lubricating bearings
Paul Malam
lubing bearings? I use the gt50 on my bike and it does great.
full name
>Would anyone recommend the use of teflon spray (such as wd40, or gt50) for
>lubing bearings? I use the gt50 on my bike and it does great.
WD-40 is a teflon spray? WD-40 removes grease, so do not use it as a
lubricant.
--
orphans of invention
http://home.att.net/~lshaping
Bob Cardone
>Would anyone recommend the use of teflon spray (such as wd40, or gt50) for
>lubing bearings? I use the gt50 on my bike and it does great.
>
WD40 is not a Teflon spray and it is a horrible lubricant. If you
want to use something like that try Tri-flow, but you must put it on
constantly. Not a good bearing lube in my opinion. Why not get one
of the Inline Gels in a skate shop instead.
Bob
Mike van Erp
> "Paul Malam" <pma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Would anyone recommend the use of teflon spray (such as wd40, or gt50) for
> >lubing bearings? I use the gt50 on my bike and it does great.
>
> WD-40 is a teflon spray? WD-40 removes grease, so do not use it as a
> lubricant.
You're mistaken, WD-40 is actually a lubricant. It's just a very thin
one so it won't stay working in your bearings too long. Quite a few
racers apparently use it, but it means maintaining their race bearings
really often. Check out http://www.wd40.com
Personally I prefer grease because I hate bearing maintenance and
don't mind a small increase in rolling resistance.
Cheers,
Mike.
full name
From the open UseNet.
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=WD-40%20%2bis%20%2bNOT%20%2ba%20lubricant&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&lr=lang_en&num=100&as_scoring=d&hl=en
Cedric
> The product WD-40 is a penetrating degreaser/cleaner, not a lubricant.
That is also what I thought but from what I've read and heard, a lot of
skaters are using it as lubricant. You can also find this :
"With literally thousands of uses, WD-40 is the #1 multi-purpose problem
solver. It cleans, protects, penetrates, lubricates and displaces moisture
like no other product on earth." on the WD-40 website.
Keep in mind that UseNet is NOT the source of all knowledge.
full name
>"full name" <em...@address.com> wrote
>>The product WD-40 is a penetrating degreaser/cleaner, not a lubricant.
>>From the open UseNet.
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=WD-40%20%2bis%20%2bNOT%20%2ba%20lubricant&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&lr=lang_en&num=100&as_scoring=d&hl=en
>>From this group.
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=WD-40%20%2bis%20%2bNOT%20%2ba%20lubricant&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_ugroup=rec.sport.skating.inline&lr=lang_en&num=100&as_scoring=d&hl=en
>
>That is also what I thought but from what I've read and heard, a lot of
>skaters are using it as lubricant.
Provide some citations for that hearsay.
>You can also find this :
>"With literally thousands of uses, WD-40 is the #1 multi-purpose problem
>solver. It cleans, protects, penetrates, lubricates and displaces moisture
>like no other product on earth." on the WD-40 website.
You can drink tadpole water, but that doesn't make it a drink.
>Keep in mind that UseNet is NOT the source of all knowledge.
UseNet is the wisdom and folly of the world.
In fact, you can find A GREAT DEAL OF PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE on UseNet. That
is why the links I provided are worth tons more than your hearsay.
Cedric
> Provide some citations for that hearsay.
http://www.hyb-ride.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=186&highlight=wd40
http://www.hyb-ride.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139&highlight=wd40
http://www.hyb-ride.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23&highlight=wd40
http://www.londonskaters.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2058&highlight=wd40 (on
this one, you'll actually have both arguments)
> UseNet is the wisdom and folly of the world.
>
> In fact, you can find A GREAT DEAL OF PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE on UseNet. That
> is why the links I provided are worth tons more than your hearsay.
You know, just like me, that you'll find anything and it's opposite on the
usenet (and the net in general).
By the way, a link is nothing more than the written trace of an hearsay.
If I read that a lot of skaters are using it as a lubricant and it does work
(knowing that people claiming that it doesn't, usually don't use it as
lubricant, which means they have no "PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE" about it), I'll
have a tendancy to believe them. If after that I take the word of the
manufacturer that tells me it IS a lubricant, I know that I have a great
chance to have a valid point. That is called cross-checking (at least it is
the best translation I could find).
Anybody could find tons of links about anything, that's why cross-checking
is the key (first skaters that say they use it, second manufacturer that
define it as a lubricant, third personnal experience). Anything wrong with
that method ?
full name
>"full name" <em...@address.com> wrote
>> Provide some citations for that hearsay.
>http://www.londonskaters.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2058&highlight=wd40 (on
>this one, you'll actually have both arguments)
One of them wrote:
>I think it's coz i'm a lazy bugger, and using wd40 is easy enough for me,
>can't be bothered with anything more difficult than the "point and spray
>liberally" of wd40!
That is what I figured. It is silly, just like this argument. I would not
mind contention about real oils/grease, something meaningful. Instead, you
are bent on pretending that WD-40 is a lubricant. It is not intended to be
a lubricant and doesn't work well as a lubricant.
Cedric
> That is what I figured. It is silly, just like this argument. I would not
> mind contention about real oils/grease, something meaningful. Instead, you
> are bent on pretending that WD-40 is a lubricant. It is not intended to be
> a lubricant and doesn't work well as a lubricant.
It works as a lubricant, sorry if my "practical experience" goes against
your theory.
You can do as some skaters do. When you've finished skating, remove your
bearings and put them in WD-40 until the next use (no need to do that all
the time). Sorry if it just works, sorry if some people use it.
"4. LUBRICATES: WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and
tenaciously held to all moving parts. "
http://www.wd40.com/Brands/wd40_faqs.html
Edward Dike, III
"Cedric" <cb> wrote in message news:3e7240db$1...@news.swissonline.ch...
Would you expect them to tell you not to use their product?
'Lubricates', and 'lubricates ball bearings well' are distinctly different
with regards to WD-40.
Without knowing the exact specs, I suspect that WD-40 has too high a vapor
pressure(evaporates too readily), and low shear strength( would get squeezed
out from between bearing/ race allowing metal on metal contact...bye-bye
bearing) to be a practical bearing lube.
While it is a handy thing to have around, any one function of WD-40, in a
critical application, would be better served by some other specific purpose
chemical.
If you use solely WD-40 for a wheel bearing lube, it will probably have to
be reapplied every day/ 50 miles, whichever occurs first. The heat of the
bearings will vaporize it in short order.
There are numerous lubes, equally easy to use, that will last a lot longer.
That said, I have frequently used WD-40 to dilute light oil as a lube. It
carries the thinned oil throughout the bearing assembly.
Unless you really like playing with bearings, a dab of grease, or a small
drop of light oil on each bearing assembly is a much more practical way to
go.
ED3
Cedric
"Edward Dike, III" <edd3remov...@qwestion.net> wrote in message
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> Would you expect them to tell you not to use their product?
That's why I cross checked that with other informations. All the info I have
tend to let me think that it actually works.
Bob Cardone
Bob Cardone
Hey, anyone that thinks it's a great lubricant, drain the oil out of
your car engine, fill it with an equivalent amount of WD-40 and see
how many feet you can drive.. :)
Bob
Edward Dike, III
"Cedric" <cb> wrote in message news:3e726f05$1...@news.swissonline.ch...
you really find existing applications in ball bearings; skates, or
otherwise? I know people who consider their skate bearings lubed for short
races by merely walking a dry bearing through the room in which an oil can
was kept.
ED3
Bob Cardone
It works if you keep your bearings swimming in the stuff "constantly",
and even then , I wouldn't trust it .
Bob
Bob Cardone
Or some K-Y Jelly
Bob
Cedric
> Not to start an argument, as others can do that much better than I. But,
do
> you really find existing applications in ball bearings; skates, or
> otherwise? I know people who consider their skate bearings lubed for short
> races by merely walking a dry bearing through the room in which an oil
can
> was kept.
I'm not sure at all I understood your question, but I got tired of the
maintenance required by bearings. So basically what I do is to use them
untill they feel dodgy. Then I start the WD-40 tricks. But if someone knows
another cheap and easy to find product that could do better with that low
maintenance level, I'll be happy to give it a try.
Edward Dike, III
"Cedric" <cb> wrote in message news:3e72...@news.swissonline.ch...
skates or otherwise.
When you say dodgy, I am assuming you mean the original lube is beginning to
fail?
I suspect grit or other contaminants , rather than the lube expiring, would
more likely degrade performance.
As far as cheap, and easy: other than grease( I rarely use the stuff, unless
I anticipate skating in the rain)..
... motor oil, automatic transmission fluid, Marvel Mystery oil, 3/1
oils... any thin, clear oil....
All cheap, and good for 100+ miles of routine(read clean/dry) skating.
At times I throw my bearings into WD-40 if they got wet, and/or I want to
store them until I get around to cleaning them. If the WD-40 is clean, I am
not particularly concerned that the bearings are wet with it when I relube
them.
ED3
#58-SpangleFoxx-O
Another of my passions is motorsport. We have used WD-40 to flush out and
re-lube kart wheel bearings. A lot of rolling resistance is removed using
WD-40. Although the overall life of the bearings is reduced. Useful though
if the grease has bn washed out in wet conditions to re-lube them.
Some of these bearings are stressed to over 100mph and we have had NO
failures wrt to bearings. Although they are changed fairly regularly and
re-lubed.
My advice would be to use WD-40 if you are trying to squeeze the very last
bit of speed out of your skates, a la speed skating, as it requires less
energy to rotate bearings when the lube isn't so viscous. On the flip side
you'll have to look at things like re-lube frequently and a slightly higher
wear rate. Also a consideration is 'feel'. To me stiffer bearings offer
somehow more 'feel' than ones that run away from you.
Another thing to consider with lube is temperature. Here in Britain it's
fairly cold. So WD-40 is OK for such use as it doesn't thin If you go to
areas where its 30+ then id say look at thicker oils which would thin at the
higher temps. A bit like the idea behind using certain oils in car engines
that come from different climates. Look at how viscous they are and how well
they maintain your desired viscosity over the given operating temp range.
SF
"Edward Dike, III" <edd3remov...@qwestion.net> wrote in message
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Phil Earnhardt
WD-40 is the Yugo of bearing lubricants.
>Bob
Saw no follow-up to my questions in the other thread. Guess there
really wasn't another analogy. Oh, well.
--phil
full name
>Another of my passions is motorsport.
Interesting claim. The next question is "Are you a passion of motor sport?"
I just plugged "WD-40 is not a lubricant" into Yahoo search and the first
result is from www.geckermotorsports.com/Lubrication.htm
>Some of these bearings are stressed to over 100mph and we have had
>NO failures wrt to bearings.
Another interesting claim. Unfortunately, I find nothing about motor sports
on the Internet when I plug "SpangleFoxx" into a search engine.
>My advice would be to use WD-40 if you are trying to squeeze the
>very last bit of speed out of your skates, a la speed skating, as it
>requires less energy to rotate bearings when the lube isn't so viscous.
That advice is based on the mistaken idea that a lighter oil translates
into higher skate bearing functionality.
Who can the reader blame when he (or she) finds out your advice sucks?
>On the flip side you'll have to look at things like re-lube frequently
>and a slightly higher wear rate.
Expect low functionality and high wear rate.
Mike van Erp
> Hey, anyone that thinks it's a great lubricant, drain the oil out of
> your car engine, fill it with an equivalent amount of WD-40 and see
> how many feet you can drive.. :)
Surely there is no such thing as a great lubricant? There are good
lubricants for specific purposes, and your example is an obvious
mismatch for something like WD-40.
It's like me suggesting to try using your car oil to lubricate a boat
trailer. Won't work very well, will it? According to your logic, car
oil must therefore be a poor lubricant.
Cheers,
Mike.
Cedric
> Another interesting claim. Unfortunately, I find nothing about motor
sports
> on the Internet when I plug "SpangleFoxx" into a search engine.
You're funny.
Everything that someone says is supposed to be internet-related with you. Do
you know that outiside of internet exists a thing that is called "life" ? Do
you know that a lot of people are doing various things in this "life"
without going into a newsgroups to talk about them ? But you're right, if
it's written then it must be true
Paul Malam
lubricant. Mountain Bikers swear by it to give quick lubrication. Its sold
in all decent pro bike shops. Why would they do so if it wasnt a lube? OK
OK, so a bike is not a skate, but surely we are talking about the same
principles?
"Mike van Erp" <mikevan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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full name
full name
>I also mentioned GT50, which is same kind of stuff as WD40 and IS sold as a
>lubricant. Mountain Bikers swear by it to give quick lubrication. Its sold
>in all decent pro bike shops. Why would they do so if it wasnt a lube? OK
>OK, so a bike is not a skate, but surely we are talking about the same
>principles?
The answer is simple. Provide some citations for those claims.
FWIW.
...I agree that WD-40 is better than nothing. But that depends on the
oil/grease it disolves/displaces.
...I disagree that it is good for making bearings roll easier. A lighter
oil does not necessarily go faster. It depends on the grinding pressure and
such.
I use WD-40 a lot. Using it effectively depends partly on knowing its
weaknesses. Have you ever closely watched as its traces spread across a
piece of flat metal? WD-40 is not a lubricant, it is a penetrating
degreaser/cleaner.
Using WD-40 as a lubricant is sort of like using hand soap as skin lotion.
:o/
Cedric
> The answer is simple. Provide some citations for those claims.
Don't you think he's really funny ?
full name
Cedric
> No thanks.
Oh yes you are funny, don't have such a low self-esteem.
Edward Dike, III
"Paul Malam" <pma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| I also mentioned GT50, which is same kind of stuff as WD40 and IS sold as
a
| lubricant. Mountain Bikers swear by it to give quick lubrication. Its
sold
| in all decent pro bike shops. Why would they do so if it wasnt a lube?
OK
| OK, so a bike is not a skate, but surely we are talking about the same
| principles?
|
The obvious question is: Lubricating WHAT? Wheel bearings...? drive
chain, cables/ housings/ brake/shifter levers, pivots, brakes, derailers...
?
Yes the principle of using a fluid to reduces friction between parts is the
same. In practice what works to make a brake cable slide through a housing
differs significantly from effective ball bearing lubrication.
There exists plenty of good information of the technique and materials for
lubrication skate bearings for speed, or low maintenance.
Use what you will, they are your bearings.
ED3
Bob Cardone
Tri-Flow will work much better although it still would not be my
choice for a bearing lube on skates.
Bob
Bob Cardone
No, actually Phil, debating a nonsensical and relatively unimportant
"nit" with you quickly gets very tedious, and boring and sort of anal
retentive and I just lose interest. :)
Bob
Bob Cardone
>I use WD-40 a lot. Using it effectively depends partly on knowing its
>weaknesses. Have you ever closely watched as its traces spread across a
>piece of flat metal? WD-40 is not a lubricant, it is a penetrating
>degreaser/cleaner.
You are correct!!
Bob
Bob Cardone
Mike, I have been researching this WD-40 thing for many years due to
interests in skating , cycling and Model aircraft applications. I have
spoken with people that are pretty active in bearing design and
research over the years, and everyone I have talked to has told me
that WD-40s best use is as a cleaner and penetrator and is worth very
little as a lubricant. In a spay type of lube, if you want something
with some staying power, Tri-Flow is what everyone uses, as better
alternative to WD-40. I see no comments on Tri-Flow on this thread
except mine, so apparently nobody knows what I am talking about. It
might be something to research. It even comes as a Grease now.
Bob
#58-SpangleFoxx-O
WD-40 as lube..............so that 's why I had posted!
The only way to see if it is any good would be to test it.
Get your skates out, use bearings with grease. Time how long it takes you to
do a certain distance. Change bearings to some with WD-40 see if you go
quicker.
As for longevity. Get a mate. One of you use WD-40 bearings, one use
greased. See which breaks first.
SF
"full name" <em...@address.com> wrote in message
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> No thanks.
Phil Earnhardt
<cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote:
>>WD-40 is the Yugo of bearing lubricants.
>>
>>
>>Saw no follow-up to my questions in the other thread. Guess there
>>really wasn't another analogy. Oh, well.
>>
>>--phil
>
>No, actually Phil, debating a nonsensical and relatively unimportant
>"nit" with you quickly gets very tedious
Then why are you continuing?
Why claim that there was a valid analogy if you can't produce?
>, and boring and sort of anal
>retentive and I just lose interest. :)
Your repeated postings indicate otherwise.
>Bob
--phil
Bob Cardone
Here is what is in WD-40
WD-40 has the following ingredients:
50% Stoddard solvent (mineral spirits)
25% Liquified petroleum gas ( propellant)
15+% Mineral Oil (light lubricating oil)
10-% Inert ingredients
It's mostly a solvent and very little lubricant. use it to clean
parts and then use a good lube afterwards.
Bob
Paul Malam
OK, the local Mountain Bike Shop in my town is owned by the former Britsh
Mountain Bike team coach. He knows a thing or two about bikes, and he
swears by GT50, a teflon based water displacer and lube. Doesnt last
forever, he sprays all moving parts before he goes out each time.
All i asked was whether that and WD40 (same thing) would do as well on skate
bearings
"Paul Malam" <pma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Paul Malam
OK, the local Mountain Bike Shop in my town is owned by the former Britsh
Mountain Bike team coach. He knows a thing or two about bikes, and he
swears by GT50, a teflon based water displacer and lube. Doesnt last
forever, he sprays all moving parts before he goes out each time.
All i asked was whether that and WD40 (same thing) would do as well on skate
bearings
"full name" <em...@address.com> wrote in message
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full name
>OK, the local Mountain Bike Shop in my town is owned by the former Britsh
>Mountain Bike team coach. He knows a thing or two about bikes, and he
>swears by GT50, a teflon based water displacer and lube. Doesnt last
>forever, he sprays all moving parts before he goes out each time.
alt.mountain-bike
rec.bicycles.tech
Both are big groups. The tech group can be very helpful.
Good luck.
Mike van Erp
I found this tagline on the net the other day that I thought you guys
might enjoy. Pretty cool, huh?
"Never argue with an idiot. They'll just drag you down and beat you
with experience..."
Bob Cardone
>Proof?
>
>OK, the local Mountain Bike Shop in my town is owned by the former Britsh
>Mountain Bike team coach. He knows a thing or two about bikes, and he
>swears by GT50, a teflon based water displacer and lube. Doesnt last
>forever, he sprays all moving parts before he goes out each time.
>
>All i asked was whether that and WD40 (same thing) would do as well on skate
>bearings
Not the same thing. Where to you find that WD40 has Teflon in it??
Please answer this question. or don't make that claim again, because
it is not true.
Bob
Paul Malam
case, like I said, the ex british Mountain Bike team coach recommends it for
all moving parts on a bike. So all I said was "is this going to work as
well on a skate". The teflon in GT50 is just an addition to that brand, but
otherwise both are sold as lube and water displacers
"Bob Cardone" <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in message
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B Fuhrmann
> Ok Ok, WD40 is basically the same as GT50, but without the teflon. In any
> case, like I said, the ex british Mountain Bike team coach recommends it
for
> all moving parts on a bike. So all I said was "is this going to work as
> well on a skate". The teflon in GT50 is just an addition to that brand,
but
> otherwise both are sold as lube and water displacers
Just ignore Bob and Mark (aka full name). Bob used to post useful
information but it has been a long time. Just look at the number of posts
and lack of information that they use to judge the knowledge that can be
gained from them.
They have staked out positions and will say anything to try to "claim a win"
in their own minds.
Your question was not if it was a good lubricant (Notice how some people's
statements have changed slightly once they had to admit that it was a
lubricant?)
WD40 or GT50 will work in a skate bearing for a short while. They have some
lubricating properties and skate bearings do not need much lubrication.
They are extremely lightly loaded.
As you indicated, the coach also used it every day on bicycles. That is
more maintenance that most people are willing to do on their bearings. I'd
be willing to bet that very few bicyclists would tell you that they thought
it was an acceptable lubricant, but some (like the coach) are willing to go
that far for a little less friction.
People who race in the rain have known that even water makes an acceptable
lubricant (from the viewpoint of spinning easily). The lubricant usually
disappears early but the water works well until it dries out. The problem
is that if the road dries up before the race ends, you have no lubricant in
your bearings.
One of the local skaters and I were talking about skating in the wet and he
said that he found it worked well just to leave off the outer shields in the
rain so that more water would get in and keep the bearings wet. However, he
said that he was interested if people tried out the polyurea greases to see
if they survived water.
At least WD40 will last longer than water and won't rust the bearings if you
don't dry them out right after you skate.
In either this news group or the racing one, one of the people said that one
of the "secret race lubes" was gasoline with a few drops of light oil. The
thoughts were that the gasoline provided the volume so that the mixture
covered all the surfaces, then the gasoline evaporates leaving a very
minimal coating of light oil. Supposedly, this gives good coverage of the
bearing with less oil remaining in the bearing
Did the coach also explain what the WD40 regimen has on the life of
bearings? Racers frequently put the life span of their equipment at a lower
priority than speed. I was warned when I bought Shimano DuraAce (very long
ago) hubs for my bicycle that although they had holes for oil, using oil
instead of grease would drastically shorten the life of the bearings and
hubs. It is amazing that after 20 years of minimal maintenance with grease,
I end up gaining speed on people with MUCH more expensive bicycles when
gliding downhill.
Did the ex coach discuss the life of the parts?
Bob Cardone
only thing I have seen WD-40 recommended for is for lubricating things
like cables.( really cleaning more than lubing) You said WD-40 is
recommended for all the moving parts, I find that really hard to
believe. Try taking a bottom bracket or headset or your wheel
bearings or pedal bearings apart , cleaning them of any grease and
replacing that with WD-40. These components on your bike will
basically be ruined after a few days of riding.
I wouldn't even use WD-40 on the Chain . There are so many good chain
lubes like Boeshield, why would anyone want to screw around with an
inferior lubricant like WD-40 ?
Bob
Paul Malam
if these so called skaters, can really do any skating at all, bearing in
mind the time they spend "battling" on here!. The bike coach didnt go into
details. He just used the stuff each time he went out. In terms of
maintenance, I dont see it as a major drag. The can has a long thin nozzle
and I could give each bearing a blast in about 30 seconds.
"B Fuhrmann" <fuhr...@cpinternet.DELETE.com> wrote in message
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full name
>Mark, aka lshaping, aka full name
It is called a "handle". Get over it.
>Your question was not if it was a good lubricant (Notice how some people's
>statements have changed slightly once they had to admit that it was a
>lubricant?)
B Fuhrmann wrote:
>WD-40 is not a lubricant.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=ujnqsb3v4qc670%40corp.supernews.com
No surprise "B Fuhrmann" held back and then changed his opinion. I think he
didn't want to agree with anyone he holds a grudge against.
>
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full name
>Thanks for the reply - the best and most useful yet.
Another judge wanna-be.
>It does make me wonder if these so called skaters, can really do
>any skating at all, bearing in mind the time they spend "battling" on here!.
And then there are trolls who enjoy the infighting.
The bike coach didnt go into
>details. He just used the stuff each time he went out. In terms of
>maintenance, I dont see it as a major drag. The can has a long thin nozzle
>and I could give each bearing a blast in about 30 seconds.
>
>"B Fuhrmann" <fuhr...@cpinternet.DELETE.com> wrote in message
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>> "Paul Malam" wrote ...
>> > Ok Ok, WD40 is basically the same as GT50, but without the teflon. In
>any
>> > case, like I said, the ex british Mountain Bike team coach recommends it
>> for
>> > all moving parts on a bike. So all I said was "is this going to work as
>> > well on a skate". The teflon in GT50 is just an addition to that brand,
>> but
>> > otherwise both are sold as lube and water displacers
>>
>> Just ignore Bob and Mark (aka full name). Bob used to post useful
>> information but it has been a long time. Just look at the number of posts
>> and lack of information that they use to judge the knowledge that can be
>> gained from them.
<snip>
>
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>From: "Paul Malam" <pma...@yahoo.com>
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>Subject: Re: lubricating bearings
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Bob Cardone
>"B Fuhrmann" <fuhr...@cpinternet.DELETE.com> wrote:
>
>>Mark, aka lshaping, aka full name
>
>It is called a "handle". Get over it.
>
>>Your question was not if it was a good lubricant (Notice how some people's
>>statements have changed slightly once they had to admit that it was a
>>lubricant?)
>
>B Fuhrmann wrote:
>>WD-40 is not a lubricant.
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=ujnqsb3v4qc670%40corp.supernews.com
>
>No surprise "B Fuhrmann" held back and then changed his opinion. I think he
>didn't want to agree with anyone he holds a grudge against.
>
>
>
As well as being tedious to the point of nauseum, he can be a bit
disingenuous as well. ( In my neighborhood we used to call it "being
phoney" . ) I am going to kill filter him for awhile until his
medicine kicks in and he settles down a bit.
Chow
Bob Cardone
>"Paul Malam" <pma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the reply - the best and most useful yet.
>
>Another judge wanna-be.
>
>>It does make me wonder if these so called skaters, can really do
>>any skating at all, bearing in mind the time they spend "battling" on here!.
>
>And then there are trolls who enjoy the infighting.
>
>
Here is original post that started the thread
>"Paul Malam" <pma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Would anyone recommend the use of teflon spray (such as wd40, or gt50) for
>>lubing bearings? I use the gt50 on my bike and it does great.
I pointed out that WD-40 is a very poor lubricant and that it doesn't
contain any Teflon at all . I posted another post with it's actual
contents. This apparently was to no avail since the original poster (
Paul) later again stated that WD-40 contained Teflon.. ( Guess he
didn't read my post or didn't understand the ingredient list )
I will list them again as I posted them
:
>WD-40 has the following ingredients:
>50% Stoddard solvent (mineral spirits)
>25% Liquified petroleum gas ( propellant)
>15+% Mineral Oil (light lubricating oil)
>10-% Inert ingredients
( Notice no Teflon in this list)
I also posted a link to Tri-Flow which does contains Teflon, more oil
and is much better suited for skate bearing lubrication, and to the
Tri_Flow web site
.
I also posted a link to the Londonskaters.com web site with a complete
article on bearing care.
In the mean time "Mr Newsgroup" ( drum roll and Fanfare) aka Phil
who changes his stories depending on the wind direction, gets on this
thread about bearing lubes and starts ranting again about the Yugo-
RollerCrap discussion from another thread.
Then he posts that my posts should be ignored because they don't
contain " any useful information" .
Then the person that asked the original question chimes in that my
answer was apparently worthless to him and insinuated that I probably
don't even skate since I am busy writing answer to Phils' ridiculous
posts and wouldn't have time to do anything else. ( By the way, I just
got back from a 22 mile skate Mr Paul Malam, how far have you skated
today? )
Just remember Phil, you are the one that appears to talk out of both
sides of your mouth, so don't lecture anyone else about integrity or
useful information or honesty. People in glass houses shouldn't start
a brick fight.
Bob.
Paul Malam
GT50 DOES. But other than that, they are essentially the same product. All
I wanted to know was whether it was good for skates, beginning to wish I
never asked. Get out of the house, smell the fresh air, and stop being so
bloody pedantic.
"Bob Cardone" <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Paul Malam
full name
>No, in a later post of mine, I accepted that WD40 doesnt contain teflon.
>GT50 DOES. But other than that, they are essentially the same product.
You keep saying that. Obviously, you agree with yourself.
>All I wanted to know was whether it was good for skates,
You got that answer, in depth.
>beginning to wish I never asked.
One of the great things about UseNet is the strong diversity of opinion
(maybe unless yours happens to be different than everybody elses and you
have no debating skills).
If you really need information and cannot handle real time discussion,
learn how to use the public archives. Often times you wont have to ask, and
sometimes you can get answers much faster.
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?lr=lang_en&num=100&as_scoring=d
>Get out of the house, smell the fresh air, and stop being so bloody pedantic.
Inline skating IMO is the perfect compliment to being in the house (and
using a computer while lying down) almost all of the time.
Chow.
Paul Malam
>
> >No, in a later post of mine, I accepted that WD40 doesnt contain teflon.
> >GT50 DOES. But other than that, they are essentially the same product.
>
> You keep saying that. Obviously, you agree with yourself.
That was just an intro to my post. A preface if you like. Yes Ive said
that, Yes I've had some good answers, I just felt tempted to respond to your
condecending, arrogant banter. That particular post wasnt to try to reopen
the debate.
>
> >All I wanted to know was whether it was good for skates,
>
> You got that answer, in depth.
I know, thats not what this post was about.
>
> >beginning to wish I never asked.
>
> One of the great things about UseNet is the strong diversity of opinion
> (maybe unless yours happens to be different than everybody elses and you
> have no debating skills).
Yes, I am well aware of that. Debating skills? Is that what you try to
use? to be honest with you, I think the net would be a much better place if
these groups just contained those that wished to help in an adult, friendly
manner. Dont get me wrong, we need somebody (or bodies) to police the
forums, but then there are the types that just love to bicker. Here is my
favourite post of yours....
>>>>>>>>Some of these bearings are stressed to over 100mph and we have
>>>>>>>>had
>>>>>>>>NO failures wrt to bearings.
>>>>>Another interesting claim. Unfortunately, I find nothing about motor
sports
>>>>>on the Internet when I plug "SpangleFoxx" into a search engine.
What a nice response you gave the guy. ... and obviously your internet
search engine "test" really is the answer to everything.
> If you really need information and cannot handle real time discussion,
> learn how to use the public archives. Often times you wont have to ask,
and
> sometimes you can get answers much faster.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?lr=lang_en&num=100&as_scoring
=d
I can handle real time discussion, I do it for a living and am well aware of
the archives.
>
> >Get out of the house, smell the fresh air, and stop being so bloody
pedantic.
>
> Inline skating IMO is the perfect compliment to being in the house (and
> using a computer while lying down) almost all of the time.
Agreed
>
> Chow.
Ciao
#58-SpangleFoxx-O
one of those funny psycholical things where ppl are more expressive because
they can't see the other person's face, I don't know! lol
You should go to one that deals with arcade emualtors........YESH, AMAZING
bickering going on in that one...........I think it's a shame that this
occurs :-(..........I only post what I know, so it hopefully may be of use
for others. Also to ask for answers to what I don't know.
If you want to know about SpangleFoxx...........its just a name to divert
all the spam creators and so thats why it wont produce any results! lol
Anyway whoever started this discussion, I forget who it was now, hope you
had your question answered! :-) Happy posting folks! lol
SF
"Paul Malam" <pma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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full name
>Some of these newsgroups do get ppl worked up! Don't know why! Maybe it's
>one of those funny psycholical things where ppl are more expressive because
>they can't see the other person's face, I don't know! lol
More expressive and more pretentious.
>You should go to one that deals with arcade emualtors........YESH, AMAZING
>bickering going on in that one...........I think it's a shame that this
>occurs :-(..........
Overall, I love it. But speaking of problems, another problem is the many
judge wanna-be and role player types. Paul Malam fits the judge wanna-be
type, IMO, and you seem to fit the role player type.
>I only post what I know,
You mean opinions.
>so it hopefully may be of use for others. Also to ask for answers to what
>I don't know.
>
>If you want to know about SpangleFoxx...........its just a name to divert
>all the spam creators and so thats why it wont produce any results! lol
No one asked for your e-mail address. You claim to be a race car driver,
that is your pretense for giving expert advice about WD-40 as a lubricant.
I would like to see you back up that fanciful claim. Otherwise, you could
be just another role player.
>
>Anyway whoever started this discussion, I forget who it was now, hope you
>had your question answered! :-) Happy posting folks! lol
>
>SF
>
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>From: "#58-SpangleFoxx-O" <spang...@nospam.lycos.co.uk>
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.skating.inline
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full name
about a cheap pair of skates. Now you do not like the idea of having to use
something more difficult than WD-40 to lubricate the bearings.
Or maybe you do not like falling down.
Whatever.
"Paul Malam" <pma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Cedric
> No one asked for your e-mail address. You claim to be a race car driver,
> that is your pretense for giving expert advice about WD-40 as a lubricant.
> I would like to see you back up that fanciful claim. Otherwise, you could
> be just another role player.
Just a little detail, he didn't say that he was a "race car driver".
"Another of my passions is motorsport. We have used WD-40 to flush out and
re-lube kart wheel bearings. A lot of rolling resistance is removed using
WD-40. Although the overall life of the bearings is reduced. Useful though
if the grease has bn washed out in wet conditions to re-lube them."
Do you see any "race car driver" here ? You like to provide links or quote,
just be sure that you actually read correctly.
Cedric
> So you are frustrated that you have not gotten the opinions you asked for
> about a cheap pair of skates. Now you do not like the idea of having to
use
> something more difficult than WD-40 to lubricate the bearings.
>
> Or maybe you do not like falling down.
>
> Whatever.
Talking about difficulty you seem to be an expert. I remember some fancy
inline design including a fifth wheel to brake and not fall back (or
something like that as you've never been really clear about that thing and
just bashed up people answering to your thread)... More difficult doesn't
meant better. I hope you understood that after trying to realize some of
your inventions.
full name
>
>"full name" <em...@address.com> wrote in message
>news:e8jc7v0n69734gqa3...@4ax.com...
>> So you are frustrated that you have not gotten the opinions you asked for
>> about a cheap pair of skates. Now you do not like the idea of having to
>use
>> something more difficult than WD-40 to lubricate the bearings.
>>
>> Or maybe you do not like falling down.
>>
>> Whatever.
>
>Talking about difficulty you seem to be an expert.
Actually, I am skating just fine.
>I remember some fancy inline design including a fifth wheel to brake
I completed that design. It is on my web page.
>and not fall back (or
>something like that as you've never been really clear about that thing
You will just have to suffer.
>and just bashed up people answering to your thread)...
Your mom can kiss it and make it feel better.
>More difficult doesn't meant better.
And a penetrating degreaser/cleaner is not a lubricant.
>I hope you understood that after trying to realize some of your inventions.
And I hope your mom can get that horrible taste out of her mouth.
>
>From: "Cedric" <cb>
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>
>"full name" <em...@address.com> wrote in message
>news:nvhc7vk1iitgshvbt...@4ax.com...
>> No one asked for your e-mail address. You claim to be a race car driver,
>> that is your pretense for giving expert advice about WD-40 as a lubricant.
>> I would like to see you back up that fanciful claim. Otherwise, you could
>> be just another role player.
>
>Just a little detail, he didn't say that he was a "race car driver".
>
>"Another of my passions is motorsport. We have used WD-40 to flush out and
>re-lube kart wheel bearings. A lot of rolling resistance is removed using
>WD-40. Although the overall life of the bearings is reduced. Useful though
>if the grease has bn washed out in wet conditions to re-lube them."
>
>Do you see any "race car driver" here ?
This thread isn't the only source of my information.
>You like to provide links or quote, just be sure that you actually read correctly.
I should have verified that with your mom first.
Cedric
> This thread isn't the only source of my information.
So name your sources. You like links, provide me a link where SpangleFoxx
says he's a "race car driver"
By the way, there is a glitch in your explanation. You said :
"You claim to be a race car driver,
that is your pretense for giving expert advice about WD-40 as a lubricant.."
If you have seen somewhere else that he is a "race car driver" that means
he's not using in THIS thread that argument to be considered an expert. But
even if it's useless, provide me with some link.
> I should have verified that with your mom first.
Nice trolling attempt.
Cedric
they've been caught off guard and have no valid points to make.
full name
>"full name" <em...@address.com> wrote in message
>news:16nc7vci9uqdbj4h5...@4ax.com...
>> This thread isn't the only source of my information.
>
>So name your sources. You like links, provide me a link where SpangleFoxx
>says he's a "race car driver"
>
>By the way, there is a glitch in your explanation. You said :
>"You claim to be a race car driver,
>that is your pretense for giving expert advice about WD-40 as a lubricant.."
>
>If you have seen somewhere else that he is a "race car driver" that means
>he's not using in THIS thread that argument to be considered an expert. But
>even if it's useless, provide me with some link.
Ask your mom for a link.
>> I should have verified that with your mom first.
>
>Nice trolling attempt.
Your mother would be proud.
full name
>You seem to really like my mom.
Why not?
>Well it's what kids actually say when they've been caught off guard
>and have no valid points to make.
Is your mom good at catching kids off guard?
Cedric
> Ask your mom for a link.
So I guess we pretty much agree on the fact that you lied.
That was nice talking with you, I hope to have such a nice discussion on an
other thread. Just be carefull, some people actually think.
full name
>"full name" <em...@address.com> wrote
>> Ask your mom for a link.
>
>So I guess we pretty much agree on the fact that you lied.
You guess wrong.
>That was nice talking with you,
It was nice talking with your mom.
>I hope to have such a nice discussion on an other thread.
Not if I see you first.
>Just be carefull,
Be careful or what?
>some people actually think.
And some people think they are bigger than UseNet will allow.
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Edward Dike, III
"Cedric" <cb> wrote in message news:3e766373$1...@news.swissonline.ch...
And most of those I suspect have long ago kill filed this... whatever it is.
As someone else once advised: Do a Google search of whom you are debating.
ED3
Motorblade
full name
>And most of those I suspect have long ago kill filed this...
A kill file is for someone who is so weak minded he cannot stand the sight
of another author's handle, someone with a short memory, and someone who
does not know who he is amongst. Why deny yourself information about an
adversary? When you kill file an active author, you just end up stumbling
over all of the replies to him. Kill files are worthless, IMO.
>whatever it is.
It's your daddy, Edward Dike, III.
>As someone else once advised: Do a Google search of whom you are debating.
>ED3
Highly recommended. That is the way to temper what he (or she) has to say.
Unfortunately, most posting histories (like the one Edward Dike, III is
defending) are very short.
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Paul Malam
he's into motor cars, he says he uses WD40. Just cos you dont find him on a
search engine doesnt mean he is lying. These forums give good advice and
bad advice. I use them as a source of information, but I use other sources
too. These answers (good and bad) together with other sources on the net
allow me to make a balanced, intelligent judgement.
"full name" <em...@address.com> wrote in message
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Paul Malam
>
> And some people think they are bigger than UseNet will allow.
Yes like you!!!
Paul Malam
at large. I can collate the reponses and make a balanced judgement. That
would just be so much easier without the backbiting and deliberate
antagonism.
I neither like nor dislike the use of WD40, just wanted opinions. Im also
looking at other bearing lubes (as to be honest, it would have been a little
small minded to simply rely on WD40). Those enquiries are also bearing
fruit.
My summary so far on WD40 or GT50? Well, its not a "lube" (although thats
what it says on the can). WD40 and GT50 are essentially the same product,
although GT50 brands itself as containing teflon. Its used by some and not
by others. Its used in the motorsport and mountain bike world (although
agreed, that doesnt necessarily make it a good lube per se). It may well be
good for use in damp or wet conditions for skates, but may well need to be
applied each time you go out. Some find this an unnecessary hassle, some
dont. The best test may well be to simply try it. There is some opinion
that it may damage bearings, some that it wont (I need more research on that
last point).
And no, I hate falling down. Dont we all?
"full name" <em...@address.com> wrote in message
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#58-SpangleFoxx-O
bearings. UNLESS you are trying for maximum speed, with no real regard to
life of bearings.
OR.......you have used the bearings in the wet, the lube has bn washed out
and you can't get any grease back in. Using WD-40 will give you a little
more life.
Seperate from WD-40, another possibility is to flush out the bearings and
use a specialist thin synthetic oil.
To me, if you aren't racing (on skates), then the cost benefit of replacing
the normal grease in bearings is not worth it and that you should use just
the grease that's supplied.
I'm sure that some of the better bearing manufacturers would have looked at
such an issue as which gives best lubricated, least friction and longest
life.
SF
"Paul Malam" <pma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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endus
wrote:
>Nope. Ive got various opinions, good and bad, from UseNet, and from the net
>at large. I can collate the reponses and make a balanced judgement. That
>would just be so much easier without the backbiting and deliberate
>antagonism
We don't take kindly to people who think like that 'round here.
'Round here we would rather bicker over insignificant bullshit to
bolster our own egos while proving our stunning grasp of the facts
about every subject known to man. There's no room for people who have
different experiences in this newsgroup, son, 'round these parts if
_I_ can't do it or don't like it, that means NOBODY can do it or like
it.
Seriously, want to know the truth (it's been said before by the few
reasonable people who post here but I'll say it again)? WD40 is only
good for max speed applications where you're not as worried about the
life of the bearings. It's too thin to provide any protection from
grit, and it's too thin to really provide a good layer of protection
for the balls. Use it for racing, use it in bearings you don't care
about. Don't use it in bearings that you won't clean after every
skate or that you want to last. The difference in speed between WD40
and regular oil will be negligeable in anything but racing conditions
(and possibly even then).
My analogy which I'm sure would have been picked apart and destroyed
if I had posted it earlier is winches on boats. If you are going to
be doing some serious racing it's okay to lube the pawls and bearings
with WD40, but you have to keep maintaining them to protect them from
wear fom grit and the salt water. In anything other than a racing
situation the difference between tons of heavy grease and WD40 will be
inconsequential except for the fact that you will only have to clean
and lube the winch every year or so.
That's my opinion...YOU MUST BELIEVE ME!!! Any other opinion is
WRONG!!!! My winch analogy is PERFECT and if you don't believe it
your a MORON!!!!! Winches are EXACTLY THE SAME as skate bearings!!!!
Hahahaha, this group is too funny.
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There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some
kind of high powered mutant never even considered
for mass production. Too weird to live, and too
rare to die. -Hunter S. Thompson
Bob Cardone
>To me, if you aren't racing (on skates), then the cost benefit of replacing
>the normal grease in bearings is not worth it and that you should use just
>the grease that's supplied.
>
>I'm sure that some of the better bearing manufacturers would have looked at
>such an issue as which gives best lubricated, least friction and longest
>life.
>
>SF
Here is the problem. Many bearings today, and this goes back quite a
few years, don't come with grease installed. Sometimes this is really
hard to determine when you are buying them, short of taking one out of
the container and popping one of the seals off and looking inside. (
the stores love you when you do this) This probably originates due
to the folks that want to buy "racing-speed" bearings and are not
happy when they take their brand new ABEC 5s or 7s , and install
them in their wheels and free spin them and watch their wheels rapidly
come to a halt due to the fact that their just bought bearings are
packed with grease. The manufacturers are aware of this, so they put
some kind of racing Gel or oil in most of the better bearings.
For the last few years, I have been buying bearings, coming home,
immediately popping the seals off and filling them with grease before
I even skate on them. Typically I can go through a couple of sets of
wheels without any additional maintenance. I like Finish Line
Synthetic Grease which can be purchased in any good bike shop. It's
not as tough as the "Green" grease put is easier to clean and seems
to stay a bit cleaner. Before Finish line , I used Lithium Grease
which you can get in any auto parts store. The difference in your
skating speed, unless you are concerned about a couple of seconds per
mile , is probably negligible and if you are like me and look forward
to cleaning bearings as much as getting a root canal, the almost zero
maintenance of greased bearings is a blessing. If you are into racing,
then you are probably going to hate grease.
Back in the early 90s, I could buy bearings that were clearly labeled
as to what the lube was, grease packed or oil packed. This appears to
be much more difficult today, especially finding ones that are
greased. The only way for most people is to get them home and look
inside. Usually you will not find grease on ABEC 5s or better.
Bob
full name
daveparc
> want to use something like that try Tri-flow, but you must put it on
> constantly. Not a good bearing lube in my opinion. Why not get one
> of the Inline Gels in a skate shop instead.
>
> Bob
I have found that Liquid Wrench is the best especially after my
bearing freeze up from skating on wet pavement. This time of year in
Detroit when you get on wet pavement it also is salt water from the
winter salt trucks. Nothing freezes up my Bones like skating over
salt water, but shoot a little liquid wrench in and they are spinning
like new in no time.
Dave Parcells
Phil Earnhardt
>My analogy which I'm sure would have been picked apart and destroyed
>if I had posted it earlier is winches on boats. If you are going to
>be doing some serious racing it's okay to lube the pawls and bearings
>with WD40, but you have to keep maintaining them to protect them from
>wear fom grit and the salt water.
This analogy is a good one.
In many sports, there's a tradeoff between what racers want and what
normal participants need. Drag car teams break down and rebuild their
engines after every single race; any techniques used to maintain
drag-racing engines would have limited applicability to consumer
automobiles. Inline speedskaters at the US nationals typically remove
all their wheels/bearings between each race -- often replacing all
wheels(!) and testing bearings. Any maintenance protocols they use on
their clean, controlled, and dry racing conditions have limited
applicability to recreational skaters.
>In anything other than a racing
>situation the difference between tons of heavy grease and WD40 will be
>inconsequential except for the fact that you will only have to clean
>and lube the winch every year or so.
The only exception I see to the analogy is my set of "Max Trainer"
bearings -- 608RSR bearings that nobody has reported seeing available
in over a decade. These guys are packed in heavy grease; you will be
quite slow when skating on them.
OTOH, they are very very smooth bearings and have never ever needed
maintenance. And I've skated through 2 to 3 inches of water with them
several times. For wet excursions, the resiliancy of these bearings
outweighs any loss of speed from the heavy grease.
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There are other fascinating tradeoffs between racing and recreational
atheletes. Many sports -- sailing included -- have a tradeoff between
speed and stability. The old Tech Dinghies and MIT could be casually
sailed with little fear of capsizing; many of the faster boats could
be easily tipped over. The Americas Cup boats are tremendously
demanding to race -- New Zeland had to retire from two races in the
recent Cup because of equipment/crew failures.
--phil
Mike van Erp
> Hey guys, theres a dirt clod fight at recess.
ROTFL!
Mike.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll just drag you down and beat you
with experience...
B Fuhrmann
> bearings -- 608RSR bearings that nobody has reported seeing available
> in over a decade. These guys are packed in heavy grease; you will be
> quite slow when skating on them.
>
> OTOH, they are very very smooth bearings and have never ever needed
> maintenance. And I've skated through 2 to 3 inches of water with them
> several times. For wet excursions, the resiliancy of these bearings
> outweighs any loss of speed from the heavy grease.
That is the first time that I have heard that good of a recommendation for
bearings with real seals.
I have been really tempted to order some (ABEC 1, 608, 2 seals) out of our
(Toro) service parts warehouse but it wouldn't be ethical to order them as
engineering parts.
You should be able to get them at industrial bearing companies.
endus
wrote:
>There are other fascinating tradeoffs between racing and recreational
>atheletes. Many sports -- sailing included -- have a tradeoff between
>speed and stability. The old Tech Dinghies and MIT could be casually
>sailed with little fear of capsizing; many of the faster boats could
>be easily tipped over. The Americas Cup boats are tremendously
>demanding to race -- New Zeland had to retire from two races in the
>recent Cup because of equipment/crew failures.
I think the Cup is one of the better examples of this in sports now.
Those boats ride a razors edge between performance and utter disaster.
Hell they've had boats break in half and sink, keels fall off,
spinnaker poles break, etc. Even me (200 and asdj&*&$#asksadk
pounds) sailing my Laser isn't that close to the edge =]
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Phil Earnhardt
>>There are other fascinating tradeoffs between racing and recreational
>>atheletes. Many sports -- sailing included -- have a tradeoff between
>>speed and stability. The old Tech Dinghies and MIT could be casually
>>sailed with little fear of capsizing; many of the faster boats could
>>be easily tipped over. The Americas Cup boats are tremendously
>>demanding to race -- New Zeland had to retire from two races in the
>>recent Cup because of equipment/crew failures.
>
>I think the Cup is one of the better examples of this in sports now.
>Those boats ride a razors edge between performance and utter disaster.
>Hell they've had boats break in half and sink, keels fall off,
>spinnaker poles break, etc.
NZ's two equipment failures were rather spectacular in the Cup. But
the best move in the championship was that gybe-set in Race 3 by the
"Swiss". They then proceeded to snooker NZ on the downwind leg. I hope
you had a chance to see that on ESPN's coverage; it was really
outstanding. It's too bad the rest of the races weren't that
competetive. OTOH, the Louis Vitton Cup was, as always, a real kick to
watch.
> Even me (200 and asdj&*&$#asksadk
>pounds) sailing my Laser isn't that close to the edge =]
It's good to be a 200-pound gorilla when sailing a Laser. ;-)
I couldn't believe it the first time I saw someone capsize a Laser.
They just calmly stepped backwards onto the [now-horizontal]
daggerboard and proceeded to right the boat. They may have gotten one
foot wet, but nothing else. Very cool little boats.
It's one of the few things I lost when I came to Colorado -- there's
very little sailing here.
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--phil
endus
wrote:
>NZ's two equipment failures were rather spectacular in the Cup. But
>the best move in the championship was that gybe-set in Race 3 by the
>"Swiss". They then proceeded to snooker NZ on the downwind leg. I hope
>you had a chance to see that on ESPN's coverage; it was really
>outstanding. It's too bad the rest of the races weren't that
>competetive. OTOH, the Louis Vitton Cup was, as always, a real kick to
>watch.
I ahve most of it on tape. It's definitely too bad that the cup
wasn't a better race. I was excited to see someone besides the Kiwis
win, but then I realized that it's Coutts that's winning it, not the
Kiwis. The US's chance of getting the cup back are riding on finding
a skipper who can outfox Coutts...that's a tough spot to fill.
>I couldn't believe it the first time I saw someone capsize a Laser.
>They just calmly stepped backwards onto the [now-horizontal]
>daggerboard and proceeded to right the boat. They may have gotten one
>foot wet, but nothing else. Very cool little boats.
Funny, I had the same experience. I had sailed keelboats with my
father for years but I had never really seen people sailing dhingys
(The only exception being when we sailed, and capsized a Cape Cod
Mercury in the Mystic River...not fun bailing that puppy out) Then one
day they were sailing my school's summer camp's lazers at high school
one day and I saw dude do a dry capsize. I was like WOW!
>It's one of the few things I lost when I came to Colorado -- there's
>very little sailing here.
I don't do nearly enough of it. I need tog et back on the water more
myself. I think I am getting too big and too old for the Laser
though. My father owns a Rhodes 19 that's fun to sail though.
>
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>
>--phil
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full name
Paul Malam
They cut people on this group to the quick, they really do.
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karammu...@gmail.com
Also usually all the bearings are pre-greased, so no need for that.
I have one source:
http://surajcomponents.com/self-lubricating-bushes-and-bearing.html
John Doe
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