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Apteryx
Jun 2, 2012, 5:50:11 PM6/2/12
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Just announced -
http://www.allblacks.com/news/19545/AllBlacks-Steinlager-Series-squad-named---seven-new-caps
Most controversial pick likely to be Weepu in, Ellis out. In fact there
are only two halfbacks (Smith the other) and only two hookers (with one
of each currently carrying an injury). But 3 fit first fives, with
Barrett getting the third spot.
The 5 left out from the 35 man training squad are Ellis, Kerr-Barlow,
Shields, Luke Whitelock and Hika Elliot, though Elliot has been named as
injury cover for Mealamu
Apteryx
http://www.allblacks.com/news/19545/AllBlacks-Steinlager-Series-squad-named---seven-new-caps
Most controversial pick likely to be Weepu in, Ellis out. In fact there
are only two halfbacks (Smith the other) and only two hookers (with one
of each currently carrying an injury). But 3 fit first fives, with
Barrett getting the third spot.
The 5 left out from the 35 man training squad are Ellis, Kerr-Barlow,
Shields, Luke Whitelock and Hika Elliot, though Elliot has been named as
injury cover for Mealamu
Apteryx
lord shineything
Jun 2, 2012, 6:05:13 PM6/2/12
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On Jun 3, 9:50 am, Apteryx <apte...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> Just announced -http://www.allblacks.com/news/19545/AllBlacks-Steinlager-Series-squad...
discovered it was all too true. The omission of Ellis is unbelievable
- easily the best halfback in NZ for several years and in the best
current form as well. The inclusion of Weepu is even more
unbelievable - he's only ever had one decent match for the ABs (QF in
last year's WC), he was truly awful in both the semi and final, having
to be hooked off very early on both occasions, and even by those
appalling standards he currently looks terrible. This has to be the
most irresponsible AB selection decision since the excruciating Laurie
Mains was chosen ahead of Fergie McCormick against the 1971 Lions.
Lord Shiney is also confused by the selection of Cane. The latter
isn't even the usual first choice at the Chiefs, and neither he nor
Latimer is as consistently good as Todd.
> Just announced -http://www.allblacks.com/news/19545/AllBlacks-Steinlager-Series-squad...
>
> Most controversial pick likely to be Weepu in, Ellis out. In fact there
> are only two halfbacks (Smith the other) and only two hookers (with one
> of each currently carrying an injury). But 3 fit first fives, with
> Barrett getting the third spot.
>
> The 5 left out from the 35 man training squad are Ellis, Kerr-Barlow,
> Shields, Luke Whitelock and Hika Elliot, though Elliot has been named as
> injury cover for Mealamu
>
Lord Shiney assumed you were kidding, but looked elsewhere and
> Most controversial pick likely to be Weepu in, Ellis out. In fact there
> are only two halfbacks (Smith the other) and only two hookers (with one
> of each currently carrying an injury). But 3 fit first fives, with
> Barrett getting the third spot.
>
> The 5 left out from the 35 man training squad are Ellis, Kerr-Barlow,
> Shields, Luke Whitelock and Hika Elliot, though Elliot has been named as
> injury cover for Mealamu
>
discovered it was all too true. The omission of Ellis is unbelievable
- easily the best halfback in NZ for several years and in the best
current form as well. The inclusion of Weepu is even more
unbelievable - he's only ever had one decent match for the ABs (QF in
last year's WC), he was truly awful in both the semi and final, having
to be hooked off very early on both occasions, and even by those
appalling standards he currently looks terrible. This has to be the
most irresponsible AB selection decision since the excruciating Laurie
Mains was chosen ahead of Fergie McCormick against the 1971 Lions.
Lord Shiney is also confused by the selection of Cane. The latter
isn't even the usual first choice at the Chiefs, and neither he nor
Latimer is as consistently good as Todd.
Gib Bogle
Jun 2, 2012, 6:30:03 PM6/2/12
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Apteryx
Jun 2, 2012, 6:58:45 PM6/2/12
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On 3/06/2012 10:30 a.m., Gib Bogle wrote:
>
> Even without Jane, great talent in the outside backs.
There is also the potential to bamboozle commentators (if not the
>
> Even without Jane, great talent in the outside backs.
opposition) by putting 3 players named Smith in the backs :)
Apteryx
Greig Blanchett
Jun 2, 2012, 8:03:27 PM6/2/12
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was puzzled when Todd was left out of the 35, but to see Cane elevated
to the playing squad is bizarre. I assume he's one of Fosters boys.
The Ellis decision borders on the criminally negligent. With 3 first
fives, it's not even as if we need Weepu for kicking cover. And as an
impact player, these days the only impact Weepu makes is on the Geonet
sensors.
Ali Williams is fucking lucky as well, having done nothing to justify
his selection. He's getting schooled by every young pup he comes up
against. Richard Loe got it right in the Herald - none of Williams,
Weepu and Nonu are even leaders, so with no form, what value do they
bring?
http://tinyurl.com/7zmeytj
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greig
Greig Blanchett
Jun 2, 2012, 8:10:38 PM6/2/12
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to add?
"I've really enjoyed working with Grant Fox and Ian Foster from a
selection point of view and have also been very impressed with the
coaching qualities of Ian (back attack), Aussie McLean (defense) and
Mike Cron (forwards). They have all brought a huge amount of
experience and great rugby nous into the All Blacks environment, which
has been refreshing and stimulating for those of us involved".
So Ian Foster, the man who was so successfully mediocre at the Chiefs
for 8 years, has been given one of the most potent backlines in world
rugby. What a fucking waste.
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greig
Gib Bogle
Jun 2, 2012, 10:20:34 PM6/2/12
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On 3/06/2012 12:03 p.m., Greig Blanchett wrote:
>
> Far be it from me to agree with Shiny on anything, but he's right. I
> was puzzled when Todd was left out of the 35, but to see Cane elevated
> to the playing squad is bizarre. I assume he's one of Fosters boys.
>
> The Ellis decision borders on the criminally negligent. With 3 first
> fives, it's not even as if we need Weepu for kicking cover. And as an
> impact player, these days the only impact Weepu makes is on the Geonet
> sensors.
>
> Ali Williams is fucking lucky as well, having done nothing to justify
> his selection. He's getting schooled by every young pup he comes up
> against. Richard Loe got it right in the Herald - none of Williams,
> Weepu and Nonu are even leaders, so with no form, what value do they
> bring?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7zmeytj
Surely last chance for these three.
>
> Far be it from me to agree with Shiny on anything, but he's right. I
> was puzzled when Todd was left out of the 35, but to see Cane elevated
> to the playing squad is bizarre. I assume he's one of Fosters boys.
>
> The Ellis decision borders on the criminally negligent. With 3 first
> fives, it's not even as if we need Weepu for kicking cover. And as an
> impact player, these days the only impact Weepu makes is on the Geonet
> sensors.
>
> Ali Williams is fucking lucky as well, having done nothing to justify
> his selection. He's getting schooled by every young pup he comes up
> against. Richard Loe got it right in the Herald - none of Williams,
> Weepu and Nonu are even leaders, so with no form, what value do they
> bring?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7zmeytj
JohnO
Jun 3, 2012, 12:54:07 AM6/3/12
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On Jun 3, 9:50 am, Apteryx <apte...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> Just announced -http://www.allblacks.com/news/19545/AllBlacks-Steinlager-Series-squad...
>
> Just announced -http://www.allblacks.com/news/19545/AllBlacks-Steinlager-Series-squad...
>
> Most controversial pick likely to be Weepu in, Ellis out. In fact there
> are only two halfbacks (Smith the other) and only two hookers (with one
> of each currently carrying an injury). But 3 fit first fives, with
> Barrett getting the third spot.
>
> The 5 left out from the 35 man training squad are Ellis, Kerr-Barlow,
> Shields, Luke Whitelock and Hika Elliot, though Elliot has been named as
> injury cover for Mealamu
>
> Apteryx
Seems a bit mad to leave Ellis out. I am not a fan but he's been solid
> are only two halfbacks (Smith the other) and only two hookers (with one
> of each currently carrying an injury). But 3 fit first fives, with
> Barrett getting the third spot.
>
> The 5 left out from the 35 man training squad are Ellis, Kerr-Barlow,
> Shields, Luke Whitelock and Hika Elliot, though Elliot has been named as
> injury cover for Mealamu
>
> Apteryx
this season. If they *had* to have Weepu in there then why not leave
Barrett out and have Weepu as 9/10 cover and get Ellis in?
Thrilled with all the first timers though. The future looks good.
Stephen
Jun 3, 2012, 4:00:50 AM6/3/12
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well and good. Help bring the youngsters on. If they can't the youngsters
will carry the day.
--
Cheers
Stephen
lord shineything
Jun 3, 2012, 5:48:00 PM6/3/12
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On Jun 3, 8:00 pm, Stephen <st...@dmsystems.co.nz> wrote:
Lord Shiney totally disagrees with this, at least in the case of Weepu
(Williams is a somewhat different matter - he's been an extremely good
AB at times in the past and is in a position where there's essentially
no other international experience available). Regardless of how well
Weepu plays in the next few weeks - and Lord Shiney has no great
optimism on this - the fact remains that his selection sends all the
wrong signals and so should never have happened. It tells players,
coaches, and kids that you don't need to be fit, you don't need to be
professional, you don't need to be performing - you'll still get
picked anyway. Who'd be a S15 coach now?
(Williams is a somewhat different matter - he's been an extremely good
AB at times in the past and is in a position where there's essentially
no other international experience available). Regardless of how well
Weepu plays in the next few weeks - and Lord Shiney has no great
optimism on this - the fact remains that his selection sends all the
wrong signals and so should never have happened. It tells players,
coaches, and kids that you don't need to be fit, you don't need to be
professional, you don't need to be performing - you'll still get
picked anyway. Who'd be a S15 coach now?
lord shineything
Jun 3, 2012, 6:04:04 PM6/3/12
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On Jun 3, 12:03 pm, Greig Blanchett <greig.blanch...@nSzPrAfMu.com>
wrote:
To be fair, Lord Shiney would say that Williams and, to a lesser
extent, Nonu are in a different basket to Weepu, in that both have
performed well at times for the ABs in the past, and Williams brings
some experience to a position that's otherwise very short of it. But
Weepu is right at the very top of Lord Shiney's Worst-Ever-AB-to-Have-
Played-More-Than-10-Tests list. He's habitually unfit and a sulker,
his passing is laboured at best, his field kicking is worse, he's so
slow that his running threat is non-existent, and, judging by the
quality of his on-field decisions, he's thick. And all that's when
he's at the top of his game. The only things he does better than
Ellis are goal kicking and pie eating. Over-weight, over-rated, over-
paid, and, unfortunately, still over here.
wrote:
extent, Nonu are in a different basket to Weepu, in that both have
performed well at times for the ABs in the past, and Williams brings
some experience to a position that's otherwise very short of it. But
Weepu is right at the very top of Lord Shiney's Worst-Ever-AB-to-Have-
Played-More-Than-10-Tests list. He's habitually unfit and a sulker,
his passing is laboured at best, his field kicking is worse, he's so
slow that his running threat is non-existent, and, judging by the
quality of his on-field decisions, he's thick. And all that's when
he's at the top of his game. The only things he does better than
Ellis are goal kicking and pie eating. Over-weight, over-rated, over-
paid, and, unfortunately, still over here.
Matua
Jun 3, 2012, 7:05:48 PM6/3/12
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right!!!!!
caspar milquetoast
Jun 3, 2012, 11:41:52 PM6/3/12
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and that players will not be tossed onto the scrap heap purely on the
basis of transitory, immediate form.
If there is one, all-important, indefinable quality that a team must
possess, that cannot be trained for, cannot be bought, and cannot be
coached -- it is self-belief, attitude, confidence; in short, esprit de
corps. The sort of thing that loyalty to players creates.
Of course, they can only be cut so much slack before the other needs of
the team -- form players in top condition -- take over.
Simon S-B
Jun 4, 2012, 4:00:36 AM6/4/12
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fresh blood to freshen things up, and breed competition.
> Of course, they can only be cut so much slack before the other needs of
> the team -- form players in top condition -- take over.
>
>
see England in the last RWC.
Stex
Jun 4, 2012, 7:02:19 AM6/4/12
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Stex
Brent Hadley
Jun 4, 2012, 9:05:03 AM6/4/12
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average player since Duane Monkley.
Cheers
Brent
Greig Blanchett
Jun 4, 2012, 3:45:10 PM6/4/12
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 04:02:19 -0700 (PDT), Stex <stex...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
To be fair to Caleb Ralph, he was the fastest man in the Crusaders
over 5km. Perfect for catching opposition players who got lost in the
fog, exited Lancaster Park at the Hadley end, hung a left on Ferry
Road and legged it back to Cathedral Square. He almost always caught
them by the time they hit Lichfield Street. Colombo Street at most.
Can't see Weepu having that sort of blistering pace.
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greig
wrote:
over 5km. Perfect for catching opposition players who got lost in the
fog, exited Lancaster Park at the Hadley end, hung a left on Ferry
Road and legged it back to Cathedral Square. He almost always caught
them by the time they hit Lichfield Street. Colombo Street at most.
Can't see Weepu having that sort of blistering pace.
--
greig
Greig Blanchett
Jun 4, 2012, 3:46:48 PM6/4/12
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greig
JohnO
Jun 4, 2012, 5:52:01 PM6/4/12
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things so hopefully the team has had sufficient bollocking in their
short test build-up to come out snarling.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/7042134/Richie-McCaw-demands-dead-right-attitude
JohnO
Jun 4, 2012, 5:53:52 PM6/4/12
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On Jun 5, 7:46 am, Greig Blanchett <greig.blanch...@nSzPrAfMu.com>
wrote:
Is that considered a positive or a negative in Canterbury?
> --
> greig
wrote:
> --
> greig
caspar milquetoast
Jun 4, 2012, 7:53:41 PM6/4/12
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On 05/06/2012 3:46 AM, Greig Blanchett wrote:
> I think Shiney forgot to mention Weepu porked his sister.
Is he resentful or jealous?
> I think Shiney forgot to mention Weepu porked his sister.
Andrew Dunford
Jun 4, 2012, 8:16:02 PM6/4/12
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"Greig Blanchett" <greig.b...@nSzPrAfMu.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
Andrew
Stex
Jun 4, 2012, 9:13:00 PM6/4/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
How quickly was the invisible one forgotten
Stex
Andrew Dunford
Jun 4, 2012, 9:21:58 PM6/4/12
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"Stex" <stex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Cantabrians in the 1980s used to bang on about Dale Atkins in much the same
way.
Andrew
Stex
Jun 4, 2012, 11:14:50 PM6/4/12
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On Jun 5, 11:21 am, "Andrew Dunford" <adunf...@artifax.net> wrote:
> "Stex" <stex2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Andrew- Hide quoted text -
Now if you could go to wiki and change Simon Mannix major teams back
to Wellington that would be great. It's bad enough Manawatu was raped
and pillaged of our best players over the years without you buggars
giving us your journeymen as well.
Stex
> "Stex" <stex2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ok I'll give you that.
> - Show quoted text -
Now if you could go to wiki and change Simon Mannix major teams back
to Wellington that would be great. It's bad enough Manawatu was raped
and pillaged of our best players over the years without you buggars
giving us your journeymen as well.
Stex
Andrew Dunford
Jun 5, 2012, 12:08:00 AM6/5/12
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At least he had the decency to leave when still young. I like the bit where
it says "played at club level for... Manawatu" - nuff said.
Andrew
it says "played at club level for... Manawatu" - nuff said.
Andrew
Stex
Jun 5, 2012, 1:00:35 AM6/5/12
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through his veins
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/profile.asp?ABID=533
We quite proud of our journeymen such as Bruce Hemara.
Stex
Greig Blanchett
Jun 5, 2012, 1:08:24 AM6/5/12
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 22:00:35 -0700 (PDT), Stex <stex...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I think the rule of thumb test is whether they'd be seen dead wearing
a bucket.
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greig
wrote:
a bucket.
--
greig
Andrew Dunford
Jun 5, 2012, 2:22:47 AM6/5/12
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Yeah, I know he's a Wellingtonian. I think you may have missed my point,
which was that Manawatu is a club team.
Andrew
which was that Manawatu is a club team.
Andrew
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Jun 5, 2012, 2:54:54 AM6/5/12
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