Wigan
Google Beta User
I hear that they'll have a transfer war chest bigger than most
premiership teams - 40 Million pounds or so.
Sunderland & Wigan are certainly looking more prepared than any of the
three that came up last season.
Gabbage
Google Beta User wrote:
> Will be in the Premiership next season.
>
> I hear that they'll have a transfer war chest bigger than most
> premiership teams - 40 Million pounds or so.
How is this possible?
Sven Mischkies
The whore syndrome. :)
They have a mini-Abramovich who said he would splash out 10-25m pounds,
that would not matter much regarding the already spent 75m. He'd prefer
to lose it that way over giving part of it to the state after his death.
Ciao,
SM
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Chopsy
Mischkies) wrote:
>Gabbage <gabb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Google Beta User wrote:
>> > Will be in the Premiership next season.
>> >
>> > I hear that they'll have a transfer war chest bigger than most
>> > premiership teams - 40 Million pounds or so.
>>
>> How is this possible?
>
>
>The whore syndrome. :)
>
>They have a mini-Abramovich who said he would splash out 10-25m pounds,
>that would not matter much regarding the already spent 75m. He'd prefer
>to lose it that way over giving part of it to the state after his death.
*sigh*. I expect this is what we'll have to put up with hearing from
people who didn't seem to mind Fulham coming up the same way.
For the record, Dave Whelan rescued Wigan when they were bottom of the
Football League, had a chairman who had some, er, difficulties with
finance and looked like going bust.
Whelan famously broke his leg playing in the 1960 FA Cup final for his
home town club Blackburn. He used the insurance pay-out he got for the
injury when he retired to set up a market stall in Wigan, which grew
to become JJB Sports, which is still based in Wigan. Clubs these days
need to have a wealthy chairman. Wigan are fortunate to actually have
one who understands football (he scouts Wigan's signings in fact - as
he says 'It's my money that's paying for them'), is a local lad, and
made his money there. It's more than many of the top flight can boast
- PARTICULARLY Chelsea.
Oh, and Wigan are slap-bang in the middle of the Championship in terms
of wages paid (Millwall pay twice as much, ffs), and whilst they have
spent a few quid, the record signing is still only 1.4m. Which will be
the lowest fee paid by any of next season's Premiership clubs for
their record signing - Sunderland's right-back cost more than twice
that on his own. Paul Jewell is the reason for promotion, not money.
C
THEPOSH
The whore syndrome.
You seem to have an unhealthly
fascination with whores?
Did'nt you get what you paid for?
Sven Mischkies
> >They have a mini-Abramovich who said he would splash out 10-25m pounds,
> >that would not matter much regarding the already spent 75m. He'd prefer
> >to lose it that way over giving part of it to the state after his death.
>
> *sigh*. I expect this is what we'll have to put up with hearing from
> people who didn't seem to mind Fulham coming up the same way.
This does exclude me then as I did mind Fulham. ;)
Sven Mischkies
*snip*
Live with it, Sugarbabe. You are nothing without Abramovich, so I hope
for you you'll nicely bend over whenever he wants to keep him satisfied.
THEPOSH
Every team relies on investment to compete,the bigger the investment,the
better the chance of success.This is not a new concept.
Sven Mischkies
> Quoting THEPOSH in rec.sport.soccer:
> > Sven,so which teams are doing it the 'right way'in your opinion?
I answered this question in another thread.
> Say, if a place has a Big Shot among its citizens and that Big Shot spends
> a round amount of money on the local team then it's perfectly OK.
No to me. A club should work itself up to whatever it can, not become a
toy of someone.
Paul C
<anthu_001@No€SPaM€_hotmail.com> wrote:
>Quoting THEPOSH in rec.sport.soccer:
>> Sven,so which teams are doing it the 'right way'in your opinion?
>
>Say, if a place has a Big Shot among its citizens and that Big Shot spends
>a round amount of money on the local team then it's perfectly OK.
...and I can remember watching Wigan Athletic playing in the
Lancashire Combination!!
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Sven Mischkies
> Quoting Sven Mischkies in rec.sport.soccer:
>
> >No to me. A club should work itself up to whatever it can, not become a
> >toy of someone.
>
> Not even if the Big Shot is also a true fan of the team since long ago?
No. Helping the club by offering his services/knowledge, maybe giving a
bit of money here or there to help when its needed, ok, but overtaking
the club and blowing it up to something it never was and never should
be? No.
wany...@gmail.com
would you charecterize as "whores" and which would be "normal
hardworking" clubs?
Not even taking sides - I'm just curious as to where you view teams
like Newcastle.
Sven Mischkies
> Sven, just speaking in Englands two top divisions, which clubs today
> would you charecterize as "whores" and which would be "normal
> hardworking" clubs?
"Whores" was never really intended to be meant all seriously...
> Not even taking sides - I'm just curious as to where you view teams
> like Newcastle.
Every club that lives on whatever income it generates has my sympathy in
that regard. The likes of Chelski and others who splash out money they
don't have I despise.
The Doctor
That leave winner of Ipswich / West ham and winner of Derby/Preston .
I want to see West Ham vs Preston at Cardiff with Preston
getting the promotion they deserve NEVER to fall again!
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simon
Mischkies <hs...@der-ball-ist-rund.net> writes
>anders t <anthu_001@NoÄSPaMÄ_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Quoting Sven Mischkies in rec.sport.soccer:
>>
>> >No to me. A club should work itself up to whatever it can, not become a
>> >toy of someone.
>>
>> Not even if the Big Shot is also a true fan of the team since long ago?
>
>No. Helping the club by offering his services/knowledge, maybe giving a
>bit of money here or there to help when its needed, ok, but overtaking
>the club and blowing it up to something it never was and never should
>be? No.
Exactly. Wigan is a rugby town and the football team has a core support
of 7000 at best. The rest are bandwaggoners who would disappear with the
when the money ran out. That's no basis for a Premier League club.
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MH
Never mind, your lot will get in in the playoffs I hope.
Though a match against Derby would be interesting, given who their
manager is.
Benny
> From : simon <david...@hotmail.com>
>Exactly. Wigan is a rugby town and the football team has a core support
>of 7000 at best. The rest are bandwaggoners who would disappear with the
>when the money ran out. That's no basis for a Premier League club.
And you expect the chairman to turn away 18,000 because they're jumping
on the bandwagon? He wouldn't have made his fortune if he was that
stupid. It doesn't matter if they disappear all that matters is that
while they are in the EPL the fans go along for the ride.
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Benny wrote:
> And you expect the chairman to turn away 18,000 because they're
jumping
> on the bandwagon? He wouldn't have made his fortune if he was that
> stupid. It doesn't matter if they disappear all that matters is that
> while they are in the EPL the fans go along for the ride.
Except that bandwagoners don't often support struggling teams, do they?
This unprecedent success might spur a new surge of interest in football
there; and I'd rather give them the benefit of this doubt.
Victoria Barrett
<ms...@getrid.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>*sigh*. I expect this is what we'll have to put up with hearing from
>people who didn't seem to mind Fulham coming up the same way.
Hey Chopsy! Now that Wigan are in the Premiership, I hope this means
you'll accept the RSS XI contract.
I promise you, our training is better and although buttplugs are not
plentiful, the pay is better than at Youksef.
MH
Benny wrote:
>>Subject : Wigan
>>From : simon <david...@hotmail.com>
>
>
>>Exactly. Wigan is a rugby town and the football team has a core support
>>of 7000 at best. The rest are bandwaggoners who would disappear with the
>>when the money ran out. That's no basis for a Premier League club.
>
>
> And you expect the chairman to turn away 18,000 because they're jumping
> on the bandwagon? He wouldn't have made his fortune if he was that
> stupid. It doesn't matter if they disappear all that matters is that
> while they are in the EPL the fans go along for the ride.
>
In spite of a fantastic season, Wigan were 20th in attendance in the
"championship" with an average of 11,562. That may not include today's
game - I don't know how often these tables get updated.
That is not the type of crowd that can sustain a premier league team.
simon
<Be...@soccer-europe.com> writes
>> Subject : Wigan
>> From : simon <david...@hotmail.com>
>
>>Exactly. Wigan is a rugby town and the football team has a core support
>>of 7000 at best. The rest are bandwaggoners who would disappear with the
>>when the money ran out. That's no basis for a Premier League club.
>
>And you expect the chairman to turn away 18,000 because they're jumping
>on the bandwagon? He wouldn't have made his fortune if he was that
>stupid. It doesn't matter if they disappear all that matters is that
>while they are in the EPL the fans go along for the ride.
Well yeah, okay grumble grumble. If they have a bad first season though
I can see them dropping to 12,000 at best. What I don't like is a club
with so few who really *care* about it doing so well because of a rich
man. They do play good football though.
Bastards.
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simon
<nopinkstu...@ucalgary.ca> writes
>Never mind, your lot will get in in the playoffs I hope.
>Though a match against Derby would be interesting, given who their
>manager is.
De Vos was ill yesterday, otherwise he's done a great job this season.
We like Canadians in this part of the world!
I think we'll lose to West Ham, to be honest.
--
Simon
Huw Morris
> In spite of a fantastic season, Wigan were 20th in attendance in the
> "championship" with an average of 11,562. That may not include today's
> game - I don't know how often these tables get updated.
Move Wigan!
Oh sorry, this isn't bigsoccer is it?
> That is not the type of crowd that can sustain a premier league team.
Which is just as well, because that's not the sort of crowd they'll get in
the Premiership.
Huw
Huw Morris
> Will be in the Premiership next season.
>
> I hear that they'll have a transfer war chest bigger than most
> premiership teams - 40 Million pounds or so.
I love that footballing cliche "war chest". Have you been reading too many
red-top tabloids?
Huw
Paul C
If Preston NE are promoted, that'll be Wigan hosting PNE, Bolton,
Blackburn Man C, Man U, Liverpool, Everton .....all within about 20
miles of Wigan.
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MH
What sort of crowd do you think they will draw, after the novelty wears
off and they get mired in a relegation battle (not that this is
inevitable, just the norm for promoted sides) ?
>
> Huw
Chopsy
Let's flip back to 1993-94. Bear with me.
Let's have a look at some average attendances, shall we:
Portsmouth: 11,662
Bolton: 10,411
Boro: 10,400
Charlton: 8,016
(these are all in Division One)
Fulham: 4,584
So, they're all too small to establish themselves in the top flight,
then.
Wigan's highest attendence this season was 20,745 (actually, the
ground was full, thanks to the GMP's interference). That puts Wigan
mid-table for max attendances (above, for example, Preston and QPR),
and above Pompey and Fulham.
Wigan have the fastest growing crowd in the football league. I
confidently predict they'll average over Fulham next season, and
possibly Portsmouth as well. They were selling out their games at the
end of the season, and they'll be selling out next season. They've
only been in the league 27 years, remember.
C
Chopsy
wrote:
Wigan fans had to reform their club after it dying through bankruptcy
(Wigan Borough joined the Football League before Ipswich did), and
then plugged away trying to gain admittance to the football league
having been knocked back 35 bastard times. That tells me that there
have always been people who care a hell of a lot about football in
Wigan.
When Ipswich made it into the top flight for the first time (25 years
after entering the league - nice one!), they averaged 19,044. The next
season, (63/64), when they went down, it was down to 16,044. I reckon
that's not too bad.
C
Paul C
<nopinkstu...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>
>What sort of crowd do you think they will draw, after the novelty wears
>off and they get mired in a relegation battle (not that this is
>inevitable, just the norm for promoted sides) ?
THey should be able to sell 15,000 season tickets for starters.
--
Paul
Chopsy
I'd like to think so, but it will probably be nearer the 10k mark.
C
Chopsy
<vbar...@the-beach.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 08 May 2005 18:59:53 +0100, Chopsy
><ms...@getrid.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>*sigh*. I expect this is what we'll have to put up with hearing from
>>people who didn't seem to mind Fulham coming up the same way.
>
>Hey Chopsy! Now that Wigan are in the Premiership, I hope this means
>you'll accept the RSS XI contract.
I'll just pop in now and again to try to set right some misconceptions
and to hear about the Bundesliga and the French clubs. And for Vidar
Jortveit's frankly brilliant Islander reviews, of course.
Hey, Vidar! I don't think anybody tells you often enough how great
those things are.
Certainly, I'll be doing a Latics squad rundown at some point, just so
I don't see loads of people claiming to be the first to notice that
Leighton Baines is a pretty good young left-back, or that West Ham
must be really gutted that they let Jimmy Bullard go.
C
Chopsy
<nopinkstu...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>What sort of crowd do you think they will draw, after the novelty wears
>off and they get mired in a relegation battle (not that this is
>inevitable, just the norm for promoted sides) ?
Latics are mired in a dispute with the police over costs and as a
result are operating on a much reduced capacity from their 25,000.
They've sold out their last few home games, so I would estimate
16-17,000 home fans for nearly all games (lots of local derbies) -
depending on how much the police allow the club to sell, plus whatever
the away support brings.
Latics could sell out 6 of their home games several times over without
even trying - Everton, Liverpool, Blackburn, Man U and particularly
Man City and Bolton (there's history with both), and most of the other
clubs are big enough draws that they'll probably sell out without much
trouble either. I doubt, for example, that Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs,
Newcastle or Villa will be hard to sell tickets for.
They also have a surprisingly large away following, and will probably
take respectable (and noisy) crowds around the country.
I wouldn't worry. Wigan's crowd situation is very similar to Fulham's
or Charlton's when they went up.
Now, if they were still at Springfield Park.....
Man, I would have loved to see Mourinho at Springy.
C
simon
<ms...@getrid.tiscali.co.uk> writes
>>What sort of crowd do you think they will draw, after the novelty wears
>>off and they get mired in a relegation battle (not that this is
>>inevitable, just the norm for promoted sides) ?
>
>Latics are mired in a dispute with the police over costs and as a
>result are operating on a much reduced capacity from their 25,000.
>
>They've sold out their last few home games
Like hell! Last six home games in the run up to promotion:
16,774 (vs. Ipswich); 9,614; 12,993; 20,745 (vs. Sunderland); 12,007;
19,662.
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Simon
simon
<ms...@getrid.tiscali.co.uk> writes
>When Ipswich made it into the top flight for the first time (25 years
>after entering the league - nice one!), they averaged 19,044.
22,863 actually!
>The next season, (63/64), when they went down, it was down to 16,044. I
>reckon that's not too bad.
Average Div. 1 attendance that season: 27,029
Prem this season: 33,755. Your figures are not comparable.
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Vidar Jortveit
news:v8cv71tp56imhqi8h...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 08 May 2005 22:36:40 -0400, Victoria Barrett
> <vbar...@the-beach.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 08 May 2005 18:59:53 +0100, Chopsy
>><ms...@getrid.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> I'll just pop in now and again to try to set right some misconceptions
> and to hear about the Bundesliga and the French clubs. And for Vidar
> Jortveit's frankly brilliant Islander reviews, of course.
>
> Hey, Vidar! I don't think anybody tells you often enough how great
> those things are.
Thanks a lot. I thoroughly enjoy doing them, although I've been pressed
on time lately, leading the editions to be bi-weekly for the moment. A
new one coming up tomorrow, when my bachelor assignment will finally be
handed in :-)
Look out for some historical editions this summer, as many leagues will
have their summer breaks.
> C
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Chopsy
wrote:
>In message <6b3v71h77ph6nnk7l...@4ax.com>, Chopsy
><ms...@getrid.tiscali.co.uk> writes
>>When Ipswich made it into the top flight for the first time (25 years
>>after entering the league - nice one!), they averaged 19,044.
>
>22,863 actually!
Yep, you're right - I was looking at the wrong season.
Oh well, I think averaging 22k would be nice, but unlikely (ground
capacity will be coming down over the summer for a start as some of
the GMPs amusing demands are met), but 19k I think is perfectly
achievable.
>>The next season, (63/64), when they went down, it was down to 16,044. I
>>reckon that's not too bad.
>
>Average Div. 1 attendance that season: 27,029
>Prem this season: 33,755. Your figures are not comparable.
Well, I think the increased capacity at grounds like Old Trafford
bumps up the average attendance quite a lot. I'm only doing it to
illustrate a point.
C
Chopsy
wrote:
By 'few' I of course mean 'one' (although for HOME fans, the QPR game
was effectively sold out - not our fault that QPR fans didn't show up
- although the ones that did come did their side proud. That sell-out
could be a function of our 'amazing' ticket office, mind.)
And if you don't know the background behind the 9,614 attendance (and
frankly I'm surprised we had that many on), then suffice to say that
it was in the thick of the GMP dispute, and Millwall were the
visitors. A lot chose to stay away.
Anyway, last I checked, we didn't get points for crowd sizes, we got
points for winning matches.
Or are you suggesting that West Ham deserve to go up and not you -
after all, they get better gates?
C
Benny
> From : Chopsy <ms...@getrid.tiscali.co.uk>
>Hey, Vidar! I don't think anybody tells you often enough how great
>those things are.
>
>Certainly, I'll be doing a Latics squad rundown at some point, just so
>I don't see loads of people claiming to be the first to notice that
>Leighton Baines is a pretty good young left-back, or that West Ham
>must be really gutted that they let Jimmy Bullard go.
>
>C
How good is The Duke compared to someone like Andy Johnson?
Chopsy
wrote:
>> Subject : Wigan
>> From : Chopsy <ms...@getrid.tiscali.co.uk>
>
>>Hey, Vidar! I don't think anybody tells you often enough how great
>>those things are.
>>
>>Certainly, I'll be doing a Latics squad rundown at some point, just so
>>I don't see loads of people claiming to be the first to notice that
>>Leighton Baines is a pretty good young left-back, or that West Ham
>>must be really gutted that they let Jimmy Bullard go.
>>
>>C
>
>How good is The Duke compared to someone like Andy Johnson?
Good question. The Duke is younger than Johnson and is a bit more of a
confidence player, so when he's playing well, he can be bloody
brilliant, but when he's out of form his head goes down. He's also
been carrying a recurring injury to his shoulder that's been troubling
him since before Christmas and will be going under the knife for the
second time this week. If it doesn't clear up, he'll never be the
player he could have been because it really does make it hard for him
to challenge in the air - and he's a good header of the ball.
He's quick, and a good dribbler of the ball, but is not always as
clinical as he could be in front of goal - I think that stems partly
from confidence. As a result of the injury, this season some defenders
have been able to intimidate him - normally he is extremely brave and
strong and can be hard to get off the ball.
Like Johnson, he's a very good penalty taker as well. I doubt Wigan
will get quite as many as Palace did this season, though.
To give you an idea of his strengths, The Duke scored a perfect
hat-trick (both feet, and head) when we were in the division below in
2002 against West Brom (before they got relegated from the Prem the
last time) in the Worthington Cup, and I *think* the hat-trick he
scored when he was in the Third Division with Bristol Rovers against
Premiership Derby the season before was also one with each foot and a
header. Both were Premiership defences, so I'm confident he'll be able
to perform at least against the lesser clubs.
The Duke is certainly as good as Dean Ashton, who I rated as on a par
with Johnson. But that's when he's fully fit. In short, if he gets
fully fit again, he can be as good as, if not better than, Johnson.
I'm not sure if that shoulder will ever fully mend, though.
C
THEPOSH
>...or that West Ham must be really gutted that they let Jimmy Bullard
go.
Or that Peterborough were really gutted to let him go ;)
Chopsy
I'm sure Peter Kennedy was a more than adequate replacement.
Ho ho.
C
Benny
> From : Chopsy <ms...@getrid.tiscali.co.uk>
>Good question. The Duke is younger than Johnson and is a bit more of a
>confidence player, so when he's playing well, he can be bloody
>brilliant, but when he's out of form his head goes down. He's also
>been carrying a recurring injury to his shoulder that's been troubling
>him since before Christmas and will be going under the knife for the
>second time this week. If it doesn't clear up, he'll never be the
>player he could have been because it really does make it hard for him
>to challenge in the air - and he's a good header of the ball.
>He's quick, and a good dribbler of the ball, but is not always as
>clinical as he could be in front of goal - I think that stems partly
>from confidence. As a result of the injury, this season some defenders
>have been able to intimidate him - normally he is extremely brave and
>strong and can be hard to get off the ball.
>Like Johnson, he's a very good penalty taker as well. I doubt Wigan
>will get quite as many as Palace did this season, though.
>
>The Duke is certainly as good as Dean Ashton, who I rated as on a par
>with Johnson. But that's when he's fully fit. In short, if he gets
>fully fit again, he can be as good as, if not better than, Johnson.
>I'm not sure if that shoulder will ever fully mend, though.
It's a shame to hear he's having these problems at his age. Is it a
rotator cuff injury?
Chopsy
wrote:
>> Subject : Wigan
>> From : Chopsy <ms...@getrid.tiscali.co.uk>
>>The Duke is certainly as good as Dean Ashton, who I rated as on a par
>>with Johnson. But that's when he's fully fit. In short, if he gets
>>fully fit again, he can be as good as, if not better than, Johnson.
>>I'm not sure if that shoulder will ever fully mend, though.
>
>It's a shame to hear he's having these problems at his age. Is it a
>rotator cuff injury?
I'm not very clear on what the medical terminology is, but it's
extremely susceptible to dislocation. He's dislocated it several times
this season, and obviously it needs a lot of protection. He's played
with a harness on a couple of times, but that's not helped too much. I
don't know if he has to have painkillers before games, but it wouldn't
surprise me.
C