Tara is abusing makeup
Shaun
Tara should be arrested for abusing makeup at the nationals. How many
pounds of that
stuff did she put on? I would'nt be surprise if her makeup started to
flake off while she was skating. And her lipstick is gross!!!!!!!!!! And
when they should her after MK's program she put on a fake smile cause
the camera was on her. How corny. And when
the camera is on her but she does'nt know it she sits there with her
mouth open for
a hour.
-Shaun-
Kathy
Would you believe it? Here in Houston, Texas, that is the style for most
teenage girls and I stand out far beyond them. The dark lipliner and
lipstick (that will soon wear off) goes around much more than you will
see. I'm obviously not surprised by what I see from Tara's looks... I
see it everyday but I have my opinions...
~Kathy
Michele G. Atupan
Tara should be arrested for abusing makeup at the nationals. How many
pounds of that
stuff did she put on? I would'nt be surprise if her makeup started to
flake off while she was skating. And her lipstick is gross!!!!!!!!!! And
when they should her after MK's program she put on a fake smile cause
the camera was on her. How corny. And when
the camera is on her but she does'nt know it she sits there with her
mouth open for
a hour.-Shaun-
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Shaun
Well, at leat on other teenage girls it looks good!
Kathy wrote:
> Shaun wrote:
> >
> > Tara should be arrested for abusing makeup at the nationals. How many
> > pounds of that
> > stuff did she put on? I would'nt be surprise if her makeup started to
> > flake off while she was skating. And her lipstick is gross!!!!!!!!!! And
> > when they should her after MK's program she put on a fake smile cause
> > the camera was on her. How corny. And when
> > the camera is on her but she does'nt know it she sits there with her
> > mouth open for
> > a hour.
> >
> > -Shaun-
>
Allure752
Tara should be arrested for abusing makeup at the nationals. How many
pounds of that
stuff did she put on? I would'nt be surprise if her makeup started to
flake off while she was skating. And her lipstick is gross!!!!!!!!!! And
when they should her after MK's program she put on a fake smile cause
the camera was on her. How corny. And when
the camera is on her but she does'nt know it she sits there with her
mouth open for
a hour.>>
well, while i don't feel that strongly about tara's makeup, i do feel that
ladies skaters *do* wear too much! tara, tonia, nicole, etc, at the nationals
all had on loads of makeup (dark lipstick, thick black liner, blue eyeshadow,
etc...) it was refreshing to see michelle not wear as much makeup as she has
the last two years..... i used to wince when michelle would step on the ice,
because of the load of makeup that she would wear... now i actually see her!
:)
esther
TMann57605
Tara should be arrested for abusing makeup at the nationals. How many pounds of
that stuff did she put on? I would'nt be surprise if her makeup started to
flake off while she was skating. And her lipstick is gross!!!!!!!!!! And when
they should her after MK's program she put on a fake smile cause the camera was
on her. How corny. And when the camera is on her but she does'nt know it she
well, while i don't feel that strongly about tara's makeup, i do feel that
ladies skaters *do* wear too much! tara, tonia, nicole, etc, at the nationals
all had on loads of makeup (dark lipstick, thick black liner, blue eyeshadow,
etc...) it was refreshing to see michelle not wear as much makeup as she has
the last two years..... i used to wince when michelle would step on the ice,
because of the load of makeup that she would wear... now i actually see
her!*******
Yes, Michelle's simple look is nice. It reaffirms the idea of her long, for
people to see Michelle, not some character she's portraying. I didn't think
Tara's make-up was that bad, I thought Tonia had it on a little heavier than
needed.
:)
esther
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In article <19980115032...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, allu...@aol.com
(Allure752) writes:
>well, while i don't feel that strongly about tara's makeup, i do feel
>that
ladies skaters *do* wear too much! tara, tonia, nicole, etc, at the
>nationals
all had on loads of makeup (dark lipstick, thick black liner, blue
>eyeshadow,
etc...) it was refreshing to see michelle not wear as much makeup
>as she has
the last two years..... i used to wince when michelle would step
>on the ice,
because of the load of makeup that she would wear... now i
>actually see her!
:)
I like Michelle's current look too. It's a much softer and more natural makeup.
You should see her at the LAX press conference on Monday. Her hair was half
pull back and half down. She wore an Olive green fitted jacket and rust red top
underneath. Her makeup was almost undetectable except the black mascara and
eyeliner. Her eyes were literally sparkling and her smile was radiant and
luminous. For the first time, she looked all grown up (not a trace of the
teenager look) and absolutely eye-catching. She's very photogenic.
Periplecto
>well, while i don't feel that strongly about tara's makeup, i do feel that
>ladies skaters *do* wear too much! tara, tonia, nicole, etc, at the nationals
>all had on loads of makeup (dark lipstick, thick black liner, blue eyeshadow,
>etc...)
Tonia definitely... Tammy Faye Baker look out! And what's with that fresh out
of the tanning bed look anyway?
Rita
Shaun <tripl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Tara should be arrested for abusing makeup at the nationals. How many
>pounds of that
> stuff did she put on? I would'nt be surprise if her makeup started to
>flake off while she was skating. And her lipstick is gross!!!!!!!!!! And
>when they should her after MK's program she put on a fake smile cause
>the camera was on her. How corny. And when
>the camera is on her but she does'nt know it she sits there with her
>mouth open for
>a hour.
>-Shaun-
I think the problem is some of the skaters get theatrical makeup
coaching--to have their faces look made up from a distance they have
to lay it on thick, then when they're in close-up it looks way too
heavy. I think it's kind of amusing!
Periplecto
Nicole C.
>I think the problem is some of the skaters get theatrical makeup
>coaching--to have their faces look made up from a distance they >have to
lay it on thick, then when they're in close-up it looks way too
>heavy. I think it's kind of amusing!
>
>
>
As a former thespian, I have to agree with you here. Believe it or not,
the heavy makeup looks good from afar. I can remember many a play when I
came off the stage at the end of a play to be greeted by friends who
couldn't believe how many pounds of makeup I was wearing. Now, it does look
heavy when you see it up close, but that doesn't bother me, perhaps because
I know what it's like when you have to goop it on. Think back a few years
to before Michelle started wearing makeup and I think it becomes easily
understandable. She was totally washed out and looked very childish. That
is why these skaters wear as much makeup as they do. If you'll note, Tara
does not have that caked on look when you see her in a regular interview.
That type of makeup is strictly for when she is on the ice.
Nicole C.
Molly10221
>I like Michelle's current look too. It's a much softer and more natural
>makeup.
I liked Michelle's costumes--they were very simple and had beautiful colors. I
thought about Christie Y.'s costumes when she competed and how gaudy they were
and obviously expensive as if that were the point. I guess all that syle was
just left over from the 80's. but the simplicity of Michell's look ws
refreshing. As make up goes Irina Slutskya had the most natural look and it
was said that she even refused to wear make-up.---Molly
Mike and Meg
I totally agree that Tara's makeup goes well beyond the necessary
color due to cameras and lights. She looks like she's trying to be
something she's not. I'm simply surprised she doesn't have someone
help her with her makeup who can apply it elegently so it looks like
she's not wearing any (even if it is caked on and flaking off).
Oh well....
Meg
On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:45:35 -0600, Kathy <THA...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>Shaun wrote:
>>
>> Tara should be arrested for abusing makeup at the nationals. How many
>> pounds of that
>> stuff did she put on? I would'nt be surprise if her makeup started to
>> flake off while she was skating. And her lipstick is gross!!!!!!!!!! And
>> when they should her after MK's program she put on a fake smile cause
>> the camera was on her. How corny. And when
>> the camera is on her but she does'nt know it she sits there with her
>> mouth open for
>> a hour.
>>
>> -Shaun-
>
JM
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:05:38 GMT, m...@e-z.net (Mike and Meg) wrote:
>I totally agree that Tara's makeup goes well beyond the necessary
>color due to cameras and lights.
Don't know why any of these people "need" makeup,but its another
presentation point. Someone, perhaps the coach, needs to find a better
makeup specialist, someone familiar with lighting who can make subtle
strokes that aren't even obvious. Perhaps someone from theater or
television. I'm sure on exhibition shows, they use the regular TV
staff to do it. So, they probably need to find those people and
contract with them.
Not that I find most of the makeup offensive. But perhaps it can be
better done.
OperettaJK
>Don't know why any of these people "need" makeup,but its another presentation
>point. Someone, perhaps the coach, needs to find a better makeup specialist,
>someone familiar with lighting who can make subtle strokes that aren't even
>obvious. Perhaps someone from theater or television. I'm sure on exhibition
>shows, they use the regular TV staff to do it. So, they probably need to
>find those people and contract with them.
There are many, many makeup artists around (at least in S. California) who can
do makeups for camera. Makeup for camera is very different from everyday makeup
or theater/stage makeup. Theater makeup is perhaps the heaviest because it
needs to be seen by audiences 50 rows back. Camera makeup is lighter than
theater but heavier than regular daywear. The things they use are different,
starting from foundation. The foundation is usually matte and offers better
coverage (very useful) than regular daywear. A good makeup artist can make it
look like it's not there on camera. Not many women can go on camera without any
makeup and looks good :-). Makeup defines features and provides color to the
face. All models in the cosmetic ads who look like they don't have any makeup
on HAVE MAKEUP ON. Trust me, I know :-).
JM
On 18 Jan 1998 04:39:35 GMT, opere...@aol.com (OperettaJK) wrote:
>There are many, many makeup artists around (at least in S. California) who can
>do makeups for camera.
But who are the top skaters who come from Southern California? Seems
to me nowadays they are from the Middle West (naturally there are
skaters competing from Southern California, but maybe not showing up
on TV and then getting noticed for bad makeup).
As I say, a visit or two from a top camera makeup specialist would
probably do it to insure a sophisticated job.
Kaiju
JM wrote:
>
> On 18 Jan 1998 04:39:35 GMT, opere...@aol.com (OperettaJK) wrote:
>
> >There are many, many makeup artists around (at least in S. California) who can
> >do makeups for camera.
>
> But who are the top skaters who come from Southern California?
Off-hand? Michelle Kwan, Nicole Bobek, Angela Nikodinov, Amber Corwin...need
more?
Kaiju
JM
On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:58:04 -0800, Kaiju <ka...@NOSPAM.ecn.com>
wrote:
>Off-hand? Michelle Kwan, Nicole Bobek, Angela Nikodinov, Amber Corwin...need
>more?
Hold it. I don't recall that Nicole Bobek CAME from Southern
California. Moreover, in which of these competitions were they
SKATING in Southern California? And if they weren't, why does it
matter whether Southern California is rife with makeup artists? Are
we suggesting they fly there before each major competition to get made
up? Just what is the thrust of all this?
Kaiju
JM wrote:
>
> On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:58:04 -0800, Kaiju <ka...@NOSPAM.ecn.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Off-hand? Michelle Kwan, Nicole Bobek, Angela Nikodinov, Amber Corwin...need
> >more?
>
> Hold it. I don't recall that Nicole Bobek CAME from Southern
> California.
What does it matter if Nicole came from Southern California? It is where she
is living and training now.
> Moreover, in which of these competitions were they
> SKATING in Southern California? And if they weren't, why does it
> matter whether Southern California is rife with makeup artists? Are
> we suggesting they fly there before each major competition to get made
> up? Just what is the thrust of all this?
Any world class skater can drop off in California and take a makeup lesson.
They fly all over to acquire costumes, boots, music, whatever.
Kaiju
OperettaJK
>Moreover, in which of these competitions were they SKATING in Southern
>California? And if they weren't, why does it matter whether Southern
>California is rife with makeup artists? Are we suggesting they fly there
>before each major competition to get made up? Just what is the thrust of all
>this?
Makeup artists do travel, e.g. for fashion shoot or film making. If skaters
can't afford them, they always can buy cosmetics specially made for camera and
get tips from these professionals on how to apply them.
PosterBoy
How about ending this thread on a positive note.
If Tara is applying her own makeup, and even if she is abusing it...
well, then it clearly is self-abuse and it is none of our business. <g>
PegLewis
In article <19980118043...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, opere...@aol.com
(OperettaJK) writes:
>There are many, many makeup artists around (at least in S. California) who
>can do makeups for camera. Makeup for camera is very different from everyday
>makeup or theater/stage makeup. Theater makeup is perhaps the heaviest
>because it needs to be seen by audiences 50 rows back.
And this it the point: skaters are applying *stage* makeup, for an audience of
nine who have to see them all the way across a skating rink from a very flat
vantage point. Looking good on television is of minor importance to them.
Peg
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Getting makeup right for a stage performance that's also going to be televised
is very, very tough. In my field (opera), in these situations the makeup is
tailored to the television audience. There are stage lights that can help the
in-house audience. And in very large houses like the Met no one beyond the
fifth row can see the singers' faces anyway, no matter how much make up is
used.
But these skaters are in a very different situtation. It must be difficult to
balance the in-house audience (close and far away), the judges, and the
television audience. And all without the help of make up experts, I assume.
It would be nice if big competitions that are going to be televised would hire
some makeup people to help skaters on the days that are to be televised. Does
anyone know if such things are done?
Nancy (NYC)
OperettaJK
In article <19980120050...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, pegl...@aol.com
(PegLewis) writes:
>In article <19980118043...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
>opere...@aol.com
(OperettaJK) writes:
>There are many, many makeup artists
>around (at least in S. California) who
>can do makeups for camera. Makeup for
>camera is very different from everyday
>makeup or theater/stage makeup.
>Theater makeup is perhaps the heaviest
>because it needs to be seen by
>audiences 50 rows back.
And this it the point: skaters are applying *stage*
>makeup, for an audience of
nine who have to see them all the way across a
>skating rink from a very flat
vantage point. Looking good on television is of
>minor importance to them.
Since the judges are sitting by the rink side and TV audience, which may
include potential sponsors/employers, is much larger than live audience, I
think they definitely should do the makeup for camera, instead of for stage.
One comparison: actresses attend the Academy Award would NOT have stage makeup
even the event has live audience.
Louis Epstein
OperettaJK (opere...@aol.com) wrote:
:
: Since the judges are sitting by the rink side and TV audience, which may
: include potential sponsors/employers, is much larger than live audience, I
: think they definitely should do the makeup for camera, instead of for stage.
: One comparison: actresses attend the Academy Award would NOT have stage makeup
: even the event has live audience.
The judges must see them up to a hundred feet away,and how the judges see
them affects what sponsors(many of whom have special seating) are
interested.Judges shouldn't watch their faces,but they are concerned with
the crowd there!
Mary E Tyler
Mike and Meg wrote:
>
> I totally agree that Tara's makeup goes well beyond the necessary
> something she's not. I'm simply surprised she doesn't have someone
> help her with her makeup who can apply it elegently so it looks like
> she's not wearing any (even if it is caked on and flaking off).
>
> Oh well....
>
> Meg
are we forgetting that tara is a teenager? although i never wore
excessive makeup myself, alot of my peers did. it *was* the thing to do.
so what?
dejah
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In article <19980120205...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, opere...@aol.com
(OperettaJK) writes:
>Since the judges are sitting by the rink side and TV audience, which
>may include potential sponsors/employers, is much larger than live audience,
>I think they definitely should do the makeup for camera, instead of for
>stage. One comparison: actresses attend the Academy Award would NOT have
>stage makeup even the event has live audience.
Potential sponsors are the least of their worries. Their concern is and should
remain those who are marking them. If facial expression is part of
presentation, which we all know it is, it would be stupid to fail to use stage
makeup. Sponsors aren't going to be particularly interested in a classic beauty
whose presentation mark keeps her from winning... not that it would, but it
*could* affect the presenation mark, and it's one of the "T's" that skaters
must cross to leave nothing to chance, so to speak.
NLGHAtc
>On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:05:38 GMT, m...@e-z.net (Mike and Meg) wrote:
>
>>I totally agree that Tara's makeup goes well beyond the necessary
>>color due to cameras and lights.
>
>presentation point. Someone, perhaps the coach, needs to find a better
>makeup specialist, someone familiar with lighting who can make subtle
>strokes that aren't even obvious. Perhaps someone from theater or
>television. I'm sure on exhibition shows, they use the regular TV
>staff to do it. So, they probably need to find those people and
>contract with them.
>
>better done.
>
>
on makeup. Even Katia Goordeeva at the 1988 Olympics was wearing a considerable
amount of BLUE eyeshadow. Also, having been in theater my friends would say
about theatrical makeup - "slather it on until you look like a tramp" because
it doesn't show up as well under footlights. It may be that she looks perfect
fine liveo n the ice but with TV closeups it becomes more obvious.
TC
NLGHAtc
>I like Michelle's current look too. It's a much softer and more natural
>makeup.
>pull back and half down. She wore an Olive green fitted jacket and rust red
>top
>underneath. Her makeup was almost undetectable except the black mascara and
>eyeliner. Her eyes were literally sparkling and her smile was radiant and
>luminous. For the first time, she looked all grown up (not a trace of the
>teenager look) and absolutely eye-catching. She's very photogenic.
>
>
fashion design in college. I know in Michelle's book she really admires
Karen's sense of style.
TC
April Strong
NLGHAtc wrote:
> >On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:05:38 GMT, m...@e-z.net (Mike and Meg) wrote:
> >
> >>I totally agree that Tara's makeup goes well beyond the necessary
> >>color due to cameras and lights.
> >
> HELLO! She is a teenager. I think Tara looks like any other teenager who puts
> on makeup. Even Katia Goordeeva at the 1988 Olympics was wearing a considerable
> amount of BLUE eyeshadow. Also, having been in theater my friends would say
> about theatrical makeup - "slather it on until you look like a tramp" because
> it doesn't show up as well under footlights. It may be that she looks perfect
> fine liveo n the ice but with TV closeups it becomes more obvious.
>
> TC
Tara's makeup looks fine when she's skating. You can see her facial features. No
makeup and you lose the facial features. It looks garish close up, but not when
she's out on the ice.
While talking about appearance on the ice.....will someone PLEASE tell parents,
coaches and skaters that black and oriental women should NEVER wear orange, yellow,
lime green, or even offwhite? They have blue undertones to their skin and should
wear jewel tones or WHITE white. In the wrong colors, their skin looks sallow and
you don't even see their eyes or facial structure. Put them in jewel tones and
their skin is bright and full of life and you really SEE their faces.
--
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Nadia Scott
>While talking about appearance on the ice.....will someone PLEASE tell parents,
>coaches and skaters that black and oriental women should NEVER wear orange,
> yellow,
>lime green, or even offwhite? They have blue undertones to their skin and
> should
>wear jewel tones or WHITE white. In the wrong colors, their skin looks sallow
> and
>you don't even see their eyes or facial structure. Put them in jewel tones and
>their skin is bright and full of life and you really SEE their faces.
That is not true with all black and oriental women. I am black and yes would
wear jewel tones, but my mother who is also black looks washed out in jewel
tones and looks much better in orange and yellow. Orange toned lipsticks (
like coral ) look much better on my mother's lips than blue undertoned
lipstick ( like plums ).
There is much variety among the colouring of any given race. Racial features
more often have to do with the facial features ( The eyelids of Orientals and
the noses of blacks for example ).
Vive la difference
Nadia Scott
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>
>
>That is not true with all black and oriental women. I am black and yes
would
>wear jewel tones, but my mother who is also black looks washed out in jewel
>tones and looks much better in orange and yellow. Orange toned lipsticks
>like coral ) look much better on my mother's lips than blue undertoned
>lipstick ( like plums ).
I had to smile as I was reading this thread. It brought 2 things to mind:
Does anyone remember the fashion colour co-ordination thing - are
you spring, are you summer -fall or winter?
And the other was Robin Williams talking about fashion colours in the jungle
in Good Morning Vietnam.
Sorry, I'll leave now <g>,
skating ob: Wouldn't Robin Williams be a hoot as colour commentator
in a fs competion? The possibilities are endless.
Pat C
Sonsie Conroy
On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:35:56 -0600, "John & Pat Colpitts"
>skating ob: Wouldn't Robin Williams be a hoot as colour commentator
>in a fs competion? The possibilities are endless.
I got a huge laugh just imagining this. Unfortunately, I think most of
his comments would be un-broadcastable. Some of the funniest things he
says are also the, uh, bluest. <G>
=Sonsie=
Violina23
>> HELLO! She is a teenager. I think Tara looks like any other teenager who
>puts
>> on makeup
This is just my opinion, but I don't think she should be striving to look like
just any other teenager. The overdone makeup doesn't help, but it's true that
you don't really notice while she is skating. But if I were her, I'd stick to
more natural looking makeup to bring out a natural and mature look rather than
the bright blue eyeshadow and the bright pink blush. Just my opinion. I guess
it all depends on the particular program :)
-Heather :-)
ben...@pacbell.net
Violina23 wrote:
>
> >> HELLO! She is a teenager. I think Tara looks like any other teenager who
> >puts
> >> on makeup
>
makeup as Tara does...well...ok, when I used to play dress up but lets
not get into that...:). Granted, Tara is a skater, and doesn't want
to look washed out, but I think that she could do without a lot of the
blue eyeshadow some of that lipstick. I think Tara is trying to look
older by using so much makeup..as Michelle did when she was her age.
Now Michelle is going for a more natural look, which makes her seem
more confident and mature. Perhaps Tara will acheive this look in the
years to come.
I hope people don't criticize Tara too much for this...she has enough
criticism to deal with.
Just my $.2
Sarah
~Sarah~
Kandyin
>This is just my opinion, but I don't think she should be striving to look like
>just any other teenager. The overdone makeup doesn't help, but it's true that
>you don't really notice while she is skating. But if I were her, I'd stick to
>more natural looking makeup to bring out a natural and mature look rather
>than
>the bright blue eyeshadow and the bright pink blush. Just my opinion. I guess
>it all depends on the particular program :)
Heather, knowing that you're a Michelle Kwan's fan, even you would've
agreed that Michelle did have a bit too much make-up for her Salome
program. But also, as you'd said, "it all depends on the particular
program". I think this year for Tara has been an adjusting year, a
natural progression. Remember Michelle's change from 95 to 96, from
hardly any make-up to heavy eyeshadows make-up, and from the beginning
of 97 with the heavy make-up to the Worlds with minimal make-up, to
this season with Michelle au natural. Tara's camp is probably still
adjusting her look, and given time she'll find the right look for herself
also.
Kandy
Violina23
Oh yes, Michelle did have a LOT of makeup on, but as I said, it all depends on
the program. Michelle was playing the role of a seductress. So, the makeup was
definitly too much for a teenager, but was not as much of a distraction if you
kept in mind the character she was playing. And yes, Michelle's programs work
very well with the natural look, which I like better period. But I wasn't sure
if the overload of makeup was a good choice for a program skated to Anastasia
or The Rainbow. Both seemed to be stressing a natural innocence and
youthfulness that is the focus of Tara's skating. Therefore, I found the bright
pink cheeks and blue eyeshadow distracting. This is just my personal opinion.
I'm sure 80 million people will jump all over me (what else are newsgroups for
anyways ;) but that's just what I think.
PegLewis
Okay, this quote doesn't really lead to my sudden thought here, but it will
bridge the comment to the thread that made it pop into my head. <g>
In article <19980122140...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, nlg...@aol.com
(NLGHAtc) writes:
>I wonder if that has anything to do with her sister Karen who is
>studying fashion design in college. I know in Michelle's book she really
>admires Karen's sense of style.
Personal theory on why Michelle Kwan is using little makeup this season,
particularly contrasting to the heavy makeup she used last year (and associated
other theory):
Confidence.
I think Michelle was hiding last season. The thick facade was a manifestation
of her lack of self-assuredness.
(Please note, Tara seems to be doing this false facade-thing *this* season.
Note also, neither Michelle then (fact) nor Tara now (my supposition) realized
they were having a confidence crisis while it was going on and spoke/speak very
confidently throughout.)
(Please also note, this is only a theory based on my own personal
interpretation of what I see and hear and infer from that. Your interpretation
may vary and is equally valid.)
(Please also also note [I hate *having* to include preventative disclaimers
like these <vbg> !! ] and I also realize that Tara & Michelle are not the same
person, nor are they joined at the hip *BUT* they are in very similar
situations, at similar ages, and in a similar glaring spotlight, and that makes
me apply the experiences of one to another, particularly since I came to the
conclusion independently and only later realized the situations, to me, are
parallel.)
In contrast, this season Michelle is very confident that she "can do this."
[Nike's new slogan? <wink>] She has no reason to hide, subconsciously, and that
shows itself in a willingness to be herself and not skate a role, to eshew the
busy costumes, and to - as the season progresses - use less makeup on and off
the ice.
Okay, it's just a passing thought... <g> I normally don't think about makeup at
all. Thanks a lot, guys! <g>
KMC528
I was a dancer in high school, and before a performance, we slathered the goop
on with trowels. My dad thought we looked like tramps the night the bunch of
us got ready at my house for the biggest performance of the year. (One of the
few he got to attend; Mom went to most of them during the day) Even though, as
early-arriving parents of the performers, my folks were near the front of the
audience, Dad had to admit that with the spotlights, we looked like we were
barely wearing any make-up at all.
Until I was 18, I was forbidden to wear make-up off-stage (even before that
incident), and to this day, if I remember to put lipstick on before leaving the
house, I'm doing well. (Compare to my best friend, who takes 45 minutes to put
on her face before taking out the trash or making a midnight McD's run.....)
So, the question is not how much glow-in-the-dark blue eyeshadow does Tara wear
on the ice, but what is she wearing when she's interviewed at home? I don't
recall her wearing any at all in the last interview I saw with her that wasn't
in the kiss & cry.
Please do not use this mailing list to send me Spam/junk mail. I forward all
such things to administration. Don't waste my time and risk your on-line
privileges by sending things I am not interested in. Thank you.
KMC
OperettaJK
In article <19980202052...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, kmc...@aol.com
(KMC528) writes:
>So, the question is not how much glow-in-the-dark blue eyeshadow does Tara
>wear on the ice, but what is she wearing when she's interviewed at home? I
>don't recall her wearing any at all in the last interview I saw with her that
>wasn't in the kiss & cry.
No one cares if she applies makeup off the ice, at least not me. What the
original poster meant is she doesn't look good on ice with all those heavy
makeup. I agree. She and her handlers need a makeup lesson.
Shirley/Rick
In article <19980202072...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
opere...@aol.com (OperettaJK) wrote:
> No one cares if she applies makeup off the ice, at least not me.
I agree that it's really between Tara and her parents how much make-up she
wears at home.
> What the
> original poster meant is she doesn't look good on ice with all those heavy
> makeup. I agree. She and her handlers need a makeup lesson.
Having been a skating coach at the local level for almost 10 years, I can
vouch for the fact that it's pretty common for coaches to advise their
students to put their make-up on heavily for competitions for the same
simple reason someone else pointed out using the example of the school
play.....in order for it to show up when you're on the ice, it HAS to be
applied way more heavily than you would normally. That doesn't mean that
coaches advocate the "tramp" type look, just a little heavier eye make-up,
lipstick and blush.
Keeping that in mind, the skaters you see on TV can't exactly run and wash
their make-up off between the time they skate and time you see them in the
kiss-and-cry area. If their make-up was applied heavily for the program,
it's going to look overdone when camerapeople do the close-ups as they
await their marks.
I don't think Tara's "handlers" need a make-up lesson ... I think *we*
need to "chill" about her make-up and remember that these people are
SKATERS, not Revlon models ... they prepare for these events with the
thought in mind that their SKATING is going to be judged, not how well or
how poorly the audience thinks they did their make-up.
--Shirley
AvsBalance
Hi....I've been lurking in the shadows of this NG and I've been reading most of
the posts in this thread....
Looks like everyone is saying the same thing and not answering the actual
question posed....Why is Tara abusing make-up???? Everyone has posted about
wearing heavy make-up because of lighting, etc, etc, etc,.....and I understand
all of that ( I am a photographer and make-up artist...I know that to please
the camera you must put it on thick...) but apparently Tara and/or her make up
people are doing a horrid job and she looks pretty trampy. The colors used on
her are not flattering at all either....
AvsBalance
~~~ In my sweetest dreams, I often see a little white kitty watching over
me.
Dressed in pink, silky wings a - flutter, in a floral breeze she
floats,
flitting pitter pitter patter.~~~~~
OperettaJK
In article <sdamo-02029...@dial-bel2-3.iway.aimnet.com>,
sd...@aimnet.com (Shirley/Rick) writes:
>Having been a skating coach at the local level for almost 10 years, I
>can vouch for the fact that it's pretty common for coaches to advise
>their students to put their make-up on heavily for competitions for the
>same simple reason someone else pointed out using the example of the
>school play.....in order for it to show up when you're on the ice, it HAS to
>be applied way more heavily than you would normally. That doesn't mean
>that coaches advocate the "tramp" type look, just a little heavier eye
>make-up, lipstick and blush.
Please let your students know this: It's not how heavy that counts, it's how
correct you apply them. As I stated before, there's cosmetics specially made
for camera or stage. There are some colors shown well on camera or from a
distance. There are colors you shouldn't use, e.g. frosty colors usually don't
show well on camera. Matte for everything, from foundation to eyeshadow to
lipstick, is your best bet. Tell them to get a free makeup in high-end
department stores' makeup counter and they can pick up plenty of tips. They
need to tell those makeup artists first that it's for camera or stage. Those
makeup artists may not be specialists (for camera or stage makeup), but at
least they know makeup better than moms and coaches.
>Keeping that in mind, the skaters you see on TV can't exactly run and wash
>their make-up off between the time they skate and time you see them in the
>kiss-and-cry area. If their make-up was applied heavily for the program,
>it's going to look overdone when camerapeople do the close-ups as they
>await their marks.
I maintain my opinion that skaters should have camera makeup instead of stage
makeup since judges' seats are close to the ice and TV audience is larger than
live audience.
>I don't think Tara's "handlers" need a make-up lesson ... I think *we* need to
>"chill" about her make-up and remember that these people are SKATERS, not
>Revlon models ... they prepare for these events with the thought in mind that
their >SKATING is going to be judged, not how well or how poorly the audience
thinks >they did their make-up.
Then why skaters spend thousands of dollars on costumes if their skating is the
only thing that counts? There are plenty of makeup tips you can pick up at a
relative low price. Free makeup consultation at department stores is one. There
are many makeup books out recently. Even a makeup seminar is relatively cheap
compared with the cost of a costume. If skaters want to look good, why do it
half way? Tara is a world class skater with lots of money. She and her handlers
should know better. Light pastel colors don't look good on camera period. Plus,
it makes her look even more immature. She reminded me a little girl who uses
mom's makeup to play dressup.
Shirley/Rick
In article <19980202212...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
opere...@aol.com (OperettaJK) wrote:
> Please let your students know this: It's not how heavy that counts, it's how
> correct you apply them. As I stated before, there's cosmetics specially made
> for camera or stage. There are some colors shown well on camera or from a
> distance. There are colors you shouldn't use, e.g. frosty colors usually don't
> show well on camera.
Thanks, but I *think* I have a pretty good handle on what I should be
telling my students! As I stated before, how well your make-up looks ON
CAMERA is not your foremost concern when you're trying to win the National
championship! If it looks good on camera, that's terrific, but the first
and foremost concern is the PERFORMANCE.
> Matte for everything, from foundation to eyeshadow to
> lipstick, is your best bet. Tell them to get a free makeup in high-end
> department stores' makeup counter and they can pick up plenty of tips. They
> need to tell those makeup artists first that it's for camera or stage. Those
> makeup artists may not be specialists (for camera or stage makeup), but at
> least they know makeup better than moms and coaches.
It would be interesting if there were a way to find out how many, if any,
skaters at National/World/Olympic level have consulted with or paid a
professional for instruction on how to do their make-up for competitions.
MANY different issues are addressed with a skater before a competition.
Among them: the skater's technical strengths and weaknesses; the skater's
artistic strengths and weaknesses; the choice of music that the skater
likes, connects with, and that compliments the skater's style; the choice
of a costume that coincides with the chosen music, that is becoming to the
skater, that the skater can comfortably move in, that meets the
regulations, and that allows the skater to be seen even when he/she is all
the way across the rink; and, hair and make-up that meet the same criteria
as the costume. I can think of dozens of other concerns that I have not
mentioned. Speaking for myself only here, if/when I or a student of mine
has extra time that they don't know what to do with, I would much rather
spend it reviewing things like good sportsmanship (win or lose) than
sending them to a department store for a make-up lesson from someone who
doesn't have a clue about what is effective or ineffective make-up for a
figure skater.
> I maintain my opinion that skaters should have camera makeup instead of stage
> makeup since judges' seats are close to the ice and TV audience is larger than
> live audience.
The make-up is done for the PERFORMANCE -- of course it's nice if the
make-up happens to look nice for the TV audience as well, but the first
and foremost concern is the PERFORMANCE.
> Then why skaters spend thousands of dollars on costumes if their skating
is the
> only thing that counts?
I never said skating was the "ONLY thing that counts." You can't compare
the importance of the *costume* (a huge consideration) with how a skater
does her make-up. I've never once heard of a competitor that didn't get
full credit because they chose the wrong shade of eye-shadow.
> There are plenty of makeup tips you can pick up at a
> relative low price. Free makeup consultation at department stores is one.
Again, make-up tips from a department store may or may not be effectively
applied to what a skater needs when she's on the ice.
> If skaters want to look good, why do it
> half way? Tara is a world class skater with lots of money. She and her
handlers
> should know better. Light pastel colors don't look good on camera
period. Plus,
> it makes her look even more immature. She reminded me a little girl who uses
> mom's makeup to play dressup.
Light pastel colors don't look good on camera???...so she should use
darker colors? Of course, these are your OPINIONS, to which you are
entitled. Perhaps Tara, her coach and her parents think her make-up looks
great. Having been in the industry (skating, not make-up), Tara's make-up
doesn't strike me as being inappropriate. You brought up a good point when
you said Tara reminded you of a "little girl" ... Tara *does* still look
more like a little girl than like a full-grown woman, especially compared
with the other ladies she's competing against. So it's only logical that
you might feel that she looks like she's playing "dress-up." And that's
*my* OPINION!
--Shirley
Violina23
<<<<<<<<Having been a skating coach at the local level for almost 10 years, I
can
students to put their make-up on heavily for competitions for the same
simple reason someone else pointed out using the example of the school
play.....in order for it to show up when you're on the ice, it HAS to be
applied way more heavily than you would normally. That doesn't mean that
coaches advocate the "tramp" type look, just a little heavier eye make-up,
lipstick and blush.>>>>>>
In my opinion, programs like Anastasia and The Rainbow, both emphasizing her
youthfulness and eagerness, shouldn't be overdone with makeup. I think some
natural colors would have done the trick-- I think it would have been better to
bring out her natural features.
Louis Epstein
OperettaJK (opere...@aol.com) wrote:
:
: I maintain my opinion that skaters should have camera makeup instead of stage
: makeup since judges' seats are close to the ice and TV audience is larger than
: live audience.
99% of competitive skating is not televised;100% of competitive skating
hinges on how the skater looks to the judges.
OperettaJK
In article <sdamo-02029...@dial-bel2-21.iway.aimnet.com>,
sd...@aimnet.com (Shirley/Rick) writes:
>In article 19980202212...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, opere...@aol.com
>(OperettaJK) wrote:
>> Please let your students know this: It's not how heavy that counts, it's how
>> correct you apply them. As I stated before, there's cosmetics specially made
>> for camera or stage. There are some colors shown well on camera or from a
>> distance. There are colors you shouldn't use, e.g. frosty colors usually
don't
>> show well on camera.
>Thanks, but I *think* I have a pretty good handle on what I should be
>telling my students! As I stated before, how well your make-up looks ON
>CAMERA is not your foremost concern when you're trying to win the National
>championship! If it looks good on camera, that's terrific, but the first
and foremost concern is the
>PERFORMANCE.
Hey, don't sound so defensive. Those were just some advices from someone who's
working in fashion industry with many makeup artists. Did I say performance
isn't important? But hair, makeup along costume makes a complete package. No? I
think Michelle Kwan's makeover in '96 established the importance of that.
>> Matte for everything, from foundation to eyeshadow to lipstick, is your best
bet. >>Tell them to get a free makeup in high-end department stores' makeup
counter >>and they can pick up plenty of tips. They need to tell those makeup
artists first >>that it's for camera or stage. Those makeup artists may not be
specialists (for >>camera or stage makeup), but at least they know makeup
better than moms and >>coaches.
>It would be interesting if there were a way to find out how many, if any,
skaters at
>National/World/Olympic level have consulted with or paid a professional for
>instruction on how to do their make-up for competitions.
I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of them have. When you reach that level,
every details count.
<snip>
>Speaking for myself only here, if/when I or a student of mine has extra time
that >they don't know what to do with, I would much rather spend it reviewing
things like >good sportsmanship (win or lose) than sending them to a department
store for a >make-up lesson from someone who doesn't have a clue about what is
effective or >ineffective make-up for a figure skater.
Hey, if you don't believe in professionals (who else is better qualified,
coaches, moms?), fine with me. But if you try it, it may surprise you.
>The make-up is done for the PERFORMANCE -- of course it's nice if the >make-up
happens to look nice for the TV audience as well, but the first and >foremost
concern is the PERFORMANCE.
"...happens to look nice..."? You think world class skaters should leave their
looks to chance? When in figure skating, presentation counts heavily? IMO,
they'd be foolish if they do.
>>Then why skaters spend thousands of dollars on costumes if their skating is
the
>>only thing that counts?
>I never said skating was the "ONLY thing that counts." You can't compare
>the importance of the *costume* (a huge consideration) with how a skater
>does her make-up. I've never once heard of a competitor that didn't get
>full credit because they chose the wrong shade of eye-shadow.
How many skaters are penalized for costumes lately? Hair, makeup and costume
are part of the package that sells your program. Messing up any of them may not
mean deductions. It just deminishes a skater's appeal to the judges.
>> If skaters want to look good, why do it half way? Tara is a world class
skater
>>with lots of money. She and her handlers should know better. Light pastel
>>colors don't look good on camera period. Plus, it makes her look even more
>>immature. She reminded me a little girl who uses mom's makeup to play
>>dressup.
>Light pastel colors don't look good on camera???...so she should
>use darker colors? Of course, these are your OPINIONS, to which you
>are entitled. Perhaps Tara, her coach and her parents think her make-up
>looks great.
Sure, it's my opinion based on experience with camera makeup. Light pastel
colors and any frosts in makeup don't look good on camera. No, I'm not
suggesting her use darker colors. She should use more neutral colors that close
to her colorings. If you pay attention to all those actresses and news
anchorwomen on TV, you won't find too many pastel colors on their faces. If
Tara, her coach and her parents think her makeup looks great, they apparently
know nothing about makeup. Well, her costumes aren't that great either. That
tells something about her and her handlers' taste.
>Having been in the industry (skating, not make-up), Tara's make-up doesn't
strike >me as being inappropriate.
I didn't say it's "inappropriate". It just doesn't look good on her.
>You brought up a good point when you said Tara reminded you of a "little girl"
... >Tara *does* still look more like a little girl than like a full-grown
woman, especially
>compared with the other ladies she's competing against. So it's only logical
>that you might feel that she looks like she's playing "dress-up." And
>that's *my* OPINION!
Size is not the only determining factor on her "little girl" looks. The right
makeup CAN make her look much more mature than she looks now. I worked with
some teenage models, some are younger than Tara. With the RIGHT (NOT HEAVY)
makeup, hair and clothes, a 14-year-old can easily pass off as 20. I'm not
suggesting Tara should pretend to be 20. But her current makeup makes her look
like 12, at most. It hurts their efforts of creating a more mature,
sophisicated image for her.
Che
On 2 Feb 1998 21:28:27 GMT, opere...@aol.com (OperettaJK) wrote:
>Please let your students know this: It's not how heavy that counts, it's how
>correct you apply them. As I stated before, there's cosmetics specially made
>for camera or stage. There are some colors shown well on camera or from a
>distance. There are colors you shouldn't use, e.g. frosty colors usually don't
>show well on camera. Matte for everything, from foundation to eyeshadow to
>lipstick, is your best bet. Tell them to get a free makeup in high-end
>department stores' makeup counter and they can pick up plenty of tips. They
>need to tell those makeup artists first that it's for camera or stage. Those
>makeup artists may not be specialists (for camera or stage makeup), but at
>least they know makeup better than moms and coaches.
Isnt the problem here that you can't make up for camera closeups AND
for performance in a big arena. So they choose the big arena and
then, if they win, you get the closeups. But viewers don't make the
translation "That makeup wasnt for this distance".
Trudi Marrapodi
Yeah. The main thing being, if it looks to the judges as if the skater's
butt is sitting on the ice every few seconds, the skater will not win.
--
Trudi
To mail me, drop the "i" from my last name in the address--
Binghamton did!
Shirley/Rick
> Isnt the problem here that you can't make up for camera closeups AND
> for performance in a big arena. So they choose the big arena and
> then, if they win, you get the closeups. But viewers don't make the
> translation "That makeup wasnt for this distance".
That's EXACTLY the point...the "handlers" (as Operetta put it) want to
make sure the "package" looks great DURING THE PERFORMANCE ... they aren't
really spending time on what someone in the TV audience is thinking about
Tara's choice of make-up colors. And you're also right in that the
majority of non-skating viewers don't really understand that where make-up
is concerned, in order to *see* it while the skater is on the ice, it's
going to look overdone in the close-ups.
--Shirley
JEN28OL
>In my opinion, programs like Anastasia and The Rainbow, both emphasizing her
>youthfulness and eagerness, shouldn't be overdone with makeup. I think some
>natural colors would have done the trick-- I think it would have been better
>to
>bring out her natural features.
I just don't see how some feel Tara's make-up is over done. She wears
lipstick, eyeshadow and mascara. The judges need to be able to see the eyes
from a distance and she'd look washed out if she didn't have lipstick on.
She's not wearing blood red lipstick for Pete's sake. I could see if she had
liquid eyeliner drawn all over her face (ala Tonia Kwiatkowski) of those nasty,
fake-looking, garish red nails that some of the ladies have been sporting
lately.
Jen
Shirley/Rick
In article <19980203093...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
opere...@aol.com (OperettaJK) wrote:
> >Thanks, but I *think* I have a pretty good handle on what I should be
> >telling my students! As I stated before, how well your make-up looks ON
> >CAMERA is not your foremost concern when you're trying to win the National
> >championship! If it looks good on camera, that's terrific, but the first
> and foremost concern is the
> >PERFORMANCE.
>
> Hey, don't sound so defensive. Those were just some advices from someone who's
> working in fashion industry with many makeup artists. Did I say performance
> isn't important? But hair, makeup along costume makes a complete package. No?
Yes ... it *is* a complete package.
> Hey, if you don't believe in professionals (who else is better qualified,
> coaches, moms?), fine with me. But if you try it, it may surprise you.
Of course, good advice from professionals is always welcome. I worked in
the industry for many years and was acquainted with some coaches who
taught senior-level competitors that went to Nationals. I was around when
they discussed costumes, music, etc. While make-up *was* discussed, I've
never known of anyone who got advice from a make-up professional. I'm not
saying it doesn't happen--just that I'd be surprised if there was a very
high percentage of those who use make-up professionals.
> "...happens to look nice..."? You think world class skaters should leave their
> looks to chance? When in figure skating, presentation counts heavily? IMO,
> they'd be foolish if they do.
No...I never said they should "leave their looks to chance." They FOCUS on
how the skater looks during the PERFORMANCE. If that "package" also looks
good on camera...that's an added benefit. My point was that the skater and
their "handlers" don't sit around discussing what's going to look best *ON
CAMERA*-- their priority are those precious few minutes when the skater is
*on the ice.*
> >I never said skating was the "ONLY thing that counts." You can't compare
> >the importance of the *costume* (a huge consideration) with how a skater
> >does her make-up. I've never once heard of a competitor that didn't get
> >full credit because they chose the wrong shade of eye-shadow.
>
> How many skaters are penalized for costumes lately?
Um...where did I say *that*? Please re-read the above. I wasn't implying
that they got deductions for costume. I was trying to point out that the
choice of the right costume is a HUGE project, often with input from
*many* people. While hair and make-up are important too, they certainly
aren't grouped in the same category with the COSTUME in terms of how much
time and energy goes into it. I think you are saying that the skaters
SHOULD be equally concerned with their make-up as with their costume ...
and frankly, make-up just *isn't* as big a priority as the costume UNLESS
the make-up is *part* of the overall costume.
> Hair, makeup and costume
> are part of the package that sells your program. Messing up any of them may
> not mean deductions. It just deminishes a skater's appeal to the judges.
When a skater SKATES as well as Tara, her appeal isn't at risk because she
used (in your opinion) the wrong color eye shadow.
> >> If skaters want to look good, why do it half way? Tara is a world class
> >> skater
> >>with lots of money. She and her handlers should know better.
It is always assumed that all these skaters and their families are ROLLING
in dough and have unlimited funds to spend on every last detail. While a
good majority of skaters at this level come from wealthy families, I have
been there to see that EVEN at Tara's level, how money gets spent *is*
STILL a consideration in many cases. Hiring a make-up consultant would, in
many cases, be considered an unnecessary luxury.
> If
> Tara, her coach and her parents think her makeup looks great, they apparently
> know nothing about makeup. Well, her costumes aren't that great either. That
> tells something about her and her handlers' taste.
Again, these are *your* opinions. Maybe Tara's handlers wouldn't think
much of *your* taste either. If you think Tara could benefit from your
make-up expertise, why don't you write to her?
> >You brought up a good point when you said Tara reminded you of a "little
> >girl"
> ... >Tara *does* still look more like a little girl than like a full-grown
> woman, especially
> >compared with the other ladies she's competing against. So it's only logical
> >that you might feel that she looks like she's playing "dress-up." And
> >that's *my* OPINION!
>
> Size is not the only determining factor on her "little girl" looks.
As I was typing this, there was a commercial on TV for the upcoming
Olympics. It was rather bizarre as the announcer referred to "*little*
Tara Lipinski"!
> The right
> makeup CAN make her look much more mature than she looks now. I worked with
> some teenage models, some are younger than Tara. With the RIGHT (NOT HEAVY)
> makeup, hair and clothes, a 14-year-old can easily pass off as 20.
But again...this is *not* the criteria during Tara's PERFORMANCES. The
bottom line here is that make-up that looks terrific on a person in
regular, normal, everyday life usually isn't even VISIBLE when a skater is
*on the ice*. Again, if you think you could make *that* big a difference
in Tara's appearance, by all means, CONTACT HER (do it soon...before her
Olympic performances)! But I'd say, she's done pretty well ... even using
(in your opinion) the wrong color make-up "not-that-great" costumes!
--Shirley
SciopthJzy
Jen:
>I just don't see how some feel Tara's make-up is over done. She
>wears lipstick, eyeshadow and mascara. The judges need to be
>able to see the eyes from a distance and she'd look washed out
>if she didn't have lipstick on.
I think the problem is stemming, as several people have pointed out,
from the fact, NOT that Tara is using too much, but that she's choosing
the wrong colors...which makes her make-up really ...well, for lack of
a better word...shriek, when she's in the close-ups in the kiss-and-cry.
Blue is almost universally a middle-school girl's choice of eyeshadow,
but with few exceptions it shouldn't be used..and certainly not the
powder blues that are so popular. Tara needs softer, more natural
colors (which can also be applied heavily enough to be seen) that
both compliment her coloring AND her costume choices.
Colors which she would find more success with would be peaches, browns
and some coral/pinks (not plum pinks, unless the costume really dictated
it.) These come in a myriad of shadings and would compliment her
coloring so much better than the blues she tends towards now. In addition
we'd stop noticing her eyelids, and start noticing her EYES.....
As for the cost of a make-up consultant, I truly doubt you would need
to go that far...as has been said, most any salesperson at a cosmetic
counter of higher end department stores could help..and usually do so
for free.
Karen Hammond
Jesus is coming....everybody look busy
Nadia Scott
>As for the cost of a make-up consultant, I truly doubt you would need
>to go that far...as has been said, most any salesperson at a cosmetic
>counter of higher end department stores could help..and usually do so
>for free.
>
I would be wary of some ( not all ) of those salepeople. Many of them put
on black or dark grey / blue eyeshadow so thick that they look like they got 2
black eyes from an accident. I have seen them put makeup on potential
customers and you can't see the client's faces, only the makeup.
As a general rule , make sure the salesperson puts on her own makeup well and
stay away from those " I must display all of my companie's products " type of
salespeople.
Violina23
<<When a skater SKATES as well as Tara, her appeal isn't at risk because she
used (in your opinion) the wrong color eye shadow.>>
When I saw the overdone makeup for the Anastasia program, I remember shaking my
head and saying "Boy, that girl needs to lighten up on the blush and eye
shadow". My point is that my last impression of her was the overdone makeup.
Who knows what goes on in the judges' minds--- but if they are human, these
last impressions make a difference.
I just think she should wear natural colors which would compliment her natural
features better. That is just what I feel. No, it will not change her
standings, and no, it probably would not affect the judges to any significant
amount. But it would just look nicer in general if she picked colors better
matched for herself.
OperettaJK
>Colors which she would find more success with would be peaches, browns
and some coral/pinks (not plum pinks, unless the costume really dictated
it.) These come in a myriad of shadings and would compliment her
coloring so much better than the blues she tends towards now. In addition
we'd stop noticing her eyelids, and start noticing her EYES.....
Well said, Karen. I think rosy clay, smoky grey (all these are considered
neutral colors) will look good on her too and they go well with her blue
costume. The point of makeup is to ENHANCE the features, not DISTRACTING.
No, Sharon, I'm not a makeup artist. I'm a designer who works with makeup
artists during fashion shoots (for camera) and fashion shows (for live
audience). Judging from posts in this NG and different publications, I dare to
say a lot of people don't think much of Tara's taste in costume and makeup. In
Philadelphia's interview with Tara's costume designer, Tara seems to be the one
who calls the shot. Apparently, she doesn't believe in professionals
either.....
Sharonilee
According to the TAra article in next week's TV Guide, there is a plethora of
very expensive Chanel makeup on Tara's dressing table! The person who said she
chooses middle school colors is right! I remember when my daughter first
started wearing make-up..a swath of purple or.blue on the eyes and sickly
purple-pink on the lips......not too many people look good in those colors, but
she's acting "normal" for her age..would love to see her in beiges and taupes.
Shari
Shari
" The jumps were never supposed to mean so much. You need it all: the
lightness and the airiness, the music, the personality. You need the caressing
of the ice." ...Carol Heiss
Allure752
>According to the TAra article in next week's TV Guide, there is a plethora of
>very expensive Chanel makeup on Tara's dressing table! The person who said
>she
>chooses middle school colors is right! I remember when my daughter first
>started wearing make-up..a swath of purple or.blue on the eyes and sickly
>purple-pink on the lips......not too many people look good in those colors,
>but
>she's acting "normal" for her age..would love to see her in beiges and
>taupes.
>
>
>Shari
>Shari
>
tara's fifteen, right? well, i don't know about you, but i'm fifteen right now,
and i don't exactly choose as makeup those bright, um, vivid colors that tara
lipinski chooses to wear. nor do i see other girls my age wearing blue
eyeshadow and bright pink blush. and i *do* live in texas. :) all i wanted to
point out was that tara's choice of makeup is not what is normal for teenage
girls, at least not in texas. i wish she'd choose more natural colors... bright
pink blush and blue eyeshadow make her look like a Barbie doll.. hmm, is there
some connection between this and her recent endorsement of the Mattel doll? a
marketing ploy? kinda makes you think.. :)
esther
OperettaJK
In article <19980204023...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, allu...@aol.com
(Allure752) writes:
>tara's fifteen, right? well, i don't know about you, but i'm fifteen right
>now, and i don't exactly choose as makeup those bright, um, vivid colors that
>tara lipinski chooses to wear. nor do i see other girls my age wearing
>blue eyeshadow and bright pink blush. and i *do* live in texas. :) all i
>wanted to point out was that tara's choice of makeup is not what is normal
>for teenage girls, at least not in texas. i wish she'd choose more natural
>colors... bright pink blush and blue eyeshadow make her look like a Barbie
>doll.. hmm, is there some connection between this and her recent endorsement
>of the Mattel doll? a marketing ploy? kinda makes you think.. :)
LOL. When we're at it....maybe it's DKNY Kids' new colors for 1998!!!
I think it's weird to sign a 15-year-old for a kids' line. How long can she
stay "childlike"? It certainly doesn't help her search of a more mature
identity. But I guess money says louder.
JEN28OL
>I think it's weird to sign a 15-year-old for a kids' line. How long can she
>stay "childlike"? It certainly doesn't help her search of a more mature
>identity. But I guess money says louder.
next 25 years. 15 is still a kid. With her size and shape right now it
makes a whole lot more sense to endorse clothing she can actually wear. At SA
they gave out copies of Skating magazine with Tara on the cover. She's wearing
DKNY clothing and it's just normal athletic-type wear, leggings, t-shirts and
tennis shoes.
Jen
Trudi Marrapodi
The ideal in putting on makeup, which adults know, is to look as if you
don't need to wear any makeup at all. OTOH, young girls see the wearing of
makeup as a huge milestone on the road to maturity, so when they first
start putting on makeup, they tend to choose the kind of colors that will
scream to everyone, "Hey, look, I am wearing makeup."
It's kind of like getting your period. Once you've had it for a while, the
"thrill" is gone (as if there ever really was any), but for girls who
haven't done it yet, it's a big production and they want everyone to know.
Still, you'd think that with Tara being in the spotlight as she is, she'd
be getting her skating makeup done by adults who would know better what
suits her.
Shirley/Rick
In article <marrapodi-040...@128.226.35.187>,
marr...@binghamton.edu (Trudi Marrapodi) wrote:
> Still, you'd think that with Tara being in the spotlight as she is, she'd
> be getting her skating makeup done by adults who would know better what
> suits her.
Part of it is, even if the adults around her know that different make-up
would make her look better, try getting a head-strong, adolescent young
girl to take your advice rather than do it her own way!
--Shirley
HILL JANET SWAN
Violina23 <viol...@aol.com> wrote:
><<When a skater SKATES as well as Tara, her appeal isn't at risk because she
>used (in your opinion) the wrong color eye shadow.>>
>
>When I saw the overdone makeup for the Anastasia program, I remember shaking my
>head and saying "Boy, that girl needs to lighten up on the blush and eye
>shadow". My point is that my last impression of her was the overdone makeup.
>Who knows what goes on in the judges' minds--- but if they are human, these
>last impressions make a difference.
uhhhhh. noooooo. judging doesn't take looks into account. Makeup only
counts if you can call it "overly theatrical" .... which means something
like a theatrically *painted* face -- for instance, if a skater portraying
a tramp were to paint her/his face with smudges of "dirt".
>I just think she should wear natural colors which would compliment her natural
>features better. That is just what I feel. No, it will not change her
>standings, and no, it probably would not affect the judges to any significant
>amount.
Make that "in any way".
janet
--
OperettaJK
In article <19980204060...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, jen...@aol.com
(JEN28OL) writes:
>I don't recall reading that Tara will be endorsing DKNY kids for the next 25
years. >15 is still a kid.
In fashion industry, 15-year-old fits into the "junior" market (sizes 3, 5, 7,
9...), not "children wear" (size by age) anymore.
Kathleen Bratton
OperettaJK (opere...@aol.com) wrote:
> No, Sharon, I'm not a makeup artist. I'm a designer who works with makeup
> artists during fashion shoots (for camera) and fashion shows (for live
> audience). Judging from posts in this NG and different publications, I dare to
> say a lot of people don't think much of Tara's taste in costume and makeup. In
Hmm. I dare say a lot of people made a distinction between skating for
the camera/kiss and cry and skating for the arena.
And, actually, I've only see one costume of Tara's roundly criticized.
Other skaters seem to be more vulnerable to *that* particular charge.
And, hint about reading 'different publications': again, you don't want
to assume that what you're reading is a representative sample of the
population.
> Philadelphia's interview with Tara's costume designer, Tara seems to be the one
> who calls the shot. Apparently, she doesn't believe in professionals
> either.....
Well, to be convincing, you'd actually have to do a little research and
provide evidence that Tara uses professionals (make-up and costume
designers) less than other skaters. I mean, Tara's hardly the only skater
out there who occasionally makes costume choices that we on the ng find
questionable.
Of course, there's always the possibility that Tara hasn't had time to
consult the professionals that *you* think she should because she's been
far too busy doing anonymous charity work.
-- Kate
OperettaJK
In article <6bcn6c$2hk$4...@fddinewz.oit.unc.edu>, kbra...@email.unc.edu
(Kathleen Bratton) writes:
>And, actually, I've only see one costume of Tara's roundly criticized. Other
>skaters seem to be more vulnerable to *that* particular charge.
Oh, rest assured, we fashion police in this ng. is equal opportunity enforcer.
We criticize anyone who step out of the bound of good taste - by our respective
standard, of course..... Remember last year's comments on Michelle's LP dress?
all of Pasha's dresses?
Kathleen Bratton
Well, that was my point....someone on this thread said that (in their
perception), many people on the ng didn't like Tara's taste in costumes
and make-up...and while there have been a lot of suggestions for
improvement re makeup, it seemed to me that people complained less about
Tara's costumes than about, say, Nicole's. Or that dreadful hooded thing
that Pasha wears. Or Surya's costumes. Really, it's just that one
earlier blueish costume of Tara's that there was any outcry over. Which
is really a tribute to whoever chooses her costumes, because I imagine it
must be difficult to pick just the right one...you don't want to
accentuate her age or, but you don't want to make her look like she's
trying to be older than she is.
-- Kate
Che
When there's nothing to talk about.....people will talk about nothing.
Anything other than NOT talking.
Marcusfam1
Yeah, Tara does lay it thick with the makeup . My Mom used to say when I wore
it in my teens , lord don't put on too much or you look like you 're going to a
Halloween party !!
Harriet