Lets wait and see, my guess is he'll get a week, as the judiciary will
need to be seen to do something to punish those bad bad men in black.
Cheers
Stephen
"northshoreguynz" <northsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10608163
>
> Lets wait and see, my guess is he'll get a week, as the judiciary will
> need to be seen to do something to punish those bad bad men in black.
The only fair outcome would be to award the match to Wales.
Andrew
Carter probably wasn't going to be picked against Italy so no big deal
as far as I'm concerned.
Carter caught him high but it wasn't vicious. Penalty yes, suspension IMHO
no.
Yes its about time Dan Carter was cited. He is a really dirty bastard
and has been getting away with it for years. If he wasnt an All
Blackhe would probably have been banned for life by now.
Dirty rotten cheating bastard!
Lew
Further to my comment may I cite Law 10 e, doesn't matter where the tackle
starts
A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of
the shoulders even
if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the
opponent's neck or
head is dangerous play.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
Lew
Right-on Lew and another beef by me ...
I am sick and tired of watching him kick those bloody goals etc. I would
rather see 'the game' being played - and fuck the stoppages.
It was meant to be a running passing game not oneof watching bloody goal
kicking [aka football].
Wonder why they didn't cite that lose forward prick who tried to take
Carters head off early in the game - he missed - but the Gatlin intent
was there.
I don't have a problem with him being cited. It was high so there's a
case to answer. I think we're all of the understanding he was going to
have a rest in the Italy match anyway, but for consistency sake I
can't see him being suspended.
As Roberts said; "Looking at the replay it did look quite high. He did
apologise to me. He said 'sorry for the tackle' after the game".
"Things like that happen in games, and you just have to take it on the
chin. It looked bad, but I was fine.
"Everyone has got their views and opinions, but as a player you just
get on with it. The referee makes decisions."
On the first viewing, it just looked like an awesome cover tackle.
Given Robert's comments and the fact he wasn't injured I doubt Carter
will be suspended. Then we can wait for the screaming from Wales to
reach fever pitch. To even suggest Joubert should've sent him off and
by not doing so cost Wales a victory is the utmost in lunacy. The TMO
kept Wales in the game.
I don't have a problem with him being cited. It was high so there's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I hear the person hearing the case is English - what's the chances of 2
weeks??
Cheers, aMtt
There is no way that was worthy of citing, it's not Tiddlywinks, FFS!
Wails Wails Wails...
--
$ cat /dev/null > foo.mg
Yeah I saw that as well, although I thought it was the prop (number 1),
either way it was off the ball and full of malice.
Nasty thought, but do they hate the Welsh enough to make it zero weeks
just to piss them off?
Looked more clumsy than malicious however it was definitely high.
Perhaps we'll see some Justice4Danny armbands next week.
Mike
"There is no way that was worthy of citing..." wails mg.
Mike
After all, they had to play against 15 men after that incident!
Isn't this always the attitude when AB's are pinged for foul play?
Simon Shaw once knelt on an AB and you all went ballistic, two of your
players tried to smash O'Driscoll's shoulder and nothing happened.....
Fanboys, the fucking lot of you.
I'd love to see Carter turn up at Twickers, I thought he was crap.
Good response Didge, and right on the button.
Ugh! It's Monday! ;o(
This seems to be a thread chiefly for kiwis to whinge about the
outcomer of a process that hasn't yet begun. Hilarious.
Agreed 100% with all that. If he's suspended it will be a travesty.
I hope he plays, but whether he does or not won't make any difference :(
He could have died.
Fuck you're a lamer Longman, stick to threads about England... oh dam, there
isn't any.
Paste, hilarious.
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Actually it's complete trolling bullshit but by all means jump on the
bandwagon if you so wish.
Andrew
That is not the spirit Brittski, we wouldn't have got far at Dunkirk
with that kind of attitude would we.
Actually, it was you Poms who went ballistic about Shaw being sent
off. The Kiwis merely pointed out why it was a red card.
As for the BOD incident; again it was the Kiwis providing clarity to
the hysterical claims about spear tackles and deliberate, pre-
meditated actions. I also recall most stating they agreed both Umaga
and Mealamu should have been cited, but the South African citing
commissioner decided otherwise.
Nice try but. C-.
I am deeply indebted to you once again for your generous and utterly
unbiased indulgence.
It really is laughable, the froth that has been worked up over an
incident which has not even been elevated for adjudication.
You read what you want to read. Seems to me the regular Kiwi posters
are conceding he ended high, he'll cop a week.
--
greig
Regular or sane? They're not the same group.
Anyways, from what I saw it was a clear penalty and anything more is a
waste of time - nobody thinks it was malicious, it wasn't especially
dangerous. Waste of time.
Maybe he will, but it'll be a ridiculous ruling if so.
Well, Matthew, there are threads about England. I appreciate that your
bedtime activities may have left you a little blind, but they are
definitely there. And a dam is what you use to stop water flowing.
"Ben L" <bjlo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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oh nose, a grammer flame. Fuggen losers, the lot of ya.
Schaulk Berger anyone? Anyone.....?
The whine from Berger not getting sent off and "costing the Lions
the game" because they faced 15 instead if 14 for the entire game
still echoes around these hallowed halls. Now someone else not getting
sent off has "cost us the game" again. The song remains the same.
You do know that a) you need to win ON the field and b) you need to
score tries rather than hope someone gets sent off?
Just asking...
Two Dogs
iirc we DIDN'T get very far at Dunkerque...
And the officials later pointed out why it wasn't, but let's keep it
real eh?
>
> As for the BOD incident; again it was the Kiwis providing clarity to
> the hysterical claims about spear tackles and deliberate, pre-
> meditated actions. I also recall most stating they agreed both Umaga
> and Mealamu should have been cited, but the South African citing
> commissioner decided otherwise.
Funny, I recall most of you saying it was nothing. The game wasn't
tiddlywinks....?
>
> Nice try but. C-.
Yeah well, I'm not seeing you after class.
Matthew, there's no point in affecting being a bogan. Perhaps Matty
has dragged you down, but we are convinced and I think the kiwis here
are happy to admit you're a little plastic Aussie now.
Of course it would be ridiculous, but once something hits the citing
process, the result will always be whatever is the opposite of
sensible. It's practically a Law.
--
greig
Yes and exactly the point I have been making about citing and judicial
consistency
Whatever happens
* We would have seen worse incidents than the Carter high tackle *not*
even attract a citing
* We would have seen milder incidents than the Carter tackle attract a
tougher sentence than whatever Carter gets
Tackle and breakdown. The application is totally inconsistent.
Supporters from all sides claim that they are done in to a greater
degree than others.
I blame the process and not the bias of the Citing and Judicial
Officers
With modern technology a common panel (or a couple of panels) could
review incidents collaboratively and be more consistent.
Your memory is faulty, then.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10608340
A totally biased viewpoint of course, but possibly valid anyway?
Cheers
Stephen
See how clever mg is, he tries to deflect attention from a schoolgirl
error with three deliberate 'errors'.
Genius like this can only come from a top notch sysadmin on top of his
game, almost had me fooled.
Mike
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We worship at the feet of the master.
Andrew
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The bit that is valid is what I pointed out here yesterday: that the citing
officer must deem the offence to have been worthy of a red card in order to
cite the player, and the notion that Carter's tackle could have been worth a
red card is risible.
Apart from that, I'm embarrassed to have read the article, especially the
strong implication that an Englishman shouldn't be hearing the case. It is
only a week since two cited All Blacks were judged by the brother of the
chairman of the NZRU.
Andrew
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I can't speak for others but my initial contribution to this thread was a
response to the ridiculous whining emanating from the Wales coaching bench.
As for "elevated for adjudication", an adjudication has already taken place.
As per regulation 17.6.2 the citing commissioner has already judged Carter's
tackle to have "warranted the Player concerned being Ordered Off".
Andrew
LOL
actually it is a spelling flame
Which officials?
> > As for the BOD incident; again it was the Kiwis providing clarity to
> > the hysterical claims about spear tackles and deliberate, pre-
> > meditated actions. I also recall most stating they agreed both Umaga
> > and Mealamu should have been cited, but the South African citing
> > commissioner decided otherwise.
>
> Funny, I recall most of you saying it was nothing.
Then your memory is faulty.
"JD" <_antip...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 9, 11:50 pm, didgerman <didger...@rfu.com> wrote:
>> JD wrote:
>> > On Nov 9, 8:18 pm, didgerman <didger...@rfu.com> wrote:
>> >> Andrew Dunford wrote:
>>
>> >>> "northshoreguynz" <northshoregu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:bf3d050e-a1cd-4a05...@12g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=1060...
>> >>>> Lets wait and see, my guess is he'll get a week, as the judiciary
>> >>>> will
>> >>>> need to be seen to do something to punish those bad bad men in
>> >>>> black.
>> >>> The only fair outcome would be to award the match to Wales.
>> >>> Andrew
>> >> Isn't this always the attitude when AB's are pinged for foul play?
>> >> Simon Shaw once knelt on an AB and you all went ballistic, two of your
>> >> players tried to smash O'Driscoll's shoulder and nothing happened.....
>> >> Fanboys, the fucking lot of you.
>>
>> > Actually, it was you Poms who went ballistic about Shaw being sent
>> > off. The Kiwis merely pointed out why it was a red card.
>>
>> And the officials later pointed out why it wasn't, but let's keep it
>> real eh?
>
> Which officials?
The red card was rescinded after the match owing to an unauthorised
intervention by the television match official. Which of course is not the
same thing as saying that Shaw didn't commit a red card offence, but let's
not let facts get in the way.
Andrew
(snipped)
>
> Isn't this always the attitude when AB's are pinged for foul play?
> Simon Shaw once knelt on an AB and you all went ballistic, two of your
> players tried to smash O'Driscoll's shoulder and nothing happened.....
> Fanboys, the fucking lot of you.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
grant.
---
Spooky.
Precisely.
>> > Well, Matthew, there are threads about England. I appreciate that your
>> > bedtime activities may have left you a little blind, but they are
>> > definitely there. And a dam is what you use to stop water flowing.
>>
>> oh nose, a grammer flame. Fuggen losers, the lot of ya.
>
> Matthew, there's no point in affecting being a bogan. Perhaps Matty
> has dragged you down, but we are convinced and I think the kiwis here
> are happy to admit you're a little plastic Aussie now.
I'm also happy to admit that I'm a little plastic Aussie, I've called
Australia home for 23 of my 31 years... go figure, you ignorant waste of
flesh.
As laughable as the froth worked up over an incident where an English 10
never got to adjudication last year?
Cheers, aMtt
Cheers, aMtt
Spooky, or they're the same person, and their memory is faulty.
The Devil you say!
The buggers!
>
>As for "elevated for adjudication", an adjudication has already taken place.
>As per regulation 17.6.2 the citing commissioner has already judged Carter's
>tackle to have "warranted the Player concerned being Ordered Off".
I appear to have been overtaken by events and therefore, under the
circumstances, offer my apologies for this ill-informed lapse.
Why, how rude. And then I remembered it's nothing personal - that
anything with a pulse and a rectum that is unavailable to you is a
"waste of flesh".
I was tempted to point that out, but it's a cause that is lost. The
boy's as thick as shit.
As spaken, so came to pass. What a joke this sport is becoming.
Yes, unfortunately, ever since Lord Clive of Whingingham and his Court
Jester Ali Campbell in 2005, too many teams are trying to win
advantage off the field rather than on it. This was a Kow Tow to the
off the field noise, plain and simple.
Break out the armbands- "Hey IRB, I'd like the week off to sight see
Milan as well please"
Two Dogs
> didgerman wrote:
>> BrritSki wrote:
>>> didgerman wrote:
>>>> JohnO wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 9, 5:11 pm, "Neilsons" <matt.neil...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>> "JohnO" <johno1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> news:4787527e-7a61-4eba...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 9, 11:30 am, northshoreguynz <northshoregu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=1060...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets wait and see, my guess is he'll get a week, as the judiciary
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> need to be seen to do something to punish those bad bad men in black.
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>> Carter probably wasn't going to be picked against Italy so no big deal
>>>>>> as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hear the person hearing the case is English - what's the chances
>>>>>> of 2
>>>>>> weeks??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers, aMtt
>>>>>
>>>>> Nasty thought, but do they hate the Welsh enough to make it zero weeks
>>>>> just to piss them off?
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to see Carter turn up at Twickers, I thought he was crap.
>>>
>>> I hope he plays, but whether he does or not won't make any difference :(
>>
>> That is not the spirit Brittski, we wouldn't have got far at Dunkirk
>> with that kind of attitude would we.
>
> iirc we DIDN'T get very far at Dunkerque...
>
*snigger*
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> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 03:57:20 -0800 (PST), "Mark (newsgroups)"
> <marknew...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 9, 11:50 am, Greig Blanchett <gre...@nNzOrSfPu.AcMom> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 02:01:55 -0800 (PST), Ben L <bjlong...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 8 Nov, 22:30, northshoreguynz <northshoregu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=1060...
>>>
>>> >> Lets wait and see, my guess is he'll get a week, as the judiciary will
>>> >> need to be seen to do something to punish those bad bad men in black.
>>>
>>> >> Cheers
>>> >> Stephen
>>>
>>> >This seems to be a thread chiefly for kiwis to whinge about the
>>> >outcomer of a process that hasn't yet begun. Hilarious.
>>>
>>> You read what you want to read. Seems to me the regular Kiwi posters
>>> are conceding he ended high, he'll cop a week.
>>
>>Maybe he will, but it'll be a ridiculous ruling if so.
>
> Of course it would be ridiculous, but once something hits the citing
> process, the result will always be whatever is the opposite of
> sensible. It's practically a Law.
>
There's a lot of hot air about how the tackle "ends up".
The simple fact that even the biggest fanboi/AB hater should be able to
determine is that Carter did not go into that with malice
aforethought. The midget ducked into it and it slid up a bit. At no
point did Carter take him on the neck.
Nothing to answer.
But of course they suspended him for Italy so he can rest his calf some
more and appease the Boyos who would surely have won otherwise ... :-;
I think you've all been whooshed, I prescribe more coffee and fewer
vitamin ills.
>
>
You were doing ok til then. I was sniggering because of the first whoosh
...
I've whooshed myself?
Brittski you simpleton bastard, ah my world my world, I'm melting......
Sez Klotty....
>> ...
>
> I've whooshed myself?
> Brittski you simpleton bastard, ah my world my world, I'm melting......
>
Just making the joke clear for some of our overseas brethren.
(If we're going for lame excuses that's my offering).