Who is RSSs most disliked team heading into the WC?
Google Beta User
Eng?
Por?
USA (not as hated as they used to be, perhaps since 2002 humbled quite
a few)?
Ita?
Argentina?
Probably one of these five. I'd say Fra probably.
Eng have a lot of haters, but they also have a lot of fans.
The Truth
Italy, Italy, Argentina and then France. Who doesn't hate them? Just
look at their behavious at WC 2006. This says it all, no?
England is just hated for the fans, not for the team. I don't see any
reason to hate the US team.
Portugal in times of Eusebio and then Figo/Costa wasn't hated at all.
It's C. Ronaldo responsible for the hate now.
Real Mardin
> Fra?
The current trend for France hating is hypocritical and just plain
wrong. Okay, Henry handled and the linesman should have picked up on
it, but after that he still had to pass the ball (using his feet) to
his team mate who had to pick up that pass and knock ball into the net
(also using his feet).
They way people are going on you'd have thought Henry had got away
with slam dunking the ball in for the equaliser.
If Keane had handled at the opposite end, or a player from Brazil,
England, Spain etc had done the same as Henry their supporters would
be putting it down as "just one of those things".
Look, maybe in seven months time a few idiots will still have it in
for the French, but I guarantee within a couple of years this will be
yesterday's news. Win a few games playing attractive football and
they'll be everybody's darlings again.
What Rivaldo did to Hakan Unsal at World Cup 2002 was *far* worse than
the Henry incident, yet people still love Brazil and many still keep
Brazil as their "second" team at the World Cup.
> Eng?
Perenially overrated, insular fan base spoiled by recent Champions
League success who's usual optimism that England can win every WC they
qualify for is now turning into arrogance (see today's EASY headline
on The Sun or listen to the guy who told me "they shouldn't bother
with qualifiers and just have the teams that are going to win at the
World Cup...). Probably a good choice.
> Por?
Pesonally, I think the WC would be poorer without them.
> USA (not as hated as they used to be, perhaps since 2002 humbled quite
> a few)?
Oh, come on! USA hating is sooooooooooo 2002! They gained my respect
and admiration following their Confederations Cup run and also for the
way they refused to kiss Beckham's arse when he returned to MLS
following his Italian loan spell - a true sign that a country's
football fanbase has matured is when that fanbase isn't afraid to
stick two fingers up tp a flagship poster pin up player when they feel
betrayed by him.
They'll be my fifth team, behind Mexico, Honduras, Cameroon and Ghana.
> Ita?
Only really in a "love to hate them" kind of way.
> Argentina?
How can *anybody* hate a team with Maradona at the helm? They have the
potential to play great football, if they get their act together. Plus
they're always good to spice up the tournament with a controversial
moment or two.
Sorry, but outside of England I don't get why you'd hate Argentina.
To be honest, more than any of the teams you've mentioned, I'd have
though true afficianados will be saving their hate or contempt for:
Greece (too defensive, to the point where they take the joy out the
game)
Switzerland (too boring - remember *that* game against Ukraine last
time out??)
New Zealand (can someone *please* explain what they're doing there,
again? - joke!)
and possibly North Korea if you really want to politicise things.
RM
Mark V.
> Fra?
Perhaps. They're certainly not well-respected.
> Eng?
Do people hate them or the alleged hype that a few here have over-
hyped?
> Por?
Thanks to the undue attention brought to them by our long-lost friend
Andre and the smugness (and association with ManU and RM) of Cristiano
Ronaldo, they are a candidate.
> USA (not as hated as they used to be, perhaps since 2002 humbled quite
> a few)?
They are not interesting enough to be hated here. If there were more
Mexico fans on here, or if there were more brash young American fans
who believed the US was a contender to with the WC next summer, it
might be different.
> Argentina?
A candidate.
> Probably one of these five. I'd say Fra probably.
Where is Italy?! At minimum, Mexico deserves candidacy given the
presence of several USMT supporters.
Manx Gunner
> > USA (not as hated as they used to be, perhaps since 2002 humbled quite
> > a few)?
>
> They are not interesting enough to be hated here. If there were more
> Mexico fans on here, or if there were more brash young American fans
> who believed the US was a contender to with the WC next summer, it
> might be different.
I'm not young, but I am an American. I'll be happy with a trip to the
quarterfinals... and will hope against the odds for more than that.
Mark V.
You're American?
Manx Gunner
Yes.
Mark V.
>
> > > I'm not young, but I am an American. I'll be happy with a trip to the
> > > quarterfinals... and will hope against the odds for more than that.
>
> > You're American?
>
> Yes.
I somehow had an image of you living on a rocky island with a
lighthouse nearby, a flock of sheep grazing in your yard, and a
triskelion flag flopping above you.
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
So the Germans are not hated anymore? Didnt they win 3 world cups none
of which they really deserved to?
Manx Gunner
I live on the Isle of Man, but I'm an American.
Clément
> On Dec 5, 1:56 pm, Google Beta User wrote:
>
> > Fra?
>
> The current trend for France hating is hypocritical and just plain
> wrong. Okay, Henry handled and the linesman should have picked up on
> it, but after that he still had to pass the ball (using his feet) to
> his team mate who had to pick up that pass and knock ball into the net
> (also using his feet).
Moreover, had the play been stopped, it doesn't mean Ireland would
have qualified. 0-1 was taking the match to shootouts, nothing more.
> They way people are going on you'd have thought Henry had got away
> with slam dunking the ball in for the equaliser.
People talk about the subject (including the media) in a way that make
it seems France only qualified because of that handball, which is
simply false. Nobody knows what would have happened without that goal.
(...)
> Look, maybe in seven months time a few idiots will still have it in
> for the French, but I guarantee within a couple of years this will be
> yesterday's news. Win a few games playing attractive football and
> they'll be everybody's darlings again.
If I have anything against the French NT, it would be their semi-
permanent underperforming ways. It's very annoying.
> What Rivaldo did to Hakan Unsal at World Cup 2002 was *far* worse than
> the Henry incident, yet people still love Brazil and many still keep
> Brazil as their "second" team at the World Cup.
Agreed. And Luizão's dive to draw the winning PK. That was
embarrassing alright.
> > Eng?
>
> Perenially overrated, insular fan base spoiled by recent Champions
> League success who's usual optimism that England can win every WC they
> qualify for is now turning into arrogance (see today's EASY headline
> on The Sun or listen to the guy who told me "they shouldn't bother
> with qualifiers and just have the teams that are going to win at the
> World Cup...). Probably a good choice.
I'm not sure I would qualify tabloid content as "arrogance". To me,
it's just tabloid journalism being tabloid journalism.
I like Capello's England and I hope they do well.
(...)
> > USA (not as hated as they used to be, perhaps since 2002 humbled quite
> > a few)?
>
> Oh, come on! USA hating is sooooooooooo 2002! They gained my respect
> and admiration following their Confederations Cup run
I can't think of a single reason to hate the US team, unless you are a
local rival like Mexico or something.
(...)
> They'll be my fifth team, behind Mexico, Honduras, Cameroon and Ghana.
Interesting choices. ;)
> > Ita?
>
> Only really in a "love to hate them" kind of way.
I understand any big team draws some antagonism.
> > Argentina?
>
> How can *anybody* hate a team with Maradona at the helm?
Maradona is hardly a universally liked person. And his behavior
doesn't help him in this sense (not that he should necessarily care,
I'm just saying).
Plus, he's questionable as a coach. Argentina might win with him
because they have talent and football works in mysterious ways.
> They have the
> potential to play great football, if they get their act together. Plus
> they're always good to spice up the tournament with a controversial
> moment or two.
Fair enough, but controversy is as likely to generate hate than it is
to entertain.
> Sorry, but outside of England I don't get why you'd hate Argentina.
Or in Brazil, due to the local rivalry? Plus, the same reasoning I
made for Italy applies here too.
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Alkamista
With very thick black rimmed spectacles and a big mug of coffee with
unlimited refills.
REDD...@nospam.net
wrote:
lol.....
Google Beta User
> > I somehow had an image of you living on a rocky island with a
> > lighthouse nearby, a flock of sheep grazing in your yard, and a
> > triskelion flag flopping above you.
>
> With very thick black rimmed spectacles and a big mug of coffee with
> unlimited refills.
This is funny. Heh.
REDD...@nospam.net
Manxy boy is funny...as well as being a liar
Alkamista
> On Dec 5, 1:56 pm, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Fra?
>
> The current trend for France hating is hypocritical and just plain
> wrong. Okay, Henry handled and the linesman should have picked up on
> it, but after that he still had to pass the ball (using his feet) to
> his team mate who had to pick up that pass and knock ball into the net
> (also using his feet).
>
> They way people are going on you'd have thought Henry had got away
> with slam dunking the ball in for the equaliser.
Which he pretty much did. And then he celebrated shamelessly and then
acted all torn up about it as soon as the final whistle blew. Vintage
crocodile tears. Anyway that's not why I'd like to see France.lose.
It's because they have played like shit for a while and because of
that imposter Demenech.
Jussi Uosukainen
> Portugal in times of Eusebio and then Figo/Costa wasn't hated at all.
> It's C. Ronaldo responsible for the hate now.
Deco is just as bad.
--
/jussi
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt...
And then it's just hilarious!"
* Faith No More
Andre
wrote:
I would have to say Brazil. USA Australia and S. Korea and for
international politics.
Mark V.
Manx Gunner
> >> > I somehow had an image of you living on a rocky island with a
> >> > lighthouse nearby, a flock of sheep grazing in your yard, and a
> >> > triskelion flag flopping above you.
> >>
> >> With very thick black rimmed spectacles and a big mug of coffee with
> >> unlimited refills.
> >
> >This is funny. Heh.
>
> Manxy boy is funny...as well as being a liar
Are you going to back away from this accusation as well, or are you
actually going to say what you're accusing me of lying about this time?
Google Beta User
> >This is funny. Heh.
>
> Manxy boy is funny...as well as being a liar
He's not lying about where he lives and where he's from, I'll leave it
at that.
Bob
> On Dec 5, 12:46 pm, Real Mardin wrote:
>> On Dec 5, 1:56 pm, Google Beta User wrote:
>>
>>> Fra?
>>
>> The current trend for France hating is hypocritical and just plain
>> wrong. Okay, Henry handled and the linesman should have picked up on
>> it, but after that he still had to pass the ball (using his feet) to
>> his team mate who had to pick up that pass and knock ball into the
>> net (also using his feet).
It is especially hypocritical because Given committed a foul as decisive, if
not as visible, minutes before yet it remains entirely not investigated. It
doesn't excuse Henry's foul but it puts it in the context of widespread
cheating by players instead of demonizing one individual and giving a pass
to the system that generates this kind of behavior.
> Moreover, had the play been stopped, it doesn't mean Ireland would
> have qualified. 0-1 was taking the match to shootouts, nothing more.
indeed
>
>> They way people are going on you'd have thought Henry had got away
>> with slam dunking the ball in for the equaliser.
Or pulled the defender by the hair to pull him away while scoring
>
> People talk about the subject (including the media) in a way that make
> it seems France only qualified because of that handball, which is
> simply false. Nobody knows what would have happened without that goal.
Ultimately France did qualify because of that handball but as you say above
without the handball, Ireland hadn't won.
> (...)
>> Look, maybe in seven months time a few idiots will still have it in
>> for the French, but I guarantee within a couple of years this will be
>> yesterday's news. Win a few games playing attractive football and
>> they'll be everybody's darlings again.
>
> If I have anything against the French NT, it would be their semi-
> permanent underperforming ways. It's very annoying.
I agree. They have played little attractive football.
>
>> What Rivaldo did to Hakan Unsal at World Cup 2002 was *far* worse
>> than the Henry incident, yet people still love Brazil and many still
>> keep Brazil as their "second" team at the World Cup.
>
> Agreed. And Luiz�o's dive to draw the winning PK. That was
> embarrassing alright.
The Rivaldo event was embarrassing but it was hardly worse imo. Taking such
events out of their context (like discussing Henry's hand without
considering Given's foul) rarely allows to draw meaningful conclusions.
REDD...@nospam.net
How do you know?
But that's not why I call him a liar
REDD...@nospam.net
wrote:
>On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:21:06 -0500, wrote...
War hero...lol
Manx Gunner
I've never claimed to be a war hero, Drivel.
REDD...@nospam.net
wrote:
>On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 07:24:29 -0800 (PST), Mark V. wrote...
>
>> On Dec 5, 10:14�am, Manx Gunner <goal@4thegunners!com> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 06:46:34 -0800 (PST), Mark V. wrote...
>> > > > USA (not as hated as they used to be, perhaps since 2002 humbled quite
>> > > > a few)?
>> >
>> > > They are not interesting enough to be hated here. If there were more
>> > > Mexico fans on here, or if there were more brash young American fans
>> > > who believed the US was a contender to with the WC next summer, it
>> > > might be different.
>> >
>> > I'm not young, but I am an American. �I'll be happy with a trip to the
>> > quarterfinals... and will hope against the odds for more than that.
>>
>> You're American?
>
>Yes.
lol....you couldn't tell?
Mark V.
Actually, not.
bubba
bubba
Abubakr
Why is Deco bad, again?
Jellore
> On 5 Dez., 14:56, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Fra?
> > Eng?
> > Por?
> > USA (not as hated as they used to be, perhaps since 2002 humbled quite
> > a few)?
> > Ita?
> > Argentina?
>
> > Probably one of these five. I'd say Fra probably.
>
> > Eng have a lot of haters, but they also have a lot of fans.
>
> look at their behavious at WC 2006. This says it all, no?
>
> England is just hated for the fans, not for the team. I don't see any
> reason to hate the US team.
>
> Portugal in times of Eusebio and then Figo/Costa wasn't hated at all.
> It's C. Ronaldo responsible for the hate now.
Italy cheated their way to the 2006 title. Argentina cheated their way
to their 1986 success, and of course the biggest culprit is now their
"coach"
France have cheated their way to the 2010 finals.
Dunno about you but I am looking forward to C. Ron carving them up
next year, if he stays fit.
England? It is their childish press that should be the focus of
anyone's hatred. Can you imagine if they manage to win?
Real Mardin
> Or in Brazil, due to the local rivalry?
Of course, that was extremely short sighted of me. Of course he's not
going to be too popular in Brazil and perhaps some other South
American countries?
By coincidence after I posted this I stumbled across a documentary on
the Argentinian NT on ESPN Classic and, amongst other things, they
replayed Maradona's foul in the 1982 WC against Brazil where he
basically just kicks this Brazillian player in the bollocks.
Controversial indeed, but a further reason why he might not be the
most popular person in Brazil.
RM
Real Mardin
>
> The Rivaldo event was embarrassing but it was hardly worse imo. Taking such
> events out of their context (like discussing Henry's hand without
> considering Given's foul) rarely allows to draw meaningful conclusions.
I don't agree, it's all about the intent.
Rivaldo deliberately feigned an injury to get another player sent off,
in doing so winning his team an unfair advantage. Yet his team are
still loved, because they play entertaining, attractive football,
qualities which are great for erasing memories of unsavoury incidents.
Though Henry's handball should have been called, we don't even know if
he had dishonest intent in the same way that Rivaldo did, yet people
are making France their most hated team because of the incident. It
won't last. Once they get the magic of 1998 / 2000 back all will be
forgiven and the moans of the 33rd team will be nothing but a distant
memory.
RM
Bob
> On Dec 5, 6:26 pm, "Bob" <B...@Bob.com> wrote:
>>
>> The Rivaldo event was embarrassing but it was hardly worse imo.
>> Taking such events out of their context (like discussing Henry's
>> hand without considering Given's foul) rarely allows to draw
>> meaningful conclusions.
>
> I don't agree, it's all about the intent.
>
> Rivaldo deliberately feigned an injury to get another player sent off,
> in doing so winning his team an unfair advantage.
What I recall is that it occured late in a match when Brazil's opponents
played anti-football through and through. I don't excuse Rivaldo's act but I
find it understandable: the ref wasn't doing his job, Rivaldo took matters
in his own hands.
Yet his team are
> still loved, because they play entertaining, attractive football,
> qualities which are great for erasing memories of unsavoury incidents.
>
> Though Henry's handball should have been called, we don't even know if
> he had dishonest intent in the same way that Rivaldo did, yet people
> are making France their most hated team because of the incident. It
> won't last. Once they get the magic of 1998 / 2000 back all will be
> forgiven and the moans of the 33rd team will be nothing but a distant
> memory.
Although the 1st contact may have been instinctual, I have little doubt that
the 2nd hand was deliberate.
Clément
Perhaps, but in that fragment you quoted I wasn't talking about
Maradona, but commenting on your statement "Sorry, but outside of
England I don't get why you'd hate Argentina." I meant to say that a
lot of people here in Brazil will support whoever is playing
Argentina.
That said, a lot of people here will support Argentina too, if they
get to go further than us. I remember a distinct pro-Argentina mood
here in the latter stages of the 1986 World Cup.
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Lorik Atmos
> Perhaps, but in that fragment you quoted I wasn't talking about
> Maradona, but commenting on your statement "Sorry, but outside of
> England I don't get why you'd hate Argentina." I meant to say that a
> lot of people here in Brazil will support whoever is playing
> Argentina.
If you love football, you also love either Brazil or Argentina. Maybe
both by the way. Those two teams are far beyond nationalism in football.
In the collective unconsciousness, they ARE football in its *artistic*
expression.
I saw France-Argentina twice those two last years. I've never seen such
a passion of the French supporters towards our opponent, which wan twice
and left the field fully applaused.
--
L.A.
Quincy
wrote:
> On Dec 5, 7:56 am, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Fra?
> > Eng?
> > Por?
> > USA (not as hated as they used to be, perhaps since 2002 humbled quite
> > a few)?
> > Ita?
> > Argentina?
>
> > Probably one of these five. I'd say Fra probably.
>
> > Eng have a lot of haters, but they also have a lot of fans.
>
> of which they really deserved to?
If you tell me which one of the three German World Cups they didn't
deserve and why?!
Abubakr
About Maradona, he was a football idol all around the world but none
more so than in his native South America. I remember distinctly the
Flamengo players coming out with the a banner in a match in the early
90's saying something close to "Maradona, we love you!", in response
to his first FIFA ban I think (that ridiculous one for taking
recreational drugs).
Abubakr
Well said!
Clément
>
> About Maradona, he was a football idol all around the world but none
> more so than in his native South America. I remember distinctly the
> Flamengo players coming out with the a banner in a match in the early
> 90's saying something close to "Maradona, we love you!", in response
> to his first FIFA ban I think (that ridiculous one for taking
> recreational drugs).
That was a (typical) demagogic attempt to win the crowd at La
Bombonera before a 1991 Libertadores quarterfinal matchup. I don't
know whether they got any goodwill from the crowd, but Boca were not
impressed and dutifully eliminated the scum, 3-0. ;)
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Abubakr
Don't be such a cynic. I think it was a good, genuine gesture.
Clément
> On 7 Dec, 12:46, Clément wrote:
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 11:06 pm, Abubakr wrote:
>
> > > About Maradona, he was a football idol all around the world but none
> > > more so than in his native South America. I remember distinctly the
> > > Flamengo players coming out with the a banner in a match in the early
> > > 90's saying something close to "Maradona, we love you!", in response
> > > to his first FIFA ban I think (that ridiculous one for taking
> > > recreational drugs).
>
> > That was a (typical) demagogic attempt to win the crowd at La
> > Bombonera before a 1991 Libertadores quarterfinal matchup. I don't
> > know whether they got any goodwill from the crowd, but Boca were not
> > impressed and dutifully eliminated the scum, 3-0. ;)
>
>
There's no way of proving either way, but I highly doubt it.
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Abubakr
Yes but you would think that.
MH
Google Beta User wrote:
> Fra?
> Eng?
> Por?
> USA (not as hated as they used to be, perhaps since 2002 humbled quite
> a few)?
> Ita?
> Argentina?
The three teams I would least like to see do well this time are
France, Italy, and Argentina. Portugal probably fourth so you pretty
much nailed it as far as I am concerned.
I would most like to see New Zealand, Australia, Honduras and Mexico do
well.
MH
Google Beta User wrote:
> Fra?
> Eng?
> Por?
> USA (not as hated as they used to be, perhaps since 2002 humbled quite
> a few)?
> Ita?
> Argentina?
>
> Probably one of these five. I'd say Fra probably.
>
> Eng have a lot of haters, but they also have a lot of fans.
Here is my order of preference for winning the cup, not that the top
teams in my list have much chance at all.
New Zealand (biggest underdogs, and I like underdogs)
Australia
Honduras
Mexico
Spain
Cameroon
Denmark
Nigeria
Algeria
Germany
Brazil
N. Korea
S. Korea
Chile
Switzerland
England
S. Africa
USA
Slovakia
Greece
Japan
Ghana
Slovenia
Serbia
Netherlands
Uruguay
Paraguay
Cote d'Ivoire
Portugal
Argentina
France
Italy
Mark V.
>Here is my order of preference for winning the cup, not that the top
>teams in my list have much chance at all.
<snip>
> N. Korea
> S. Korea
> Chile
<snip>
Would you *really* prefer to see DPRK beat Chile?
Quincy
....
> Argentina
> France
> Italy
It's not a mircale you finish the list with those three teams. They
are just disgusting.
Lorik Atmos
> It's not a mircale you finish the list with those three teams. They
> are just disgusting.
Only 7 WC together. You probably hate winners.
--
L.A.
MH
Why not ? The poor people of N. Korea have little enough to be happy
about.
>
Mark V.
Heh! I was sort of making a joke about how you seemed to have sorted
out your preferences for 32 teams! Initially I was going to ask why
you preferred Slovakia to Greece. In all earnestness, though, I'd like
to see the Chileans go far. I'd expect any matchups they are in to be
exciting, and feel they can give any nation a battle. It would be
nice, too, to see North Korea play at least one strong match, if only
for their players to receive a hero's welcome as opposed to a more
sinister fate when they return.
Chagney Hunt
> Why not ? The poor people of N. Korea have little enough to be happy
> about.
I'd actually prefer to see them getting raped in all 3 matches. Any
semblance of success will be rebranded and jammed down their people's
throat as success of the party and dear leader. Fuck 'em.
For the things we had to go through from 75 to late 80s, after 2
decades, I'm still gleeful when a team from North Vietnam getting
raped by anybody, anywhere. Fuck 'em.
SHUSSBAR
They will be all in 1/8 finals though. Allez les Bleus
Clément
>
> Here is my order of preference for winning the cup, not that the top
> teams in my list have much chance at all.
Interesting list. I tried to come up with something similar, but
couldn't do it.
There's no team I *really* dislike (I have no antagonism towards NTs).
On the other hand, there are teams that I'd like to see doing well,
but not necessarily winning the World Cup.
Usually, some of my preferences will be dictated by the circumstances,
i.e., how the team is playing and behaving during the tournament.
So, here's the list of the teams I would like to do well in the next
World Cup (in alphabetical order):
Australia, Brazil, Cameroon, Chile, Côte d'Ivoire, Denmark, England,
France, Ghana, Honduras, New Zealand, Nigeria, Paraguay, USA.
This list could change, though, and probably will.
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Clément
> On Dec 7, 11:55 am, MH wrote:
>
> >Here is my order of preference for winning the cup, not that the top
> >teams in my list have much chance at all.
>
> <snip>
>
> > N. Korea
> > S. Korea
> > Chile
>
> <snip>
>
> Would you *really* prefer to see DPRK beat Chile?
Well... they could upset Brazil, advance, and be part of an 8-goal
knockout game against Spain (or Chile). At this point, no one cares
about who wins anymore!
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Bob
> Australia, Brazil, Cameroon, Chile, C�te d'Ivoire, Denmark, England,
> France, Ghana, Honduras, New Zealand, Nigeria, Paraguay, USA.
Nice list. My own 2 sentimental favorites that have half a chance to go to
the knock out stage are Chile and CIV.
Mark V.
> Clément wrote:
> > Australia, Brazil, Cameroon, Chile, Côte d'Ivoire, Denmark, England,
> > France, Ghana, Honduras, New Zealand, Nigeria, Paraguay, USA.
>
> Nice list. My own 2 sentimental favorites that have half a chance to go to
> the knock out stage are Chile and CIV.
Bachelet is a French name. Makes sense.
I tend to prefer realistic underdogs myself. New Zealand doing much
more than giving Italy a spirited draw would be plain fluky. Côte
d'Ivoire and Chile are also two of my favorites because they are
quality and attack well. And I can't help but want Spain of the big
teams to do well. I don't like Argentina, but at least with them in
advanced rounds the odds are decent of getting an exciting match.
Bob
> On Dec 8, 11:03 am, "Bob" <B...@Bob.com> wrote:
>>> Australia, Brazil, Cameroon, Chile, C�te d'Ivoire, Denmark, England,
>>> France, Ghana, Honduras, New Zealand, Nigeria, Paraguay, USA.
>>
>> Nice list. My own 2 sentimental favorites that have half a chance to
>> go to the knock out stage are Chile and CIV.
>
> Bachelet is a French name. Makes sense.
Naw. My love history with Chile started in the early 70's when I moved in
with a chilean folk band (charango, cuatro, pena, ..). Later on, I played
recreational football for nearly 10 years mostly with chileans from the
diaspora and I attended many of their festivals. This time around, I have
been very enthused with their success at the youth level and am hopeful
it'll translate into a good showing at this and future WCs.
> I tend to prefer realistic underdogs myself. New Zealand doing much
> more than giving Italy a spirited draw would be plain fluky. C�te
> d'Ivoire and Chile are also two of my favorites because they are
> quality and attack well. And I can't help but want Spain of the big
> teams to do well. I don't like Argentina, but at least with them in
> advanced rounds the odds are decent of getting an exciting match.
Argentina (and IVC) were my favorites in 2006. Spain will do well whihc is
cool with me (I'll get to sing Viva Espana for another week or two)
Alkamista
> On Dec 8, 11:03 am, "Bob" <B...@Bob.com> wrote:
>
> > Clément wrote:
> > > Australia, Brazil, Cameroon, Chile, Côte d'Ivoire, Denmark, England,
> > > France, Ghana, Honduras, New Zealand, Nigeria, Paraguay, USA.
>
> > Nice list. My own 2 sentimental favorites that have half a chance to go to
> > the knock out stage are Chile and CIV.
>
> Bachelet is a French name. Makes sense.
:-)
Bob
> On Dec 8, 11:47 am, "Mark V." <markvande...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 8, 11:03 am, "Bob" <B...@Bob.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Australia, Brazil, Cameroon, Chile, C�te d'Ivoire, Denmark,
>>>> England, France, Ghana, Honduras, New Zealand, Nigeria, Paraguay,
>>>> USA.
>>
>>> Nice list. My own 2 sentimental favorites that have half a chance
>>> to go to the knock out stage are Chile and CIV.
>>
>> Bachelet is a French name. Makes sense.
>
> :-)
Despite your silly innuendos, sensitivity to french bashing still isn't
proof of a french bias.
Chagney Hunt
:-)
(Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean we're not snickering at
you.)
Bob
Here comes Hagney and his ad-hominems.
Futbolmetrix
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On Dec 7, 2:55 pm, MH wrote:
>
> Here is my order of preference for winning the cup, not that the top
> teams in my list have much chance at all.
List of teams I'd like to do well:
Uruguay, New Zealand, Honduras, Slovakia, USA, Denmark.
I'm pretty much indifferent about all the others
Chagney Hunt
:-)
Bob
Kidding aside, in another thread you acknowledge the use of nationalism in
football by pols to pursue an agenda, and here you are denying that french
bashing has come to the fore in the anglo media (less now that the
neoliberal model has cratered) and it found a resonance with their less
educated readers.
Alkamista
:-)
Clément
>
> List of teams I'd like to do well:
>
> Uruguay, New Zealand, Honduras, Slovakia, USA, Denmark.
No Italy?
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Clément
>
> I tend to prefer realistic underdogs myself. New Zealand doing much
> more than giving Italy a spirited draw would be plain fluky.
This is precisely what I was trying to say with "there are teams that
I'd like to see doing well, but not necessarily winning the World
Cup", but couldn't find better words.
Abraço,
Luiz Mello
Mark V.
Ah! I sorta thought that meant, "as long as they are not playing
Brazil or Brazil is not still in the tournament". :-)
Jussi Uosukainen
> "Cl?ment" <lcmello...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
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>
>To be honest, more than any of the teams you've mentioned, I'd have
>though true afficianados will be saving their hate or contempt for:
>
>
>New Zealand (can someone *please* explain what they're doing there,
>again? - joke!)
WTF?
Myk
Calvin
Umm... they qualified.
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