
is "decided" remains the same. I thought the whole point of cycles
was to have winners every 2 years.
I am completely confused.
>
> Thanks for the patience.
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
milivella
Thanks for replying. :)
> On Dec 30, 10:44 pm, milivella <milive...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Enzo:
>
> > > 1. The current cycle competition ( winner to be declared at the end of
> > > the cycle period )
>
> > > For this, the points will be those scored "during this cycle" by
> > > all players
> > > picked during this cycle PLUS all players picked in past cycles.
>
> > > 2. The past cycle(s) competition ( leader to be declared each year and
> > > so on till infinity )
>
> > > Points scored by all players picked during the specific past cycle
> > > and before that from
> > > date of picking till date of declaration.
>
> > > 3. The overall competition ( leader to be declared each year and so on
> > > till infinity )
>
> > > Points scored by all picks till date of declaration.
>
> > > I am, as the saying goes, hopelessly confused.
>
> > Sorry, I'm slow. Very very slow. So let me start from the beginning
> > and do one step at a time.
>
> > And my first step is a question: is the quoted text a proposal of
> > yours?
>
> No. I am trying to understand the point behind cycles, except to
> enforce selection of a minimum of 2 players, if the way the game
> is "decided" remains the same. I thought the whole point of cycles
> was to have winners every 2 years.
>
> I am completely confused.
Yep, the cycle system is not the most intuitive. But it's the only one
that let you change the rules without touching what has been done so
far. And it's a major point (at least IMO), because it has already
happened more than once that a new (= previously unseen) great problem
has surfaced that required a reform (the chance to reform the game
smoothly is also great because it will hopefully go on for decades: in
decades all changes - players, minds, football -).
So: the game is basically "let's pick players for two years, and then
see which of these players develop better in their career; in the
meantime, let's pick players for the next two years, and then
see..." (ad libitum). And the main reason why we have chosen this
mechanics (if I can sum up the reason why one person proposed such a
reform and many others accepted it) is that this way we are able to
reform the game in any moment without changing what has happened so
far.
Your turn. ;)
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Enzo
One cotton-picking minute !!
I am certain I read somewhere that a winner will be declared every
cycle,
and that was a major reason. Else we were fine with the old system of
picking players every year. The only change seems to be the rule
change
thing, which is kinda lame.
milivella
You're right, it has been brought as a point in favor of the reform,
and there is no doubt that we'll have a winner for every cycle... just
we'll have to wait 20 years or so to know who he is!
I've not cited this reason because it's not so important for me, but
of course it's important for someone else.
> Else we were fine with the old system of
> picking players every year. The only change seems to be the rule
> change
> thing, which is kinda lame.
Again I've of course replied according to my personal opinion, and I
see the chance to smoothly change rules as one the highest priorities
(the fifth, to be precise!) in shaping the game. But it's natural that
everyone of us will have a different opinion. Would you prefer to go
back to the old rules?
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Andre
> Quoting Futbolmetrix in rec.sport.soccer:
>
> >Overath
>
> I always thought he was Overathed.
>
> --
> MANCHESTER UNITED FC
> CHAMPIONS
> ENGLAND 08/09 & THE WORLD 08/09
get rid of Yashin and replace him with Paff or Irribar
Enzo
No. I was thinking there would be an "immediate winner" every
cycle. But if not, thats fine.
milivella
> "milivella" <milive...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:144ee150-6d85-46a8...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Futbolmetrix:
>
> >> Here's a best team of all time that includes only players with less than
> >> 100Fantasy Scoutpoints (and more than 92):
>
> >> Maier
>
> >> Vogts Koeman Facchetti Brehme
>
> >> Dunga Fritz Walter
>
> >> Littbarski Mazzola Overath
>
> >> Butragueno
>
> > Well, if the game is to exploitFS' scoring system fallacies, here are
> > under-50-points (but-more-than-30) all-time greats:
> > Gento (48 points)
> > Combi (47)
> > Boniperti (46)
> > Suarez (46)
> > Zamora (46)
> > Netzer (43)
>
> Well, we could do a Best XI for eachFS"decade". Here's a pretty good "Best
> of the 70's"
>
> Banks
>
> Gentile Bossis Adams Nilton Santos
>
> Burruchaga Junior Briegel
>
> Rivera
>
> Riva Wilkes
>
> And an equally competitive best of the '60s:
>
> Arconada
>
> Carlos Alberto Burgnich Hughes Tarantini
>
> Matthews Di Stefano Neeskens Garrincha
>
> Paolo Rossi Kempes
>
> Other than Arconada, everybody else has either a WC winner's medal, one (or
> more) EC1 winner's medals or a Balon d'Or. There are also three WC leading
> goalscorers.
Goal.com is playing the same game, but the other way round... Here is
their top 10 "How The Hell Did They Get So Many Brazil Caps?":
http://www.goal.com/en/news/2377/top-10/2010/01/05/1726871/top-10-how-the-hell-did-they-get-so-many-brazil-caps
(Anderson and Lucas still not there...)
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milivella
> On Dec 30, 7:00 am, milivella wrote:
>
>
>
> > No no, this is a too easy cop out. To be forgiven, you have to join
> > Fantasy Scout! ;)
>
> Ouch. I'm afraid this game would definitely expose my football
> incompetence to the world.
This is the right spirit! :)
> But I'll tell you what. I'll pay more attention to Fantasy Scout
> threads from now on to try and get hooked by it.
Great (even if Fantasy Scout is not exactly a game that hooks...). In
the mean time, you can give a look to the site:
http://fantasyscout.altervista.org/
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milivella
> "Clément" <lcmello.lis...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
>
> news:720149e2-62f1-444f...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Ouch. I'm afraid this game would definitely expose my football
> > incompetence to the world.
>
> More than the incompetence of those who picked Amauri, Santacroce and Thiago
> Neves? I doubt it.
Don't get me started...
> Speaking of the risks of Fantasy Scouts, Diego Buonanotte (another one of my
> picks who would have gone nowhere)
Nowhere? He was among the best players of the Apertura!
http://goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2009/12/29/1712465/goalcom-special-argentine-apertura-team-of-the-season
(more on this later)
But...
> was involved last week in a serious car
> crash. The three friends riding with him died, while Buonanotte managed to
> escape with "only" multiple injuries. He's set to leave the intensive care
> unit and is expected to be back playing in about 7 months.
...I've admit that these are bad news.
> Best wishes of a prompt recovery.
Seconded!
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higgs
> 442
> and 4-5-1
Banks
Djalma Santos Beckenbauer John Charles Facchetti
Edwards di Stefano Cruijff Maradona
Pelé Puskas
Jellore
> On Dec 26, 7:45 am, Enzo <s_debgu...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Dec 26, 6:17 am, Insane Ranter <log...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > 442
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> > Djalma Santos Beckenbauer John Charles Facchetti
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> > Pelé Puskas
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> Was John Charles a defender? (Just looking for confirmation because I
> might consider him for my team).
> Weren't di Stefano and Cruyff forwards?
> And I think you might need a defensive midfielder (although I could
> be wrong, I'm not an expert coach)
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> > > and 4-5-1
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> > Shuffle the 4-4-2.
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> Who would you push back into midfield?
Why would you consider a player in your "best team ever" when you
don't even know what position he played in?