Stephen Jones's rich vein of bitterness
Two Dogs
I love it. Truly. It must be completely mind numbing and humiliating
for him to commit his life's work to hating the All Blacks only to see
them come into Twickers, play at 3/4 potential, and still make his
country of choice's team look turgid. For the 8th time in a row. I
almost feel sorry for him, I mean he obviously sold his emotional
shares in his home country to support what he thought would be a
winner and it's turned to ashes in his mouth. He has no fall back
position left.
Dark times, boyo.....
And as for hauling out the RWC and holding it up like a head of
Garlic and a bottle of holy water, feel free Stephen, it won't change
what is happening to your team every time they play NZ. 8 times in a
ROW, and the best he can manage is NZ hasn't won more RWC's? This
loss must be truly galling to haul out that chestnut. What if against
the odds, and it would be against the odds, NZ wins the RWC in 2011?
What will the poor fellow have left to live for? There'll be tears in
the Valley....
And oh yes, 2003, it's in there, "once the greatest rugby playing
nation on earth", ffs, it's Stephen Jones's 1966...
Roll on France. They will be a tougher nut to crack than the ruins
of Fortress Twickenham...
Two Dogs
Klitty
The amazing thing about that game was even when it was "deadlocked" one
knew that it was because half the ABs were chatting to their mates in
the stands. England were reasonable - no more. That silly crack at drop
goal with 15 or so to go was indicative of the creativity.
The other point is this : whats the point of "seeing things progress" in
the team when half the team are second stringers only there because of
injuries?
didgerman
Yeah France, we shit 'em.....
>
> Two Dogs
>
didgerman
You can slag the drop goal if you like, but we needed points in a hurry.
Two Dogs
> Klitty wrote:
Then why not kick the 3 pointer earlier? You'd chosen the lineout
and drive, and had some decent recycle going 10 yards out from the
line. It's hard to imagine the decision was "drive from the lineout,
and if that fails drop a goal". That would make me feel good about
myself if I was an England back. You needed a try, fullstop.
Two Dogs
Two Dogs
So you'll be claiming a victory if France beats NZ next week? By
that logic you lost to Scotland yesterday when they beat Australia,
and to Wales when they beat the Argies by a wide margin.
Stick to games actually played, it's better for your sanity...
Two Dogs
didgerman
We needed 10 or more points iirc. Who's to say that the whole team
wouldn't put more effort into establishing a further scoring platform
once we had 3 more points on the board? Why does it have to be try
first, 3 pointer after?
>
> Two Dogs
Two Dogs
Fair enough, but then why not take the 3 pointer on offer with the
penalty a minute or more earlier?
It looked like desperation and lack of confidence to try the
droppie at that point.
Two Dogs
didgerman
If?
France beats NZ next week? By
> that logic you lost to Scotland yesterday when they beat Australia,
> and to Wales when they beat the Argies by a wide margin.
Ah, no, not a bit.
>
> Stick to games actually played, it's better for your sanity...
It's too late for me now son.....
>
> Two Dogs
didgerman
Worth going for a try, if not resort to quick drop goal. Nobody really
expected Wilco to miss.....
>
> It looked like desperation and lack of confidence to try the
> droppie at that point.
Or, he was confident they'd get back down after the restart, these
things are always 50/50.
>
> Two Dogs
Maxx
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/rugby_union/article6926712.ece
>
> I love it. Truly. It must be completely mind numbing and humiliating
> for him to commit his life's work to hating the All Blacks only to see
> them come into Twickers, play at 3/4 potential, and still make his
> country of choice's team look turgid. For the 8th time in a row. I
> almost feel sorry for him, I mean he obviously sold his emotional
> shares in his home country to support what he thought would be a
> winner and it's turned to ashes in his mouth. He has no fall back
> position left.
Yeah the same came through with his "Big boys going backwards" article
about the Bok scrum. The last 6 losses in a row against the Boks
must've really hurt him too - especially 36-0 & 42-6 at the
"Fortress".
I wonder if he saw Beast & co walking through the "feared" Italy scrum
that man-handled the AB's and them reminding Fidelgiovanni exactly
who's boss?
> Roll on France. They will be a tougher nut to crack than the ruins
> of Fortress Twickenham...
Indeed. Good luck to the AB's if the French are as fired up as they
were against us! Should be a cracker.
Klitty
More than 3 and it was an excellent attacking position to break the try
duck.
It was lame.
It was also a very hard DG position.
Klitty
Klitty
Klitty
The Frogs were nothing special against a somewhat mediocre touring
team. Did they ever really need to put the pedal to the metal when
beating the Springbok?
Maxx
Not really going forward but they were massive at the contact point,
rucks and defense in general. Just how the Boks usually rattle the
AB's.
Osbourne Ruddock
news:heboqe$he9$2...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>> We needed 10 or more points iirc. Who's to say that the whole team
>>> wouldn't put more effort into establishing a further scoring
>>> platform once we had 3 more points on the board? Why does it have to
>>> be try first, 3 pointer after?
>>
>> Fair enough, but then why not take the 3 pointer on offer with the
>> penalty a minute or more earlier?
>
> Worth going for a try, if not resort to quick drop goal. Nobody really
> expected Wilco to miss.....
>
>>
>> It looked like desperation and lack of confidence to try the
>> droppie at that point.
>
> Or, he was confident they'd get back down after the restart, these
> things are always 50/50.
>
Dave's point still stands. They gave up a nailed on 3 points to go for
the try, much to the crowd's appreciation. They work the ball into the
back line in the centre of the field with the outside guys heading
towards the try line and Wilkinson tries a drop. I really can't think of
another No 10 in the world who would've made that decision. It beggars
belief.
--
Cheers, Os
BrritSki
coffins for me :(
Andrew Dunford
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You've got to be joking.
Even if the kick went over, Wilkinson had just squandered an attacking
platform which England experienced very few times in the match. How is
"we're here now but we might be able to get down here again soon" a 50/50
situation?
I'm not anti drop-goals the way some here are, but that one was
indefensible. If you don't think your team can score a try, take the
penalty kick at goal when offered.
Andrew
Klitty
I'll assume that you are joking about Wilkinson.
He has been one of the highlights : not bad on the break, reasonable
distribution and ok kicking. Typically solid defence in the main. Not
back to his best but on the way. And, more importantly, there is no one
to replace him.
Klitty
I think he must have been.
To make those yards and then be in a position to score a try and instead
go for a hazardous drop goal is simply ridiculous. Lets put it down to
a brain fart on Wilkinson's part.
> Even if the kick went over, Wilkinson had just squandered an attacking
> platform which England experienced very few times in the match. How is
> "we're here now but we might be able to get down here again soon" a 50/50
> situation?
>
> I'm not anti drop-goals the way some here are, but that one was
> indefensible. If you don't think your team can score a try, take the
> penalty kick at goal when offered.
That was the main point. If you think 3 is enough then take the
penalty. Don't squander energy and time for the same later on.
viper
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What a load of 'hand me the kleenex' bullshit. There's nothing in the
article
that's offensive or smells of 'hating the All Blacks'. It's a pretty
accurate summary
of where England and the AB's are. I agree with Jones, extract Carter and
McCaw
and you pretty much have a bunch of journeymen, albeit technically good
journeymen, who don't shirk the task. And yes, I agree, that doesn't paint
the
Wallabies in an especially good light.
Your sensitivities are raised because he mentioned RWC and I can understand
why.
You'll be at home, not 20,000 kms away and with that will come an enormous
amount
of pressure. More pressure in fact than any AB team in history has endured.
There's
nowhere to hide. If the tournament were on tomorrow, you'd be dusted by both
the
French and the Boks. The NZ media have avoided discussing RWC 2011, as have
AB fans, You
are shitting your pants, because you don't want to think about the
humiliation that is more
than possible. 91,95.99,03,07 and 2011 ?
You have reason to be worried, there's no genuine stars on the horizon and
no guarantee
McCaw and Carter can hold their form for another two years.
Counselling might just help
Viper
Greig Blanchett
Well there's you sent home tae think again, TD.
Wait a minute ...
--
greig
Massive Gonads
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> What a load of 'hand me the kleenex' bullshit. There's nothing in the
Jeeeesus, did the Wallabies lose or something? Stick to leeg moron.
Massive Gonads
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/rugby_union/article6926712.ece
>
>
> I love it. Truly. It must be completely mind numbing and humiliating
> for him to commit his life's work to hating the All Blacks only to see
> them come into Twickers, play at 3/4 potential, and still make his
> country of choice's team look turgid. For the 8th time in a row. I
> almost feel sorry for him, I mean he obviously sold his emotional
> shares in his home country to support what he thought would be a
> winner and it's turned to ashes in his mouth. He has no fall back
> position left.
Nice rant, dances with wolves... but what makes you think Stephen Jones
wrote this article?
Ben L
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/rugby_union/article6926712.ece
>
> I love it. Truly. It must be completely mind numbing and humiliating
> for him to commit his life's work to hating the All Blacks only to see
> them come into Twickers, play at 3/4 potential, and still make his
> country of choice's team look turgid.
But was anything he wrote wrong? Regardless of his past orm, his
analysis seemed pretty spot on.
For an England side only a little better than the fairly useless mob
on show on Saturday, this was a gilt-edged chance to beat the weakest
All Black team to visit these shores in a pretty long time.
Alas, only the most optimistic England fan would have aspired to that
after the Australia game.
Neilsons
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run with players outside him in a very good attacking position. I still find
it hard to believe he thought the drop goal was the best option at that
point.
Chers, aMtt
viper
"Massive Gonads" <bha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Er, sorry Mr Shrinking Scrotum, the subject matter is the current crop of
AB's
and the inevitable disaster that will be RWC 2011. If you want to use a
smokescreen
such as the Wallabies, you might well read my posts about their performance
before
you make a goose of yourself. You never know, a bit of application and focus
and those
testicles might just descend, 'moron'
Viper
Massive Gonads
"viper" <vi...@rugby.com> wrote in message
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Listen here you stupid fucking westy.... The RWC is not even on my radar, it
is two whole seasons away.
By questioning if the Wallabies lost something I'm simply highlighting the
fact that your a sore loser, and part time one at that. Your recent rants
just make you look like a media grabbing lunatic, you have no idea. Fuck off
back to Penrith you ignorant piece of shit.
Klitty
Viper and mg. It's like Goose and Maverick all over again ....
"dong"...
Klitty
It might be the second line there after the title:
"Stephen Jones, rugby correspondent, at Twickenham"
BrritSki
he made a break or two in each game with some nice quick hands, but he
is far too predictable with his sidestep and is part of the problem of
creativity by standing far too deep and giving the defenders too much
time. That was less obvious when Care was on as his pass from the
ruck/maul/scrum is a split-secong delayed, but clear when Hodgson played.
His kicking from hand is a complete mess. A bit better on Saturday, but
he still lacked the confidence to go for the corner from far out a
couple of times.
Th DG attempt was the last straw given that he and presumably Borthwick
had turned down the much more likely 3 points from a penalty. As the
pair of them presumably decided to go for the try, it was completely
bizarre to then go for the DG when there were still attacking options. I
see you agree in the next post by calling it a brain-fart. We can't
afford those at this level.
We have no real idea if anyone can replace him apart from Goode thanks
to MFJ. I'd have liked to see Foden given a go against ARg. and if Cip
hadn't been dropped like a hot potato by eyebrows he might have
developed to the next stage by now. Or play Gerachty at 10. We need
someone else, because I doubt if JW will make it to NZ. Hope I'm wrong,
but I don't think he's going to repeat his 2003 successes in the middle
of this team.
Two Dogs
> "Two Dogs" <nzre...@aol.com> wrote in message
Probably the byline, which reads "Stephen Jones, Rugby
Correspondent, at Twickenham."
Two Dogs
Two Dogs
It was gratuitous All Black bashing, as always. By all means have at
your own team when they lose, and feel free to say this was a less
than stellar NZ rugby team, but it was typical of Jones's style that
he gets spiteful with the All Blacks at some stage of his column. He's
been at it for years, and it gets worse with every passing victory
over his adopted team.
TD
Two Dogs
> "Two Dogs" <nzre...@aol.com> wrote in message
What the hell the RWC has to do with Saturday's game will have to be
explained to me, probably by someone with a little more on the ball
than you. Feel free to help Jones drag it out and wave it around like
the afore mentioned bottle of holy water but it won't stop England
getting reamed by NZ over and over and over again, and for that matter
it won't win you a 3N title or the Bledisloe back. And it won't stop
me and other Kiwis enjoying the experience of beating you like a
rented mule at every turn.
Oh, wait, what was that? Australia lost this past weekend? To who?
Jeebus, sorry Vipes, I was out of line there, I didn't realise,
condolences to you and yours, if there's anything I can do...
Two Dogs
didgerman
One day you'll make it to a RWC final and all that will change.
Ben L
Well that's one way of looking at it. Another is a) the backhanded
compliment that a poor All Blacks that still beats England comfortably
at home is worthy of vitriol, rather than the high praise given to a
thin victory by Scotland over a very, very ropey Australia that
fluffed more opportunities than Matty at the Blue Oyster and b) that
if New Zealand were as crap as they were (which I think is a fair
point), England were truly dire (which they were) - part of Jones'
long running campaign to enact change at Twickenham in the management
team.
Brent Hadley
Jones' favourite pastime is fairly obviously trolling New Zealanders
with snide asides regarding their rugby team. I'm just puzzled why
anyone cares at this point.
Cheers
Brent
Two Dogs
Ticked that box thanks, a couple of times.
However it seemed to have very little effect on things, we still
keep beating England time after time after time...
Any other suggestions?
Two probably will be sorry he asked that question Dogs
Klitty
Haha. Nice one. Good retort. Come on Didge : up your game old son! This
is like watching Greeeg ream Maxxipad.
lord shineything
> On 22 Nov, 14:52, Two Dogs <nzre...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/rugby_union/article6926712.ece
>
> > I love it. Truly. It must be completely mind numbing and humiliating
> > for him to commit his life's work to hating the All Blacks only to see
> > them come into Twickers, play at 3/4 potential, and still make his
> > country of choice's team look turgid.
>
> But was anything he wrote wrong?
Lord Shiney wonders why anyone cares what Jones writes, but since you
ask this question Lord Shiney would offer as evidence the laughable
line:
"This was the least impressive, least dynamic and least effective New
Zealand team I have ever seen play at Twickenham."
Jones has obviously forgotten the B team Mitchell put on the park in
2002. Which seems surprising to Lord Shiney, since England won on
that occasion...
Klitty
You mean Howlett, Umaga, Spencer, Ali Williams, Lomu to name a few of
the dirt trackers to take the field? Yup. Awful.
Andrew Dunford
"Klitty" <mitt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The quality of that team was dubious, but I imagine Jones's point is that
they still had a cutting edge - scored four tries that day didn't they?
Jones has been watching rugby for a long time, which probably makes his
'least effective ever' comment an exaggeration, given the blunt edge
presented by NZ in the 1993 match or their ineffectual efforts in 1979 and
1983. But so what? It gets his point across.
I thought the article was fine. As Brent says, the writer is a troll and
remains extraordinarily effective at performing that task.
Andrew
viper
Two Dogs
I can't believe a country like NZ, given it's small population, can produce
as many
meatheads, who consistently demonstrate their stupidity on forums like this.
You'd think
just once in a blue moon one of these hamsters would actually read the
proposition
and responses, before launching off into lathered up rant.
Hey Two Doggies, read the fucking post in it's entirety and with some luck
and probably a large
wooden mallet, you might just see 'what the hell RWC has to do......'
Really expand your effort and you might pick up the fact that I have no
emotional baggage
from the Wallabies loss. I'd count myself as one of their and and the ARU's
critics.
Dingbat
Viper
viper
"Greig Blanchett" <gre...@nNzOrSfPu.AcMom> wrote in message
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Yeah, well I'd make that motely fucking crew known as the Wobblies
march all the way back here too.....
Viper
viper
No exactly, you and the other Kiwi boofheads would prefer it to be 10 years
away,
since there's no way you can turn it around in 2.
The delightful and indeed predictable thing about you Mr 12% is your
capacity to
produce meaningless noise. Is it possible that anyone in the history of rsru
has posted
so many words, yet displayed such a witheringly limited understanding of
Rugby ?
I doubt it very much. But then again every forum needs it's laughing stock.
I hope that insecurity complex stays with you for life, it's
nothing less than you deserve.
Massive Gonads indeed, I think it's called cellulitis Deryk.......lol
Viper
>
Two Dogs
I was right, we needed someone a little more on the ball than you to
explain what the hell the RWC has to do with last Saturday's game.
Two Dogs
viper
Two Dogs
From the Times article - 'I suspect that New Zealand will be 15 points
better against France in Marseilles next weekend but here they looked a
nation who could easily continue their woeful run in World Cups when they
host the competition in 2011.
If you took Richie McCaw out of their back row, you would have a back five
of nothing more than mediocrity at this level, and no team will ever deem
themselves without a chance against New Zealand should they be confronted by
the fragility of Jimmy Cowan at scrum-half'
You respond ' And as for hauling out the RWC and holding it up like a head
of
Garlic and a bottle of holy water, feel free Stephen, it won't change
what is happening to your team every time they play NZ'
Jones was perfectly entitled to make that observation and while it had
nought to do with stuffing England, one does not need permission to theorise
about the very real challenges that face the AB's over the next two years. I
have no such dilemmas with the Wallabies because the're fucked.
Viper
.
Neilsons
us "long suffering" AB supporters it is actually a little comforting to not
see them at the peak of their powers at this stage of the WC cycle. While I
don't subscribe to the WC being the holy grail it would be nice to win it
again - and I can assure you two years is plenty of time to turn things
around. Just looking at the fortunes of some of the previous WC winners a
couple of years out and the feeling is almost heartening!
Cheers, aMtt
BrritSki
...
> if New Zealand were as crap as they were (which I think is a fair
> point), England were truly dire (which they were) - part of Jones'
> long running campaign to enact change at Twickenham in the management
> team.
Surely that's why he was so pissed off, he wanted a thrashing by the ABs
to hasten the coaching setup's demise. :)
PS Just got our tickets for the 2010 St. Valentine's Day massacre in
Rome :)
Anyone else going ?
Ben L
<snip>
> PS Just got our tickets for the 2010 St. Valentine's Day massacre in
> Rome :)
> Anyone else going ?
I declined tickets - I looke at the airfares and it wasn't worth the
cost of the trip.
lord shineything
Lord Shiney thanks Klitty for proving his point - Williams in his
first year, Lomu sadly over-the-hill, Spencer and Umaga perenially-
overrated... does Lord Shiney need to go on? Everybody knew the 2002
team was rough at the time, and even with the benefit of hindsight, it
hardly bears comparison to a a team containing McCaw and Carter. But
if you and Jones think otherwise, that's fine by Lord Shiney.
didgerman
Yeah, I noticed that, History Channel HD, it's great.
>
> However it seemed to have very little effect on things, we still
> keep beating England time after time after time...
Sure you do, just a shame that McCaw chucked it forward for your first
try, thereby rendering the match void.
But O'Kaplan's wiki page is intact, you won't hear me bleating on about
it, holding enquiries and calling it bullshit, no Sir.....
>
> Any other suggestions?
Take up soccer?
>
> Two probably will be sorry he asked that question Dogs
See? You're not sorry are you.
Ben L
<snip>
Spencer and Umaga perenially-
> overrated...
Who perennially overrated Umaga and why?
Brent Hadley
Cantabs.
Because they're banjo plucking hillbillies.
Cheers
Brent
Ben L
You are Bobs and I claim my lifetime subscription to Big and Bouncy
Two Dogs
In the context of the meat of his article, dismal England, it's a sour
grapes observation at best, a tantrum at worst. That was my point.
By the way, how did it feel to construct a rational argument rather
than resort to insults? No pants shitting or Kleenex offering or
schadenfraude over a tournament no yet played. Nicely done, snake
lips, you stand as a shining example to Mr Jones..
TD
Myk Cameron
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*****
Jones is getting sloppy. The obvious anti-NZ troll this week would be to
point out that Samoa shouldn't feel too bad about their B team getting
beaten 43-5 by France, because the A team gets their chance this weekend.
Myk
Massive Generalisation
> No exactly, you and the other Kiwi boofheads would prefer it to be 10
> years away,
> since there's no way you can turn it around in 2.
Hardly, I'd rather my team win 90% of the time than lose 90% of the time.
If the All Blacks do win the RWC in 2011, what will you have? I can see it
now - the All Blacks can't win a RWC away from home. Fuck off leeg thug.
> The delightful and indeed predictable thing about you Mr 12% is your
> capacity to
> produce meaningless noise. Is it possible that anyone in the history of
> rsru has posted
> so many words, yet displayed such a witheringly limited understanding of
> Rugby ?
> I doubt it very much. But then again every forum needs it's laughing
> stock.
Therein lies the beauty, I don't give a fuck, you clearly do. I suggest you
fuck off back to your leeg group where you can be concerned of your online
presence, you fuggen westy loser.
> I hope that insecurity complex stays with you for life, it's
> nothing less than you deserve.
Pathetic, I love how you can diagnose me with an insecurity complex through
text posts, text posts that are clearly 95% troll. You're a deadshit, and
I'd bet my left testicle that I have it better than you.
> Massive Gonads indeed, I think it's called cellulitis Deryk.......lol
And you have children, fuck me.
> Viper
What the fuck is up with your formatting, do you
draft and paste later
or do you not know how to
use a
newsreader.
viper
"Massive Generalisation" <bha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "viper" <vi...@rugby.com> wrote in message
> news:4b0b1158$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>
>> "Massive Gonads" <bha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> No exactly, you and the other Kiwi boofheads would prefer it to be 10
>> years away,
>> since there's no way you can turn it around in 2.
>
> Hardly, I'd rather my team win 90% of the time than lose 90% of the time.
LOL, the National default position, if you can't win it, trivialise
it........
>
> If the All Blacks do win the RWC in 2011, what will you have? I can see it
> now - the All Blacks can't win a RWC away from home. Fuck off leeg thug.
'Fuck off leeg thug'........you still have nothing do you mr. unproductive
testes ?
>
>> The delightful and indeed predictable thing about you Mr 12% is your
>> capacity to
>> produce meaningless noise. Is it possible that anyone in the history of
>> rsru has posted
>> so many words, yet displayed such a witheringly limited understanding of
>> Rugby ?
>> I doubt it very much. But then again every forum needs it's laughing
>> stock.
>
> Therein lies the beauty, I don't give a fuck, you clearly do. I suggest
> you fuck off back to your leeg group where you can be concerned of your
> online presence, you fuggen westy loser.
You don't , I do ? Suggest you do a quick count of our respective post
totals.
You very much 'do' dopey, you really do....jeez that glass chin must be
sore,
you tend to lead with it constantly...
>
>> I hope that insecurity complex stays with you for life, it's
>> nothing less than you deserve.
>
> Pathetic, I love how you can diagnose me with an insecurity complex
> through text posts, text posts that are clearly 95% troll. You're a
> deadshit, and I'd bet my left testicle that I have it better than you.
Boo hoo darling, soft as butter, weak as piss. 'I have it better than you'
lol
>
>> Massive Gonads indeed, I think it's called cellulitis Deryk.......lol
>
> And you have children, fuck me.
>
>> Viper
>
> What the fuck is up with your formatting, do you
> draft and paste later
> or do you not know how to
> use a
> newsreader.
That's as good as it'll get from you mr lightweight and it should
come as no surprise that you cover your shallow understanding
of Rugby with a formatting complaint.
Still dying to know if your dad is still in witness protection....lol
Viper
didgerman
Think I got through half a paragraph once, haven't been back since.
>
> Cheers
>
> Brent