WE DONT NEED OUTSIDERS TO ATTACK US
Will S
MONDAY MAUL
The Wallabies are not just the laughing stock of Australian sport. They are
also the laughing stock of the international rugby world after suffering
their worst loss in decades. This defeat was not as bad as being beaten by
Tonga in 1973 but it's not far off.
To think that just over a week ago this group of players seriously thought
they were going to emulate the feats of the 1984 Wallabies by completing a
grand slam. More like a grand sham after they allowed a second-rate rugby
team, which had no imagination and did little more than tackle for 80
minutes, to beat them for the first time in 27 years and 17 encounters.
Depressing as it may be when the Wallabies get belted by New Zealand and
South Africa, at least their opponents are usually formidable. When the
Wallabies give up, as they did in Wellington, it is hard for the fans to
cop.
But getting beaten by Scotland? That is unforgivable. The Scots have done
nothing in the Six Nations for ages and are rightfully ranked a lowly ninth
in the IRB world rankings. They are little more than a bunch of scrappers
who haven't a clue about how to score a try against a good team.
In the end, it was probably for the better that Australia did not emulate
the grand slam feats of the 1984 Wallabies, because this crop is vastly
inferior to that mighty side. And to think that magical bunch did it all for
nothing and this mob of perennial losers are among Australian football's
highest-paid players?
It begs the question of whether the Australian Rugby Union, which has an
annual player salary bill of $27 million, is getting value for money?
Hardly. The Wallabies struggle to score tries. They struggle to kick goals.
They struggle to win games. What do they do? Not much really - the bulk of
these players have won absolutely nothing of note in their international
careers.
Most disconcerting is that Australia's highest-paid player and chief
playmaker, Matt Giteau, had the chance to establish himself as the king dog
on Saturday. He fell way short of the mark. He failed to provide midfield
leadership, he kicked abominably at goal and took poor options. His ability
to handle pressure must be seriously questioned.
Don't forget this is the same side that demanded to be paid for a pre-tour
intra-squad trial match; the same bunch who had their noses out of joint
when this column recommended that their pay structure be changed, suggesting
a bonus scheme that rewarded them for victories and docked their wages for
losses.
And what else can coach Robbie Deans do? He's tried everything. He's given
so many players so many chances and they continue to waste their
opportunities. Not even Vince Lombardi could get this mob up.
Undoubtedly, the calls will be made for Deans to move on. But, seriously,
who is out there to replace him? No one. As with the players, the Australian
coaching cupboard is near bare. The problem is not with the head coach, it
is with the players.
Their skill level is uninspiring. They cannot back up. They have a losing
mentality. They are lazy. And deep down they know they can get away with
unacceptable performances, because player depth is so poor.
Forget feeling sorry for the players. They get paid big money. The quicker
the ARU brings in a win-loss salary system for the Wallabies the better.
Then, and only then, will the magnitude of Saturday's loss at Murrayfield
really hit home to the players.
Spizz
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> MONDAY MAUL
>
> The Wallabies are not just the laughing stock of Australian sport. They
> are also the laughing stock of the international rugby world after
> suffering their worst loss in decades. This defeat was not as bad as being
> beaten by Tonga in 1973 but it's not far off.
>
> To think that just over a week ago this group of players seriously thought
> they were going to emulate the feats of the 1984 Wallabies by completing a
> grand slam. More like a grand sham after they allowed a second-rate rugby
> team, which had no imagination and did little more than tackle for 80
> minutes, to beat them for the first time in 27 years and 17 encounters.
>
> Depressing as it may be when the Wallabies get belted by New Zealand and
> South Africa, at least their opponents are usually formidable. When the
> Wallabies give up, as they did in Wellington, it is hard for the fans to
> cop.
>
> But getting beaten by Scotland? That is unforgivable. The Scots have done
> nothing in the Six Nations for ages and are rightfully ranked a lowly
> ninth in the IRB world rankings. They are little more than a bunch of
> scrappers who haven't a clue about how to score a try against a good team.
>
<enough already>
It must be an amazing feeling to think you are the centre of the Universe.
That you just need to turn up and win. Well you don't, it's just been
proved. And just as your teams fortunes change on a regular basis, so do
your opponents. Again we see how so called experts judge on past results,
'experts' who don't actually watch many games that don't involve your team.
Scotland are ninth in the rankings, therefore we will beat them because we
are third. Never mind the changing team dynamic, i.e. the new coach, new
captain, new players, the relative success of the club sides, some very
close games and a couple of good victories this last year or so. No, we are
third, they are ninth so we should win. It's always been that way and it
always should be.
So where does the 'rightfully ranked a lowly ninth' come about? Has Mr
Expert analysed Scotland over the last year? He must have, because they are
'rightfully' ninth in the standings. But he fucking never. This muppet is
little more than a blowhard fanboy, lamenting Australia's failure to beat a
team on the rise and failing to recognise that there are 30 players on the
pitch at anyone time, and half of them are from the opposition.
Remember what I said on Saturday morning 'But just remember, when we beat
the Aussies, it's going to be about how well we played, and not how poorly
they did.
Surprise, surprise.
Spizz
didgerman
I know it was a good win, but isn't it about time you sobered up? You're
ninth, know your place......
hmmm, should possibly insert sarcasm smiley here.
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Massive Gonads
"Spizz" <y...@okay.com> wrote in message
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It's good to see you've dropped your spear for your kilt, Spazz... I have to
ask, have you named the bandwagon yet and what colour is your horse?
Spizz
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lol. The Scotland bandwagon (a second world war Bedford truck, not a horse,
army green in colour) has always had a couple of flat tyres and at least one
shoogly wheel. Not very appealing to most. Supporting Scotland is something
you are born with, but nonetheless, it is a burden we carry with happy
hearts all the same. Anyway, the bandwagon has a big padlock on the back
door because the last person to jump on it was Rod Stewart, just before the
football world cup in Germany 1974.
Spizz
Spizz
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Sorry sir, please may I have another...
Spizz
didgerman
Did he just ask you to drop your kilt?
Herman van Rumpy
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but the biggest fall from grace is SA, then Oz, then Wales
Road_Hog
There you go Spizz.
Road_Hog
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Yeah, righty oh Newport you faggot, I see England are doing great at the
moment. Get back to exercising your wrist.
Klitty
> http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/news/the-buck-should-stop-here-cease-paying-the-wallabies-for-losing/2009/11/22/1258824627825.html
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> MONDAY MAUL
>
> The Wallabies are not just the laughing stock of Australian sport. They are
> also the laughing stock of the international rugby world after suffering
> their worst loss in decades. This defeat was not as bad as being beaten by
> Tonga in 1973 but it's not far off.
>
> To think that just over a week ago this group of players seriously thought
> they were going to emulate the feats of the 1984 Wallabies by completing a
> grand slam. More like a grand sham after they allowed a second-rate rugby
> team, which had no imagination and did little more than tackle for 80
> minutes, to beat them for the first time in 27 years and 17 encounters.
>
> Depressing as it may be when the Wallabies get belted by New Zealand and
> South Africa, at least their opponents are usually formidable. When the
> Wallabies give up, as they did in Wellington, it is hard for the fans to
> cop.
>
> But getting beaten by Scotland? That is unforgivable. The Scots have done
> nothing in the Six Nations for ages and are rightfully ranked a lowly ninth
> in the IRB world rankings. They are little more than a bunch of scrappers
> who haven't a clue about how to score a try against a good team.
LOL. Talk about dissing the opponent. But we do have to agree with
Chucky : Aus lost it rather than Scotland winning it.
And they didn't play so badly. They could and should have won by a
comfortable margin but for bad luck and a good defense from the Jocks.
Klitty
Massive Gonads
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> Yeah, righty oh Newport you faggot, I see England are doing great at the
> moment. Get back to exercising your wrist.
lol, Wails are ranked two lower than England... got perspective?
And at least Newport has some testicles, you cut yours out long ago. Go play
a minnow, or something.
Road_Hog
Listen here you plastic Aussie knob jockey, I see your team lost on
Saturday. As for rankings, take a look at Midday when they're updated with
Saturday's results and then come back and tell me England are two places
above Wales.
Spizz
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Ahhhh, what a goal. The game was played on my 12th birthday, and the memory
has lasted longer than my Action Man with eagle eyes.
Spizz
Spizz
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I did! Bless his cotton socks.
Spizz
Massive Gonads
No, my team has the winningest margin over everyone, everyone. The last time
Wails beat the All Blacks you were no more than a horny thought.
I was born in New Zealand and my great grandfather was a 1905 original... He
was in the team that started the "All Blacks" ... You on the other hand
support Wails and everything you post is humorous to me, keep it coming.
Klitty
England did not go to that WC and we all supported Scotland. We were
young and naive and thought the UK was one big happy family of course! I
was 11. Played in goal in the playground knock abouts as Alan Rough. Ye
gods.
What a goal. Funny though - looking at it now, it's not quite as great
as it seemed on that steamy night way back when ...
Spizz
I remember the euphoria, and the fallout, quite well. But for most Scots,
the blame still lies fairly and squarely on Alan Rough's perm.
But yes, we had a sprinkling of world class players through the side.
Dalgleish, Gemmell, Souness, Jordan and Rioch. We actually thought we could
win it, and the slow start notwithstanding, proved we had a great team by
beating eventual finalists Holland.
Spizz
Klitty
Did you buy the single?
Joe Jordan. Now there was the Martin Johnson soccer equivalent.
Spizz
Errr, at the risk of incriminating myself, I'll take the 'fifth' on that
one, thank you.
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> Joe Jordan. Now there was the Martin Johnson soccer equivalent.
lol, but with less teeth.
Spizz
Klitty
> "Klitty" <mitt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Did you buy the single?
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> Errr, at the risk of incriminating myself, I'll take the 'fifth' on that
> one, thank you.
3:31 into this :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v85YNLnSkKE
Ye gods.
Talk about "Comedy Jock". Shiver.
Klitty
ps :- I don't ever remember Suzi Quattro looking as young as that. She
might have been a target for one of Will's relatives (:-))....
Greig Blanchett
I know of what you speak. I myself am a North Harbour fan.
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greig
northshoreguynz
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:09:57 -0000, "Spizz" <y...@okay.com> wrote:
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> >>> "Will S" <wi...@nomail.com.au> wrote in message
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Have faith Greig, we North Harbour supporters only have to look at
Spurs to see what is possible. Flash and dash sometimes does bring
rewards.
Cheers
Stephen
Ian Jennings
I don't think the SA results reveal any deep malaise. SA have always
struggled on EOYTs, and I don't think even Two Dogs would argue that
this tour shows that the Boks' form early this year was misleading in
some way.
Ian
Two Dogs
Not to you,Ian. The All Blacks seem to be the only ones who travel
to Europe particularly well and the SA team earlier this year looked
very good. But I'm sure it must be frustrating for them to not be able
to be consistent over a longer period of time.
Two Dogs
Ian Jennings
No arguments there. But I put it down to political and administrative
turmoil more than anything else, and, seeing I don't see that going
away any time soon, I'm pretty much resigned to the inconsistency.
Given the numbers, the passion, and the talent in SA, we should be the
equals of, if not the superiors of, the All Blacks in terms of long-
term consistency (God knows we were for a very long time). But I doubt
whether the positive aspects of SA rugby will ever win out over the
negatives again, especially given the new and added complication of
the temptations dangled by the NH clubs. (Mind you, this development
is as troubling for NZ as it is for SA).
On another tack, should France win on Saturday, we might have to
recognise them as the real team of 2009, huh? Still, my money's on the
ABs.
Ian
JD
> On another tack, should France win on Saturday, we might have to
> recognise them as the real team of 2009, huh? Still, my money's on the
> ABs.
Not me. France have been the most consistent out of the big teams this
year. The All Blacks haven't looked like they're improving from one
match to the next in all aspects and I think it will take a complete
game this weekend to defeat the frogs!
Kev or lou
"Ian Jennings" <idjen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 23, 6:24 am, Herman van Rumpy <michaelnewp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 8:46 am, "Will S" <wi...@nomail.com.au>
> > quicker
> > the ARU brings in a win-loss salary system for the Wallabies the better.
> > Then, and only then, will the magnitude of Saturday's loss at
> > Murrayfield
> > really hit home to the players.
>
> but the biggest fall from grace is SA, then Oz, then Wales
>I don't think the SA results reveal any deep malaise. SA >have always
>struggled on EOYTs, and I don't think even Two Dogs >would argue that
>this tour shows that the Boks' form early this year was >some way.
>Ian
I think they reveal how much the boks put in to first win the Lions series
and then the tri nations.
Ally that to teams working out how to counter the boks one dimensinonal
tactics and they just don't look so good.
The most worrying for SA's I would have thought is their increasing lack of
depth.
Ian Jennings
Ahem, to play the fanboi for a moment...I see no reason to rank the
Frenchies consistency above that of the Boks this year. A walloping
from the Wallabies in June, remember?
Ian
Ian Jennings
> "Ian Jennings" <idjenni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 23, 6:24 am, Herman van Rumpy <michaelnewp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Nov 23, 8:46 am, "Will S" <wi...@nomail.com.au>
> > > Forget feeling sorry for the players. They get paid big money. The
> > > quicker
> > > the ARU brings in a win-loss salary system for the Wallabies the better.
> > > Then, and only then, will the magnitude of Saturday's loss at
> > > Murrayfield
> > > really hit home to the players.
>
> > but the biggest fall from grace is SA, then Oz, then Wales
> >I don't think the SA results reveal any deep malaise. SA >have always
> >struggled on EOYTs, and I don't think even Two Dogs >would argue that
> >this tour shows that the Boks' form early this year was >some way.
> >Ian
>
> I think they reveal how much the boks put in to first win the Lions series
> and then the tri nations.
No doubt it did cost them a lot, but then they've always struggled on
these tours anyway, and haven't beaten France away for about a decade,
I think. Even if they lose to Ireland (as long as it's not by a lot),
it won't be their worst EOYT for the past few years (ignoring the club
defeats, which I think ought to be ignored).
> Ally that to teams working out how to counter the boks one dimensinonal
> tactics and they just don't look so good.
>
> The most worrying for SA's I would have thought is their increasing lack of
> depth.
Even there I'm not entirely convinced that lack of depth is the issue.
The second-string Boks don't strike too many South Africans as the
second-best set of players in SA - and it's by no means all to do with
quotas. Of course the consistent failure to pick teams properly is
worrying, as you say.
Ian
Andrew Dunford
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Ah yes France, with their magnificent 2009 record of played ten, won six
lost four.
Andrew
Matua
Jesus!!! why don't you two tail end gunners get a room ?
SHUSSBAR
>
> On another tack, should France win on Saturday, we might have to
> recognise them as the real team of 2009, huh? Still, my money's on the
> ABs.
>
> Ian
No no no. Team is still in progress. Dont give them this idea . SA is
# 1 and AB will get a W in Paris tomorrow. Just want to see a good game
Andrew Dunford
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Even if France had won on the weekend, surely the most consistent team in
2009 was the unbeaten Ireland.
Andrew
JD
> "JD" <_antipode...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
Yes, well... I did say "big teams".
Andrew Dunford
"JD" <_antip...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Ah, now I understand. A team needs to lose several matches to become "big".
Andrew
didgerman
Yes, beating SA three times in a row means you're a small team compared
to a side that loses three in a row to the same. Mad.....
Herman van Rumpy (President)
> "Herman van Rumpy" <michaelnewp...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:92d8ded6-ad37-4aac...@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 23, 8:46 am, "Will S" <wi...@nomail.com.au> wrote:
>
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> >http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/news/the-buck-should-stop-here-cea...
>
> > MONDAY MAUL
>
> > The Wallabies are not just the laughing stock of Australian sport. They
> > are
> > also the laughing stock of the international rugby world after suffering
> > their worst loss in decades. This defeat was not as bad as being beaten by
> > Tonga in 1973 but it's not far off.
>
> > To think that just over a week ago this group of players seriously thought
> > they were going to emulate the feats of the 1984 Wallabies by completing a
> > grand slam. More like a grand sham after they allowed a second-rate rugby
> > team, which had no imagination and did little more than tackle for 80
> > minutes, to beat them for the first time in 27 years and 17 encounters.
>
> > Depressing as it may be when the Wallabies get belted by New Zealand and
> > South Africa, at least their opponents are usually formidable. When the
> > Wallabies give up, as they did in Wellington, it is hard for the fans to
> > cop.
>
> > But getting beaten by Scotland? That is unforgivable. The Scots have done
> > nothing in the Six Nations for ages and are rightfully ranked a lowly
> > ninth
> > in the IRB world rankings. They are little more than a bunch of scrappers
> > who haven't a clue about how to score a try against a good team.
>
> > the ARU brings in a win-loss salary system for the Wallabies the better.
> > Then, and only then, will the magnitude of Saturday's loss at Murrayfield
> > really hit home to the players.
>
> but the biggest fall from grace is SA, then Oz, then Wales
>
>
> Yeah, righty oh Newport you faggot, I see England are doing great at the
> moment. Get back to exercising your wrist.
Wails I tell you!!
Calvin
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> "JD" <_antip...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>>> Even if France had won on the weekend, surely the most consistent team
>>> in
>>> 2009 was the unbeaten Ireland.
>>
>> Yes, well... I did say "big teams".
>
> Ah, now I understand. A team needs to lose several matches to become
> "big".
Clarification - it has to be a beaten favourite several times.
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cheers,
calvin